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  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,102 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Number of available jobs at decades highs....

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 7, 2017 11:51AM

    Do they pay as much as an unemployment check?
    Are they full time?
    Are they in the food service industry?

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,102 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 7, 2017 2:29PM

    https://www.indeed.com/m/jobs?q=&l=Jacksonville,+FL

    Look to be well in excess of unemployment compensation.
    Full-time or more.
    The vast and overwhelming majority are not food service.

    Anymore attempts at discrediting truth?

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 7, 2017 4:25PM

    I dare not tread on your specialty.

    Why real money matters

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,102 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Everyone is doing better

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,102 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,793 ✭✭✭✭✭

    good sign that consumer spending borrowing is still increasing.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,102 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 8, 2017 12:47PM

    Overall debt levels will always increase simply due to an increasing population. I've already shown you that individual debt levels are more servicable today than at anytime in the last 2 decades.

    Why does this not make sense to you?

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,824 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Lake Wobegon, where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking and all the children are above average.

    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 10, 2017 6:11AM

    David Stockman on the great jobs recovery:

    We we are not close to having recovered the 4.3 million goods producing jobs lost in the Great Recession; 40% of them are still AWOL:

    when goods-producing jobs peaked at 25 million back in 1980, there were only 6.7 million jobs in leisure and hospitality. Today that sector employs 16.0 million part-time, low-pay workers or 2.4X the four decade ago level:

    Almost back to where we were in 2000:

    And no discussion of jobs is complete without looking at the income generated from them:

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,793 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • VanHalenVanHalen Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A lot of the data is good. Some is very good. Unfortunately the "not willing workers" category is at all time highs too. Tens of millions sit on the sidelines (or work part-time/for cash/etc for their beer and cigarette money).

    We have to cut some of the social "safety net" that is sucking the system dry. Disincentives to full-time work have never been greater. Adults willing to work for $11, $12, $13/hour have disappeared. There are hundreds of $13/hour, full-time jobs with decent benefits in my small area that cannot be filled while thousands sit at home drawing $2,000+/month in gov't benefits. It's a common theme across the U.S. today. If we could get people off the dole and into the job market the picture would be much brighter.

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,102 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 10, 2017 6:56PM

    I guess there are more stupid people out there than I thought

    No wonder the 1% can exploit so easily.

    Such a lack of understanding of demographics. Thank you stupid people!! Using "median" to fool the sheeple. This is so frigging easy. Yeah, all those baby boomers want more fire fighters when the actually spend their time in bars, restaurants, golf courses, and Tupperware patries and yoga classes.

    With a name like "stock"man, you'd think this guy might actually be right once a while, but nope, nothing big wrong for that dude for a long time. No wonder he's a "former".

    Yes VanHalen, the disincentive to work is great. All we have to do is stop that. Ever hear anyone offer a solution?

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 10, 2017 9:01PM

    Since you're so much smarter than a former Director of the Office of Management and Budget you can be our official 1% representative. Or, you can just remain our resident Wall St. PR guy.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • VanHalenVanHalen Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A politician's number one goal is always to get elected. Don't get elected and nothing else matters. With a demographic increasing dependent on gov't subsidies and those subsidies being increasingly fruitful to the recipients we're in a tough situation. Gotta get the votes to get elected and then Wall Street wags the dog.

    I suggest our current $500 billion/year budget deficit could be eliminated if the 10 million Americans on the sidelines got off the dole and started working full-time paying FICA taxes. Somehow someday the elected elite in D.C. will have to face the day of reckoning. The sooner they make the cuts the better our country will be as a whole. I just don't see that day happening in my lifetime. Unless I live another 40 years that is.

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,102 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't represent Wall Street or the 1%. I'm just showing you how all this works. You can despise the mechanism, but that won't keep it from working. Understand how and why and you won't have to rely on hope and promise.

    A lot of folks would rather root for the Browns than the Patriots. I get that. But it won't make you a winner. Some folks get so accustomed to losing that they forget how to win. They become so arrogant that their way is right and it is others' who keep them down. We see this everyday in our workplaces. We see it repeated in our elected officials. We read about it in investment newsletters.

