What gamble? Paypal protects him and he gets all his money back. It's fun to gamble when there's no risk involved. I wish Vegas has those type of "odds". >>
Again, where did the OP say he would use PayPal for a chargeback if the coin was not a rip?
I also like to "gamble" on eBay from time to time, and I will tell you that I have never returned a coin because I misread a scan or misattributed a variety that I thought I was going to cherrypick. My mistake means it is my coin, and most of the people I know who cherrypick (folks I know here and IRL) feel the same way.
A couple of months ago I won an Indian cent for $100 (more than I usually spend on a hunch) because I was convinced it was a rare variety. The coin showed up, it wasn't, and I still have it. Eventually I'll flip it back on eBay, probably at a slight loss.
Auctions like the one referenced in the OP are all about risk and reward, and nowhere in this thread did the OP say he wasn't fine accepting both .
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Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
I've seen more than a few 1928-S Peace dollars in slider Unc. with the mint mark scraped off ...
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<< <i> To be fair the "but hey that's what paypal is for " are my words. I have a decent enough sellers rep on ebay and the BST but if I buy a 1928 dollar that is even slightly eluded to as being a P mint and it comes back as a S with the P price point I would be quick to initiate a return and I could care less what anybody thinks. The no returns is not the real policy just a wishful sellers uninformed proclamation with no bearing on reality. I make decisions based on facts & reality, not faux forum integrity rants. >>
I agree that if the coin was misrepresented, a return could be warranted. If the OP received an S-mint coin instead of the advertised P-mint then I could understand a return. However if the coin is properly described but arrives with surface damage or corrosion then I'd say accept the gamble was lost and keep the coin.
Sean Reynolds
Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
<< <i> To be fair the "but hey that's what paypal is for " are my words. I have a decent enough sellers rep on ebay and the BST but if I buy a 1928 dollar that is even slightly eluded to as being a P mint and it comes back as a S with the P price point I would be quick to initiate a return and I could care less what anybody thinks. The no returns is not the real policy just a wishful sellers uninformed proclamation with no bearing on reality. I make decisions based on facts & reality, not faux forum integrity rants. >>
I agree that if the coin was misrepresented, a return could be warranted. If the OP received an S-mint coin instead of the advertised P-mint then I could understand a return. However if the coin is properly described but arrives with surface damage or corrosion then I'd say accept the gamble was lost and keep the coin.
Sean Reynolds >>
"However if the coin is properly described but arrives with surface damage or corrosion then I'd say accept the gamble was lost and keep the coin"
I agree with that and would take it a step futher as to say as long as nothing is misrepresented I would suck it up. But an UNC that isn't or PQ that is cleaned would tip the balance
<< <i>Your gut is pretty good and I don't think it will be any different this time, To be honest the luster/strike looks like a 28 and the toning precludes any old cleanings. The only question in my mind is AU58 or MS but either way you'll make money. The only thing that will screw you is an AU58 1928-s but hey that's what paypal is for
I don't agree with " but hey that's what paypal is for "
I mean the OP is taking a chance and I Wish Him Luck but to just get things off eBay in hopes that you'll get a cherry and to rely on Pay Pal to get your money back even when the seller stated No Returns in MO ain't the way to do things. >>
That doesn't mean he should be stuck with it if it had turned out to be counterfeit.
<< <i>AU58 environmental damage. Might be worth a shot at NCS. Won't grade at PCGS.
TRUTH >>
Truth or more like an incorrect opinion? I have seen countless Peace dollars that look just like that in PCGS plastic, that's how a deeply toned, undipped peace dollar often looks and PCGS will slab accordingly
You gambled buying a butt-ugly coin that on the second time around PCGS deemed to be market acceptable. You will make some money on it, and good for you.
But take a step back and look at the entirety of the transaction. I'd better stop here.
"Vou invadir o Nordeste, "Seu cabra da peste, "Sou Mangueira......."
