<< <i>Did he initially tell you what he is looking to get for the cards?
or did he ask you for a figure? >>
I asked him if he knew what he wanted out of everything and he's not sure. I told him I was willing to make him a good offer if he was 100% sure he was willing to sell. I told him I was there because I want to buy his cards. I didnt make almost a 2 hour road trip (1 way) to just look at his cards. We left it where he is calling me when he returns in a couple weeks and we will talk price. I did ask him if he had a price in mind that it would take to get his collection. He doesnt and I dont mind making a offer. I just dont want to push it until he is ready because it could scare him away. This guy does know he has some value but he doesnt know anything about condition or graded cards. The 63 topps baseball ,1963 football, 1964 and 65 topps baseball graded is what makes this collection!
<< <i>Im up in the air right now with what to offer but I think its going to take around 5k >>
Tom, based on what he told you about his friend's collection, I think this is where he is hoping to go.
Good luck!!! >>
The way he came accross, it sounded like his friends collection was much better because of the amount of mantles he had. You could be right though, I dont know. I also figure that if I do make him a offer and its within the ballpark figure he might be looking for, we should be able to agree somewhere in the middle.
Thats the same collection I saw Friday night. The cards were amazing. I offered the guy $4,800.00 when I was there and he said he would think about it and let me know in two weeks........................... .................NOT.
All I ever come across are vintage collections that are 20 years old.....yeah meaning 1991 garbage.
Best of luck! It sounds great. I would start with an offer of about $4,200 or so. Please keep us updated!
Thanks, Bob
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Im already going out of my mind waiting for the phone to ring!!!
Here are a few other things I thought of that he had... around 300 or so 1962 topps football vg/ex (I did see 1 o/c Ditka) he had a 1911 Mecca T201 Double folder Lake/Wallace (he had no idea how he got that card) small amount of 1953,54,55 and 56 topps maybe 20-30 1950 bowmans 10-15 1951 bowmans 20-30 1955 bowmans he some nrmt+ 1963 fleer football, prob 100 or so cards
Hopefully he's not vacationing in Cooperstown. I honestly don't like the 2 week bit. Just asking......Why did the whole thing not go down when he gets back?....instead....come look at the cards and then I'm going on vacation for 2 weeks. How well do you know this guy? I wish you luck with this.
<< <i>Hopefully he's not vacationing in Cooperstown. I honestly don't like the 2 week bit. Just asking......Why did the whole thing not go down when he gets back?....instead....come look at the cards and then I'm going on vacation for 2 weeks. How well do you know this guy? I wish you luck with this. >>
When we talked on the phone (I think thursday) for the 1st time, he said he wasnt 100% sure he was ready to sell. we were talking about when a good time for me to look at the cards and he said he was going away on the 25th of this month. Once he said that, I tried to set it up for today and it worked good for him as well. I told him I was interested in looking at what he had and to make sure it was stuff I was even interested in. We agreed on the phone that I would come look at this stuff, take notes and we would try and make a deal later. I have been working at seeing this for months now, going though the other guy that I know (just trying to get contact info). I didnt want to push this guy to where he doesnt want to deal with me. Everything went well today and im confident I will hear back. I knew going in to today a deal would not be done ...yet .
1964 Topps coins. I didnt think much of these when I 1st saw them. This guy had a box of them. It was a small box, guessing I would say maybe 100 - 150 coins. I didnt even look at them. Im sure he had many stars though. The coins were very bright in color and probably havnt seen daylight since the 60's! The glare from the coins when I opened the box stood right out. I see many high grades on these if I get my hands on them... After doing a google search on them, im even more excited.
He had maybe 50 or so and these also were pack fresh. Looks like PSA 9's are not easy to get but I think some of these have a shot. These are ding easy and scratch on top easy. These cards have not been handled at all from the looks of them.
After looking at the pop report, ONLY 46 PSA 9's out there with NO 10's!
There are 759 PSA 8's and 1072 PSA 7's.
