Ask for a little room in the price in a nice way and see how much more successful you become.
This is directed to anyone who tries to outthink the seller. The seller sets the rules, never the buyer. Unless the buyer and seller are known to each other, just play nice.
I think this is the most topics discussed in one thread ever! No biggie.
Youngcoin15 has now contacted me thru email after I was able to talk to a couple of his relatives. I think they then got a hold of him. Bottom line is he forgot about our deal. He said he will have to try to buy a roll of ASE and get them shipped to me. He said there is someone else here on the boards that he owes ASE roll(s) to as well. Not sure who. He stated he had no intentions of stiffing me or the other person.
He sounds grossly irresponsible. He's on my list of people to never do business with.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I give the guy the benefit of the doubt, to some degree. Maybe he has ALOT going on...none of know unless we personally know the guy. Having a more than full time job myself, participating in family activites and functions (not complaining, it's all a blessing to me)...and keeping up with all that is going on here on a daily basis has been challenging at times for me, BUT, and I cant stress this enough, BUT when I have deals going on thru here or other sites, I follow them thru to the end, even if that means me not getting enough sleep as I should. Fortunately, I haven't had anything close to something like what YoungCoin has done happen to me, and rest assured, I will not let it happen to any buyer I'm dealing with. It is my responsibility and duty to help my buyer with as much as I possibly can in the event of a lost package or something like that. Forgetting about a deal is about the lamest excuse I've heard, and that's coming from someone who can sympathize with being bogged down, if that is the case with him.
To forgive is to free a prisoner, and to discover that prisoner was you.
<< <i>I think this is the most topics discussed in one thread ever! No biggie.
Youngcoin15 has now contacted me thru email after I was able to talk to a couple of his relatives. I think they then got a hold of him. Bottom line is he forgot about our deal. He said he will have to try to buy a roll of ASE and get them shipped to me. He said there is someone else here on the boards that he owes ASE roll(s) to as well. Not sure who. He stated he had no intentions of stiffing me or the other person.
Time will tell if they show up.
Thanks,
Bstat >>
Why not just refund the money and be done with it assuming that could happen ?
<< <i>I think this is the most topics discussed in one thread ever! No biggie.
Youngcoin15 has now contacted me thru email after I was able to talk to a couple of his relatives. I think they then got a hold of him. Bottom line is he forgot about our deal. He said he will have to try to buy a roll of ASE and get them shipped to me. He said there is someone else here on the boards that he owes ASE roll(s) to as well. Not sure who. He stated he had no intentions of stiffing me or the other person.
Time will tell if they show up.
Thanks,
Bstat >>
Why not just refund the money and be done with it assuming that could happen ? >>
How has spot moved between then and now?
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That's too bad you had to go through this. My dealings with YoungCoin15 were always positive, however, I sat the last deal out because the lead time had gotten too long for comfort. I recommend that you get your money returned instead of waiting for silver.
I have same issue . Jeff has not responded to several emails re 2012 silver eagle rolls. Anyone have additional insight on issue here. I have purchased rolls from Jeff for several years and had no problems. Thanks, appreciate any information.
ok, so to this point YoungCoin15 IS aware that there are people who want to know where their product is AND HE STILL HASN'T RESPONDED HERE??? If his computer is down, go to the Library to respond to all of this!!!
I feel even more badly for those involved now. There is no doubt now that the guy is a fraud.
To forgive is to free a prisoner, and to discover that prisoner was you.
<< <i>I have same issue . Jeff has not responded to several emails re 2012 silver eagle rolls. Anyone have additional insight on issue here. I have purchased rolls from Jeff for several years and had no problems. Thanks, appreciate any information. >>
I talked to him again thru email this morning, he stated he will ship the roll out by Friday and will send me tracking info.
It seems there are some bad things going on in his life right now he is trying to rebound from but I am not sticking up for him by any means. There are computers all over the place these days to get to and say something like "hey, your eagles are going to be a little later than I thought" or anything is better than nothing. Like piecesofme said, Go to the library!"
This has been a learning experience for me. I will post a lessons learned session once I get the silver. (fingers crossed)
<< <i>I think this is the most topics discussed in one thread ever! No biggie.
