"government is not reason, it is not eloquence-it is a force! like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." George Washington
If that Merc is NT than a lot of the coins that people on these boards poo poo as being AT are probably NT also. If that coin was in a non PCGS holder everyone would be disparaging it. I am not calling it either just commenting.
This piece is an extremely rare and one year type. The coin was worth eleven merks or 146 shillings and 8 pence. Curiously the design is a throwback to earlier English nobles of the 14th century. These pieces were not popular, and were called in and quickly replaced by the sixth coinage. the legend around the periphery of the obverse of the coin is IACOBUS 6 DEI GRATIA REX SCOTORUM or James 6 by the grace of God, King of Scots. The legend on the reverse FLORENT SCEPTRA PIIS REGNA HIS IVOA DAT NUMERATQUE or "Sceptres flourish with the pious, Jehovah gives them the kingdoms and numbers them".
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"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko.
"government is not reason, it is not eloquence-it is a force! like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." George Washington
It is logically impossible to overpay for anything one buys since one cannot pay more for an item than it is worth to him at that point in time. One can pay more than any so-called "market value" (and many time I have) but that isn't the same thing at all.
Edit to add: Here's one that I didn't mind paying well over market for--and quite a bit more than I could probably recoup if resold.
Just because I'm old doesn't mean I don't love to look at a pretty bust.
What I paid for this coin bothered me at the time, but as the years go by it bothers me less and less...
Sean Reynolds
Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
I paid too much for this, but I'm not sure when I'll see another early half anywhere near as nice as this ... They don't come any better struck than this one ..
This is now one of the plate coins that appears on the Coin Facts site.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
This is about a coin that I paid much too much money for it. But it isn't about the coin; it is about the history that can not be duplicated.
This is a re-post of a post back in late 2006.
Well, this is the shortest version I can come up of a story that has evolved over a full century.
This is a story that began with Liberty Holden, Emery Mae Norweb's grandfather and continues to tradedollarnut today. The following shows that tradedollarnut is a classy guy and a man of integrity. he is not into the "competition" of being "better than everyone else" as some accuse him of. He just loves great coins and is more than willing to share them with everyone else. It is about sharing and enjoying the thrill of the hunt not about winning at the expense of others.
I salute tradedollarnut as the the first member of the Oreville Hall of Honor!!!!
He deserves it.
Many of you may be aware I have always looked up to Emery Mae Norweb and her husband Ambassador Henry Norweb and was fortunate enough to sit with them and hold their fabulous collection in my hands in Ohio beginning in 1971.
This was one of my favorite coins that "spoke to me" as it was Emery's favorite coin since it was the coin that her grandfather gave to her which started her coin collection. I distinctly remember her moist eyes as she spoke about her grandfather giving her his 1795 watch fob coin. I remember being surprised since I initially thought that Ambassador Henry Norweb was the primary coin collector in the Norweb family.
For 15 years I was mystified as to what happened to this coin when I never saw it sell in any of the Norweb auctions. Then it finally came up for sale at the Stacks auction in the fall of 2006.
I bid very strong on this coin and told tradedollarnut of my intentions to win this coin. Tradedollarnut knew how much this coin meant to me. Unfortunately, my isp server failed and was not able to counterbid in the live bidding process (stupid me for not following up with a telephone bid) and tradedollar came to the rescue by arranging a bid to win the coin against another floor bidder who had outbid my earlier strong bid.
He then pm'd me and said simply:
<< <i>Because I know how much it means to you, I'd like to offer to split it with you. We can rotate possession of it. Let me know. B >>
I joyfully and tearily accepted immediately and told him:
<< <i> Thank the lord you are around!!! I had bid several times then up to $25,100 before the sale and then my internet went down!! Then I did not get to see what happened and was REALLY DEPRESSED! I never even expected this piece to go over $20K let alone $25K! I am so thankful you came to the rescue! Why didn't we think of this before, about splitting the ownership? I am not into exclusivity of ownership anyway! This is history! Don't mean to get all sloppy on you but I was actually in tears over your generosity. Thank you so much. >>
So tradedollarnut and I are now the happy co-owners of this wonderful coin. We both intend to make sure that this wonderful coinand its history is treated with respect and give it a great permanent home. We are still trying to figure this one out.
1795 Bass Dannreuther-1,Taraszka-1, Breen 1-A. Rarity-3+. Net F-12; sharpness of VF-35, holed with suspension loop. Medium yellow gold with typical jewelry surfaces, loop added perpendicular to surfaces at 12:00. Good detail remains. The importance of this coin is not in its quality, or even the rarity of the 1795 Small Eagle $10 in general. Instead, this was the coin that launched a lifetime love of all things numismatic by Emery May Norweb, perhaps the greatest female numismatist America has yet produced and one of the great collectors (of either gender) of all time. Little Emery May was but 13 or 14 when she received this coin as a gift from her grandfather Liberty Holden, a fascinating character with interests in mining and newspapers, among other things. Liberty was the progenitor of the entire Norweb Collection and, appropriately, his special focus was coins and medals of George Washington. The somewhat tattered Norweb envelope that accompanies this coin has an old pencil notation on the inside of the back flap, slightly smeared but legible, that tells the story of this piece: "Given E.M.N. by her grandfather, 1908, the gold piece that started the collection."