Forgot to mention there were some 1962 bazooka cards, Mantle was in there
the current owner of the cards, etc. is responsible for due diligence.....if he does his research, nobody will be doing any ripping off.
in a free market, the value is based on what someone else is willing to pay and knowledge is power. indeed.
however, for some of us to get where we are right now, it required someone else to offer us a collection which was then liquidated to our distinct advantage.
otherwise, why bother?
good luck tsalems, hope you get this stuff for the best price possible, and win the envy of the forum, this stuff doesn't happen much anymore.
I know that I'm new here but I thought I might throw in my 2 cents... Would it be the worst thing in the world to let the guy know the real value of his collection? I think maybe we've all watched too much American Pickers to care that much about the seller, but if you were in his position, wouldn't you want someone to be straight up with you? Is it completely out of the question to work out a consignment deal with him so that you can both benefit from HIS hard work of accumulating and preserving those cards? Not trying to kick the hornets nest, but these are legitimate questions, aren't they? The guy might be getting up in years, but he was obviously in the hobby at one time in his life. Don't we owe it to him to at least let him know what he's got?
<< <i>I know that I'm new here but I thought I might throw in my 2 cents... Would it be the worst thing in the world to let the guy know the real value of his collection? I think maybe we've all watched too much American Pickers to care that much about the seller, but if you were in his position, wouldn't you want someone to be straight up with you? Is it completely out of the question to work out a consignment deal with him so that you can both benefit from HIS hard work of accumulating and preserving those cards? Not trying to kick the hornets nest, but these are legitimate questions, aren't they? The guy might be getting up in years, but he was obviously in the hobby at one time in his life. Don't we owe it to him to at least let him know what he's got? >>
His hard work? Are you kidding? You mean all of his hard work following the hobby the last 40 years and all the knowledge he's accumulated so as to know what the cards are worth in various conditions....Actually, it sounds as if he's done none of that work. And I agree with the earlier poster- If he wants to get retail, let him set up his own Ebay store, develop his own marketing strategy and get to work with those listings.
1. Get a few thousand dollars for his collection and let the cards get in the hands of people who will enjoy them.
2. Continue to keep a bunch of boxes full of old cardboard at his house.
I vote #1. And it's not like tsalems1 is offering the guy a hundred bucks. He already said it would be offering more than $3k. Sounds fair to me, unless the guy decides he wants to sell them individually himself.
lol @ people saying the guy deserves a certain price for his cards. If he wants to maximize the value of his collection then HE will have to do all of the work sorting, grading, listing, shipping, setting up accounts on ebay, etc....
If he wants someone else to do all of this stuff then he will NOT get top dollar. I wouldn't handle a collection of this size for less than a couple of thousand profit, period. Obviously he knows his collection is worth a decent amount so he isn't going to get a dirt cheap offer, but even if he had no clue, it's HIS responsibility to educate himself before selling. I always laugh at people thinking they deserve to get top dollar for their goods without doing any work. I guess that's becoming the American way though. Rob the rich and hard working to give to the poor and lazy.
Well I apologize for the somewhat "holier than thou" tone of my other post, as I don't know everything about the situation. If the guy just wants to get the stuff out of his house and doesn't have any other offers, then of course there's no reason not to pick it up. But if the guy literally has no outside contact about what his stuff is worth except for you, I know that I'd have a hard time walking out of there with his collection. Imagine saying to his face, "I'm going to pay you $1 per card, and then go sell them for 10 times that." This is a dream find, for sure. But during this 2 week period while he is gone, I think you've got a decision to make about whether you want to walk away from this a shrewd businessman or an honest collector. I think they're mutually exclusive in this case. If he comes back from his vacation, and he has somehow found out the true value of his collection... then what?
<< <i>For all anyone knows the owner of these cards knows full well what he has. >>
I think that he knows that they are worth a decent amount going by what the OP has said and what he has indicated about his friend's collection, etc...
<< <i>For all anyone knows the owner of these cards knows full well what he has. >>
Which is why im not looking to lowball him. I think if my offer is in range of what he is looking for, and I think I will be, we should be able to meet in the middle.
