It was very hard deciding to part with some of these immensely rare premium examples, which took me years to assemble, but I really feel I had taken the set as far as I could, without treading into common PSA 10 waters. And that would prohibit me from chasing big cards I long for, like a Ruth RC or high grade Aaron RC, for example.
I look at cards like the Bochte and Dreissen and Cliff Johnson and Cruz and many others-- those are some slept-on tough-as-nails cards. Sometimes a few notorious commons get all the attention, but what I love so much about this set is that there are so many commons that are sneaky hard to find in solid 9 grade.
Jim, maybe you could help me assemble a nice raw set (without the Brett, Yount, Ryan #5 and #500, and Aaron #660). I really would love to maintain a nice raw set that presents well in a binder, so I can look at them often (whereas I stored my set in bank lockers). Send me a PM if you have one lying around. I care only about centering and not corners for such a set.
You guys are the experts. Had a pack sitting around for many years. These came from that one pack. What do you guys think they will grade? I should have scanned them individually. The top of the Swisher card is clean.
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Doug
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The Sanders has 8 centering by my eye (it's centered a little low); if a card is going to be slightly off center top to bottom, in my experience you have a better chance at a 9 if the card is centered high rather than low like the Sanders shown.
Due to what appears to be a touch to the lower left corner, the Swisher looks like an 8 to me, but maybe a 9 "on a good day." The others look like easy 9's or better.
Congrats on a very nice pack!
Edited to say that I missed that the blue area of the Roberts card is a little lighter than "normal," which I think would limit the card to no higher than a 9. Note how bold the colors are on the Ellis for comparison. That card is gorgeous.
The Ellis really does pop at you and there really seems to be a emphasis on vivid cards lately, so I'd definately send that in along with the Roberts. Swisher is too common to send in unless you feel you have a better than even shot at a 9 and even then, it isn't a money card.
I was reminscing this morning and looked back to my first ever sub with psa, 50 minis back in 2006...27 PSA 9s... it gives you an idea of how much easier things were back then. I would be lying if I said my eye was better then or that I had better raw. If I hit 54% of 9s today on a rack case break I'd do jumping jacks...
<< I look at cards like the Bochte and Dreissen and Cliff Johnson and Cruz and many others-- those are some slept-on tough-as-nails cards. >>
From MattyC's mouth to the grader's ears.... poppage from the recent rip on the B/S/T board including a nice Bochte and a nice Messersmith...
The first 19 were from the rip, the rest are just ones I keep sending in on N6 vouchers that don't seem to break through (and therefore are forgettable):
Order #20578846 / Submission #726623 Line # Item # Cert # Grade Description Type 1 1 19758448 MINT 9 1975 TOPPS MINI 392 BRUCE BOCHTE Card 2 1 19758449 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1975 TOPPS MINI 500 NOLAN RYAN Card 3 1 19758450 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1975 TOPPS MINI 143 CLIFF JOHNSON Card 4 1 19758451 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1975 TOPPS MINI 418 LEO FOSTER Card 5 1 19758452 MINT 9 1975 TOPPS MINI 279 MILT MAY Card 6 1 19758453 MINT 9 1975 TOPPS MINI 87 GEORGE FOSTER Card 7 1 19758454 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1975 TOPPS MINI 292 RON SCHUELER Card 8 1 19758455 MINT 9 1975 TOPPS MINI 347 MIKE CALDWELL Card 9 1 19758456 MINT 9 1975 TOPPS MINI 650 DAVE MAY Card 10 1 19758457 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 ST 1975 TOPPS MINI 204 1966-MVP'S F.ROBINSON/R.CLEMENTE Card 11 1 19758458 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1975 TOPPS MINI 196 1958-MVP'S J.JENSEN/E.BANKS Card 12 1 19758459 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1975 TOPPS MINI 480 CARLOS MAY Card 13 1 19758460 MINT 9 1975 TOPPS MINI 593 GENE LAMONT Card 14 1 19758461 EXCELLENT 5 1975 TOPPS MINI 444 GENE GARBER Card 15 1 19758462 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1975 TOPPS MINI 421 METS TEAM YOGI BERRA, MGR. Card 16 1 19758463 NEAR MINT 7 1975 TOPPS MINI 80 CARLTON FISK Card 17 1 19758464 MINT 9 1975 TOPPS MINI 605 JOHN ELLIS Card 18 1 19758465 GEM MINT 10 1975 TOPPS MINI 440 ANDY MESSERSMITH Card 19 1 19758466 MINT 9 ST 1975 TOPPS MINI 330 MIKE MARSHALL Card