Youngcoin15 has now contacted me thru email after I was able to talk to a couple of his relatives. I think they then got a hold of him. Bottom line is he forgot about our deal. He said he will have to try to buy a roll of ASE and get them shipped to me. He said there is someone else here on the boards that he owes ASE roll(s) to as well. Not sure who. He stated he had no intentions of stiffing me or the other person.
Time will tell if they show up.
Thanks,
Bstat >>
Why not just refund the money and be done with it assuming that could happen ? >>
How has spot moved between then and now? >>
"A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush."
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>This is terrible! This should be reported to the Mods so he does not try selling here again no? >>
free market forces will ensure his "success" in future endeavors here >>
I agree with AnkurJ, that this needs to be reported to the mods in accordance with Don Willis's previous posts on outing members. YoungCoin15 needs to immediately make good on the deals which are hanging or be banned (also in accordance with Mr. Willis's post). Whether it's by sending the rolls which were purchased or refunding the money. As the Capt pointed out, silver is quite a bit higher than it was in mid December when this presale would have occured. The 4-5 rolls that we seem to be talking about here is roughly a $3500 exposure at this point. That's not an insignificant amount of money. I hope that's all it is.
<< <i>This has been a learning experience for me. I will post a lessons learned session once I get the silver. (fingers crossed)
We will see. >>
I believe this forum would be interested in reading about your experience whether you receive compensation or not.
My opinion is that bullion pre-sales can become Ponzi-like schemes whether by intent or because a miscalculation of market trends causes a shortfall in monies.
Sometimes this is confusing judging by responses here as there are both winners and losers from these schemes. Winners might want to keep quiet as in some cases the courts may authorize a "clawback" of illegitimate gains.
Will add that IMHO bstat1020 and coiny are the ones that should contact the mods as they are the injured party and can via PM's (presumably) show what was said and promised.
<< <i>Reputation is now shot and I will no longer participate in any further deals. >>
Did he participate in discussions here or was he mostly here for the BST? If it was the later and with posts like this he may decide "Why bother?" and just drop out of sight without shipping anything. I hope I'm wrong but it's a possibility.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>Did he participate in discussions here or was he mostly here for the BST? If it was the later and with posts like this he may decide "Why bother?" and just drop out of sight without shipping anything. I hope I'm wrong but it's a possibility. >>
appears he was here for the money - do a search of all forums using his user name
The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong
What if the BST moderator were to post a sticky at the top of the BST where he lists reported bad BST sellers (to the moderator with details) along with the member name reporting the "bad seller." If he gets more than one report on the same seller he would list more than one reporting name. This would enable potential buyers the opportunity to PM the reporting buyer(s) for details on why he/she considered it a bad transaction and then the new potential buyer could make an informed decision on whether are not to conduct business with the reported seller. Sort of a Bad Feedback system under the full control of the moderator.
The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong
Seems to me that most of the problems on BST revolve around bullion traders. I could be wrong but that is all I recall ever hearing about since precious metals became the commodity of choice for the fraudsters. It's financial dealing and a business license should be displayed. Non delivery is not a civil matter, it is a felony criminal matter over $400 in California. It's called grand theft.
I am out three rolls, not two. Not that it makes a significant difference.
Just a lot of money to loose and not a good feeling. Bstat gave me Youngcoins personal email address so I sent a note off to Jeff today. I have a feeling he is an honest guy deep inside as I had many successful transactions with him over the years. I am hopeful he will be in touch very soon. Many thanks to all on the board for your concern and help, especially Brian.
<< <i> Stupid, I'm not the one in communication with law enforcement. I am mainly referring to pre-sales, they tend to be a suckers play. I don't mean to attack BST transactions, but if you don't like the price locally, negotiate. In my experience face-to-face is safer and cheaper (no shipping), except when doing volume purchases from someone like Tulving. >>
I couldnt agree with you more. I use to peruse the BST boards looking for some good deals, looking for someone to sell me something at a price that would fall somewhere in the middle of a dealers buy and sell price. Now I just peruse the BST when I need a good laugh.
The current PM thread for this month.
-- 2 ( 1/10) ounce Raw gold eagles for $430. I just called my local dealer - they are $185 each. He would probably go 2 for $365. The $430 price on this board is almost 20% over spot. I have never heard of a dealer ask 20% over spot on raw.
-- 1 ounce Gold Eagle for $1790. That same dealer I just called is asking $1772.
