<<<Is there any basis for this conclusion? At the end of a day a coach is paid the big $ to put their team in the best position to win. Obviously he thought the team had a better chance by going for it and potentially giving the Colts a short field. If Bill is such a genius for going for it on 4th down then why bother tackling Addai a yard short of the endzone? If you're gutsy enough to go for it on 4th down on your 28 you had might as well let Indy score a TD and get the ball back with as much time as possible and hope for a FG.>>>
I agree with you about letting them score once they got to the 1 yard line - they absolutely should have let Addai score on 1st and goal from the 1. That would have given them about 35 seconds to get into FG range.
<<<jdip9 it's fine to disagree with others but to try and use stats to back your position then use made up stats like "50/50 at best" is kinda lame. Maybe the true numbers for how often the Colts score on drives like that but just to pull numbers out of a hat and say that proves others are wrong is also wrong. >>>
To be honest, considering that they had only stopped them 33% of the time in the 4th quarter, I thought I was being conservative by saying 50/50, especially given the momentum of the game. I don't think you can take all the drives combined in the entire game or even the 2nd half, because the game was clearly played differently in the 4th quarter. The Pats started playing some sort of quasi-prevent defense, and let the Colts march at will. They stopped them once because Manning and Wayne didn't make the same read. Not likely to happen again that game.
When the Pats didn't convert 3rd and 2, my first thought was, "I can't believe the Pats are going to lose this game". My second thought was "they have to go for this, they can't give it back to Manning". I had ZERO confidence that the Pats would stop the Colts from 30, 70 or 99 yards. Obviously Belichick did too.
Would all the Tony Dungy's and Rodney Harrison's of the world still choose to punt if you told them up-front that you were going to complete the pass on 4th down? Or would they still be too chicken-bleep to go for it?
I don't know but it obviously said I don't have confidence in my defense which is why Rodny Harrison was so disappointed with the decision.
Also the way the game ended kinda makes me mad because if they kick the ball away and Peyton scores, they can say that Peyton and the Colts O were too good at the end. But by going for it and failing nobody will give Peyton any credit for the win. Patriot fans will say the game was given away. I reality if the Pats are playing anyone else other than the Colts they kick it away in that situation I believe.
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Morgoth - you are absolutely right - there is no doubt they kick it away against anybody other than Indy. Against anybody else, that call was wrong, and there is no way I can defend it. Against Peyton Manning, it was the correct call. I think that is what most of the pundits don't understand - they are trying to apply conventional wisdom to a situation that required outside of the box thinking.
The definition of insanity is doing the same things over and over again and expecting different results. Manning has shown too many times that he will drive his team to the win in that situation if given the chance....Belichick tried to prevent him from doing that.
The AFC playoffs should be very interesting this year - the Pats, Colts and Chargers are basically the same team - all have spectacular offenses and suspect defenses. Then there will be Pittsburgh, Cincy, and Baltimore - more of the traditional playoff-type teams that win with a strong running game and defense. Traditionally, the teams that resemble the 2nd group win when it counts....
It's hard to say what will happen which is why the NFL is so cool. Traditionally teams like the Steelers needed home field to keep teams like SD or Indy off their home fields and good weather so their defense would have an advantage. But remember the Steelers first SB win with Roethlisberger, they won all their playoff games on the road. I believe the Giants did it as well so homefield may not be all its cracked up to be anymore.
Last year it most certainly helped the Steelers beat the Chargers just like it helped SD beat Indy but it didnt help Carolina vs. Arizona.
I think it comes down to matchups here is how I see it.
Indy- Good against the Steelers, Texans, Bengals, Ravens. Bad against the Patriots, Chargers. If they play the Pats at home its a coin toss IMO, on the road they lose. Pats- Good against the Colts, Ravens, Texans, Chargers Bad against the Steelers and Bengals (Steelers only compete if Polamalu plays Bengals 2ndary is really good).
Chargers have the Colts number it seems just like the Steelers have the Ravens and until this year the Bengals.
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<< <i>It's hard to say what will happen which is why the NFL is so cool. Traditionally teams like the Steelers needed home field to keep teams like SD or Indy off their home fields and good weather so their defense would have an advantage. But remember the Steelers first SB win with Roethlisberger, they won all their playoff games on the road. I believe the Giants did it as well so homefield may not be all its cracked up to be anymore.
Last year it most certainly helped the Steelers beat the Chargers just like it helped SD beat Indy but it didnt help Carolina vs. Arizona.
I think it comes down to matchups here is how I see it.
Indy- Good against the Steelers, Texans, Bengals, Ravens. Bad against the Patriots, Chargers. If they play the Pats at home its a coin toss IMO, on the road they lose. Pats- Good against the Colts, Ravens, Texans, Chargers Bad against the Steelers and Bengals (Steelers only compete if Polamalu plays Bengals 2ndary is really good).