<< <i>On my way back home now. I will give details when I get to my computer. Let me just say this though.. The collection was unreal and this guy has no idea what he has. >>
I have to say, that it is in some ways easier if the individual has some idea of what they have.
If they have no idea, it is very unlikely that they will go through with the sale.
I bought a huge collection that actually lead me to this site, and the original owner had a good idea what he had before I ever looked at the cards. What he didn't understand was the time invested and costs involved with grading, Ebay, paypal, shipping, etc...
I think that we both walked away happy in the end. He got a large cash payment with no work involved, I got the cards made my money back and more. I have no idea what everyone considers the minimum return on investment with these deals, but I think I did OK.
I don't think anyone is trying to take advantage of anyone here.
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<< <i>For all anyone knows the owner of these cards knows full well what he has. >>
Which is why im not looking to lowball him. >>
Really?
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I'm not trying to minimize the massive amount of time and expense that it will take to get everything organized, graded, and sold. There is no question that those factors should definitely enter in to any negotiations. My only real point is that if I was this old dude who doesn't use the internet, hasn't picked up a price guide in 20 years, and whose only compass for what his collection is worth is what his buddy got paid, then I would appreciate someone letting me know that I'm sitting on something special. I'm sure just by looking at it you've already formulated a ballpark estimate of the minimum you will make off of it. If that number is approaching or exceeding $50k, let's say, and you offer him $4000... you can see the discrepancy there. I'm not out to attack anyone personally or to call into question your integrity. All I'm really trying to do is have you guys look at it from the old guy's perspective as if you were him. He's just trying to get a bit more cash to live out the rest of his life on. If the sale is made and everything seems kosher from his perspective, and then a few months down the line he finds out what some of his high grade stuff is really worth... that would really suck for him. Again, I'm new, and I'm not out to point fingers and make enemies. I just felt like the guy with the collection needed someone to stick up for him.
If the collection were actually worth 40-50K, I'd hope that Tom would offer more than 4K...what would you estimate the collection to be worth from the notes you took at least? Do you have a value or ballpark estimate in mind?
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<< <i>If the collection were actually worth 40-50K, I'd hope that Tom would offer more than 4K...what would you estimate the collection to be worth from the notes you took at least? Do you have a value or ballpark estimate in mind? >>
Such a bummer, you try to post about a very cool find that I bet 90% of the people on this forum would go for as well. Then, half of the people on here blast you for it.
If it makes you feel any better tsalems I once was in your shoes. An old guy who had been in the hobby for 35 years, and was still doing shows, was oblivious to the PSA game. This was about 12 years ago. I was lucky enough to go over to his house and go through quite a few old vending cases. I was paying book value for his cards. He was going by Beckett. Little did he know that his $10 common in Beckett could command $50 in a PSA 9, but also $10 in a PSA 8 at that time.
He was happy getting what he got, and I was happy getting what I got. It was a win-win. Could I have told him that I was going to make some good money if I got 9's ??? Well, I didn't feel compelled to, because we both we're happy with the transaction.
In other words, if this guy is happy with the price, and you are happy, then I consider it a done deal, with both parties very happy.
My only advice is that if he really has cards that will grade nicely, that you don't even blink at his asking price. It will possibly make you sleep better. It did me. I paid very nicely back in the day, and I got a nice return. Both parties were happy.
I'd agree that you can't, as a buyer, factor into your price, what a particular card or cards will grade in a specific holder, as in "if this card grades a PSA 9, it will bring X dollars," because we all know that grades are certainly not guaranteed, and why the raw value of a NM-MT card is going to differ significantly from the graded value of a NM-MT PSA 8 card.