You know what's interesting? If the OP had disagreed with PCGS's determination of "cleaned" and just cracked the coin out and sold it on eBay without disclosing PCGS's opinion, he'd be getting called no end of bad names. Since he chose to resubmit, however, and received an acceptable grade, he gets lots of congratulations instead.
And in either case, the coin would have been exactly the same.
<< <i>You know what's interesting? If the OP had disagreed with PCGS's determination of "cleaned" and just cracked the coin out and sold it on eBay without disclosing PCGS's opinion, he'd be getting called no end of bad names. Since he chose to resubmit, however, and received an acceptable grade, he gets lots of congratulations instead.
And in either case, the coin would have been exactly the same. >>
Bingo. And, I'm sorry but I think they blew the call on the resubmit. I don't think anyone including OP would pay MS63 money or even close for this coin out of a holder.
<< <i>You know what's interesting? If the OP had disagreed with PCGS's determination of "cleaned" and just cracked the coin out and sold it on eBay without disclosing PCGS's opinion, he'd be getting called no end of bad names. Since he chose to resubmit, however, and received an acceptable grade, he gets lots of congratulations instead.
And in either case, the coin would have been exactly the same. >>
Bingo. And, I'm sorry but I think they blew the call on the resubmit. I don't think anyone including OP would pay MS63 money or even close for this coin out of a holder. >>
What about this coin makes you think it is cleaned? I think PCGS blew the call when they called it cleaned the first round.
What about this coin makes you think it is cleaned? I think PCGS blew the call when they called it cleaned the first round.
I didn't say I thought it was cleaned; I said I think they blew the call on the resubmit. Looking at the images provided...I see horizontal hairlines on the neck, lots of ticks and a mottled spotty tone normally associated with previously dipped coins that have begun to retone.
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<< <i>Interesting gamble, good luck! >>
What gamble? Paypal protects him and he gets all his money back. It's fun to gamble when there's no risk involved.
I wish Vegas has those type of "odds". >>
Again, where did the OP say he would use PayPal for a chargeback if the coin was not a rip?
I also like to "gamble" on eBay from time to time, and I will tell you that I have never returned a coin because I misread a scan or misattributed a variety that I thought I was going to cherrypick. My mistake means it is my coin, and most of the people I know who cherrypick (folks I know here and IRL) feel the same way.
A couple of months ago I won an Indian cent for $100 (more than I usually spend on a hunch) because I was convinced it was a rare variety. The coin showed up, it wasn't, and I still have it. Eventually I'll flip it back on eBay, probably at a slight loss.
Auctions like the one referenced in the OP are all about risk and reward, and nowhere in this thread did the OP say he wasn't fine accepting both .
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
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To be fair the "but hey that's what paypal is for " are my words. I have a decent enough sellers rep on ebay and the BST but if I buy a 1928 dollar that is even slightly eluded to as being a P mint and it comes back as a S with the P price point I would be quick to initiate a return and I could care less what anybody thinks. The no returns is not the real policy just a wishful sellers uninformed proclamation with no bearing on reality. I make decisions based on facts & reality, not faux forum integrity rants. >>
I agree that if the coin was misrepresented, a return could be warranted. If the OP received an S-mint coin instead of the advertised P-mint then I could understand a return. However if the coin is properly described but arrives with surface damage or corrosion then I'd say accept the gamble was lost and keep the coin.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
Agreed on that. Yeah I don't get a warm and fuzzy about this one...rims look rolled...not sure about the mint etc. But could work out, ya never know!
I like this item from the seller:
Quite the set!
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To be fair the "but hey that's what paypal is for " are my words. I have a decent enough sellers rep on ebay and the BST but if I buy a 1928 dollar that is even slightly eluded to as being a P mint and it comes back as a S with the P price point I would be quick to initiate a return and I could care less what anybody thinks. The no returns is not the real policy just a wishful sellers uninformed proclamation with no bearing on reality. I make decisions based on facts & reality, not faux forum integrity rants. >>
I agree that if the coin was misrepresented, a return could be warranted. If the OP received an S-mint coin instead of the advertised P-mint then I could understand a return. However if the coin is properly described but arrives with surface damage or corrosion then I'd say accept the gamble was lost and keep the coin.