20 1 19758467 MINT 9 OC 1975 TOPPS MINI 640 HARMON KILLEBREW Card 21 1 19758468 MINT 9 PD 1975 TOPPS MINI 600 ROD CAREW Card 22 1 19758469 NEAR MINT 7 1975 TOPPS MINI 647 CLAUDELL WASHINGTON Card 23 1 19758470 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1975 TOPPS MINI 158 JERRY GROTE Card 24 1 19758471 NEAR MINT 7 1975 TOPPS MINI 513 DICK POLE Card 25 1 19758472 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1975 TOPPS MINI 514 JOSE CRUZ Card 26 1 19758473 MINT 9 PD 1975 TOPPS MINI 31 DAVE RADER Card 27 1 19758474 MINT 9 PD 1975 TOPPS MINI 322 ED GOODSON Card 28 1 19758475 NEAR MINT 7 1975 TOPPS MINI 335 JIM PALMER Card 29 1 19758476 MINT 9 PD 1975 TOPPS MINI 564 TOMMY DAVIS Card 30 1 19758477 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1975 TOPPS MINI 253 JESUS ALOU Card 31 1 19758478 MINT 9 PD 1975 TOPPS MINI 173 STEVE ROGERS Card 32 1 19758479 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1975 TOPPS MINI 180 JOE MORGAN Card 33 1 19758480 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1975 TOPPS MINI 178 CESAR TOVAR Card 34 1 19758481 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1975 TOPPS MINI 53 DAVE GIUSTI Card 35 1 19758482 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1975 TOPPS MINI 150 BOB GIBSON Card 36 1 19758483 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1975 TOPPS MINI 178 CESAR TOVAR Card 37 1 19758484 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1975 TOPPS MINI 297 CRAIG KUSICK Card 38 1 19758485 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1975 TOPPS MINI 162 WILLIE MONTANEZ Card 39 1 19758486 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1975 TOPPS MINI 127 GLENN BORGMANN Card 40 1 19758487 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1975 TOPPS MINI 79 GARY MATTHEWS Card 41 1 19758488 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1975 TOPPS MINI 484 GLENN BECKERT Card 42 1 19758489 MINT 9 PD 1975 TOPPS MINI 173 STEVE ROGERS Card 43 1 19758490 EXCELLENT 5 1963 TOPPS 18 BUC BLASTERS Card 44 1 19758491 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1976 TOPPS 550 HANK AARON Card 45 1 19758492 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1973 TOPPS 149 DAVE SCHULTZ Card Total Items: 45 Date Received: 2/15/2012 Date Shipped: N/A Order Status: OK
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Thanks guys. I'm hoping the Ellis (and maybe Sanders) come back big.
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Just been looking over the mini pops and sale frequency; here are some other cards that are under the radar beasts...
The Claudell and Davis and Tanana and some others like Alou, Cruz, Etchebarren, Burleson, and #460 have historically tended to get all the attention. But one can't sleep on these guys...
Dan Driessen Bill Greif Cliff Johnson Pedro Borbon Steve Hargan Jim Fregosi (often misspelled Fergosi) Mike Hegan Brooks Robinson Don Gullet Richie Zisk Ron Reed Denny Doyle Hutton Goodson Bando Ed Herrman Barry Foote Carl Morton Steve Yeager Maximino Leon Bob Stinson Will McEnaney Cedeno Niekro Ted Martinez Heidemann
I'm sure there are more that also deserve mention. Look how many tough pops are in this set after all the material broken open in recent years!
That's a good list, Matthew. I would add Burleson to it too. It was one of the last cards I found in PSA 8 for my set and there are only 5 PSA 9s with no 10s.
***Oops. I didn't see you mentioned Bureleson initially. I'm an idiot. Carry on.
A couple of star cards that fit the category of "sleeper" in 8 or above would be the Gibson and Garvey face cards. I think only two Gibsons in 8 showed up on eBay during all of 2011, and Garvey always seems to be centered low. There's nothing easy about finding a Gibson without PD or a Garvey that is not OC.