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<< <i>I'd agree that you can't, as a buyer, factor into your price, what a particular card or cards will grade in a specific holder, as in "if this card grades a PSA 9, it will bring X dollars," because we all know that grades are certainly not guaranteed, and why the raw value of a NM-MT card is going to differ significantly from the graded value of a NM-MT PSA 8 card. >>
Correct
Im sure im not the only one here that has sent in cards to PSA thinking 9 or 10's and they come back 7 and 8's
<< <i>I'd agree that you can't, as a buyer, factor into your price, what a particular card or cards will grade in a specific holder, as in "if this card grades a PSA 9, it will bring X dollars," because we all know that grades are certainly not guaranteed, and why the raw value of a NM-MT card is going to differ significantly from the graded value of a NM-MT PSA 8 card. >>
Correct
Im sure im not the only one here that has sent in cards to PSA thinking 9 or 10's and they come back 7 and 8's >>
That's true. I should know that myself considering the grades I recently got back. I'm sorry that I aided in the hijacking of your thread tsalems and I honestly hope that this find turns out well for you. I hope you and the old guy can agree on a price that you both feel good about.
<< <i>I'm not trying to minimize the massive amount of time and expense that it will take to get everything organized, graded, and sold. There is no question that those factors should definitely enter in to any negotiations. My only real point is that if I was this old dude who doesn't use the internet, hasn't picked up a price guide in 20 years, and whose only compass for what his collection is worth is what his buddy got paid, then I would appreciate someone letting me know that I'm sitting on something special. I'm sure just by looking at it you've already formulated a ballpark estimate of the minimum you will make off of it. If that number is approaching or exceeding $50k, let's say, and you offer him $4000... you can see the discrepancy there. I'm not out to attack anyone personally or to call into question your integrity. All I'm really trying to do is have you guys look at it from the old guy's perspective as if you were him. He's just trying to get a bit more cash to live out the rest of his life on. If the sale is made and everything seems kosher from his perspective, and then a few months down the line he finds out what some of his high grade stuff is really worth... that would really suck for him. Again, I'm new, and I'm not out to point fingers and make enemies. I just felt like the guy with the collection needed someone to stick up for him. >>
Sticksnutzman- since no one else has said it, i'll say it. you are acting like a socialist. do you hang out in card shops and tell little kids not to pay $6 for the Allen & Ginter packs because they are getting ripped off and because someone should stick up for them? Everyone has the right to be responsible for their own well-being. Its no one's else job to do that for them.
If someone wants to sell me their $100,000 card collection, house, cars, widgets, whatever for $5000 then I'm gonna offer them $4000 and go from there, period. Survival of the fittest, the American way, or just business, Call it what you want. I know a lot of other people here won't say that but feel the same way and won't say it, but I will.
No successful businessman got to where they are at by overpaying for stuff or not taking advantage of good deals/situations along the way. That's part of the problem in this a$$backwards country today, in that everyone thinks they are entitled to be just as successful or paid just as much as someone that has worked to get to where they are at. People think they are "owed" something. People are "not" equal. A lot of you that live in fantasy land like to think that, but it's just not the case.
The guy with the collection has every right and opportunity to do the research or try/pay someone else to do the research for him before he sells. He may be doing this very thing to the OP. The OP has every right to try and get the best deal possible given the fact that he is gonna spend a lot of time and money trying to get the maximum for his efforts.
I'll pose this question to all of you. When you bought your house did you offer less than the asking price? Would you have ripped the seller's arm off if they said they'd take 10% of what the home was worth? If anyone answers NO to either one of these then you are either an idiot and I feel sorry for you, or you are lying.
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<< <i>Did he initially tell you what he is looking to get for the cards?
or did he ask you for a figure? >>
I asked him if he knew what he wanted out of everything and he's not sure.
I told him I was willing to make him a good offer if he was 100% sure he was willing to sell.
I told him I was there because I want to buy his cards. I didnt make almost a 2 hour road trip (1 way) to
just look at his cards.
We left it where he is calling me when he returns in a couple weeks and we will talk price.
I did ask him if he had a price in mind that it would take to get his collection. He doesnt and I dont mind making a offer.
I just dont want to push it until he is ready because it could scare him away.
This guy does know he has some value but he doesnt know anything about condition or graded cards.
