By the way, you earn points in my book for stepping and telling your side of the events. >>
Same goes for me.
I used to be somebody, now I'm just a coin collector. Recipient of the coveted "You Suck" award, April 2009 for cherrypicking a 1833 CBHD LM-5, and April 2022 for a 1835 LM-12, and again in Aug 2012 for picking off a 1952 FS-902.
Let's look at this another way. The buyer wanted the coin. Had the buyer not acted in haste, the buyer would have had the coin. Thus, the buyer screwed himself. Assuming he actually wanted it, that is.
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
<< <i>Let's look at this another way. The buyer wanted the coin. Had the buyer not acted in haste, the buyer would have had the coin. Thus, the buyer screwed himself. Assuming he actually wanted it, that is.
Russ, NCNE >>
I see your point and appreciate hearing from the Seller (OP) and the Buyer. We can all learn something from this..........
Once again your FACTS are wrong. Please quit lying. Amazing you are still here.
I never threatened a seller with a lawsuit.
You need to stop name calling and grow up.
<< <i>
<< <i>Rule 3) Anyone attacking another poster or making disparaging personal remarks will no longer be allowed to post. No more warnings.
Crypto, you have called another forum member a "Sleaze"
You have called me far worse in this Public Forum .
I can not understand why you have not been banned when you constantly break rule number 3.
Grow up, please. >>
Was anybody talking to you? or did your unimpressive comprehension of the comment just hit a little to close to home? If you go back and brush up on your reading skills and revisit my post you will see that i didn't call him sleaze. But since you are bringing up the past aren't you the guy who threatened to sue a house wife for backing out of an ebay auction where you were afraid you weren't going to being able to rip her off for 5K plus? But now you think it is ok for a seller to back out if there is some odd ball reason? weird
<< <i>This buyer, and many of you, are too quick to automatically assume that every mistake is a deliberate attempt to do wrong. This is a sad way to live life. >>
Unfortunately true. Most of the sellers and buyers are decent sorts who aren't trying to screw anyone and, of course, honest mistakes can and will be made. However there are sharks on both sides of the eBay equation that make life difficult for the good guys. eBay is getting a bad reputation. They knew that when they started not letting sellers leave anything but positive feedbacks but that just swung the pendulum in the other direction. Now bad buyers can game the system and the seller has little recourse. Non-paying bidders and other shifty buyers deserve a negative and eBay should automatically generate one anytime a bidder doesn't pay. However, and this is a big however, in this specific case I feel that a negative feedback was harsh but not unwarranted. The least I would have left is a neutral.
<< <i>Once again your FACTS are wrong. Please quit lying. Amazing you are still here.
I never threatened a seller with a lawsuit. >>
Well I am amazed you don't live in your mom basement so I guess we are even
about the "facts"- You asked the board to recommend an attorney if she didn't complete the sale and only backed down when a threatening email you sent got the desired effect and she shipping the coin. You were livid that a seller might back out of a rock solid deal like a ebay auction. What is wrong about those facts? Can always drag that thread back up and let you read your own words if you forgot how it went down? I wasn't saying anything about you, you're the one who brought my name into your words. That said I think that situation applies here and feel free to re-quote the part where I called someone sleazy that started your tiraid.
"when a threatening email you sent got the desired effect and she shipping the coin"
PLEASE stop LYING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MODS, crypto79 is LYING about this, I never sent a threatening email to the seller, or any seller ever!!!!!!!!!!!!
I did ask legal advice on this board, for two reasons, one for knowledge and two to get unethical people from contacting the seller trying to cash in on my very hard work.
what about these rules:
Rule 3) Anyone attacking another poster or making disparaging personal remarks will no longer be allowed to post. No more warnings.
Rule 4) Anyone making libelous remarks concerning any individual, any company, or any other entity will no longer be allowed to post. No more warnings.
cypto79, you call another forum member "sleazy" what a nice guy, you bring up two year old transactions and then LIE about it, what is problem, get help.
<< <i>Let's look at this another way. The buyer wanted the coin. Had the buyer not acted in haste, the buyer would have had the coin. Thus, the buyer screwed himself. Assuming he actually wanted it, that is. >>
I was saying this last night, but I don't get the sense that actually getting the coin to the buyer is the most important thing to a lot of people posting here.
<< <i>Let's look at this another way. The buyer wanted the coin. Had the buyer not acted in haste, the buyer would have had the coin. Thus, the buyer screwed himself. Assuming he actually wanted it, that is. >>
I was saying this last night, but I don't get the sense that actually getting the coin to the buyer is the most important thing to a lot of people posting here. >>
I also agree had things evovled more slowly from the buyer, it may have ended up positively.