Garvey has always been kind of high profile with periods of forgetfulness. Even years ago, the rare 9 went for well over $500. The 8s have at times slumped as people forget how hard a card it is, then they pop when one doesnt show for a while.
Gibson is sooooo under the radar imho. Finding a full, pd free 8 is a true bear, yet he typically sells for less than similar cards like Dreissen, Milbourne, Johnson, etc. You could really make a case for a good psa 8 Gibson being worth $100~, though it has never commanded it.
Too true. He's Bob Effen Gibson for crying out loud. I think the Rollie Fingers should also be worth WAY more-- though it has done well in the past.
My Gibson on the bay right now is pretty awesome (IMO). Full sized, sick centering, and no aggressive crackle/bleed on the top.
EDIT: In fact I'm tempted right now to pull the auction and submit that badboy for review!
And while we're at it throw Palmer in there. He is so slept-on as a player and as a Mini in PSA 9 grade. A full one is a tough find.
I think the guy won 20 games 8 times and finished with a career ERA in the 2.00's. If the Yankees ever had a pitcher like that he'd be revered as a god and his cards would be worth $$$$. Guidry was good but not as good as Palmer, IMO. Same for Moose, Cone, Clemens' best years were not with Yanks and he's got a stink on him now. I'd rather have Palmer than CC also.
A Jim Palmer that fills the holder in PSA 9.... very tough indeed! Like the Rose.....with Palmer there are very few that fill the holder in the highest grade!
If we keep cracking packs like the ones we fust finished on the group rip, the low pops are in danger, LOL..
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Finally broke down and ripped one of my 1975 mini racks (thanks to some encouragement from Jim, LOL), and pulled these beauties right from the sleeve:
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I am actively buying MIKE SCHMIDT gem mint baseball cards. Also looking for any 19th century cabinets of Philadephia Nationals. Please PM with additional details.
On a different note: If anyone was wondering whether there was pent up demand for premium minis, tonight should have answered that pretty emphatically. Grats on some nice prices there Matty. I do believe you were helped nicely by the return of an old friend.
I bid on 34 cards today... and did not win a single one. Something like that has not happened in years and as a collector who sells, tells me that the scales may have finally tipped to demand outweighing supply for the first time since the Conlon sale.
Thanks, guys! I will keep the board posted when the grades come in..
I bid on 34 cards today... and did not win a single one. Something like that has not happened in years and as a collector who sells, tells me that the scales may have finally tipped to demand outweighing supply for the first time since the Conlon sale.
Ditto that...I had about 10 snipes set and was outsniped and/or outbid on each one...would have won a couple at pretty reasonable prices if the buyer that won all of them hadn't bid, LOL..
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Ok, so I recently won a couple of PSA graded 75 Minis in an auction and received them today. Can someone tell me why the card fits perfectly in one holder and the other has some some sort of clear plastic and the card doesn't quite fit all that well???
<< <i>Ok, so I recently won a couple of PSA graded 75 Minis in an auction and received them today. Can someone tell me why the card fits perfectly in one holder and the other has some some sort of clear plastic and the card doesn't quite fit all that well??? >>
Without seeing the card, my assumption is that it was oversized (cut larger at the factory) and therefore didn't fit in the standard mini holder. Did they put it in a regular size card holder with the mylar sleeve? I have a couple of oversized regular cards from various years that are put in the 1952-55 size holders with a mylar sleeve.
Who knows, we might really see a set finally challenge the one that's been #1 forever... That would be an awesome feat. God knows I once tried so hard!
In answer to the question about the slabs: back in the day PSA used both the inner sleeve and the smaller holder. I'm sure they can reholder them to suit one's taste. I always kind of like the sleeve myself. Could also be oversized.
I'm especially curious to see how these cards do, considering their extreme rarity. These were among the hardest for me to part with; real sources of pride in my set. But I knew if I kept any non-stars, they would beckon/tempt me to do the set again soon
I guess this is my last chance to reminisce over these...
649 Heidemann (can you believe NEVER A PSA 9 SOLD at any auction? It's cards like this that make this set so outrageously tough. About how many cards in all other sets can this be said?)
362 Steve Hargan (only 2 have ever sold. Again, almost unbelievable. In my top five slept-on cards of this set, hands-down.)
