I really wish YoungCoin15 would respond to all this here. People by nature want to forgive when a person admits wrongdoing. I think a large % would forgive the guy if he would just admit to screwing up and apologize. I for one don't need to hear his shortcomings that apparently lead to him "forgetting" about all these transactions. Just a simple apology and make sure everyone gets made whole...and I think most of us would move on. How 'bout it Jeff? Here's your chance to save some face here.
To forgive is to free a prisoner, and to discover that prisoner was you.
I still have not received my 2 rolls of ASEs or my money back from Youngcoin15 (Jeff). With the help of Bstat1020, I got a different email address for Youngcoin15 that I finally was able to make contact with him back in February 2012. Youngcoin15 did respond and admit he owes me the 2 rolls of ASEs. He said he needed 3 more weeks, which I gave him. Since then, he has made numerous promises to me to send me the coins or my money back, which never happened. As of today, I am still out $1,320.00 for this transaction. About three weeks ago, I told Youngcoin15 in an email that he has to July 9th, 2012 to finally make good on this transaction or I will be forced to escalate matters. Since then, he has stopped emailing me.
Unfortunately, I am forced to contact the police and postal service.
Please contact by PM if you have more information on this. Also, if you have experience in suing someone to get your money back, please contact me. I have all my emails saved where Youngcoin15 admits he still owes me.
Police report for a $1300 out of State private transaction? Good luck with that theory. Chalk it off to bad judgment on your part, don't pay for anything on the BST via PayPal Gift or M.O. & claim it as a bad debt on your taxes. Make sure the scu-bag is "NARUD" from this Forum
"Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
Great on contacting the police and authorities. Do more. Didn't see this thread before.
Affects the whole texture of the BST for me.
I hope the losing parties could get together and pursue things more, doubling the legal complaints and notifications to all agencies, including the detectives of his current location. Arent' the email exchanges proof of interstate fraud or something. ASE's are legal tender and I would at least contact the Secret Service and get his name in the system. If you could get them to act, they can find him easily. He's not going to come through on his own as it was too easy for him to blow it off. He can be physically found and I see some enabling going on via anyone accepting or understanding his excuses. IP addresses can be linked to the ISP provider. Anyone who has any hint of where he is or can be contacted should help. It becomes so easy for a person to then do it a second time, and even back here again. He's not an honest guy anymore, and likely viewing what went on here and maybe still is. Make no personal threats in contacts, but contact every authority you can to increase your odds of some help and getting this reflected to his personal legal record. Even the carriers he used before. (never take it personally if you've been stung, its the purpertrator that created this situation. get mad instead)
(yes, derryb on the reporting here, even if thread kept up individually) (streeter, you and I have the same ideas. can't say more)
Not fine for everyone:
Here are the people I have that have not received their ASE roll(s) at this point:
<< <i>Police report for a $1300 out of State private transaction? Good luck with that theory. Chalk it off to bad judgment on your part, don't pay for anything on the BST via PayPal Gift or M.O. & claim it as a bad debt on your taxes. Make sure the scu-bag is "NARUD" from this Forum >>
OPA, are you saying that a POMO is'nt a safe way to pay for a transaction on the BST? Surely you would have some legal leg to stand on after the person has to sbow valid I.D. and sigh for it. Not to mention, since it was sent through the mail wouldn't that be a form of mail fraud if they didn't honor their end of the deal? Just curious.
<< <i>Police report for a $1300 out of State private transaction? Good luck with that theory. Chalk it off to bad judgment on your part, don't pay for anything on the BST via PayPal Gift or M.O. & claim it as a bad debt on your taxes. Make sure the scu-bag is "NARUD" from this Forum >>
OPA, are you saying that a POMO is'nt a safe way to pay for a transaction on the BST? Surely you would have some legal leg to stand on after the person has to sbow valid I.D. and sigh for it. Not to mention, since it was sent through the mail wouldn't that be a form of mail fraud if they didn't honor their end of the deal? Just curious.
Paypal gift... thats a differemt story. >>
POMO is the equivalence of sending cash. Would you send cash for a bullion purchase before having it in hand?
"Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
Does PCGS have any liability since the transaction was constituted thru its site? Not impying anything, just think it's a legit question that should be considered for those involved.
To forgive is to free a prisoner, and to discover that prisoner was you.
<< <i>Does PCGS have any liability since the transaction was constituted thru its site? Not impying anything, just think it's a legit question that should be considered for those involved. >>
IMO, PCGS isn't to be held liable whatsoever.
They could maybe step in with contact info if needed on the members mentioned after a suit is filed.
