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Anyone looking for a 51 Bowman Mantle PSA 8?

You have to read this description. Trust me.

My favorite line: "If I was trying to scam anyone I would not be on ebay"

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  • This listing is such a joke. First off, the username is superimposed onto a picuture of the Mantle card and not directly placed on the case. I love the grammar used in this line, it makes it look like she

    wasn't quite sure when her husband died. "He got this card right before he passed away sometime in August." Oh he died sometime between August 1st and 31st but that's not important. Terrible.
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    added to Watch List. don't wanna miss it. image
  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,617 ✭✭✭✭
    Nice that she posted Dave's cell phone # in the Q&A section. How can this listing not have an item location section?
    "My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
  • thunderdanthunderdan Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭


    << <i>This listing is such a joke. First off, the username is superimposed onto a picuture of the Mantle card and not directly placed on the case. I love the grammar used in this line, it makes it look like she

    wasn't quite sure when her husband died. "He got this card right before he passed away sometime in August." Oh he died sometime between August 1st and 31st but that's not important. Terrible. >>



    Sounds like she and her late husband were close.
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  • TNP777TNP777 Posts: 5,710 ✭✭✭
    "I have many items left so let me know what you like and I will travel to the Deposit Box and check it out."

    Quick, let's all come up with a shopping list
  • corvette1340corvette1340 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭
    I messaged her and told her that the Mantle with that serial number was mine and I have contacted ebay about it.
  • BunkerBunker Posts: 3,926
    Also, he/she has one feedback that was given on the same day as the item she was selling sold and it happens to be with a zero feedback buyer.
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  • BunkerBunker Posts: 3,926


    << <i>I messaged her and told her that the Mantle with that serial number was mine and I have contacted ebay about it. >>



    I can't wait to see her response to that!
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    My daughter was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes at the age of 2 (2003). My son was diagnosed with Type 1 when he was 17 on December 31, 2009. We were stunned that another child of ours had been diagnosed. Please, if you don't have a favorite charity, consider giving to the JDRF (Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation)

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  • thunderdanthunderdan Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I messaged her and told her that the Mantle with that serial number was mine and I have contacted ebay about it. >>



    Tommy, prove you have the Mantle by showing us that you wiped your ass with it. The cert needs to show through the skid

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  • corvette1340corvette1340 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>I messaged her and told her that the Mantle with that serial number was mine and I have contacted ebay about it. >>



    Tommy, prove you have the Mantle by showing us that you wiped your ass with it. The cert needs to show through the skid >>



    lol, I don't actually have it, but if I did I would certainly entertain the masses with that exact picture.
  • thunderdanthunderdan Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>I messaged her and told her that the Mantle with that serial number was mine and I have contacted ebay about it. >>



    Tommy, prove you have the Mantle by showing us that you wiped your ass with it. The cert needs to show through the skid >>



    lol, I don't actually have it, but if I did I would certainly entertain the masses with that exact picture. >>



    You do have a way with pictures, Tommy. lol.
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  • You really want to believe the story so you can stop by and make a house visit and play 10 cents on the dollar for the stuff. It is funny about the superimposed name. Lastly, if I met her at the local police station with $25,000, I wonder if she would show up.
  • corvette1340corvette1340 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭
    her reply was "are you crazy?" , lol.

    yes, yes I am, Ms. '51 Bowman Mantle PSA 8.
  • mexpo75mexpo75 Posts: 1,938 ✭✭✭✭
    It does say item location, Ridgewood, NY. What is downside if paying with CC?
    PackManInNC
  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,617 ✭✭✭✭
    A PSA 8 Bowman Mantle rookie with this cert # sold in Goodwin's 7/17/09 Auction. It's been re-holdered, but it looks like it might be the same card. Perhaps someone can post a scan of both cards together here.
    "My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just curious,

    other then the iffy feedback and auction verbage; how does the holder look to those who are good at determing a fake holder?
  • Here are side by side comparisons of her listing and the Goodwin auction, the print dots in the nameplate on the front appear to match up as do the wax stains and print dots on the back.

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  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am not an expert but the holder looks very real to me.
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    She did claim he just got the card prior to his death sometime in August.

    This will be interesting to see how this plays out.