339 Fregosi (another of my top slept-on minis; seriously, how ridiculous is this card? I hardly get it in packs, let alone massively OC and PD)
345 Carroll (two sales ever. 2011 and 2007. That's it. Full and red/yellow to me is like saying blonde and huge bombs)
268 Hal McRae (pop 6. Only 3 sales EVER. Most recent in 2009.)
647 Claudell (PSA 8, but full AND no tilt; the tilt bothers me so much on this card. Not all Claudell 8s are created equal)
514 Jose Cruz (we all know about Cruz; when I won this card, I was over the moon; was literally the last one I wrestled with keeping)
535 Tenace (this is the one I kept in my set of the two I had graded, because it was stronger by far, no print dot)
590 Cedeno (so many of this one are beheaded; I remember setting a monster snipe for this one)
264 John Milner (has this card ever been discussed? One sale in 2011. One in 2009. Two in 2007. That's all.)
One day I'd love to have the time and go through the whole set on VCP, card by card, and see just how few sales of certain cards there have been. I bet it thumps so many other sets.
And then there's the top cards I remember missing out on...
PSA 9 Randle PSA 9 Stanley PSA 9 Singleton PSA 9 Bando
Those four losses I remember too well. Those were amazing cards.
Talk about a useful software enhancement: Add a column to VCP so when you are searching you get the date of last sale along with card number name and price, without having to drill down. This field can easily trump sale prices. See the earlier discussion of Terry Hughes selling for almost $400 in an 8 because of a lomg gap between sales...
Time between sales is a critical, and perhaps overlooked, factor in determining how to bid. I've always factored it in. When I bid on a card I intend to win it, so you gotta have every angle worked in. That's why I even enhanced my snipe back when the first Fred Stanley PSA 9 hit the market; unfortunately to no avail
The cards with pink on top (like tan) are typically "long" so they use those holders to fit them. Better than being short.
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I now fully understand the "shortie" concept. I bought a box full of pack fresh minis recently and see that many of the green/yellow cards are massively short. Matty, thanks for listing out some of the tougher ones and saving me time on VCP. I think I have a pretty nice Hughes and maybe a few others on the list. I have a Heidemann that should be an easy 8 with a possibility of a 9. I'll try and post scans tonight. My Heidemann from the CU rip is mint and perfectly centered but unfortunately has a big bubble on the right border.
Just finished boxing up my first order in some time, which will go to the PO tomorrow. 620 cards, 490 of them minis and having reviewed them all for the third time today, they are as good a mini lot as a whole as I have probably ever subbed. Also cracked a 75 vending box for giggles and have 110~ cards going in from that. I have much less of a feel for regular 75, particularly which are tough, etc., but I was happy with the break.
<< <i>Just finished boxing up my first order in some time, which will go to the PO tomorrow. 620 cards, 490 of them minis and having reviewed them all for the third time today, they are as good a mini lot as a whole as I have probably ever subbed. Also cracked a 75 vending box for giggles and have 110~ cards going in from that. I have much less of a feel for regular 75, particularly which are tough, etc., but I was happy with the break.
Fingers crossed, and now the waiting begins :-) >>
Many of the tough cards in the minis are also tough in the regular size version as well. Good luck! Did you get any nice, submitable star cards from the vending box?
Looks like another pop increase for many cards in PSA 9. Maybe a few 10's? With the number of cards you've submitted, you're certainly due for several. Sounds like you have a nice sub. Best of luck Jim!
Thanks much. I think we all wish it wasn't, but the truth is that grading is a crapshoot. When I did my case break two years ago now, I had three subs of a similar size to this one. Two of them were amazing, with 6 10s in one and 7 in the second, including seaver and banks among others. The third order was almost entirely 8s. Exact same cards, from the same case. Clearly someone had a bad day and I wound up having over 200 of them reviewed or cracked, with 60+ winding up in 9 holders subsequently. It is one of the reasons that I have always been such an advocate of cracking away if you believe in your card. Grading varies... period. So my fingers, they will be crossed (eyes and toes as well).
The vending box was pretty weak on star power. A pair of younts that are 7ish, nice brock rb and schmidt 70, half dozen nice mvps, couple nice niekros. Best upside cards are probably a pair of staubs that could either land in a 9 holder.