However, we have all heard "excuses" from sellers.
The buyer thought it was just an excuse. However, the buyer could have felt out the seller to see if he'd finally follow through. The first mistake was the seller's. The second was moving too quickly by the buyer.
I'm still saying they could make up and complete the transaction and adjust the feedback.
Misunderstandings, confusion, lost sales and yadda , yadda and yadda. All it takes is just one situation as this to really screw you. That is why I prefer to conduct most of my coin business in person and preferably with folks I have had a history with. NO fee's , No negative feedback, no harassing e-mails...etc.etc.etc.. Call me old fashioned, but it works for me. Thank you to the Seller for taking time to come here and explain the rest of the story.
If you (the seller) realize you made a mistake, and value your feedback, you should've said let me see if I can unwind the non ebay deal. Or you could've offered the buyer a sincere apology and say allow me to put a double sawbuck in your Paypal account.
<< <i>If you (the seller) realize you made a mistake, and value your feedback, you should've said let me see if I can unwind the non ebay deal. >>
The seller did try to unwind the non-eBay deal. Wouldn't have hurt to have told the buyer that he was trying, of course, but he probably didn't expect to get negged less than a day after the auction ended, either.
I've not bought a coin in probably 5 years on Ebay. Never sold, never will on Ebay. But, if I did I wouldn't deal with most of the folks that always take their private deals public. Sure I can see it if it's a flat out scam. But all the whining over this and that is ridiculous IMO. And I especially will never deal with the same ones that come on here with a bias for the sellers, OR the buyers. Everybody is a big business man/woman..... till they're not.
I guess many enjoy the entertainment.
Please... Save The Stories, Just Answer My Questions, And Tell Me How Much!!!!!
<< <i>I was visiting at the home of a coin-collecting colleague and was watching my auctions using the e-bay app on my android phone. It was showing the countdown in real time, both minutes and seconds. As the time was counting down, including at the end, it showed zero bids at conclusion. >>
Zero bids?
The bid history shows that a bid was place about 59 minutes "before" the listing ended.
I fail to see how the OP missed this bid. But then, I dont really understand the listed bids. Member Id: o***o( 461) bid $363.00 yet Bayard's initial bid only shows $363.11? Was that Bayards actual bid?
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
<< <i>I was visiting at the home of a coin-collecting colleague and was watching my auctions using the e-bay app on my android phone. It was showing the countdown in real time, both minutes and seconds. As the time was counting down, including at the end, it showed zero bids at conclusion. >>
Zero bids?
The bid history shows that a bid was place about 59 minutes "before" the listing ended.
I fail to see how the OP missed this bid. But then, I dont really understand the listed bids. Member Id: o***o( 461) bid $363.00 yet Bayard's initial bid only shows $363.11? Was that Bayards actual bid? >>
The $363 was the underbidders highest bid amount. It would have shown as the $349 opening price when the bid of $363.11 was made in th e closing seconds of the auction
<< <i>The seller should just realize his mistake, sell the original coin to the original buyer (who ultimately was right after all of this since he did win the auction) and the seller should count his losses. >>
According to the OP, this was the plan. The buyer, by being in such a hurry to leave negative feedback, has complicated the situation. >>
Don't forget about the part where the seller started receiving eMails because of the thread which was started by the non-buyer. The attempt there, IMO, was to not just to leave the neg and block the seller but to get everybody else on the forums to block him as well!
While this is warranted in a lot of instances, folks should realize that there are many here that go above and beyond what is considered in "good taste" by sending out negative emails over a reported bad transaction. ("When i saw the negative feedback, I went wild and continued to get even angrier when i received e-bay emails from people who presumably had read his post on this forum.")
I do appreciate the occasional heads-up notification on some sellers patterns but this one was simply not the result of an eBay sellers "pattern". The buyer simply assumed so and felt the need to share, for whatever reasons.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
I can't believe this thread is still going....but it is.
And, knowing many of the players, I CAN believe that they don't read everything through, in both threads about this, before making comments
I also can't believe that some people still act like gradeschool kids crying that they will "tell the teacher you are breaking a rule". Nothing in this thread has been a real attack or super intense, but the rules are already being quoted. Wah! Just ignore and move on. It's too bad that that error coin thread wasn't still around and unedited because I do believe that thread got testy and legal action was intimated at...... That said, that isn't what THIS thread is about and so should be elsewhere.