Chargers have the Colts number it seems just like the Steelers have the Ravens and until this year the Bengals. >>
I have the Steelers as the opposite...see 2005 Colts/Steelers game in Indy which Pittsburgh won...and multiple home losses by the Steelers versus the Pats. As a Steelers fan, I would rather play the Colts.
I am going off last year where the Colts won and the Steelers beat the Pats. I think this year the Colts and Pats would give the Steelers fits w/o Troy P.
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take away Indy's two turnovers in the 2nd half and its 42 - 38 Indy or something else utterly ridiculous. You can't go back and say if this hadn't happened all of this other stuff would have. Especially on the pick by Brady which occured like around the 35 who knows what happens next.
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<<<You can't go back and say if this hadn't happened all of this other stuff would have. >>>
Agreed. Aside from Belichick, the next most blasted Patriot has been Maroney, because of the fumble at the goal line. Fact is, they got the ball back on the 7 on their very next possession and scored a TD, so the Maroney fumble wasn't that big of a deal. Besides, who's to say that Indy wouldn't have ran back the ensuing kickoff? The whole game changes if Maroney doesn't fumble, but it doesn't mean the Pats would have won.
There is ZERO chance anyone would call Belichick a stupid gambler if they picked up the 1st down.
Hoodie better buckle down, Jets showing some signs of life..
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Pats are going to run the table and win every game from here on out ( Regular Season )
Once they get into the Playoffs anything is possible, there is no question I have my doubts about are chances of a Super Bowl but I will not believe for 1 second that we dont have a chance!
Its funny, 1 bad road game and everyone counts you out.
<< <i>Pats are going to run the table and win every game from here on out ( Regular Season )
Once they get into the Playoffs anything is possible, there is no question I have my doubts about are chances of a Super Bowl but I will not believe for 1 second that we dont have a chance!
Its funny, 1 bad road game and everyone counts you out. >>
I'm not counting them out -- I guess I was a bit shocked at how bad the defense looked against the Saints. I don't think many were touting the Giant's defense during Week 12 of the 2007 either, and they snuck up on everyone in the playoffs -- this year Patriots are capable of that as well.
Geez, hoodie actually PUNTED on the 4th down I thought he should have gone for! Brady was not 100%, but you know the team will not admit it. Still, they gave a game away they should have won. Now they will have to slog through 3 rounds of AFC playoffs, barring a collapse against the crummy teams remaining on the schedule.
Ok Im pretty much on board with those that are blaming Belichek for losing yesterdays game and questionable play calling.
First off I dont trust Goskowski past the 40 but inside the Red Zone we need to start taking the easy 3, its painfully obvious that Belichek needs to let go of that idea inside his head that "We can do whatever we want, try and stop us" THIS IS NOT 2007! We are good enough to win these games but we need to get back to fundamentals and make smarter decisions. Why abandon the run after the first quarter? Maroney has actually played pretty well save the fumbalitas..
I didnt hear that, however it wont bother me one bit if he is. People talk about Moss and all this phony hoopla about him when Adalius is the problem child.
Just wondering how a coach can send players home for being 9 minutes late to a meeting? Sounds like a number of them called and said they would be a little late. It was a snow storm! As a Jet fan, this turmoil is great, Patriots seem to have a lack of leadership this year. For those Patriot fans that think it's a lock they make the playoffs- it's not. I would love to see the Jets make the playoffs this year, but it's more likely to be the Dolphin's.
<< <i>Just wondering how a coach can send players home for being 9 minutes late to a meeting? Sounds like a number of them called and said they would be a little late. It was a snow storm! As a Jet fan, this turmoil is great, Patriots seem to have a lack of leadership this year. For those Patriot fans that think it's a lock they make the playoffs- it's not. I would love to see the Jets make the playoffs this year, but it's more likely to be the Dolphin's. >>
<< <i>Looking more Solid today then we have in awhile!
Hopefully we are getting it together at the right time and we can continue into the Playoffs playing good Football like today. >>
I like the fact that Wilfork sat out and will likely rest next week too. Next week's game is the Patriots' bye week as far as I'm concerned. >>
Exactly, a Healthy Team is a Good Team. We can make a run at it if we stay healthy and continue to play like we did today, anything is possible as evidenced by TB beating NO.
Edit: I wouldnt mind Moss & Welker playing sparingly next week, Welker has been taking a Beating this year.
that knee injury to Welker should answer questions about resting players during meaningless games and about whether or not the Patriots will win a SB this year
<< <i>that knee injury to Welker should answer questions about resting players during meaningless games and about whether or not the Patriots will win a SB this year
It looked ugly. >>
Hindsight is 20-20. There is no way Welker would have sat a whole game, and even if he was on Indy he would have played the first half.