<< <i>Thanks much. I think we all wish it wasn't, but the truth is that grading is a crapshoot. When I did my case break two years ago now, I had three subs of a similar size to this one. Two of them were amazing, with 6 10s in one and 7 in the second, including seaver and banks among others. The third order was almost entirely 8s. Exact same cards, from the same case. Clearly someone had a bad day and I wound up having over 200 of them reviewed or cracked, with 60+ winding up in 9 holders subsequently. It is one of the reasons that I have always been such an advocate of cracking away if you believe in your card. Grading varies... period. So my fingers, they will be crossed (eyes and toes as well).
The vending box was pretty weak on star power. A pair of younts that are 7ish, nice brock rb and schmidt 70, half dozen nice mvps, couple nice niekros. Best upside cards are probably a pair of staubs that could either land in a 9 holder. >>
I agree about the grader consistency issue. I'm a bit nervous about making a massive sub but will need to in order to get a good bulk discount. I'm going to try to have it split to two graders just to hedge my bets. It would be a real disaster to get a ton of 8s on mid-70s commons. There's not enough room in most of those cards to warrant grading them twice.
Spot on. Trying to make up a $3k grading bill selling $10 cards is a road that leads straight to the funny farm. Largest order I have personally sent in was 1,700 cards and they broke it into 3 batches. Two were excellent and one was brutal. That has always made me think about proactively splitting orders.
You are also spot on with there just not being enough room in general to justify resubbing 70s commons. As a rule of thumb, unless it is a star or a low pop, it doesn't go in the first place unless I feel it has a legit shot at a 9.
Six months or so ago it seemed like although mini grading remained tough, especially on size and print quality, that centering t/b had finally relaxed a little. A lot of 9s were showing up low. I broke out a bunch of cards that I had been sitting on, cenetered the exact same way and got clobbered. I should have known better...
Do you have an example card of the worst case top to bottom centering that would offer a typical worst case PSA 9 candidate? I have lots of '75s both regular and mini to submit and that's always the challenge on those. I believe the cards were meant to be cut slightly low and that 50-50 top to bottom centering that yields the 10s is actually cut a little too high vs the factory norm.
There are also the cards where the players name is printed closer to the black inner border than others. Some cards also have the players name to close to the bottom border of the card. This had created mis-grades in the past. Though in the last several years I've seen that graders have become more aware of this issue. These select cards are now graded without as much consideration to the alignment of the name on cards. It's not hard to determine which cards are plagued with this problem.
To say Topps meant to cut the cards slightly low may not be accurate? 75 Topps Mini's were all over the map regarding centering. Left to right, right to left, top to bottom, bottom to top, diamond one way, diamond the other way. It might be more accurate to say Topps meant to center the 75 Mini's, however, in many cases failed miserably.
Some graders will at times allow a higher grade on cards that have a wider gap at the bottom of the card than at the top (between player name and Team name). Not true with PSA 10 examples. Perhaps some graders feel these cards have better eye appeal?
One thing is certain...... premiums are paid for well centered examples.
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It was very hard deciding to part with some of these immensely rare premium examples, which took me years to assemble, but I really feel I had taken the set as far as I could, without treading into common PSA 10 waters. And that would prohibit me from chasing big cards I long for, like a Ruth RC or high grade Aaron RC, for example.
I look at cards like the Bochte and Dreissen and Cliff Johnson and Cruz and many others-- those are some slept-on tough-as-nails cards. Sometimes a few notorious commons get all the attention, but what I love so much about this set is that there are so many commons that are sneaky hard to find in solid 9 grade.
Jim, maybe you could help me assemble a nice raw set (without the Brett, Yount, Ryan #5 and #500, and Aaron #660). I really would love to maintain a nice raw set that presents well in a binder, so I can look at them often (whereas I stored my set in bank lockers). Send me a PM if you have one lying around. I care only about centering and not corners for such a set.
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
Due to what appears to be a touch to the lower left corner, the Swisher looks like an 8 to me, but maybe a 9 "on a good day." The others look like easy 9's or better.
Congrats on a very nice pack!
Edited to say that I missed that the blue area of the Roberts card is a little lighter than "normal," which I think would limit the card to no higher than a 9. Note how bold the colors are on the Ellis for comparison. That card is gorgeous.
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From MattyC's mouth to the grader's ears.... poppage from the recent rip on the B/S/T board including a nice Bochte and a nice Messersmith...