Good move coming on here and clearing it up, again as others have said, its not the end of the world. I think you'll find that a lot of people on here go for the throat at the first sign of trouble. Enjoy Life!
so it has been brought to my attention that there was a bid about 1 hour before the auction ended. I believe that i indicated at the beginning i was looking at the ebay app on my android phone because i was not home with my computer and it was counting down time and showing me no bids.
i wanted the cash. I had already paid a heritage invoice for the replacement which was an ultra cam.
<< <i>so it has been brought to my attention that there was a bid about 1 hour before the auction ended. I believe that i indicated at the beginning i was looking at the ebay app on my android phone because i was not home with my computer and it was counting down time and showing me no bids. i wanted the cash. I had already paid a heritage invoice for the replacement which was an ultra cam. >>
So you started watching on your phone an hour before the auction ended? And I thought I was obsessive!
<< <i> Nothing in this thread has been a real attack or super intense,
>>
Yes when crypto 79 told an out right lie about me, defaming the way I do business.
He has repeated this lie a number of times over two years.
Why does he keep bring up an old transaction and LIE About it.
I don't get it. >>
Well, he believes in what he says.
The forum records show that you wanted a lawyer to contact the seller to get her to send you that coin:
The forum records also show that you did contact a lawyer:
The forum record does not show what actually happened but bringing a lawyer onto the scene does IMPLY legal action which could only be construed as a law suit. Whether your contract lawyer contacted the seller is unknown but what is known is that you now own a big ticket error coin (20K) that you paid $300 for and now have on your website for $40,000.
Had I or someone I know been the seller, you wouldn't have the coin.
I don't really see crypto as telling lies from what he see's.
And yes, this thread has turned in a different direction but "you" are the one that did the turning by attacking crypto for what he had posted and calling for his bamming.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
It's hard to do, but emotions should be kept out of business transactions. An amicable solution (probably) could have been reached here if everyone had taken a step back, chillaxed and communicated.
19Lyds, .... YES Crypto79 DID LIE and I am calling him out for being a LIAR!!!!!!!!!
HE said I EMAILED a THREAT to the seller, That NEVER HAPPENED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I never contacted the seller to threaten the seller in any way, did not happen.
TO BE CLEAR .......... THAT NEVER HAPPENED and CRYPTO 79 IS A LIAR
I did talk to a Lawyer on the phone, for free as I called his office. We never spoke again and no LAWYER sent a letter to the seller on my behalf.
Yes I did ask legal advice from the board and I wanted to keep all my options open. That part is True. I wanted information which is a good thing.
AND let me ask you this...............
What is this thread about and why is their only one photo in this very long thread, and the photo has nothing to do with the OP.
Why was this photo brought up in the first place and then why where LIES told about it???????
So childish.
Why did Crypto go after me (again) this time, well because I called him out for calling a brand new Forum Member a "Sleaze" which was uncalled for and not allowed on these boards and I can't understand why he constantly gets away with it.
<< <i>19Lyds, .... YES Crypto79 DID LIE and I am calling him out for being a LIAR!!!!!!!!!
HE said I EMAILED a THREAT to the seller, That NEVER HAPPENED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I never contacted the seller to threaten the seller in any way, did not happen.
TO BE CLEAR .......... THAT NEVER HAPPENED and CRYPTO 79 IS A LIAR
I did talk to a Lawyer on the phone, for free as I called his office. We never spoke again and no LAWYER sent a letter to the seller on my behalf.
Yes I did ask legal advice from the board and I wanted to keep all my options open. That part is True. I wanted information which is a good thing.
AND let me ask you this...............
What is this thread about and why is their only one photo in this very long thread, and the photo has nothing to do with the OP.
Why was this photo brought up in the first place and then why where LIES told about it???????
So childish.
Why did Crypto go after me (again) this time, well because I called him out for calling a brand new Forum Member a "Sleaze" which was uncalled for and not allowed on these boards and I can't understand why he constantly gets away with it. >>
Are you trying to get yourself banned?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Why did Crypto go after me (again) this time, well because I called him out for calling a brand new Forum Member a "Sleaze" which was uncalled for and not allowed on these boards and I can't understand why he constantly gets away with it.
He did not call the member a "sleaze". I believe he called him "a random sleaze-bay seller". Big difference.
<< <i>Why did Crypto go after me (again) this time, well because I called him out for calling a brand new Forum Member a "Sleaze" which was uncalled for and not allowed on these boards and I can't understand why he constantly gets away with it.
He did not call the member a "sleaze". I believe he called him "a random sleaze-bay seller". Big difference. >>
Oh, that makes all the difference in the world, what a nice guy to call a brand new forum member that.