-- 15 ounces of silver ( 5-3 ounce bars) for $875. Almost %60 an ounce. Wow. My local dealer probably doesnt have these so cant compare but wow.
And I know it goes both ways. There is an add on the BST offering to buy 90% at .645*spot you pay the shipping and wait on the check. Monarch PM pays .69 * spot. Golmastersusa pays .70 * spot. Every dealer in my city pays .67* spot or a little higher ( no shipping cahrges, no waiting on check ).
( there are thousands of other good laughs over on the BST as well )
Just saying, BST is very nice when you need a good laugh. When you want to buy something at a price equal to or lower than your local dealer, not so much.
What if the BST moderator were to post a sticky at the top of the BST where he lists reported bad BST sellers (to the moderator with details) along with the member name reporting the "bad seller." If he gets more than one report on the same seller he would list more than one reporting name. This would enable potential buyers the opportunity to PM the reporting buyer(s) for details on why he/she considered it a bad transaction and then the new potential buyer could make an informed decision on whether are not to conduct business with the reported seller. Sort of a Bad Feedback system under the full control of the moderator
I am 100% for something like this here...100%
To forgive is to free a prisoner, and to discover that prisoner was you.
Just to update all, with bstats help with other email addresses for YoungCoin15, I sent additional emails and yesterday finally got my first response. Boils down to he lost his job and took a temp job in another area. He plans to make good and send me my rolls when he returns on March 5. I replied and told him that there is no excuse for a lack of communication no matter what happened and I hope he man's up! We will see what happens. Stay tuned!
<< <i>Well, I just received my roll of ASE from the mail man today.
Thanks for finally holding up your end of the deal Jeff.
Good luck to Coiny and Geoman!
Bstat >>
Congrats. To you personally and also to your seller. Happy endings for all. I have little doubt but that the other seeming discrepancies shall also be made good. ------ But most of all, to this community. Thank you. It is truly a privilege to be here.
Many, many perfect transactions with other members. Ask please.
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Ask for a little room in the price in a nice way and see how much more successful you become.
This is directed to anyone who tries to outthink the seller. The seller sets the rules, never the buyer. Unless the buyer and seller are known to each other, just play nice.
Youngcoin15 has now contacted me thru email after I was able to talk to a couple of his relatives. I think they then got a hold of him. Bottom line is he forgot about our deal. He said he will have to try to buy a roll of ASE and get them shipped to me. He said there is someone else here on the boards that he owes ASE roll(s) to as well. Not sure who.
He stated he had no intentions of stiffing me or the other person.
Time will tell if they show up.
Thanks,
Bstat
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>He sounds grossly irresponsible. He's on my list of people to never do business with. >>
I'm with you, PH.
<< <i>he forgot about our deal >>
best of luck to you.
I always forget stuff when I have a few thousand extra dollars lying around.
Perry's "grossly irresponsible" comment pretty much nails it.
Look forward to updates and I wish you the best.
The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong
<< <i>It's sad that he has memory problems, perhaps he needs to see a physician. >>
Selective memory is not an illness, it is a skill.
The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong
<< <i>
<< <i>It's sad that he has memory problems, perhaps he needs to see a physician. >>
Selective memory is not an illness, it is a skill. >>
That's what keeps me married.
Having a more than full time job myself, participating in family activites and functions (not complaining, it's all a blessing to me)...and keeping up with all that is going on here on a daily basis has been challenging at times for me, BUT, and I cant stress this enough, BUT when I have deals going on thru here or other sites, I follow them thru to the end, even if that means me not getting enough sleep as I should.
Fortunately, I haven't had anything close to something like what YoungCoin has done happen to me, and rest assured, I will not let it happen to any buyer I'm dealing with. It is my responsibility and duty to help my buyer with as much as I possibly can in the event of a lost package or something like that. Forgetting about a deal is about the lamest excuse I've heard, and that's coming from someone who can sympathize with being bogged down, if that is the case with him.
<< <i>I bet he didn't forget to spend the money. >>
I suspect he'll forget the OP's conversation regarding this matter. If the OP believes his story, well ... I feel for him.
<< <i>I think this is the most topics discussed in one thread ever! No biggie.
Youngcoin15 has now contacted me thru email after I was able to talk to a couple of his relatives. I think they then got a hold of him. Bottom line is he forgot about our deal. He said he will have to try to buy a roll of ASE and get them shipped to me. He said there is someone else here on the boards that he owes ASE roll(s) to as well. Not sure who.