The first 19 were from the rip, the rest are just ones I keep sending in on N6 vouchers that don't seem to break through (and therefore are forgettable):
Order #20578846 / Submission #726623
Line # Item # Cert # Grade Description Type
1 1 19758448 MINT 9 1975 TOPPS MINI 392 BRUCE BOCHTE Card
2 1 19758449 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1975 TOPPS MINI 500 NOLAN RYAN Card
3 1 19758450 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1975 TOPPS MINI 143 CLIFF JOHNSON Card
4 1 19758451 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1975 TOPPS MINI 418 LEO FOSTER Card
5 1 19758452 MINT 9 1975 TOPPS MINI 279 MILT MAY Card
6 1 19758453 MINT 9 1975 TOPPS MINI 87 GEORGE FOSTER Card
7 1 19758454 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1975 TOPPS MINI 292 RON SCHUELER Card
8 1 19758455 MINT 9 1975 TOPPS MINI 347 MIKE CALDWELL Card
9 1 19758456 MINT 9 1975 TOPPS MINI 650 DAVE MAY Card
10 1 19758457 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 ST 1975 TOPPS MINI 204 1966-MVP'S F.ROBINSON/R.CLEMENTE Card
11 1 19758458 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1975 TOPPS MINI 196 1958-MVP'S J.JENSEN/E.BANKS Card
12 1 19758459 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1975 TOPPS MINI 480 CARLOS MAY Card
13 1 19758460 MINT 9 1975 TOPPS MINI 593 GENE LAMONT Card
14 1 19758461 EXCELLENT 5 1975 TOPPS MINI 444 GENE GARBER Card
15 1 19758462 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1975 TOPPS MINI 421 METS TEAM YOGI BERRA, MGR. Card
16 1 19758463 NEAR MINT 7 1975 TOPPS MINI 80 CARLTON FISK Card
17 1 19758464 MINT 9 1975 TOPPS MINI 605 JOHN ELLIS Card
18 1 19758465 GEM MINT 10 1975 TOPPS MINI 440 ANDY MESSERSMITH Card
19 1 19758466 MINT 9 ST 1975 TOPPS MINI 330 MIKE MARSHALL Card
20 1 19758467 MINT 9 OC 1975 TOPPS MINI 640 HARMON KILLEBREW Card
21 1 19758468 MINT 9 PD 1975 TOPPS MINI 600 ROD CAREW Card
22 1 19758469 NEAR MINT 7 1975 TOPPS MINI 647 CLAUDELL WASHINGTON Card
23 1 19758470 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1975 TOPPS MINI 158 JERRY GROTE Card
24 1 19758471 NEAR MINT 7 1975 TOPPS MINI 513 DICK POLE Card
25 1 19758472 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1975 TOPPS MINI 514 JOSE CRUZ Card
26 1 19758473 MINT 9 PD 1975 TOPPS MINI 31 DAVE RADER Card
27 1 19758474 MINT 9 PD 1975 TOPPS MINI 322 ED GOODSON Card
28 1 19758475 NEAR MINT 7 1975 TOPPS MINI 335 JIM PALMER Card
29 1 19758476 MINT 9 PD 1975 TOPPS MINI 564 TOMMY DAVIS Card
30 1 19758477 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1975 TOPPS MINI 253 JESUS ALOU Card
31 1 19758478 MINT 9 PD 1975 TOPPS MINI 173 STEVE ROGERS Card
32 1 19758479 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1975 TOPPS MINI 180 JOE MORGAN Card
33 1 19758480 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1975 TOPPS MINI 178 CESAR TOVAR Card
34 1 19758481 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1975 TOPPS MINI 53 DAVE GIUSTI Card
35 1 19758482 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1975 TOPPS MINI 150 BOB GIBSON Card
36 1 19758483 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1975 TOPPS MINI 178 CESAR TOVAR Card
37 1 19758484 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1975 TOPPS MINI 297 CRAIG KUSICK Card
38 1 19758485 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1975 TOPPS MINI 162 WILLIE MONTANEZ Card
39 1 19758486 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1975 TOPPS MINI 127 GLENN BORGMANN Card
40 1 19758487 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1975 TOPPS MINI 79 GARY MATTHEWS Card
41 1 19758488 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1975 TOPPS MINI 484 GLENN BECKERT Card
42 1 19758489 MINT 9 PD 1975 TOPPS MINI 173 STEVE ROGERS Card
43 1 19758490 EXCELLENT 5 1963 TOPPS 18 BUC BLASTERS Card
44 1 19758491 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1976 TOPPS 550 HANK AARON Card
45 1 19758492 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1973 TOPPS 149 DAVE SCHULTZ Card
Total Items: 45
Date Received: 2/15/2012
Date Shipped: N/A
Order Status: OK
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Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
The Claudell and Davis and Tanana and some others like Alou, Cruz, Etchebarren, Burleson, and #460 have historically tended to get all the attention. But one can't sleep on these guys...