The forum record does not show what actually happened but bringing a lawyer onto the scene does IMPLY legal action which could only be construed as a law suit. Whether your contract lawyer contacted the seller is unknown but what is known is that you now own a big ticket error coin (20K) that you paid $300 for and now have on your website for $40,000.
Had I or someone I know been the seller, you wouldn't have the coin.
I don't really see crypto as telling lies from what he see's.
And yes, this thread has turned in a different direction but "you" are the one that did the turning by attacking crypto for what he had posted and calling for his bamming. >>
Wow, this guy ripped off some lady on a 20k coin for $300? She's the one who should have gotten a lawyer. How could anyone sleep at night after doing that?
<< <i>Why did Crypto go after me (again) this time, well because I called him out for calling a brand new Forum Member a "Sleaze" which was uncalled for and not allowed on these boards and I can't understand why he constantly gets away with it.
He did not call the member a "sleaze". I believe he called him "a random sleaze-bay seller". Big difference. >>
Oh, that makes all the difference in the world, what a nice guy to call a brand new forum member that. >>
It is a huge difference. "Sleaze-bay" refers to ebay, not the seller. Many people refer to ebay as "sleaze-bay" because of the depravity of the venue.
Crypto 79 direct quote ..... "That said I think that situation applies here and feel free to re-quote the part where I called someone sleazy that started your tiraid"
He says he called someone "Sleazy" himself so that is what he meant.
Nice that you defend Crypto for calling a NEW member sleazy and then going after me with lies on a two year old subject.
<< <i>Crypto 79 direct quote ..... "That said I think that situation applies here and feel free to re-quote the part where I called someone sleazy that started your tiraid"
He says he called someone "Sleazy" himself so that is what he meant.
Nice that you defend Crypto for calling a NEW member a sleaze and then going after me with lies. >>
Yes, he said feel free to re-quote it because he did not say that. He was challenging to find where he called someone sleazy. Duh!
That's okay. Keep arguing the point. GoldClause now thinks you ripped an old lady.
<< <i>Crypto 79 direct quote ..... "That said I think that situation applies here and feel free to re-quote the part where I called someone sleazy that started your tiraid"
He says he called someone "Sleazy" himself so that is what he meant.
Nice that you defend Crypto for calling a NEW member sleazy and then going after me with lies on a two year old subject. >>
To be fair... He asked you to show where he called someone "sleazy", he did NOT call someone sleazy. He called eBay "sleaze-Bay", as have many posters to this forum. Can we just let this drop now? Please?
I Apologize for standing up for a NEW Forum Member.
This is what Crypto said about a new forum member , and what a nice way to welcome a new member ..... and what stated his lies about me
"Seller is a tool and that is assuming he isn't just full of it to begin with. Hes actions follow bad business 101 human nature and I am surprised that the board would pile on one of our own for a random sleaze-bay seller who is wrong. "
I Promise Not to Defend another forum member when he's called names like a "tool" or a "random sleaze-bay seller"
Anyone who brings a lawyer up when trying to get a 40k dollar coin for $300 isn't who i ever want to deal with... all that is is greed.
edited to add - Welcome to the forum spendabuckeye hope once this all dies down you'll stay. Looks like a real nice cam pf 3 cent nickel you had in your collection.
<< <i>I Apologize for standing up for a NEW Forum Member.
This is what Crypto said about a new forum member , and what a nice way to welcome a new member ..... and what stated his lies about me
"Seller is a tool and that is assuming he isn't just full of it to begin with. Hes actions follow bad business 101 human nature and I am surprised that the board would pile on one of our own for a random sleaze-bay seller who is wrong. "
I Promise Not to Defend another forum member when he's called names like a "tool" or a "random sleaze-bay seller" >>
If you read my reply to crypto from yesterday, I disagreed with crypto and defended the seller without calling out crypto, demanding that he be banned from the forum, and getting myself into a tussle in which everyone piled on me instead. I guess there's an art to it (either way).
<< <i>Crypto 79 direct quote ..... "That said I think that situation applies here and feel free to re-quote the part where I called someone sleazy that started your tiraid"
He says he called someone "Sleazy" himself so that is what he meant.
Nice that you defend Crypto for calling a NEW member sleazy and then going after me with lies on a two year old subject. >>
Wow.
Communication 101 wasn't someone's strongest class was it?
Might I recommend a rereading what was said? Such as: "feel free to re-quote the part where <insert "you think"> I called someone sleazy that started your tiraid?"
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
Seller puts up a coin for sale and determines the price. I buy the coin. How did I rip anyone off. >>
I don't think you ripped anybody off.