There is no way you could have kept him out of the game completely, gotta keep these guys "Game Sharp" It sucs he got hurt but it does happen, nobody to blame.
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I agree with you about letting them score once they got to the 1 yard line - they absolutely should have let Addai score on 1st and goal from the 1. That would have given them about 35 seconds to get into FG range.
<<<jdip9 it's fine to disagree with others but to try and use stats to back your position then use made up stats like "50/50 at best" is kinda lame. Maybe the true numbers for how often the Colts score on drives like that but just to pull numbers out of a hat and say that proves others are wrong is also wrong. >>>
To be honest, considering that they had only stopped them 33% of the time in the 4th quarter, I thought I was being conservative by saying 50/50, especially given the momentum of the game. I don't think you can take all the drives combined in the entire game or even the 2nd half, because the game was clearly played differently in the 4th quarter. The Pats started playing some sort of quasi-prevent defense, and let the Colts march at will. They stopped them once because Manning and Wayne didn't make the same read. Not likely to happen again that game.
When the Pats didn't convert 3rd and 2, my first thought was, "I can't believe the Pats are going to lose this game". My second thought was "they have to go for this, they can't give it back to Manning". I had ZERO confidence that the Pats would stop the Colts from 30, 70 or 99 yards. Obviously Belichick did too.
Would all the Tony Dungy's and Rodney Harrison's of the world still choose to punt if you told them up-front that you were going to complete the pass on 4th down? Or would they still be too chicken-bleep to go for it?
Also the way the game ended kinda makes me mad because if they kick the ball away and Peyton scores, they can say that Peyton and the Colts O were too good at the end. But by going for it and failing nobody will give Peyton any credit for the win. Patriot fans will say the game was given away. I reality if the Pats are playing anyone else other than the Colts they kick it away in that situation I believe.
The definition of insanity is doing the same things over and over again and expecting different results. Manning has shown too many times that he will drive his team to the win in that situation if given the chance....Belichick tried to prevent him from doing that.
The AFC playoffs should be very interesting this year - the Pats, Colts and Chargers are basically the same team - all have spectacular offenses and suspect defenses. Then there will be Pittsburgh, Cincy, and Baltimore - more of the traditional playoff-type teams that win with a strong running game and defense. Traditionally, the teams that resemble the 2nd group win when it counts....
Last year it most certainly helped the Steelers beat the Chargers just like it helped SD beat Indy but it didnt help Carolina vs. Arizona.
I think it comes down to matchups here is how I see it.
Indy- Good against the Steelers, Texans, Bengals, Ravens. Bad against the Patriots, Chargers. If they play the Pats at home its a coin toss IMO, on the road they lose.
Pats- Good against the Colts, Ravens, Texans, Chargers Bad against the Steelers and Bengals (Steelers only compete if Polamalu plays Bengals 2ndary is really good).
Chargers have the Colts number it seems just like the Steelers have the Ravens and until this year the Bengals.
<< <i>It's hard to say what will happen which is why the NFL is so cool. Traditionally teams like the Steelers needed home field to keep teams like SD or Indy off their home fields and good weather so their defense would have an advantage. But remember the Steelers first SB win with Roethlisberger, they won all their playoff games on the road. I believe the Giants did it as well so homefield may not be all its cracked up to be anymore.
Last year it most certainly helped the Steelers beat the Chargers just like it helped SD beat Indy but it didnt help Carolina vs. Arizona.
I think it comes down to matchups here is how I see it.
Indy- Good against the Steelers, Texans, Bengals, Ravens. Bad against the Patriots, Chargers. If they play the Pats at home its a coin toss IMO, on the road they lose.
Pats- Good against the Colts, Ravens, Texans, Chargers Bad against the Steelers and Bengals (Steelers only compete if Polamalu plays Bengals 2ndary is really good).
Chargers have the Colts number it seems just like the Steelers have the Ravens and until this year the Bengals. >>
I have the Steelers as the opposite...see 2005 Colts/Steelers game in Indy which Pittsburgh won...and multiple home losses by the Steelers versus the Pats. As a Steelers fan, I would rather play the Colts.
<< <i>.If Brady threw a first down, game over and Belicheck would have been called a genius for the thousandth time.
.rd >>
No, I would have still called him a stupid gambler. Belechump better stay away from the casinos for now.
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<< <i>.If Brady threw a first down, game over and Belicheck would have been called a genius for the thousandth time.
.rd >>
No, I would have still called him a stupid gambler. Belechump better stay away from the casinos for now.
Cmon Coin!!! We can NOT be calling Belichek " Belechump " He has brought too much to NE to even consider him a chump.
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<< <i>.If Brady threw a first down, game over and Belicheck would have been called a genius for the thousandth time.
.rd >>
No, I would have still called him a stupid gambler. Belechump better stay away from the casinos for now.