Dan Driessen
Bill Greif
Cliff Johnson
Pedro Borbon
Steve Hargan
Jim Fregosi (often misspelled Fergosi)
Mike Hegan
Brooks Robinson
Don Gullet
Richie Zisk
Ron Reed
Denny Doyle
Hutton
Goodson
Bando
Ed Herrman
Barry Foote
Carl Morton
Steve Yeager
Maximino Leon
Bob Stinson
Will McEnaney
Cedeno
Niekro
Ted Martinez
Heidemann
I'm sure there are more that also deserve mention. Look how many tough pops are in this set after all the material broken open in recent years!
***Oops. I didn't see you mentioned Bureleson initially. I'm an idiot. Carry on.
Gibson is sooooo under the radar imho. Finding a full, pd free 8 is a true bear, yet he typically sells for less than similar cards like Dreissen, Milbourne, Johnson, etc. You could really make a case for a good psa 8 Gibson being worth $100~, though it has never commanded it.
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My Gibson on the bay right now is pretty awesome (IMO). Full sized, sick centering, and no aggressive crackle/bleed on the top.
EDIT: In fact I'm tempted right now to pull the auction and submit that badboy for review!
And while we're at it throw Palmer in there. He is so slept-on as a player and as a Mini in PSA 9 grade. A full one is a tough find.
I think the guy won 20 games 8 times and finished with a career ERA in the 2.00's. If the Yankees ever had a pitcher like that he'd be revered as a god and his cards would be worth $$$$. Guidry was good but not as good as Palmer, IMO. Same for Moose, Cone, Clemens' best years were not with Yanks and he's got a stink on him now. I'd rather have Palmer than CC also.
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Bad...
Ugly.... (too bad because these toughies are all so nice, just not long enough)
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I bid on 34 cards today... and did not win a single one. Something like that has not happened in years and as a collector who sells, tells me that the scales may have finally tipped to demand outweighing supply for the first time since the Conlon sale.
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I bid on 34 cards today... and did not win a single one. Something like that has not happened in years and as a collector who sells, tells me that the scales may have finally tipped to demand outweighing supply for the first time since the Conlon sale.
Ditto that...I had about 10 snipes set and was outsniped and/or outbid on each one...would have won a couple at pretty reasonable prices if the buyer that won all of them hadn't bid, LOL..
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<< <i>Ok, so I recently won a couple of PSA graded 75 Minis in an auction and received them today. Can someone tell me why the card fits perfectly in one holder and the other has some some sort of clear plastic and the card doesn't quite fit all that well???
Without seeing the card, my assumption is that it was oversized (cut larger at the factory) and therefore didn't fit in the standard mini holder. Did they put it in a regular size card holder with the mylar sleeve? I have a couple of oversized regular cards from various years that are put in the 1952-55 size holders with a mylar sleeve.
Who knows, we might really see a set finally challenge the one that's been #1 forever... That would be an awesome feat. God knows I once tried so hard!
In answer to the question about the slabs: back in the day PSA used both the inner sleeve and the smaller holder. I'm sure they can reholder them to suit one's taste. I always kind of like the sleeve myself. Could also be oversized.
I'm especially curious to see how these cards do, considering their extreme rarity. These were among the hardest for me to part with; real sources of pride in my set. But I knew if I kept any non-stars, they would beckon/tempt me to do the set again soon
I guess this is my last chance to reminisce over these...
649 Heidemann (can you believe NEVER A PSA 9 SOLD at any auction? It's cards like this that make this set so outrageously tough. About how many cards in all other sets can this be said?)
362 Steve Hargan (only 2 have ever sold. Again, almost unbelievable. In my top five slept-on cards of this set, hands-down.)