  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    she ain't got no card, bro.

    she has two hijacked scans.
  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am sure you are right.

    I just don't understand why people even bother playing games. You pay with PayPal and use a credit card. It just seems like such a waste of time on her part.

  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    the plausibility of this is laughable, but adreneline is a funny thing.

    some of us are trained to find the hidden truth behind the mask of reality, but i applaud those people who think we're Neanderthal.

    now you know why i Watch Listed this, it's a must see. image
  • theczartheczar Posts: 1,590 ✭✭
    it appears to be a two person bidding war. looks like the seller has a couple of accomplices.
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭


    << <i>it appears to be a two person bidding war. looks like the seller has a couple of accomplices. >>



    the high bidder has at least a minor interest in Sports stuff, but also a knack for shopping in the Home & Garden > Bedding category.....girl chum carrying the torch here?

    however, the underbidders seem legit and may be caught in the web.
  • Definitely the same scan as the Legacy auction, I'm sure she put her little paper banner over the scan to cover up the little "AB" watermark on the lower left corner of the legacy scans.
  • thunderdanthunderdan Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭
    " I talked to quite a few people and some were yelling at my late husband estate attorney, asking for details of his license etc. He was upset that he was hasseled like a criminal"

    And her reponse to Tommy's question was "are you crazy?"

    LOL.
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  • swartz1swartz1 Posts: 4,913 ✭✭✭
    If she needs money, maybe she should lose the lawyer...


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  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    getting better by the minute.

    new player in the game also likes to shop in Health & Beauty > Gel, Mousse & Spray

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  • mexpo75mexpo75 Posts: 1,938 ✭✭✭✭
    Well the "winner" paid $6700 only had one other bid in past 30 days on a coin.
    PackManInNC
  • wow someone got a deal. a psa 8 is booked at $18,750.
  • MULLINS5MULLINS5 Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭
    I called eBay about this just now:

    "Hi, I am not sure if there is anything that can be done now that the listing has ended, but there was an item sold on eBay tonight that was fraudulent."

    "Oh, really?"

    "Yes. The seller stole the image from a website, superimposed their user ID on the image, and sold it"

    "Can I get the listing ID?"

    "Sure, are you ready?"

    "Yes."

    "OK, it's 140475040945"

    And he said very sarcastically, "oh, really? and how do you know this is a stolen image?"

    "Because it's my card."

    "It's your card?"

    "Yes. The image was stolen from Legacy Auction House's website. I was the winner of this exact item and it is right here in front of me."

    "...can I get that item number again from you, I had it on my desk and it fell off."

    "Sure, it's 140475040945"

    "I'm going to get this to the Trust and Safety Department right now Mr. Mullins"

    "Thank you, if there is anything else you need from me, like scans of the item, or anything else please have eBay contact me."
  • mexpo75mexpo75 Posts: 1,938 ✭✭✭✭
    Thanks Mullins, This type of thing need to be stopped.
    PackManInNC
  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,624 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I got to the third sentence of the ebay "sales pitch" and just couldn't read any more of it.
  • wow the sky is falling 8/21/10 this mantle brings 21,000 including the juice and now a little over 2 months later it sells for just 6700 a 68% drop in value in less than 90 days, but now that I won the card for 6700, I guess i'll do a BIN on ebay for 11,000. I just need to think up a real good sob story and if anybody hassles my lawyer, he'll sick his lawyer on you and if that don't work his mommy will call and jump your butt.

    no wonder everyone is doing BIN instead of auctions on Ebay.
    U gotta feel sorry for the little old lady her hubby dies and now their lifetime investment drops from 21,000 to 6700 wow when thing go bad they really go bad.

    since the sky has fallen I think everyone should sell their vintage PSA cards now for 30% of VCP. hurry before the prices drop lower.imageimageimage
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭


    << <i>since the sky has fallen I think everyone should sell their vintage PSA cards now for 30% of VCP. hurry before the prices drop lo >>



    Run a card at a 99 cent, no reserve auction! Your wish is Ebay's command!


  • << <i>I called eBay about this just now:

    "Hi, I am not sure if there is anything that can be done now that the listing has ended, but there was an item sold on eBay tonight that was fraudulent."

    "Oh, really?"

