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Do you pay a premium for a certain generation major TPG holder?
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I wouldn't.
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<< <i>I don't pay premiums for holders. I pay premiums for coins.
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<< <i>I don't pay premiums for holders. I pay premiums for coins.
Not really looking for much these days but if I were, it might be a toner.
<< <i>I wouldn't. >>
Good for you. This means that you aren't likely to get one and sell it for a premium to someone who would pay the premium. And all was well in doilyland.
<< <i>I don't pay premiums for holders. I pay premiums for coins.
The looming question, would you sell a coin, asking for a premium, due to the holder?
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<< <i>I don't pay premiums for holders. I pay premiums for coins.
The looming question, would you sell a coin, asking for a premium, due to the holder? >>
No.
I would ask for a premium because of the coin.
I don't collect holders. However, I do appreciate the fact that older holders can demonstrate that a coin is stable and/or has not been messed with in many years. In other words, older holders help identify that the coin is original.
Older holders also sometimes contain coins that are high end for their assigned grade and/or have a better than average shot at an upgrade.
I pay a premium for that indication of originality and for that high-end quality.
As for selling....yes, I would sell for a premium if that is what the market is and what the buyer is willing to pay.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
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<< <i>I don't pay premiums for holders. I pay premiums for coins.
The looming question, would you sell a coin, asking for a premium, due to the holder? >>
Look on eBay, duh!! Someone is. They would end up with a nice premium if they'd start lower. If you know there are people willing to pay it, why wouldn't you ask for it? The holder and its transformations is a part of the history of the company and as such it is collectible memorabilia to some folks.
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<< <i>Of course I would - some of them are very rare, highly collectible, extremely popular, always in demand and regularly sell for significant premiums. >>
I firmly believe in numismatics as the world's greatest hobby, but recognize that this is a luxury and without collectors, we can all spend/melt our collections/inventories.
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<< <i>For RD copper, yes. For everything else, no. >>
Well said. I'll add certain RB copper also.
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<< <i>I always seem to pay a premium for every coin/holder I buy
As for selling....yes, I would sell for a premium if that is what the market is and what the buyer is willing to pay. >>
Ding! Correct answer.
Anyone who would tell you they would see an MS65 1941 in a black first generation NGC holder or even a PCGS Doily holder for the value of the coin, (around $40.) is being disingenuous.
Yup . . . but the coin is where the true numismatist hangs his hat. The holder is merely something that came along as an idea in 1986 or so to facilitate unseen buying. All this talk of holders and scarcity is obscuring the true numismatists' objectives here and clouding the issue of numismatic scholarship. Heck, I think we should at least consider banning these 'holder-guys' to an alternate forum that won't denegrate the appreciation of original surfaces, varieties, and die-states. I'd much rather know an EDS from a MDS 1843 Large Cent than sort through this 'plastic-crap'.
One generation holder from another, our hosts have always been PCGS and anyone that thinks any generation holder is in any way superior or more collectable is insinuating that there is some rarity, difference in grading, or desirability that eBay, the BST, and those Forum members here just frankly do not support. It is all a sham.
Collect the coin . . . disregard the generation of the holder.
Drunner
(A Doily belongs on your Grandma's couch)
Another thought: Those that state they, "buy the coin, not the holder" and would never consider paying a premium for the plastic: I'd love to see what they would do if presented with a case of coins, all priced about equal, but with two or three in rare Service holders. You know they'd snatch them up in a heartbeat.
So, are they lying here in this thread to us or themselves?
Flame away you plastic admirers . . . I hold my head high and my nose up too! You will not sully me with your erstwhile time-killing diversions that do nothing but take away from this site, these astute collectors, and the very hobby we have all sworn to admire and protect !!!!!!!!
Drunner
(Isn't a Doily supposed to sit under a teacup?)
(Oh . . and I suppose one of those 'winky-thingies' could be fit somewhere above. Maybe 8 or 9 of them?)
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and a few others I can think of are in rattlers
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<< <i>I always seem to pay a premium for every coin/holder I buy
As for selling....yes, I would sell for a premium if that is what the market is and what the buyer is willing to pay. >>
Ding! Correct answer.
Anyone who would tell you they would see an MS65 1941 in a black first generation NGC holder or even a PCGS Doily holder for the value of the coin, (around $40.) is being disingenuous. >>
Not true. A few months ago at a local show I bought a nice Walker in a doily for what is currently greysheet ask. The gents behind the table even knew I liked them and charged NO PREMIUM for the doily. It was the only one at the show. In fact they even took $40 off of the sticker price. It was more than a $300 coin.