339 Fregosi (another of my top slept-on minis; seriously, how ridiculous is this card? I hardly get it in packs, let alone massively OC and PD)
345 Carroll (two sales ever. 2011 and 2007. That's it. Full and red/yellow to me is like saying blonde and huge bombs)
268 Hal McRae (pop 6. Only 3 sales EVER. Most recent in 2009.)
647 Claudell (PSA 8, but full AND no tilt; the tilt bothers me so much on this card. Not all Claudell 8s are created equal)
514 Jose Cruz (we all know about Cruz; when I won this card, I was over the moon; was literally the last one I wrestled with keeping)
535 Tenace (this is the one I kept in my set of the two I had graded, because it was stronger by far, no print dot)
590 Cedeno (so many of this one are beheaded; I remember setting a monster snipe for this one)
264 John Milner (has this card ever been discussed? One sale in 2011. One in 2009. Two in 2007. That's all.)
One day I'd love to have the time and go through the whole set on VCP, card by card, and see just how few sales of certain cards there have been. I bet it thumps so many other sets.
And then there's the top cards I remember missing out on...
PSA 9 Randle
PSA 9 Stanley
PSA 9 Singleton
PSA 9 Bando
Those four losses I remember too well. Those were amazing cards.
I really think I need that nice raw set from you soon before I suffer mini set withdrawal
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Thanks,
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<< <i>The cards with pink on top (like tan) are typically "long" so they use those holders to fit them. Better than being short. >>
The one I was referring is Yellow on top and red on bottom (Brooks Robinson). Is this card "typically long"?
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Fingers crossed, and now the waiting begins :-)
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<< <i>Just finished boxing up my first order in some time, which will go to the PO tomorrow. 620 cards, 490 of them minis and having reviewed them all for the third time today, they are as good a mini lot as a whole as I have probably ever subbed. Also cracked a 75 vending box for giggles and have 110~ cards going in from that. I have much less of a feel for regular 75, particularly which are tough, etc., but I was happy with the break.
Fingers crossed, and now the waiting begins :-) >>
Many of the tough cards in the minis are also tough in the regular size version as well. Good luck! Did you get any nice, submitable star cards from the vending box?
The vending box was pretty weak on star power. A pair of younts that are 7ish, nice brock rb and schmidt 70, half dozen nice mvps, couple nice niekros. Best upside cards are probably a pair of staubs that could either land in a 9 holder.
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<< <i>Thanks much. I think we all wish it wasn't, but the truth is that grading is a crapshoot. When I did my case break two years ago now, I had three subs of a similar size to this one. Two of them were amazing, with 6 10s in one and 7 in the second, including seaver and banks among others. The third order was almost entirely 8s. Exact same cards, from the same case. Clearly someone had a bad day and I wound up having over 200 of them reviewed or cracked, with 60+ winding up in 9 holders subsequently. It is one of the reasons that I have always been such an advocate of cracking away if you believe in your card. Grading varies... period. So my fingers, they will be crossed (eyes and toes as well).
The vending box was pretty weak on star power. A pair of younts that are 7ish, nice brock rb and schmidt 70, half dozen nice mvps, couple nice niekros. Best upside cards are probably a pair of staubs that could either land in a 9 holder. >>
I agree about the grader consistency issue. I'm a bit nervous about making a massive sub but will need to in order to get a good bulk discount. I'm going to try to have it split to two graders just to hedge my bets. It would be a real disaster to get a ton of 8s on mid-70s commons. There's not enough room in most of those cards to warrant grading them twice.
You are also spot on with there just not being enough room in general to justify resubbing 70s commons. As a rule of thumb, unless it is a star or a low pop, it doesn't go in the first place unless I feel it has a legit shot at a 9.
Six months or so ago it seemed like although mini grading remained tough, especially on size and print quality, that centering t/b had finally relaxed a little. A lot of 9s were showing up low. I broke out a bunch of cards that I had been sitting on, cenetered the exact same way and got clobbered. I should have known better...
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To say Topps meant to cut the cards slightly low may not be accurate? 75 Topps Mini's were all over the map regarding centering. Left to right, right to left, top to bottom, bottom to top, diamond one way, diamond the other way. It might be more accurate to say Topps meant to center the 75 Mini's, however, in many cases failed miserably.
Some graders will at times allow a higher grade on cards that have a wider gap at the bottom of the card than at the top (between player name and Team name). Not true with PSA 10 examples. Perhaps some graders feel these cards have better eye appeal?
One thing is certain...... premiums are paid for well centered examples.