The 63 topps baseball ,1963 football, 1964 and 65 topps baseball graded is what makes this collection!
hopefully he is not using you...
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<< <i>Im up in the air right now with what to offer but I think its going to take around 5k >>
Tom, based on what he told you about his friend's collection, I think this is where he is hoping to go.
Good luck!!!
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<< <i>Im up in the air right now with what to offer but I think its going to take around 5k >>
Tom, based on what he told you about his friend's collection, I think this is where he is hoping to go.
Good luck!!! >>
The way he came accross, it sounded like his friends collection was much better because of the amount of mantles he had.
You could be right though, I dont know.
I also figure that if I do make him a offer and its within the ballpark figure he might be looking for, we should be able to agree somewhere
in the middle.
"Live everyday, don't throw it away"
.................NOT.
All I ever come across are vintage collections that are 20 years old.....yeah meaning 1991 garbage.
Best of luck! It sounds great. I would start with an offer of about $4,200 or so. Please keep us updated!
Thanks,
Bob
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Here are a few other things I thought of that he had...
around 300 or so 1962 topps football vg/ex (I did see 1 o/c Ditka)
he had a 1911 Mecca T201 Double folder Lake/Wallace (he had no idea how he got that card)
small amount of 1953,54,55 and 56 topps
maybe 20-30 1950 bowmans
10-15 1951 bowmans
20-30 1955 bowmans
he some nrmt+ 1963 fleer football, prob 100 or so cards
<< <i>Hopefully he's not vacationing in Cooperstown. I honestly don't like the 2 week bit. Just asking......Why did the whole thing not go down when he gets back?....instead....come look at the cards and then I'm going on vacation for 2 weeks. How well do you know this guy? I wish you luck with this. >>
When we talked on the phone (I think thursday) for the 1st time, he said he wasnt 100% sure he was ready to sell.
we were talking about when a good time for me to look at the cards and he said he was going away on the 25th of this month.
Once he said that, I tried to set it up for today and it worked good for him as well. I told him I was interested in
looking at what he had and to make sure it was stuff I was even interested in. We agreed on the phone that I would
come look at this stuff, take notes and we would try and make a deal later. I have been working at seeing this for months now, going
though the other guy that I know (just trying to get contact info). I didnt want to push this guy to where he doesnt want to deal with me.
Everything went well today and im confident I will hear back. I knew going in to today a deal would not be done ...yet
It was a small box, guessing I would say maybe 100 - 150 coins. I didnt even look at them.
Im sure he had many stars though. The coins were very bright in color and probably havnt seen
daylight since the 60's! The glare from the coins when I opened the box stood right out.
I see many high grades on these if I get my hands on them...
After doing a google search on them, im even more excited.
This was great reading... LINK
as was this... LINK
Does anyone know much about these coins that can add any info/help?
Most of the coins he had were all red
He had maybe 50 or so and these also were pack fresh.
Looks like PSA 9's are not easy to get but I think some of these have a shot.
These are ding easy and scratch on top easy. These cards have not been
handled at all from the looks of them.
After looking at the pop report, ONLY 46 PSA 9's out there with NO 10's!
There are 759 PSA 8's and 1072 PSA 7's.
Forgot to mention there were some 1962 bazooka cards, Mantle was in there
Maybe I'm misreading it.
I'm not seeing any potential "rip off."
If sellers wanna get retail for their cards, they can list them online
or rent a table at a card show.
Buyers of bulk lots have to be able to make a profit on their purchases
or they will soon have no money.
<< <i>I haven't seen this board so excited about the possibility of ripping someone off.
Maybe I'm misreading it. >>
You're misreading it.
in a free market, the value is based on what someone else is willing to pay and knowledge is power. indeed.
however, for some of us to get where we are right now, it required someone else to offer us a collection which was then liquidated to our distinct advantage.
otherwise, why bother?
good luck tsalems, hope you get this stuff for the best price possible, and win the envy of the forum, this stuff doesn't happen much anymore.