<< <i>Drunner
(A Doily belongs on your Grandma's couch) >>
I thought it was her dresser or coffee table.
<< <i>I wouldn't. >>
You wouldn't but others do. Whether that's smart or not is not for others to judge.
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But I thought they were doilies too.
Shows what I know . . . and it ain't a lot!
Drunner
(Unsuccessful 12-Step non-recovered Doily Addict)
<< <i>Tom is probably right . . but what are those little thingies on the ends of the armsrests on the couch? They probably have some name like 'uvula' or something.
But I thought they were doilies too.
Shows what I know . . . and it ain't a lot!
Drunner
(Unsuccessful 12-Step non-recovered Doily Addict) >>
The uvula is that gob of fleshy stuff that hangs down in the back of yer mouf. The witto groove under yer node an above yer wip is called the philtrim!! There ya have it; the anatomy of a doily lover.
them. I also like the way they look. That said, I don't pay a premium for the holder unless the
coin itself justifies it.
<< <i>I could never even think of paying a premium for a holder. This is a NUMISMATIC hobby and the thought of paying a premium for just 'plastic' is blasphemy. After all, what holder out there would demonstrate any worth anyway? Stability of a coin . . you bet. History? Well, I guess, but is that sort of history worth a premium? Awwwww . . you're kidding!
Yup . . . but the coin is where the true numismatist hangs his hat. The holder is merely something that came along as an idea in 1986 or so to facilitate unseen buying. All this talk of holders and scarcity is obscuring the true numismatists' objectives here and clouding the issue of numismatic scholarship. Heck, I think we should at least consider banning these 'holder-guys' to an alternate forum that won't denegrate the appreciation of original surfaces, varieties, and die-states. I'd much rather know an EDS from a MDS 1843 Large Cent than sort through this 'plastic-crap'.
One generation holder from another, our hosts have always been PCGS and anyone that thinks any generation holder is in any way superior or more collectable is insinuating that there is some rarity, difference in grading, or desirability that eBay, the BST, and those Forum members here just frankly do not support. It is all a sham.
Collect the coin . . . disregard the generation of the holder.
Drunner
(A Doily belongs on your Grandma's couch) >>
I agree a hunnert n tirty pursent mitchyu ser!! Why would ennyone want to cullect smoething that is common, dull, boring, fragile, uninteresting an overpriced?
Whitmans an 2 buh 2s is the way to go.
There are some old sample slabs in which the coin inside them are only worth 15 cents.
But dang, I can't understand it. They keep outbidding me by $10 to $20? I have only won 1 of them in the last 20 YEARS! Geez, the s&h&i cost more than the coin is worth!
I was told I could have gotten them for free had I flown to California.
<< <i>Of course I would - some of them are very rare, highly collectible, extremely popular, always in demand and regularly sell for significant premiums. >>
Bingo!! Finally someone sophisticated enough to know that certain slabs have real value above the coin's value. It's not everyone's cup of tea but what is in coin collecting?
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<< <i>Of course I would - some of them are very rare, highly collectible, extremely popular, always in demand and regularly sell for significant premiums. >>
Yes, this.
<< <i>Yes, I'll pay a small premium for the old green labeled PCGS holders. On the other hand I really dislike the original rattlers. >>
agree , Rattlers are just annoying
What is popular today may not be tomorrow. The collectibles world is littered with the remains of what was popular yesterday.
Personally, I always hated the "rattler" slabs and still do. I would buy one only if the coin in it were exceptional for the assigned grade.
If someone offered me a coin in a NGC Black or a PCGS Regency at no premium I'd buy it and flip it immediately.
I buy the coin, not the holder.
<< <i>Everyone needs to make their own decisions when it comes to collectible pricing.
What is popular today may not be tomorrow. The collectibles world is littered with the remains of what was popular yesterday.
Personally, I always hated the "rattler" slabs and still do. I would buy one only if the coin in it were exceptional for the assigned grade.
If someone offered me a coin in a NGC Black or a PCGS Regency at no premium I'd buy it and flip it immediately. >>
I don't care for the rattlers either. I'd only buy one if I intended to flip it or reholder it.
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<< <i>Of course I would - some of them are very rare, highly collectible, extremely popular, always in demand and regularly sell for significant premiums. >>
+1
I make an exception for the new PCGS secure plus service, as that adds a level of peace of mind concerning some kinds of messed with coins, such as putty in the fields, or painted on cameo frosting.
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