@ Elite CNC Routing & Woodworks on Facebook. Check out my work. Too many positive BST transactions with too many members to list.
Maybe they are not liable as long as they don't grant any information to anyone. If they did, then that would involve them. If the don't...after all it is the internet, s happens, even if it is on their site.
To forgive is to free a prisoner, and to discover that prisoner was you.
<< <i>Does PCGS have any liability since the transaction was constituted thru its site? Not impying anything, just think it's a legit question that should be considered for those involved. >>
IMO, PCGS isn't to be held liable whatsoever.
They could maybe step in with contact info if needed on the members mentioned after a suit is filed. >>
Also pm'd contact info I had from late 2010.
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Just as I suspected, now we know the answer to a good question.
The bigger question is how do these people get made whole? This is really a tragedy. I know some of you will say it's not alot of money in reality and chalk it up to experience, but being out $1300+ on a deal would stew with me quite awhile and possibly force my hand to pay a visit to Youngcoin15...but that's just me.
To forgive is to free a prisoner, and to discover that prisoner was you.
Part of the article referrenced on Coinflation: "GCSO: Precious metals dealer ripped off clients Kevin Andrew Green faces multiple charges" ---Shows even the Better Business Bureau of all place could help if they were informed....
--------------------------------------- GREENVILLE COUNTY, S.C. - A precious metals dealer is facing charges after three clients said he ripped them off, the Greenville County Sheriff’s Office said. Kevin Andrew Green, the owner of Palmetto Precious Metals, LLC, has been arrested and charged with three counts of breach of trust.
The arrest follows complaints originally made to the Better Business Bureau.
On June 11, the Sheriff’s Office was notified by the Better Business Bureau that three people had made complaints against Palmetto Precious Metals, LLC. Two of the complaints involved money that was given to PPM for the purchase of silver, but no silver was ever purchased. The third complaint alleged that more than $30,000 worth of silver coins were given to PPM to broker a sales deal, but the victim never received any money from the sale.
One of the victims, Jason Anderson, said he lost about $1,200 to Green.
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Just a simple apology and make sure everyone gets made whole...and I think most of us would move on. How 'bout it Jeff? Here's your chance to save some face here.
I still have not received my 2 rolls of ASEs or my money back from Youngcoin15 (Jeff). With the help of Bstat1020, I got a different email address for Youngcoin15 that I finally was able to make contact with him back in February 2012. Youngcoin15 did respond and admit he owes me the 2 rolls of ASEs. He said he needed 3 more weeks, which I gave him. Since then, he has made numerous promises to me to send me the coins or my money back, which never happened. As of today, I am still out $1,320.00 for this transaction. About three weeks ago, I told Youngcoin15 in an email that he has to July 9th, 2012 to finally make good on this transaction or I will be forced to escalate matters. Since then, he has stopped emailing me.
Unfortunately, I am forced to contact the police and postal service.
Please contact by PM if you have more information on this. Also, if you have experience in suing someone to get your money back, please contact me. I have all my emails saved where Youngcoin15 admits he still owes me.
Thanks in advance!
The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong
I don't know what's the limit over which the police will really take care of this situations.
Best of luck also.
Affects the whole texture of the BST for me.
I hope the losing parties could get together and pursue things more, doubling the legal complaints and notifications to all agencies, including the detectives of his current location. Arent' the email exchanges proof of interstate fraud or something. ASE's are legal tender and I would at least contact the Secret Service and get his name in the system. If you could get them to act, they can find him easily. He's not going to come through on his own as it was too easy for him to blow it off. He can be physically found and I see some enabling going on via anyone accepting or understanding his excuses. IP addresses can be linked to the ISP provider. Anyone who has any hint of where he is or can be contacted should help. It becomes so easy for a person to then do it a second time, and even back here again. He's not an honest guy anymore, and likely viewing what went on here and maybe still is. Make no personal threats in contacts, but contact every authority you can to increase your odds of some help and getting this reflected to his personal legal record. Even the carriers he used before. (never take it personally if you've been stung, its the purpertrator that created this situation. get mad instead)
(yes, derryb on the reporting here, even if thread kept up individually)
(streeter, you and I have the same ideas. can't say more)
Not fine for everyone:
Here are the people I have that have not received their ASE roll(s) at this point:
Bstat1020 (1 roll)
Coiny (2 rolls)
Geoman (2 rolls)
Anymore??
<< <i>Police report for a $1300 out of State private transaction? Good luck with that theory. Chalk it off to bad judgment on your part, don't pay for anything on the BST via PayPal Gift or M.O. & claim it as a bad debt on your taxes. Make sure the scu-bag is "NARUD" from this Forum >>
OPA, are you saying that a POMO is'nt a safe way to pay for a transaction on the BST? Surely you would have some legal leg to stand on after the person has to sbow valid I.D. and sigh for it. Not to mention, since it was sent through the mail wouldn't that be a form of mail fraud if they didn't honor their end of the deal? Just curious.