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<< <i>I know that I'm new here but I thought I might throw in my 2 cents... Would it be the worst thing in the world to let the guy know the real value of his collection? I think maybe we've all watched too much American Pickers to care that much about the seller, but if you were in his position, wouldn't you want someone to be straight up with you? Is it completely out of the question to work out a consignment deal with him so that you can both benefit from HIS hard work of accumulating and preserving those cards? Not trying to kick the hornets nest, but these are legitimate questions, aren't they? The guy might be getting up in years, but he was obviously in the hobby at one time in his life. Don't we owe it to him to at least let him know what he's got? >>
His hard work? Are you kidding? You mean all of his hard work following the hobby the last 40 years and all the knowledge he's accumulated so as to know what the cards are worth in various conditions....Actually, it sounds as if he's done none of that work. And I agree with the earlier poster- If he wants to get retail, let him set up his own Ebay store, develop his own marketing strategy and get to work with those listings.
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1. Get a few thousand dollars for his collection and let the cards get in the hands of people who will enjoy them.
2. Continue to keep a bunch of boxes full of old cardboard at his house.
I vote #1. And it's not like tsalems1 is offering the guy a hundred bucks. He already said it would be offering more than $3k. Sounds fair to me, unless the guy decides he wants to sell them individually himself.
If he wants someone else to do all of this stuff then he will NOT get top dollar. I wouldn't handle a collection of this size for less than a couple of thousand profit, period. Obviously he knows his collection is worth a decent amount so he isn't going to get a dirt cheap offer, but even if he had no clue, it's HIS responsibility to educate himself before selling. I always laugh at people thinking they deserve to get top dollar for their goods without doing any work. I guess that's becoming the American way though. Rob the rich and hard working to give to the poor and lazy.
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Some of the comments though had me scratching my head.
Flame away.
<< <i>For all anyone knows the owner of these cards knows full well what he has. >>
I think that he knows that they are worth a decent amount going by what the OP has said and what he has indicated about his friend's collection, etc...
<< <i>For all anyone knows the owner of these cards knows full well what he has. >>
Which is why im not looking to lowball him. I think if my offer is in range of what he is looking for, and I think I will be, we
should be able to meet in the middle.
<< <i>On my way back home now. I will give details when I get to my computer. Let me just say this though..
The collection was unreal and this guy has no idea what he has. >>
This is what made a few alarms go off for me.
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If they have no idea, it is very unlikely that they will go through with the sale.
I bought a huge collection that actually lead me to this site, and the original owner had a good idea what he had before I ever looked at the cards. What he didn't understand was the time invested and costs involved with grading, Ebay, paypal, shipping, etc...
I think that we both walked away happy in the end. He got a large cash payment with no work involved, I got the cards made my money back and more. I have no idea what everyone considers the minimum return on investment with these deals, but I think I did OK.
I don't think anyone is trying to take advantage of anyone here.
he has no idea "what potential" the collection may have with some time well spent (and money)
using a third party grader...
probably nothing different than what you do when you think you get a good deal "at a show, or auction"
again, good luck and here is hoping things work out for you...
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<< <i>it probably should have read...
he has no idea "what potential" the collection may have with some time well spent (and money)
using a third party grader...
probably nothing different than what you do when you think you get a good deal "at a show, or auction"
again, good luck and here is hoping things work out for you... >>
Thank you! That's how it was meant to come accross
<< <i>I think the whole thing sounds a little screwy. >>
I honestly don't care what you think!
<< <i>
<< <i>For all anyone knows the owner of these cards knows full well what he has. >>
Which is why im not looking to lowball him. >>
Really?
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>For all anyone knows the owner of these cards knows full well what he has. >>
Which is why im not looking to lowball him. >>
Really? >>
Really!
Good thing you found one of the last people not using the internet.
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<< <i>If the collection were actually worth 40-50K, I'd hope that Tom would offer more than 4K...what would you estimate the collection to be worth from the notes you took at least? Do you have a value or ballpark estimate in mind? >>
Ungraded, not even close
<< <i>Are you sorry you started this thread yet? >>
yes
I had a feeling it would end up like this which is why I dont post that much here
Eff them, I wish you the best on this collection.