It's absolutely no different than all the folks out there going to one of these Hotel Gold Buyers and getting $300 for each $20 gold piece they bring in.
But...............
Please refrain from talking about ethics or good business practices. It kinda rubs folks the wrong way.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
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<< <i>Welcome to the forum.
By the way, you earn points in my book for stepping and telling your side of the events. >>
Same goes for me.
Recipient of the coveted "You Suck" award, April 2009 for cherrypicking a 1833 CBHD LM-5, and April 2022 for a 1835 LM-12, and again in Aug 2012 for picking off a 1952 FS-902.
I agree the Neg was given too quickly. The seller did try to make it right after the initial problem and does deserve due credit here.
Russ, NCNE
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
<< <i>Let's look at this another way. The buyer wanted the coin. Had the buyer not acted in haste, the buyer would have had the coin. Thus, the buyer screwed himself. Assuming he actually wanted it, that is.
Russ, NCNE >>
I see your point and appreciate hearing from the Seller (OP) and the Buyer. We can all learn something from this..........
I never threatened a seller with a lawsuit.
You need to stop name calling and grow up.
<< <i>
<< <i>Rule 3) Anyone attacking another poster or making disparaging personal remarks will no longer be allowed to post. No more warnings.
Crypto, you have called another forum member a "Sleaze"
You have called me far worse in this Public Forum .
I can not understand why you have not been banned when you constantly break rule number 3.
Grow up, please. >>
Was anybody talking to you? or did your unimpressive comprehension of the comment just hit a little to close to home? If you go back and brush up on your reading skills and revisit my post you will see that i didn't call him sleaze. But since you are bringing up the past aren't you the guy who threatened to sue a house wife for backing out of an ebay auction where you were afraid you weren't going to being able to rip her off for 5K plus? But now you think it is ok for a seller to back out if there is some odd ball reason? weird
In fact if I recall you bragged about just the other day
"Keep your malarkey filter in good operating order" -Walter Breen
<< <i>This buyer, and many of you, are too quick to automatically assume that every mistake is a deliberate attempt to do wrong. This is a sad way to live life. >>
Unfortunately true.
Most of the sellers and buyers are decent sorts who aren't trying to screw anyone and, of course, honest mistakes can and will be made.
However there are sharks on both sides of the eBay equation that make life difficult for the good guys.
eBay is getting a bad reputation.
They knew that when they started not letting sellers leave anything but positive feedbacks but that just swung the pendulum in the other direction.
Now bad buyers can game the system and the seller has little recourse.
Non-paying bidders and other shifty buyers deserve a negative and eBay should automatically generate one anytime a bidder doesn't pay.
However, and this is a big however, in this specific case I feel that a negative feedback was harsh but not unwarranted. The least I would have left is a neutral.
<< <i>Once again your FACTS are wrong. Please quit lying. Amazing you are still here.
I never threatened a seller with a lawsuit.
>>
Well I am amazed you don't live in your mom basement so I guess we are even
about the "facts"- You asked the board to recommend an attorney if she didn't complete the sale and only backed down when a threatening email you sent got the desired effect and she shipping the coin. You were livid that a seller might back out of a rock solid deal like a ebay auction. What is wrong about those facts? Can always drag that thread back up and let you read your own words if you forgot how it went down? I wasn't saying anything about you, you're the one who brought my name into your words. That said I think that situation applies here and feel free to re-quote the part where I called someone sleazy that started your tiraid.
PLEASE stop LYING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MODS, crypto79 is LYING about this, I never sent a threatening email to the seller, or any seller ever!!!!!!!!!!!!
I did ask legal advice on this board, for two reasons, one for knowledge and two to get unethical people from contacting the seller trying to cash in on my very hard work.
what about these rules:
Rule 3) Anyone attacking another poster or making disparaging personal remarks will no longer be allowed to post. No more warnings.
Rule 4) Anyone making libelous remarks concerning any individual, any company, or any other entity will no longer be allowed to post. No more warnings.
cypto79, you call another forum member "sleazy" what a nice guy, you bring up two year old transactions and then LIE about it, what is problem, get help.
<< <i>Let's look at this another way. The buyer wanted the coin. Had the buyer not acted in haste, the buyer would have had the coin. Thus, the buyer screwed himself. Assuming he actually wanted it, that is. >>
I was saying this last night, but I don't get the sense that actually getting the coin to the buyer is the most important thing to a lot of people posting here.