    "Yes. The seller stole the image from a website, superimposed their user ID on the image, and sold it"

    "Can I get the listing ID?"

    "Sure, are you ready?"

    "Yes."

    "OK, it's 140475040945"

    And he said very sarcastically, "oh, really? and how do you know this is a stolen image?"

    "Because it's my card."

    "It's your card?"

    "Yes. The image was stolen from Legacy Auction House's website. I was the winner of this exact item and it is right here in front of me."

    "...can I get that item number again from you, I had it on my desk and it fell off."

    "Sure, it's 140475040945"

    "I'm going to get this to the Trust and Safety Department right now Mr. Mullins"

    "Thank you, if there is anything else you need from me, like scans of the item, or anything else please have eBay contact me." >>




    And how will you provide ebay with any specifically requested scans of this card? What you just did was no better than what the fraudulent seller did. Lied about owning something you dont own.
  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,624 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I called eBay about this just now:

    "Hi, I am not sure if there is anything that can be done now that the listing has ended, but there was an item sold on eBay tonight that was fraudulent."

    "Oh, really?"

    "Yes. The seller stole the image from a website, superimposed their user ID on the image, and sold it"

    "Can I get the listing ID?"

    "Sure, are you ready?"

    "Yes."

    "OK, it's 140475040945"

    And he said very sarcastically, "oh, really? and how do you know this is a stolen image?"

    "Because it's my card."

    "It's your card?"

    "Yes. The image was stolen from Legacy Auction House's website. I was the winner of this exact item and it is right here in front of me."

    "...can I get that item number again from you, I had it on my desk and it fell off."

    "Sure, it's 140475040945"

    "I'm going to get this to the Trust and Safety Department right now Mr. Mullins"

    "Thank you, if there is anything else you need from me, like scans of the item, or anything else please have eBay contact me." >>




    And how will you provide ebay with any specifically requested scans of this card? What you just did was no better than what the fraudulent seller did. Lied about owning something you dont own. >>



    No, it's not the same and it's not even close to being the same. He wasn't trying to scam anyone out of money and in fact was trying to prevent others from being scammed. You couldn't figure that one out?


  • << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>I called eBay about this just now:

    "Hi, I am not sure if there is anything that can be done now that the listing has ended, but there was an item sold on eBay tonight that was fraudulent."

    "Oh, really?"

    "Yes. The seller stole the image from a website, superimposed their user ID on the image, and sold it"

    "Can I get the listing ID?"

    "Sure, are you ready?"

    "Yes."

    "OK, it's 140475040945"

    And he said very sarcastically, "oh, really? and how do you know this is a stolen image?"

    "Because it's my card."

    "It's your card?"

    "Yes. The image was stolen from Legacy Auction House's website. I was the winner of this exact item and it is right here in front of me."

    "...can I get that item number again from you, I had it on my desk and it fell off."

    "Sure, it's 140475040945"

    "I'm going to get this to the Trust and Safety Department right now Mr. Mullins"

    "Thank you, if there is anything else you need from me, like scans of the item, or anything else please have eBay contact me." >>




    And how will you provide ebay with any specifically requested scans of this card? What you just did was no better than what the fraudulent seller did. Lied about owning something you dont own. >>



    No, it's not the same and it's not even close to being the same. He wasn't trying to scam anyone out of money and in fact was trying to prevent others from being scammed. You couldn't figure that one out? >>




    A little reading comprehension goes a LONG way towards effective communication. image Where did I say what Mullins did was the "same"? A goldfish is NO BETTER THAN a golden retriever....but they most certainly are not the SAME.
  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,624 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>I called eBay about this just now:

    "Hi, I am not sure if there is anything that can be done now that the listing has ended, but there was an item sold on eBay tonight that was fraudulent."

    "Oh, really?"

    "Yes. The seller stole the image from a website, superimposed their user ID on the image, and sold it"

    "Can I get the listing ID?"

    "Sure, are you ready?"

    "Yes."

    "OK, it's 140475040945"

    And he said very sarcastically, "oh, really? and how do you know this is a stolen image?"

    "Because it's my card."

    "It's your card?"

    "Yes. The image was stolen from Legacy Auction House's website. I was the winner of this exact item and it is right here in front of me."

    "...can I get that item number again from you, I had it on my desk and it fell off."