Sean Reynolds >>
"However if the coin is properly described but arrives with surface damage or corrosion then I'd say accept the gamble was lost and keep the coin"
I agree with that and would take it a step futher as to say as long as nothing is misrepresented I would suck it up. But an UNC that isn't or PQ that is cleaned would tip the balance
I think this is one which will benefit from a dip, although I would still leave it be!
Worth easily two or three times ++ the amount you paid.
Many 28s have been dipped and/or cleaned. Yours appears to be original.
I like it a lot.
Congrats Will, nice pickup. You are one gambling fool! (in a good way)
MS63 or AU58, I can't decide, but I concede to your opinion.
Too many positive BST transactions with too many members to list.
The toning might not be appealing for most but I like it for the original skin! It's got character!
<< <i>Should I open the dip container? >>
I don't think the Obv would look very good after a dip with that deep crust
<< <i>Congrads on not getting burned by flea by, two questions, is the 1928 P rare and will it slab iyo? >>
Not rare at all, but they're valuable in the context of the series. An MS63 is about a $700 coin. IMO it will slab MS63.
if you submit.
TRUTH
<< <i>AU58 environmental damage. Might be worth a shot at NCS. Won't grade at PCGS.
TRUTH >>
<< <i>Your gut is pretty good and I don't think it will be any different this time, To be honest the luster/strike looks like a 28 and the toning precludes any old cleanings. The only question in my mind is AU58 or MS but either way you'll make money. The only thing that will screw you is an AU58 1928-s but hey that's what paypal is for
I don't agree with " but hey that's what paypal is for "
I mean the OP is taking a chance and I Wish Him Luck but to just get things off eBay in hopes that you'll get
a cherry and to rely on Pay Pal to get your money back even when the seller stated No Returns in MO ain't the
way to do things. >>
That doesn't mean he should be stuck with it if it had turned out to be counterfeit.
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<< <i>AU58 environmental damage. Might be worth a shot at NCS. Won't grade at PCGS.
TRUTH >>
Truth or more like an incorrect opinion? I have seen countless Peace dollars that look just like that in PCGS plastic, that's how a deeply toned, undipped peace dollar often looks and PCGS will slab accordingly
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<< <i>Coin graded PCGS MS63 the second time through. (it was .92 the first time through) >>
GEN, you are top notch on your grading abilities. Congrats on that the second time around.
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But take a step back and look at the entirety of the transaction. I'd better stop here.
"Seu cabra da peste,
"Sou Mangueira......."
And in either case, the coin would have been exactly the same.
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"Sou Mangueira......."
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<< <i>You know what's interesting? If the OP had disagreed with PCGS's determination of "cleaned" and just cracked the coin out and sold it on eBay without disclosing PCGS's opinion, he'd be getting called no end of bad names. Since he chose to resubmit, however, and received an acceptable grade, he gets lots of congratulations instead.
And in either case, the coin would have been exactly the same. >>
Bingo.
And, I'm sorry but I think they blew the call on the resubmit. I don't think anyone including OP would pay MS63 money or even close for this coin out of a holder.
RIP Mom- 1932-2012
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<< <i>You know what's interesting? If the OP had disagreed with PCGS's determination of "cleaned" and just cracked the coin out and sold it on eBay without disclosing PCGS's opinion, he'd be getting called no end of bad names. Since he chose to resubmit, however, and received an acceptable grade, he gets lots of congratulations instead.
And in either case, the coin would have been exactly the same. >>
Bingo.
And, I'm sorry but I think they blew the call on the resubmit. I don't think anyone including OP would pay MS63 money or even close for this coin out of a holder. >>
What about this coin makes you think it is cleaned? I think PCGS blew the call when they called it cleaned the first round.
I didn't say I thought it was cleaned; I said I think they blew the call on the resubmit. Looking at the images provided...I see horizontal hairlines on the neck, lots of ticks and a mottled spotty tone normally associated with previously dipped coins that have begun to retone.
RIP Mom- 1932-2012