<< <i>
<< <i>Let's look at this another way. The buyer wanted the coin. Had the buyer not acted in haste, the buyer would have had the coin. Thus, the buyer screwed himself. Assuming he actually wanted it, that is. >>
I was saying this last night, but I don't get the sense that actually getting the coin to the buyer is the most important thing to a lot of people posting here. >>
I also agree had things evovled more slowly from the buyer, it may have ended up positively.
However, we have all heard "excuses" from sellers.
The buyer thought it was just an excuse. However, the buyer could have felt out the seller to see if he'd finally follow through. The first mistake was the seller's. The second was moving too quickly by the buyer.
I'm still saying they could make up and complete the transaction and adjust the feedback.
<< <i>If you (the seller) realize you made a mistake, and value your feedback, you should've said let me see if I can unwind the non ebay deal. >>
The seller did try to unwind the non-eBay deal. Wouldn't have hurt to have told the buyer that he was trying, of course, but he probably didn't expect to get negged less than a day after the auction ended, either.
I guess many enjoy the entertainment.
<< <i>I was visiting at the home of a coin-collecting colleague and was watching my auctions using the e-bay app on my android phone. It was showing the countdown in real time, both minutes and seconds. As the time was counting down, including at the end, it showed zero bids at conclusion. >>
Zero bids?
The bid history shows that a bid was place about 59 minutes "before" the listing ended.
I fail to see how the OP missed this bid. But then, I dont really understand the listed bids. Member Id: o***o( 461) bid $363.00 yet Bayard's initial bid only shows $363.11? Was that Bayards actual bid?
The name is LEE!
<< <i>
<< <i>I was visiting at the home of a coin-collecting colleague and was watching my auctions using the e-bay app on my android phone. It was showing the countdown in real time, both minutes and seconds. As the time was counting down, including at the end, it showed zero bids at conclusion. >>
Zero bids?
The bid history shows that a bid was place about 59 minutes "before" the listing ended.
I fail to see how the OP missed this bid. But then, I dont really understand the listed bids. Member Id: o***o( 461) bid $363.00 yet Bayard's initial bid only shows $363.11? Was that Bayards actual bid? >>
The $363 was the underbidders highest bid amount. It would have shown as the $349 opening price when the bid of $363.11 was made in th e closing seconds of the auction
<< <i>
<< <i>The seller should just realize his mistake, sell the original coin to the original buyer (who ultimately was right after all of this since he did win the auction) and the seller should count his losses. >>
According to the OP, this was the plan. The buyer, by being in such a hurry to leave negative feedback, has complicated the situation. >>
Don't forget about the part where the seller started receiving eMails because of the thread which was started by the non-buyer. The attempt there, IMO, was to not just to leave the neg and block the seller but to get everybody else on the forums to block him as well!
While this is warranted in a lot of instances, folks should realize that there are many here that go above and beyond what is considered in "good taste" by sending out negative emails over a reported bad transaction. ("When i saw the negative feedback, I went wild and continued to get even angrier when i received e-bay emails from people who presumably had read his post on this forum.")
I do appreciate the occasional heads-up notification on some sellers patterns but this one was simply not the result of an eBay sellers "pattern". The buyer simply assumed so and felt the need to share, for whatever reasons.
The name is LEE!
And, knowing many of the players, I CAN believe that they don't read everything through, in both threads about this, before making comments
I also can't believe that some people still act like gradeschool kids crying that they will "tell the teacher you are breaking a rule". Nothing in this thread has been a real attack or super intense, but the rules are already being quoted. Wah! Just ignore and move on. It's too bad that that error coin thread wasn't still around and unedited because I do believe that thread got testy and legal action was intimated at...... That said, that isn't what THIS thread is about and so should be elsewhere.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i> Nothing in this thread has been a real attack or super intense,
Yes when crypto 79 told an out right lie about me, defaming the way I do business.
He has repeated this lie a number of times over two years.
Why does he keep bring up an old transaction and LIE About it.
I don't get it.
i wanted the cash. I had already paid a heritage invoice for the replacement which was an ultra cam.
<< <i>so it has been brought to my attention that there was a bid about 1 hour before the auction ended. I believe that i indicated at the beginning i was looking at the ebay app on my android phone because i was not home with my computer and it was counting down time and showing me no bids.
i wanted the cash. I had already paid a heritage invoice for the replacement which was an ultra cam. >>
So you started watching on your phone an hour before the auction ended?
And I thought I was obsessive!
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<< <i> Nothing in this thread has been a real attack or super intense,
Yes when crypto 79 told an out right lie about me, defaming the way I do business.
He has repeated this lie a number of times over two years.
Why does he keep bring up an old transaction and LIE About it.