The Norweb biographical work by Michael Hodder and Q. David Bowers mentions this exact coin, though the facts were somewhat confused when the book was written in 1987. This coin only recently came to light with the Norweb Washingtonia and may not have been seen by them. On page 48 of that book, the authors wrote:
"The only coin that is certainly known to have belonged to Liberty is a 1799 (sic) $10 gold piece, holed for use as a watch fob, which Mrs. Norweb recorded as having received from her grandfather (Liberty). ... Whether she meant that this piece was the first coin Liberty bought; or the first coin she owned is not known. But at least we know that Liberty thought enough of it to keep it, and then pass it on to his granddaughter."
Mrs. Norweb received this piece a year before the taking of a now famous portrait photograph showing young Emery May seated, with long dark curls and a large white bow in her hair. Soon after, the passion was ignited enough that the teenaged Emery May would be found making pencil rubbings of rare colonials and attributing them using her Crosby book. Those pencil rubbings, dated 1908, are depicted on pp. 162-168 of the Norweb book.
While any example of the first $10 coin of the United States is of some value, the primary interest in this coin is bound to be its connection to this famous collector. We hope the next owner will cherish it as she did.
From the Norweb Collection. Given to Emery May Norweb in 1908 by her grandfather, Liberty Holden.
Orville, I hadn't seen the original thread in '06. That is an absolutely amzing story and a wonderful piece of history! Congrats to both Tradedollarnut and you!
Here's one that I paid too much for but just don't care:
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Regarding the Norweb 1795, I always wondered who bought the coin. I was blown out of the bidding rather early in that auction. A great provenance that went for about double what I thought. Congratulations to the winners and proud owners.
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Actually I have an MS-64 Sesqui I overpaid for, but in the long run what the heck. We can't take these coins or the money with us, so enjoy them while you can. We pass this way but once.
I apologize for not having a picture of the coin.
Ron
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Nice coin in the OP
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Not easy to image but I did the best I could
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WOW!! Awesome Merc!!!
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that Merc is AT
Just foolin...I love it
See my icon for a coin I paid too much for and just don't care
rainbowroosie April 1, 2003
I've got a few coins that fall into this category, trying to find some images of them.
An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.
and another...
and another...
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The 1826 CBH is a sure fire +. The other 2 are super nice, but may not get the extra grade.
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Now that is nice!
Scotland - Thistle Noble, ca. 1588 146/8d
This piece is an extremely rare and one year type. The coin was worth eleven merks or 146 shillings and 8 pence. Curiously the design is a throwback to earlier English nobles of the 14th century. These pieces were not popular, and were called in and quickly replaced by the sixth coinage. the legend around the periphery of the obverse of the coin is IACOBUS 6 DEI GRATIA REX SCOTORUM or James 6 by the grace of God, King of Scots. The legend on the reverse FLORENT SCEPTRA PIIS REGNA HIS IVOA DAT NUMERATQUE or "Sceptres flourish with the pious, Jehovah gives them the kingdoms and numbers them".
<< <i>I'll give you three
You have excellent taste
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Now that is nice! >>
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U.S. Type Set
Rainbow Stars
Off the top of my head....
I paid MS 63 money for this AU 58.
I'm so buried in this coin, I may never sell it.
1896-S - PCGS 58
This coin is scheduled to be professionally imaged.
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New Barber Purchases
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<< <i>A DB$ I really like.
OUCH!!
1919-S NGC MS63
NGC OLD SOAP BAR MS64
Edit to add: Here's one that I didn't mind paying well over market for--and quite a bit more than I could probably recoup if resold.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
JH
Proof Buffalo Registry Set
Capped Bust Quarters Registry Set
Proof Walking Liberty Halves Registry Set
"Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
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But here's the one that immediately came to mind when I read the title of this thread -
"Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
http://www.americanlegacycoins.com
This is now one of the plate coins that appears on the Coin Facts site.
This is a re-post of a post back in late 2006.
Well, this is the shortest version I can come up of a story that has evolved over a full century.
This is a story that began with Liberty Holden, Emery Mae Norweb's grandfather and continues to tradedollarnut today. The following shows that tradedollarnut is a classy guy and a man of integrity. he is not into the "competition" of being "better than everyone else" as some accuse him of. He just loves great coins and is more than willing to share them with everyone else. It is about sharing and enjoying the thrill of the hunt not about winning at the expense of others.