He was happy getting what he got, and I was happy getting what I got. It was a win-win. Could I have told him that I was going to make some good money if I got 9's ??? Well, I didn't feel compelled to, because we both we're happy with the transaction.
In other words, if this guy is happy with the price, and you are happy, then I consider it a done deal, with both parties very happy.
My only advice is that if he really has cards that will grade nicely, that you don't even blink at his asking price. It will possibly make
you sleep better. It did me. I paid very nicely back in the day, and I got a nice return. Both parties were happy.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>I'd agree that you can't, as a buyer, factor into your price, what a particular card or cards will grade in a specific holder, as in "if this card grades a PSA 9, it will bring X dollars," because we all know that grades are certainly not guaranteed, and why the raw value of a NM-MT card is going to differ significantly from the graded value of a NM-MT PSA 8 card. >>
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Im sure im not the only one here that has sent in cards to PSA thinking 9 or 10's and they come back 7 and 8's
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<< <i>I'd agree that you can't, as a buyer, factor into your price, what a particular card or cards will grade in a specific holder, as in "if this card grades a PSA 9, it will bring X dollars," because we all know that grades are certainly not guaranteed, and why the raw value of a NM-MT card is going to differ significantly from the graded value of a NM-MT PSA 8 card. >>
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Im sure im not the only one here that has sent in cards to PSA thinking 9 or 10's and they come back 7 and 8's >>
That's true. I should know that myself considering the grades I recently got back. I'm sorry that I aided in the hijacking of your thread tsalems and I honestly hope that this find turns out well for you. I hope you and the old guy can agree on a price that you both feel good about.
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<< <i>I'm not trying to minimize the massive amount of time and expense that it will take to get everything organized, graded, and sold. There is no question that those factors should definitely enter in to any negotiations. My only real point is that if I was this old dude who doesn't use the internet, hasn't picked up a price guide in 20 years, and whose only compass for what his collection is worth is what his buddy got paid, then I would appreciate someone letting me know that I'm sitting on something special. I'm sure just by looking at it you've already formulated a ballpark estimate of the minimum you will make off of it. If that number is approaching or exceeding $50k, let's say, and you offer him $4000... you can see the discrepancy there. I'm not out to attack anyone personally or to call into question your integrity. All I'm really trying to do is have you guys look at it from the old guy's perspective as if you were him. He's just trying to get a bit more cash to live out the rest of his life on. If the sale is made and everything seems kosher from his perspective, and then a few months down the line he finds out what some of his high grade stuff is really worth... that would really suck for him. Again, I'm new, and I'm not out to point fingers and make enemies. I just felt like the guy with the collection needed someone to stick up for him. >>
Sticksnutzman- since no one else has said it, i'll say it. you are acting like a socialist. do you hang out in card shops and tell little kids not to pay $6 for the Allen & Ginter packs because they are getting ripped off and because someone should stick up for them? Everyone has the right to be responsible for their own well-being. Its no one's else job to do that for them.
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No successful businessman got to where they are at by overpaying for stuff or not taking advantage of good deals/situations along the way. That's part of the problem in this a$$backwards country today, in that everyone thinks they are entitled to be just as successful or paid just as much as someone that has worked to get to where they are at. People think they are "owed" something. People are "not" equal. A lot of you that live in fantasy land like to think that, but it's just not the case.
The guy with the collection has every right and opportunity to do the research or try/pay someone else to do the research for him before he sells. He may be doing this very thing to the OP. The OP has every right to try and get the best deal possible given the fact that he is gonna spend a lot of time and money trying to get the maximum for his efforts.
I'll pose this question to all of you. When you bought your house did you offer less than the asking price? Would you have ripped the seller's arm off if they said they'd take 10% of what the home was worth? If anyone answers NO to either one of these then you are either an idiot and I feel sorry for you, or you are lying.