I don't get it. >>
Well, he believes in what he says.
The forum records show that you wanted a lawyer to contact the seller to get her to send you that coin:
The forum records also show that you did contact a lawyer:
The forum record does not show what actually happened but bringing a lawyer onto the scene does IMPLY legal action which could only be construed as a law suit. Whether your contract lawyer contacted the seller is unknown but what is known is that you now own a big ticket error coin (20K) that you paid $300 for and now have on your website for $40,000.
Had I or someone I know been the seller, you wouldn't have the coin.
I don't really see crypto as telling lies from what he see's.
And yes, this thread has turned in a different direction but "you" are the one that did the turning by attacking crypto for what he had posted and calling for his bamming.
The name is LEE!
HE said I EMAILED a THREAT to the seller, That NEVER HAPPENED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I never contacted the seller to threaten the seller in any way, did not happen.
TO BE CLEAR .......... THAT NEVER HAPPENED and CRYPTO 79 IS A LIAR
I did talk to a Lawyer on the phone, for free as I called his office. We never spoke again and no LAWYER sent a letter to the seller on my behalf.
Yes I did ask legal advice from the board and I wanted to keep all my options open. That part is True. I wanted information which is a good thing.
AND let me ask you this...............
What is this thread about and why is their only one photo in this very long thread, and the photo has nothing to do with the OP.
Why was this photo brought up in the first place and then why where LIES told about it???????
So childish.
Why did Crypto go after me (again) this time, well because I called him out for calling a brand new Forum Member a "Sleaze" which was uncalled for and not allowed on these boards and I can't understand why he constantly gets away with it.
<< <i>19Lyds, .... YES Crypto79 DID LIE and I am calling him out for being a LIAR!!!!!!!!!
HE said I EMAILED a THREAT to the seller, That NEVER HAPPENED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I never contacted the seller to threaten the seller in any way, did not happen.
TO BE CLEAR .......... THAT NEVER HAPPENED and CRYPTO 79 IS A LIAR
I did talk to a Lawyer on the phone, for free as I called his office. We never spoke again and no LAWYER sent a letter to the seller on my behalf.
Yes I did ask legal advice from the board and I wanted to keep all my options open. That part is True. I wanted information which is a good thing.
AND let me ask you this...............
What is this thread about and why is their only one photo in this very long thread, and the photo has nothing to do with the OP.
Why was this photo brought up in the first place and then why where LIES told about it???????
So childish.
Why did Crypto go after me (again) this time, well because I called him out for calling a brand new Forum Member a "Sleaze" which was uncalled for and not allowed on these boards and I can't understand why he constantly gets away with it. >>
Are you trying to get yourself banned?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
He did not call the member a "sleaze". I believe he called him "a random sleaze-bay seller". Big difference.
<< <i>Are you trying to get yourself banned? >>
Not at all, I just don't take it lightly when someone LIES about the way I do business.
I try my hardest every single day in two different businesses.
I will not stand for someone Lying about me, what if he lied about you?
<< <i>Why did Crypto go after me (again) this time, well because I called him out for calling a brand new Forum Member a "Sleaze" which was uncalled for and not allowed on these boards and I can't understand why he constantly gets away with it.
He did not call the member a "sleaze". I believe he called him "a random sleaze-bay seller". Big difference. >>
Oh, that makes all the difference in the world, what a nice guy to call a brand new forum member that.
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The forum record does not show what actually happened but bringing a lawyer onto the scene does IMPLY legal action which could only be construed as a law suit. Whether your contract lawyer contacted the seller is unknown but what is known is that you now own a big ticket error coin (20K) that you paid $300 for and now have on your website for $40,000.
Had I or someone I know been the seller, you wouldn't have the coin.
I don't really see crypto as telling lies from what he see's.
And yes, this thread has turned in a different direction but "you" are the one that did the turning by attacking crypto for what he had posted and calling for his bamming. >>
Wow, this guy ripped off some lady on a 20k coin for $300? She's the one who should have gotten a lawyer. How could anyone sleep at night after doing that?
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<< <i>Why did Crypto go after me (again) this time, well because I called him out for calling a brand new Forum Member a "Sleaze" which was uncalled for and not allowed on these boards and I can't understand why he constantly gets away with it.
He did not call the member a "sleaze". I believe he called him "a random sleaze-bay seller". Big difference. >>
Oh, that makes all the difference in the world, what a nice guy to call a brand new forum member that. >>
It is a huge difference. "Sleaze-bay" refers to ebay, not the seller. Many people refer to ebay as "sleaze-bay" because of the depravity of the venue.