Paypal gift... thats a differemt story.
It's all about what the people want...
<< <i>
<< <i>Police report for a $1300 out of State private transaction? Good luck with that theory. Chalk it off to bad judgment on your part, don't pay for anything on the BST via PayPal Gift or M.O. & claim it as a bad debt on your taxes. Make sure the scu-bag is "NARUD" from this Forum >>
OPA, are you saying that a POMO is'nt a safe way to pay for a transaction on the BST? Surely you would have some legal leg to stand on after the person has to sbow valid I.D. and sigh for it. Not to mention, since it was sent through the mail wouldn't that be a form of mail fraud if they didn't honor their end of the deal? Just curious.
Paypal gift... thats a differemt story. >>
POMO is the equivalence of sending cash. Would you send cash for a bullion purchase before having it in hand?
<< <i>Does PCGS have any liability since the transaction was constituted thru its site? Not impying anything, just think it's a legit question that should be considered for those involved. >>
IMO, PCGS isn't to be held liable whatsoever.
They could maybe step in with contact info if needed on the members mentioned after a suit is filed.
Too many positive BST transactions with too many members to list.
Hey Coiny - did you ever get your rolls??
For the record, I did receive my roll of ASE some time ago.
Thanks,
Bstat
<< <i>IMO, PCGS isn't to be held liable whatsoever. >>
Not so sure about that...scam originated on their website & it's not the first time.
<< <i>
<< <i>IMO, PCGS isn't to be held liable whatsoever. >>
Not so sure about that...scam originated on their website & it's not the first time. >>
They are probably sure or they would not be making the service available.
The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong
<< <i>
<< <i>Does PCGS have any liability since the transaction was constituted thru its site? Not impying anything, just think it's a legit question that should be considered for those involved. >>
IMO, PCGS isn't to be held liable whatsoever.
They could maybe step in with contact info if needed on the members mentioned after a suit is filed. >>
Also pm'd contact info I had from late 2010.
jdimmick;Gerard;wondercoin;claychaser;agentjim007;CCC2010;guitarwes;TAMU15;Zubie;mariner67;segoja;Smittys;kaz;CARDSANDCOINS;FadeToBlack;
jrt103;tizofthe;bronze6827;mkman;Scootersdad;AllCoinsRule;coindeuce;dmarks;piecesofme; and many more
You agree that you are solely responsible and entirely liable for the content of your messages and other postings, and you will indemnify and hold harmless Collector's Universe, Inc., e-Zone Media (the software manufacturer) and their respective subsidiary, parent and affiliated companies, officers, directors, agents and employees with respect to any claim arising in connection with your activity on these Forums, including but not limited to the appearance and/or transmission of your messages or other postings.
The bigger question is how do these people get made whole? This is really a tragedy. I know some of you will say it's not alot of money in reality and chalk it up to experience, but being out $1300+ on a deal would stew with me quite awhile and possibly force my hand to pay a visit to Youngcoin15...but that's just me.
The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong
Please be responsible and honor
your obligations !!!
<< <i>Hey Jeff,
Please be responsible and honor
your obligations !!! >>
Kinda late here huh?
Horse is gone out of the barn it looks like.
"GCSO: Precious metals dealer ripped off clients
Kevin Andrew Green faces multiple charges"
---Shows even the Better Business Bureau of all place could help if they were informed....
---------------------------------------
GREENVILLE COUNTY, S.C. - A precious metals dealer is facing charges after three clients said he ripped them off, the Greenville County Sheriff’s Office said. Kevin Andrew Green, the owner of Palmetto Precious Metals, LLC, has been arrested and charged with three counts of breach of trust.
The arrest follows complaints originally made to the Better Business Bureau.
On June 11, the Sheriff’s Office was notified by the Better Business Bureau that three people had made complaints against Palmetto Precious Metals, LLC. Two of the complaints involved money that was given to PPM for the purchase of silver, but no silver was ever purchased. The third complaint alleged that more than $30,000 worth of silver coins were given to PPM to broker a sales deal, but the victim never received any money from the sale.
One of the victims, Jason Anderson, said he lost about $1,200 to Green.
Read more: http://www.wyff4.com/news/local-news/greenville-news/GCSO-Precious-metals-dealer-ripped-off-clients/-/9654794/15508878/-/15oqtjwz/-/index.html#ixzz20tTizL6U