I salute tradedollarnut as the the first member of the Oreville Hall of Honor!!!!
He deserves it.
Many of you may be aware I have always looked up to Emery Mae Norweb and her husband Ambassador Henry Norweb and was fortunate enough to sit with them and hold their fabulous collection in my hands in Ohio beginning in 1971.
This was one of my favorite coins that "spoke to me" as it was Emery's favorite coin since it was the coin that her grandfather gave to her which started her coin collection. I distinctly remember her moist eyes as she spoke about her grandfather giving her his 1795 watch fob coin. I remember being surprised since I initially thought that Ambassador Henry Norweb was the primary coin collector in the Norweb family.
For 15 years I was mystified as to what happened to this coin when I never saw it sell in any of the Norweb auctions. Then it finally came up for sale at the Stacks auction in the fall of 2006.
I bid very strong on this coin and told tradedollarnut of my intentions to win this coin. Tradedollarnut knew how much this coin meant to me. Unfortunately, my isp server failed and was not able to counterbid in the live bidding process (stupid me for not following up with a telephone bid) and tradedollar came to the rescue by arranging a bid to win the coin against another floor bidder who had outbid my earlier strong bid.
He then pm'd me and said simply:
<< <i>Because I know how much it means to you, I'd like to offer to split it with you. We can rotate possession of it. Let me know. B >>
I joyfully and tearily accepted immediately and told him:
<< <i> Thank the lord you are around!!!
I had bid several times then up to $25,100 before the sale and then my internet went down!!
Then I did not get to see what happened and was REALLY DEPRESSED! I never even expected this piece to go over $20K let alone $25K!
I am so thankful you came to the rescue! Why didn't we think of this before, about splitting the ownership? I am not into exclusivity of ownership anyway! This is history!
Don't mean to get all sloppy on you but I was actually in tears over your generosity.
Thank you so much.
>>
So tradedollarnut and I are now the happy co-owners of this wonderful coin. We both intend to make sure that this wonderful coinand its history is treated with respect and give it a great permanent home. We are still trying to figure this one out.
Prior thread on a Priceless piece of Numismatic History
1795 Bass Dannreuther-1,Taraszka-1, Breen 1-A. Rarity-3+. Net F-12;
sharpness of VF-35, holed with suspension loop. Medium yellow gold with typical jewelry surfaces, loop added perpendicular to surfaces at 12:00. Good detail remains. The importance of this coin is not in its quality, or even the rarity of the 1795 Small Eagle $10 in general. Instead, this was the coin that launched a lifetime love of all things numismatic by Emery May Norweb, perhaps the greatest female numismatist America has yet produced and one of the great collectors (of either gender) of all time. Little Emery May was but 13 or 14 when she received this coin as a gift from her grandfather Liberty Holden, a fascinating character with interests in mining and newspapers, among other things. Liberty was the progenitor of the entire Norweb Collection and, appropriately, his special focus was coins and medals of George Washington. The somewhat tattered Norweb envelope that accompanies this coin has an old pencil notation on the inside of the back flap, slightly smeared but legible, that tells the story of this piece: "Given E.M.N. by her grandfather, 1908, the gold piece that started the collection."
The Norweb biographical work by Michael Hodder and Q. David Bowers mentions this exact coin, though the facts were somewhat confused when the book was written in 1987. This coin only recently came to light with the Norweb Washingtonia and may not have been seen by them. On page 48 of that book, the authors wrote:
"The only coin that is certainly known to have belonged to Liberty is a 1799 (sic) $10 gold piece, holed for use as a watch fob, which Mrs. Norweb recorded as having received from her grandfather (Liberty). ... Whether she meant that this piece was the first coin Liberty bought; or the first coin she owned is not known. But at least we know that Liberty thought enough of it to keep it, and then pass it on to his granddaughter."
Mrs. Norweb received this piece a year before the taking of a now famous portrait photograph showing young Emery May seated, with long dark curls and a large white bow in her hair. Soon after, the passion was ignited enough that the teenaged Emery May would be found making pencil rubbings of rare colonials and attributing them using her Crosby book. Those pencil rubbings, dated 1908, are depicted on pp. 162-168 of the Norweb book.
While any example of the first $10 coin of the United States is of some value, the primary interest in this coin is bound to be its connection to this famous collector. We hope the next owner will cherish it as she did.
From the Norweb Collection. Given to Emery May Norweb in 1908 by her grandfather, Liberty Holden.
Here's one that I paid too much for but just don't care:
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BONGO HURTLES ALONG THE RAIN SODDEN HIGHWAY OF LIFE ON UNDERINFLATED BALD RETREAD TIRES
Actually I have an MS-64 Sesqui I overpaid for, but in the long run what the heck. We can't take these coins or the money with us, so enjoy them while you can. We pass this way but once.
I apologize for not having a picture of the coin.
Ron
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
AB