    The super successful have just learned how to use others' arrogance to their advantage. It's why I can go back and cite a dozen times in this forum when some comment was made and I identified that as a turning point.

    Understand the situation. Understand your opponent. Win.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 13, 2017 9:43AM

    Abracadabra - the FED balance sheet scam

    "Who did they lend all that money to? Apparently, a lot of it went to corporations who borrowed it at ultra-low interest rates in order to buy back their own stock, which paid dividends way higher than the interest rate they borrowed at to buy the stuff, and which also pumped up the share value of the stocks, which also happened to make the executives of the corporations way richer in terms of their stock options and bonuses (awarded for boosting the share value of the stock!)."

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • VanHalenVanHalen Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There's a lot of abracadabra at all levels of gov't. I've wondered about the NSA budget which is conservatively estimated at $10 billion/year and could easily be double that.

    These "black budget monies" are often grossly underreported. The entire annual budget for the CIA and its 22,000+ employees is about the same price as one new aircraft carrier?

    national/black-budget

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,793 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,102 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not in our lifetimes. Political instability and social unrest are bigger concerns.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,102 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Let's not discuss the present level of this measure of confudence, but rather why the naysayers refuted it for so long. Why did they continue to ignore this improving economic indicator?

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 14, 2017 11:35AM

    This includes the taxi drivers and shoe shiners that give investment advice, right?

    Who am I to refute what someone else believes? What I believe is what matters. Put me at about the 94 level, right where small business "optimism" was before things last blew up.

    Asking the National Federation of Independent Business membership how business looks in the future is like asking the National Association of Realtors membership about the future of house prices.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,660 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ...or asking purveyors of sht colored glasses about the outlook for sht storms?

    Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,793 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • renman95renman95 Posts: 7,037 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cohodk said:
    Jobless claims at 40 year lows....and this on a population base twice as great. Wow!!!

    I thought this was a bitcoin chart. ;-)

  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,119 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:

    No disrespect meant for your mindset, but you've been preaching that same song & dance routine for at least 7 years. It may or may not happen in your lifetime. My bet, it won't.

    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 16, 2017 10:41AM

    deflation for the past seven years has put the money bomb on delayed fuse. Maybe deflation is the final FED effort to try to prevent the inevitable. Still, a futile, can-kicking exercise on their part. They are in fact running out of cans. They have already pulled one from your cupboard (near zero returns on your dollar savings). Might wanna stock up on some cans.

    My mindset is this: Since the big one (2008) monetary policy and government miss-spending have shown disregard for long term protection of the value of the currency. Short term fixes will prove to be short term. I don't expect this to change, do you?

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,119 ✭✭✭✭✭

    derryb .. not so sure about the "near zero" returns. Although they are still near historically lows, they've been slowly creeping up. 6 mos T'bills @ 1.45%...I have a small savings account that is paying 1.3%. Nothing to brag about, but sure beats taking a hit on PM's ;)

    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,793 ✭✭✭✭✭

    One takes a hit on PMs only if one sells below what was paid.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,660 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 16, 2017 1:11PM

    @derryb said:
    One takes a hit on PMs only if one sells below what was paid.

    Or if one considers the opportunity cost of investing in PMs vs. the many better-performing alternatives during the time frame in question. ;)

    Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,793 ✭✭✭✭✭

    One must also consider risk.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,119 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:
    One takes a hit on PMs only if one sells below what was paid.

    Most of us with some intelligence know that. It's not an actual loss until you sell, but it sure is a paper loss.

    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,793 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sorta like devalued dollars - not a loss until you spend them.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 17, 2017 7:12AM

    "Dark Money runs the world" - Nomi Prins, former managing director at Goldman-Sachs , former Senior Managing Director at Bear Stearns, former senior strategist at Lehman Brothers and former analyst at the Chase Manhattan Bank.

    "Dark money is the #1 secret life force of today’s rigged financial markets. It drives whole markets up and down. It’s the reason for today’s financial bubbles."

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,102 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:
    One must also consider risk.

    Something the gold bugs obviously didn't consider.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,102 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:
    deflation for the past seven years has put the money bomb on delayed fuse. Maybe deflation is the final FED effort to try to prevent the inevitable. Still, a futile, can-kicking exercise on their part. They are in fact running out of cans. They have already pulled one from your cupboard (near zero returns on your dollar savings). Might wanna stock up on some cans.