Cmon Coin!!! We can NOT be calling Belichek " Belechump " He has brought too much to NE to even consider him a chump. >>
Sorry, no Kool-Aid for me. This game should have been a blow out -- take away the 2 turnovers, and the final score is probably 48-21.
He's only a chump until the win next Sunday.
Agreed. Aside from Belichick, the next most blasted Patriot has been Maroney, because of the fumble at the goal line. Fact is, they got the ball back on the 7 on their very next possession and scored a TD, so the Maroney fumble wasn't that big of a deal. Besides, who's to say that Indy wouldn't have ran back the ensuing kickoff? The whole game changes if Maroney doesn't fumble, but it doesn't mean the Pats would have won.
There is ZERO chance anyone would call Belichick a stupid gambler if they picked up the 1st down.
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<< <i>Oh well, that was brief... >>
Pats are at 7-4, will win a weak division, and make the playoffs with maybe 11-5 or 10-6.
After that, the crystal ball goes murky.....
Once they get into the Playoffs anything is possible, there is no question I have my doubts about are chances of a Super Bowl but I will not believe for 1 second that we dont have a chance!
Its funny, 1 bad road game and everyone counts you out.
<< <i>Pats are going to run the table and win every game from here on out ( Regular Season )
Once they get into the Playoffs anything is possible, there is no question I have my doubts about are chances of a Super Bowl but I will not believe for 1 second that we dont have a chance!
Its funny, 1 bad road game and everyone counts you out. >>
I'm not counting them out -- I guess I was a bit shocked at how bad the defense looked against the Saints. I don't think many were touting the Giant's defense during Week 12 of the 2007 either, and they snuck up on everyone in the playoffs -- this year Patriots are capable of that as well.
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First off I dont trust Goskowski past the 40 but inside the Red Zone we need to start taking the easy 3, its painfully obvious that Belichek needs to let go of that idea inside his head that "We can do whatever we want, try and stop us" THIS IS NOT 2007! We are good enough to win these games but we need to get back to fundamentals and make smarter decisions. Why abandon the run after the first quarter? Maroney has actually played pretty well save the fumbalitas..
Moss Quits?
Interesting to see if Moss starts speaking out and what Belichick does with a star player doing this.
<< <i>Oh uh looks like more fall out from the Moss late for practice issue.
Moss Quits?
Interesting to see if Moss starts speaking out and what Belichick does with a star player doing this. >>
Well, Brady and Hoodie were about as supportive of Moss as they could be -- let's see if he turns it around in Buffalo.
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<< <i>Is Adalius out for good? >>
I didnt hear that, however it wont bother me one bit if he is. People talk about Moss and all this phony hoopla about him when Adalius is the problem child.
<< <i>Wilfork out for Sunday's game
That is NOT good.
Any ideas how the weather is going to be?
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<< <i>Just wondering how a coach can send players home for being 9 minutes late to a meeting? Sounds like a number of them called and said they would be a little late. It was a snow storm! As a Jet fan, this turmoil is great, Patriots seem to have a lack of leadership this year. For those Patriot fans that think it's a lock they make the playoffs- it's not. I would love to see the Jets make the playoffs this year, but it's more likely to be the Dolphin's. >>
Dont get too excited, that was last weeks news
A W is a W even if its not as glamorous as Brady throwing for 300+ and lighting this Bills team up.
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Your sig girls have been there so long I bet they are 50 year old has been hags by now! >>
Naw, they are just FSU Cougars now.
<< <i>Paul,
Your sig girls have been there so long I bet they are 50 year old has been hags by now! >>
Prolly right Dan, however they still catch your eye though
Hopefully we are getting it together at the right time and we can continue into the Playoffs playing good Football like today.
<< <i>Looking more Solid today then we have in awhile!
Hopefully we are getting it together at the right time and we can continue into the Playoffs playing good Football like today. >>
I like the fact that Wilfork sat out and will likely rest next week too. Next week's game is the Patriots' bye week as far as I'm concerned.
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<< <i>Looking more Solid today then we have in awhile!
Hopefully we are getting it together at the right time and we can continue into the Playoffs playing good Football like today. >>
I like the fact that Wilfork sat out and will likely rest next week too. Next week's game is the Patriots' bye week as far as I'm concerned. >>
Exactly, a Healthy Team is a Good Team. We can make a run at it if we stay healthy and continue to play like we did today, anything is possible as evidenced by TB beating NO.
Edit: I wouldnt mind Moss & Welker playing sparingly next week, Welker has been taking a Beating this year.
It looked ugly.
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<< <i>that knee injury to Welker should answer questions about resting players during meaningless games and about whether or not the Patriots will win a SB this year
It looked ugly. >>
Hindsight is 20-20. There is no way Welker would have sat a whole game, and even if he was on Indy he would have played the first half.