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<< <i>Are you trying to get yourself banned? >>
Not at all, I just don't take it lightly when someone LIES about the way I do business.
I try my hardest every single day in two different businesses.
I will not stand for someone Lying about me, what if he lied about you? >>
If you had let it drop, your business practices never would have been called into question. Keep arguing...
That is why I am so PO'd that someone would LIE about what happened,
By the way, welcome Spendabuckeye.
Rule 3) Anyone attacking another poster or making disparaging personal remarks will no longer be allowed to post. No more warnings.
Crypto, you have called another forum member a "Sleaze"
You are the one who misspoke. Crypto never called anyone a sleaze. By attacking Crypto, you drew the attack toward yourself. And so it goes.
He says he called someone "Sleazy" himself so that is what he meant.
Nice that you defend Crypto for calling a NEW member sleazy and then going after me with lies on a two year old subject.
<< <i>Crypto 79 direct quote ..... "That said I think that situation applies here and feel free to re-quote the part where I called someone sleazy that started your tiraid"
He says he called someone "Sleazy" himself so that is what he meant.
Nice that you defend Crypto for calling a NEW member a sleaze and then going after me with lies. >>
Yes, he said feel free to re-quote it because he did not say that. He was challenging to find where he called someone sleazy. Duh!
That's okay. Keep arguing the point. GoldClause now thinks you ripped an old lady.
Seller puts up a coin for sale and determines the price. I buy the coin. How did I rip anyone off.
<< <i>Crypto 79 direct quote ..... "That said I think that situation applies here and feel free to re-quote the part where I called someone sleazy that started your tiraid"
He says he called someone "Sleazy" himself so that is what he meant.
Nice that you defend Crypto for calling a NEW member sleazy and then going after me with lies on a two year old subject. >>
To be fair...
He asked you to show where he called someone "sleazy", he did NOT call someone sleazy.
He called eBay "sleaze-Bay", as have many posters to this forum.
Can we just let this drop now? Please?
<< <i>I ripped no one off.
Seller puts up a coin for sale and determines the price. I buy the coin. How did I rip anyone off. >>
I never said you did...just like crypto never called anyone "sleazy".
This is what Crypto said about a new forum member , and what a nice way to welcome a new member ..... and what stated his lies about me
"Seller is a tool and that is assuming he isn't just full of it to begin with. Hes actions follow bad business 101 human nature and I am surprised that the board would pile on one of our own for a random sleaze-bay seller who is wrong. "
I Promise Not to Defend another forum member when he's called names like a "tool" or a "random sleaze-bay seller"
<< <i>ErrorsOnCoins thanks for bringing this all out i now have 1 more person on my list of not to buy from and no it's not the seller from ebay
Please look at my ebay feedback and my auctions.
I thank you for you comment.
edited to add - Welcome to the forum spendabuckeye hope once this all dies down you'll stay. Looks like a real nice cam pf 3 cent nickel you had in your collection.
<< <i>I Apologize for standing up for a NEW Forum Member.
This is what Crypto said about a new forum member , and what a nice way to welcome a new member ..... and what stated his lies about me
"Seller is a tool and that is assuming he isn't just full of it to begin with. Hes actions follow bad business 101 human nature and I am surprised that the board would pile on one of our own for a random sleaze-bay seller who is wrong. "
I Promise Not to Defend another forum member when he's called names like a "tool" or a "random sleaze-bay seller" >>
If you read my reply to crypto from yesterday, I disagreed with crypto and defended the seller without calling out crypto, demanding that he be banned from the forum, and getting myself into a tussle in which everyone piled on me instead. I guess there's an art to it (either way).
<< <i>Crypto 79 direct quote ..... "That said I think that situation applies here and feel free to re-quote the part where I called someone sleazy that started your tiraid"
He says he called someone "Sleazy" himself so that is what he meant.
Nice that you defend Crypto for calling a NEW member sleazy and then going after me with lies on a two year old subject. >>
Wow.
Communication 101 wasn't someone's strongest class was it?
Might I recommend a rereading what was said? Such as: "feel free to re-quote the part where <insert "you think"> I called someone sleazy that started your tiraid?"
The name is LEE!
<< <i>I ripped no one off.
Seller puts up a coin for sale and determines the price. I buy the coin. How did I rip anyone off. >>
I don't think you ripped anybody off.
It's absolutely no different than all the folks out there going to one of these Hotel Gold Buyers and getting $300 for each $20 gold piece they bring in.
But...............
Please refrain from talking about ethics or good business practices. It kinda rubs folks the wrong way.
The name is LEE!