    My mindset is this: Since the big one (2008) monetary policy and government miss-spending have shown disregard for long term protection of the value of the currency. Short term fixes will prove to be short term. I don't expect this to change, do you?

    Only deflation is in precious metals. All other asset classes have done a tremendous job of "saving and protecting" dollars and wealth. Gold, well, not so much. And such an obvious call it was.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,102 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Interesting resume....

    Bear Stearns...failed.
    Lehman Bros....failed.

    I guess alternative fact writing pays the bills.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,102 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OPA said:

    @derryb said:
    One takes a hit on PMs only if one sells below what was paid.

    Most of us with some intelligence know that. It's not an actual loss until you sell, but it sure is a paper loss.

    Oftentimes opportunity lost is much greater than paper or financial loss. And nothing is a great as time loss.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,793 ✭✭✭✭✭

    tick tock. . .

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,102 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:
    tick tock. . .

    Yup....you're not getting any younger.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • VanHalenVanHalen Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Tell me about it. I feel like I'm 60 some days. :)

    In the 30 years since I graduated from college the U.S. economy has grown by an average of 4.5% per year. Excellent by any measure. Meanwhile the U.S. equity markets have grown by 9%+ per year over the same period.

    Holey compound interest Batman! :p Just a little humor for your Sunday night.

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,102 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @VanHalen said:
    Tell me about it. I feel like I'm 60 some days. :)

    In the 30 years since I graduated from college the U.S. economy has grown by an average of 4.5% per year. Excellent by any measure. Meanwhile the U.S. equity markets have grown by 9%+ per year over the same period.

    Holey compound interest Batman! :p Just a little humor for your Sunday night.

    Equity markets have returned 9% per year for more than 30 years. Its a trend that has doomed the doomsayers for a century.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • VanHalenVanHalen Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cohodk said:

    @VanHalen said:
    Tell me about it. I feel like I'm 60 some days. :)

    In the 30 years since I graduated from college the U.S. economy has grown by an average of 4.5% per year. Excellent by any measure. Meanwhile the U.S. equity markets have grown by 9%+ per year over the same period.

    Holey compound interest Batman! :p Just a little humor for your Sunday night.

    Equity markets have returned 9% per year for more than 30 years. Its a trend that has doomed the doomsayers for a century.

    It is amazing. For many decades until the mid-1980's equity market growth trailed GDP growth nearly 50%. See 1927 to 1987 where GDP grew an average of ~6%/year while U.S. equities grew at a ~3% annual rate.

    For the last 30 years the numbers have inversed and U.S. equities have grown at a 9%+ rate while GDP has struggled to average 4% (the 4.5% quote was a tad high).

    See what happened in the mid-1980's to send equities on a crazy ride to the moon? :o Here's the DJIA for the last 90 years.

    dow.jpg 26.4K
  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,793 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As illustrated in the Dark Money chart above, equities, since the last financial crisis, have grown in tandem with the FED's balance sheet (new money). Coincidence? Not hardly. Price manipulation? You betcha. Question now is what will the FED use as a potency pill to keep it up.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,660 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Two things immediately jump out about that chart: why aren't the Y axes labelled?? And why does it end in 2013?

    Would it cease to be a "coincidence" if it were updated to today, and if the magnitude of the relationship were revealed?

    Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 18, 2017 8:50AM

    Tail wagging the dog? Is there really any doubt that the FED has been driving equities? Really?

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,660 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow, guess we all should have been owning equities, huh? Right? ;)

    Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,793 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Baley said:
    Wow, guess we all should have been owning equities, huh? Right? ;)

    AND taking advantage of low PM prices. FED can't prop up the equities indefinitely.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,793 ✭✭✭✭✭

    And, according to the Bank of International Settlements one out of ten corporations in emerging and advanced countries could not survive without a flow of cheap financing. Not only has new money from the FED driven equities, so has cheap money.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,102 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:
    Tail wagging the dog? Is there really any doubt that the FED has been driving equities? Really?

    Market is 40% higher than the end of that chart.....but no increase in Fed balance sheet. Another myth debunked.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

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