    "Sure, it's 140475040945"

    "I'm going to get this to the Trust and Safety Department right now Mr. Mullins"

    "Thank you, if there is anything else you need from me, like scans of the item, or anything else please have eBay contact me." >>




    And how will you provide ebay with any specifically requested scans of this card? What you just did was no better than what the fraudulent seller did. Lied about owning something you dont own. >>



    No, it's not the same and it's not even close to being the same. He wasn't trying to scam anyone out of money and in fact was trying to prevent others from being scammed. You couldn't figure that one out? >>




    A little reading comprehension goes a LONG way towards effective communication. image Where did I say what Mullins did was the "same"? A goldfish is NO BETTER THAN a golden retriever....but they most certainly are not the SAME. >>



    <<< What you just did was no better than what the fraudulent seller did. >>>

    I couldn't care less about your semantics...the bottom line is that you should be complimenting the poster for his effort, not criticizing him. Case closed.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Then he wouldn't be Gecko.


    Good for you.
  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,624 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Then he wouldn't be Gecko. >>



    I see...I got sucked in didn't I? LOL
  • Ok, I get it. Its ok to lie in order to fight another lie? Message received.....at that rate, eventually there will be nothing but lies. Very sound reasoning steveK! image
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    hooray for ethics.

    let's see here gecko, there's a person on eBay trying to con people out of thousands of dollars of their hard-earned (or laundered) money for a non-existant item, and you are worried about whether or not a third party concern might concoct a white lie to start what could potentially be a REMOVAL of a thief from the marketplace.

    yeah. bad move.
  • Strangely, I have to agree with Gecko. You guys are going overboard on a suspicion. Anyone have any solid evidence she did not have the card, or would a third person like to claim ownership.
    Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards.
    Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    too many red flags Mark. when viewed in a simple way, yes it seems to be a witch hunt, but typically multiple suspicions eventually lead to convictions.

    without them, we never even get started on a cure.


  • << <i>hooray for ethics.

    let's see here gecko, there's a person on eBay trying to con people out of thousands of dollars of their hard-earned (or laundered) money for a non-existant item, and you are worried about whether or not a third party concern might concoct a white lie to start what could potentially be a REMOVAL of a thief from the marketplace.

    yeah. bad move. >>





    image Anyone who bid on that card is a serious hobby enthusiast (except for the shills). If you have that amount of cash to spend on a card, AND you are the type of buyer who targets cards of that caliber, just how stupid do you think that person is going to be exactly? Furthermore, do you have a suspicion that the seller is a fraud, or solid, factual evidence she is a fraud? Be honest, which is it? I personally think the auction is a fraud, but that gives me no right to call ebay and LIE to them that I actually own the card in question, does it?

    Now lets play devil's advocate here for just a second. Humor me if you will. Lets just ASSUME that this seller was in fact the owner of the card, and now someone like Mullins comes along to torpedo the deal just because he "thinks this listing is BS". When its discovered by EBAY that Mullins lied about owning the card, and furthermore that the seller PROVES to EBAY that she does in fact own the card, then what becomes of Mullins in regard to EBAY? Do you think he should get a lifetime ban after pulling this stunt? Or should he just say "sorry, but I just thought........".

    Do you understand my point now? There is NEVER a justification to lie about something like this just to defeat what you SUSPECT is another lie.
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    Gecko, i think the simple solution here would be to prove that the scans from the Legacy auction which ended 8/21/10 were the exact same ones used in the just completed auction yesterday, should be fairly easy.

    now, without creating an argument here, again this is indeed suspicion and it's built completely around suspicions, so here's another question.....if this person is sitting on rare and valuable items from a dead husband's estate and is consulting with an attorney, HTF did this so-called "attorney" not recommend that these valuable and rare items be forwarded to an auction house in favor of a large advance? why pizz it away on eBay? makes no sense.

    then, let's go back and examine the underbidders of the Mantle auction, a couple of whom specialized in the purchases of Garden or Hair Care products before this Mantle came along.

    suspicions, suspicions, suspicions.....this makes no sense.

    ya wanna nail a thief, ya gotta start somewhere.....i think the most glaring mistake made was the suggestion that an attorney was involved. what a joke. image
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