He stated he had no intentions of stiffing me or the other person.
Time will tell if they show up.
Thanks,
Bstat >>
Why not just refund the money and be done with it assuming that could happen ?
Coin's for sale/trade.
Tom Pilitowski
US Rare Coin Investments
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<< <i>Why not just refund the money and be done with it assuming that could happen ? >>
He may need to sell a few more rolls first.
<< <i>
<< <i>I think this is the most topics discussed in one thread ever! No biggie.
Youngcoin15 has now contacted me thru email after I was able to talk to a couple of his relatives. I think they then got a hold of him. Bottom line is he forgot about our deal. He said he will have to try to buy a roll of ASE and get them shipped to me. He said there is someone else here on the boards that he owes ASE roll(s) to as well. Not sure who.
He stated he had no intentions of stiffing me or the other person.
Time will tell if they show up.
Thanks,
Bstat >>
Why not just refund the money and be done with it assuming that could happen ? >>
How has spot moved between then and now?
I recommend that you get your money returned instead of waiting for silver.
I have purchased rolls from Jeff for several years and had no problems.
Thanks, appreciate any information.
If his computer is down, go to the Library to respond to all of this!!!
I feel even more badly for those involved now. There is no doubt now that the guy is a fraud.
<< <i>I have same issue . Jeff has not responded to several emails re 2012 silver eagle rolls. Anyone have additional insight on issue here.
I have purchased rolls from Jeff for several years and had no problems.
Thanks, appreciate any information. >>
PM sent Coiny.
It seems there are some bad things going on in his life right now he is trying to rebound from but I am not sticking up for him by any means. There are computers all over the place these days to get to and say something like "hey, your eagles are going to be a little later than I thought" or anything is better than nothing. Like piecesofme said, Go to the library!"
This has been a learning experience for me. I will post a lessons learned session once I get the silver. (fingers crossed)
We will see.
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>I think this is the most topics discussed in one thread ever! No biggie.
Youngcoin15 has now contacted me thru email after I was able to talk to a couple of his relatives. I think they then got a hold of him. Bottom line is he forgot about our deal. He said he will have to try to buy a roll of ASE and get them shipped to me. He said there is someone else here on the boards that he owes ASE roll(s) to as well. Not sure who.
He stated he had no intentions of stiffing me or the other person.
Time will tell if they show up.
Thanks,
Bstat >>
Why not just refund the money and be done with it assuming that could happen ? >>
How has spot moved between then and now? >>
"A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush."
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>When is the hand EVER better than the bush? >>
rarely, but sometimes
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<< <i>This is terrible! This should be reported to the Mods so he does not try selling here again no? >>
free market forces will ensure his "success" in future endeavors here
I hope those effected get their goods.
Short of being in a coma, there is no excuse for not communicating/refunding funds if something "happened in your life".
Reputation is now shot and I will no longer participate in any further deals.
Loves me some shiny!
<< <i>
<< <i>This is terrible! This should be reported to the Mods so he does not try selling here again no? >>
free market forces will ensure his "success" in future endeavors here >>
I agree with AnkurJ, that this needs to be reported to the mods in accordance with Don Willis's previous posts on outing members. YoungCoin15 needs to immediately make good on the deals which are hanging or be banned (also in accordance with Mr. Willis's post). Whether it's by sending the rolls which were purchased or refunding the money. As the Capt pointed out, silver is quite a bit higher than it was in mid December when this presale would have occured. The 4-5 rolls that we seem to be talking about here is roughly a $3500 exposure at this point. That's not an insignificant amount of money. I hope that's all it is.
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<< <i>This has been a learning experience for me. I will post a lessons learned session once I get the silver. (fingers crossed)
We will see. >>
I believe this forum would be interested in reading about your experience whether you receive compensation or not.
My opinion is that bullion pre-sales can become Ponzi-like schemes whether by intent or because a miscalculation of market trends causes a shortfall in monies.
Sometimes this is confusing judging by responses here as there are both winners and losers from these schemes. Winners might want to keep quiet as in some cases the courts may authorize a "clawback" of illegitimate gains.
Please visit my website Millcitynumismatics.com
<< <i>Reputation is now shot and I will no longer participate in any further deals. >>
Did he participate in discussions here or was he mostly here for the BST? If it was the later and with posts like this he may decide "Why bother?" and just drop out of sight without shipping anything. I hope I'm wrong but it's a possibility.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>Did he participate in discussions here or was he mostly here for the BST? If it was the later and with posts like this he may decide "Why bother?" and just drop out of sight without shipping anything. I hope I'm wrong but it's a possibility. >>
appears he was here for the money - do a search of all forums using his user name
The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong
that link is not working
The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong
frontier vigilanty justice.
Seems to me that most of the problems on BST revolve around bullion traders. I could be wrong but that is all I recall ever hearing about since precious metals became the commodity of choice for the fraudsters.
It's financial dealing and a business license should be displayed. Non delivery is not a civil matter, it is a felony criminal matter over $400 in California. It's called grand theft.
Mercy is not an option.
Bstat1020 (1 roll)
Coiny (3 rolls)
Geoman (2 rolls)
Anymore??
<< <i>The BST is fine. Why don't we leave our hosts out of it? >>
Not fine for everyone:
Here are the people I have that have not received their ASE roll(s) at this point:
Bstat1020 (1 roll)
Coiny (2 rolls)
Geoman (2 rolls)
Anymore??
Our hosts have made a rule on outing that up until then help the members police the BST.
The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong
Just a lot of money to loose and not a good feeling. Bstat gave me Youngcoins personal email address so I
sent a note off to Jeff today. I have a feeling he is
an honest guy deep inside as I had many successful transactions with him over the years.
I am hopeful he will be in touch very soon.
Many thanks to all on the board for your concern and help, especially Brian.
Dave (Coiny)
<< <i>
Stupid, I'm not the one in communication with law enforcement. I am mainly referring to pre-sales, they tend to be a suckers play. I don't mean to attack BST transactions, but if you don't like the price locally, negotiate. In my experience face-to-face is safer and cheaper (no shipping), except when doing volume purchases from someone like Tulving. >>
I couldnt agree with you more. I use to peruse the BST boards looking for some good deals, looking for someone to sell me something at a price that would fall somewhere in the middle of a dealers buy and sell price. Now I just peruse the BST when I need a good laugh.
The current PM thread for this month.
-- 2 ( 1/10) ounce Raw gold eagles for $430. I just called my local dealer - they are $185 each. He would probably go 2 for $365. The $430 price on this board is almost 20% over spot. I have never heard of a dealer ask 20% over spot on raw.
-- 1 ounce Gold Eagle for $1790. That same dealer I just called is asking $1772.
-- 15 ounces of silver ( 5-3 ounce bars) for $875. Almost %60 an ounce. Wow. My local dealer probably doesnt have these so cant compare but wow.
And I know it goes both ways. There is an add on the BST offering to buy 90% at .645*spot you pay the shipping and wait on the check. Monarch PM pays .69 * spot. Golmastersusa pays .70 * spot. Every dealer in my city pays .67* spot or a little higher ( no shipping cahrges, no waiting on check ).
( there are thousands of other good laughs over on the BST as well )
Just saying, BST is very nice when you need a good laugh. When you want to buy something at a price equal to or lower than your local dealer, not so much.
<< <i>
<< <i>When is the hand EVER better than the bush? >>
If a paper bag is required? >>
I would think it would have to be 2 bags.............just in case hers falls off.
Herb
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>When is the hand EVER better than the bush? >>
If a paper bag is required? >>
I would think it would have to be 2 bags.............just in case hers falls off.
Herb >>
I am 100% for something like this here...100%
Give the ole geezer something to do.
We will see what happens. Stay tuned!
Here is my update: Last night he sent me an email stating that he had shipped my roll and provided a tracking number.
Hopefully it will be here next week with ASE inside.
Thanks,
Brian
Thanks for finally holding up your end of the deal Jeff.
Good luck to Coiny and Geoman!
Bstat
<< <i>Well, I just received my roll of ASE from the mail man today.
Thanks for finally holding up your end of the deal Jeff.
Good luck to Coiny and Geoman!
Bstat >>
Congrats. To you personally and also to your seller. Happy endings for all.
I have little doubt but that the other seeming discrepancies shall also be made good.
------
But most of all, to this community. Thank you.
It is truly a privilege to be here.