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  • << <i>Kind of a funny story. I still think the OP is an "*****"
    I dont think its funny to brag about ripping some old man out of 4 or 5 grand on a coin. I dont think its funny to post here boasting about your blatent rips of people. I would still love to hear what shop you work at? >>



    Another pathetically ignorant statement.image
  • tmot99tmot99 Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭
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  • << <i>

    << <i>Kind of a funny story. I still think the OP is an "*****"
    I dont think its funny to brag about ripping some old man out of 4 or 5 grand on a coin. I dont think its funny to post here boasting about your blatent rips of people. I would still love to hear what shop you work at? >>



    Another pathetically ignorant statement.image >>



    I would love to hear what is so ignorant about my opinion on the matter.

    Is it ignorant to say that I dont like the fact that someone bragged about ripping some coin from some old man?
    Is it ignorant I dont think its funny posting here boasting about ripping some old man?
    Oh it must be ignorant that I am curious to see what shop he works at??

    Yes your right 100% ignorant image


    None of us are angels thats 100% true. Do I think he did something wrong? Thats not for me to judge. Do I disagree with how something was handled? Once again not my issue. The only thing I disliked was that the origional post seemed to be very boastful and a bit distasteful.



  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I no longer do B&M's and Smaller Show's as some of the unethical dealer to customer purchase tactics I've heard always left my head spinning! image
    To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
  • DropdaflagDropdaflag Posts: 809 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm not on meds and its still a funny story!!!!!!
  • dohdoh Posts: 6,457 ✭✭✭
    When all this started I didn't think too much of it. Now I, and I'm sure I'm not alone here, just want you to shut up and let this die.
    Positive BST transactions with: too many names to list! 36 at last count.
  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,694 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>When all this started I didn't think too much of it. Now I, and I'm sure I'm not alone here, just want you to shut up and let this die. >>



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    Sean Reynolds
    Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.

    "Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
  • nankrautnankraut Posts: 4,565 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Maybe it's just the pain meds, but I thought that was a funny story - thanks for the laugh! >>

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    Yeah...lighten up folks; I think Keets is just having some fun here.
    I'm the Proud recipient of a genuine "you suck" award dated 1/24/05. I was accepted into the "Circle of Trust" on 3/9/09.
  • lathmachlathmach Posts: 4,720
    Ya know Keets, you seem to be doing what you can to get the readers of these threads here, to dislike B&M dealers. Is there some reason for this?

    Ray




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    << <i>Maybe it's just the pain meds, but I thought that was a funny story - thanks for the laugh! >>

    image

    Yeah...lighten up folks; I think Keets is just having some fun here. >>



    But, some of these boys have their panties pulled up way to far.image
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    All in all I think we even got some of the Modern stuff for under face and most of the Gold/Silver way back of melt.

    As most B&M dealers like this never venture to the point of being able to afford any advertising... it's all grass roots via word of mouth.

    Your reputation is all you have and soon your known as the coin shop that screwed someones Grandma.

    imageimage
    To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is it ignorant to say.......................

    soty27, what i'd say is ignorant is for you not to acknowledge my PM. you apparently have your mind made up about a lot of things and aren't even interested in the truth.

    Your reputation is all you have and soon your known as the coin shop that screwed someones Grandma

    yeah, another guy that has it all figured out, yet he doesn't even realize that the OP of this thread is a sarcastic twist encompassing everything bad we've been accused of doing, and inspired by a joke sent by another member in a different thread.

    this is all like some perverted game of online telephone where each listener assumes that what they think they heard is the original story and the undeniable truth.image
  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    A sarcasm , acerbic sense of humor

    or instructive anecdote ,are sometimes

    difficult for some folks to fully grasp. Of

    course in my case, I seem to grasp less

    every year.image
    There once was a place called
    Camelotimage
  • Broadstruck,
    Is that the granny from 'For the Love of RayJ'?
  • streeterstreeter Posts: 4,312 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Keets, I have always thought you would have given Hemmingway a run for his money.

    Well done lad. But for cryin out loud...it's BIDDIE not bittie.
    Have a nice day
  • droopyddroopyd Posts: 5,381 ✭✭✭


    << <i>But for cryin out loud...it's BIDDIE not bittie. >>



    That's why they pay me the big bucks... I'm one of the few people left who knows the difference!

    But I won't "loose" any sleep over it.
    Me at the Springfield coin show:
    image
    60 years into this hobby and I'm still working on my Lincoln set!
  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,375 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Great thread... everything from Mid Century furniture design to Hollywood casting possibilities... and the VF war nickels that got away

    Can it really get any better?

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    Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,444 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • joecopperjoecopper Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭
    I understand - at our local shop they let the regular customers watch.
  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    When it comes to trust.....I don't even trust myself.

    That's why my right hand never tells my left hand what

    it is doing and visa versa.

    There once was a place called
    Camelotimage
  • YaHaYaHa Posts: 4,220


    << <i>When it comes to trust.....I don't even trust myself.

    That's why my right hand never tells my left hand what

    it is doing and visa versa. >>




    Come Bear, your senerio is like one Salmon tastes like Crab dip and the other Salmon tastes like the Crabs dip, dip.image

    Silly ole Bear.. It's almost August, time to stock up on Blackberrys.
  • <<<Keets, I have always thought you would have given Hemmingway a run for his money.

    Well done lad. But for cryin out loud...it's BIDDIE not bittie. >>>

    and...... that's Hemingway not Hemmingway.
  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,701 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I understand - at our local shop they let the regular customers watch. >>



    At some coin shops they'll let the regulars keep any coins that
    fly out of their pockets or off their person so long as it's not gold
    or an '01-S quarter.

    No one I know will let the regulars help unless the biddie is get-
    ting away. Otherwise they'd be trying to get coins airbourne.
    Tempus fugit.
  • coinpicturescoinpictures Posts: 5,345 ✭✭✭
    Frankly, I thought it was hilarious. It was clearly written tongue-in-cheek. Some of you need to be whacked with a clue-by-four.
  • WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭
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    Our local B&M is not as elaborate and is more or less automated and doesn’t take
    any chances of even letting a potential customer into the store. Once the person
    sees that the entrance door has an electronic buzzer, they ring the bell and it’s
    Good-bye Joe, right through a gravity fed the trap door.

    Once the customer is tumbling in the chute, the coins get dislodged and are automatically
    sorted as they fall through the various calibrated slots. Upon arriving in a disheveled mass,
    the customer has been summarily “fleeced” with out his/her knowledge that it even happened.

    Meantime, the trap door is hydraulically re-set for the next customer.
    Chat Board Lingo

    "Keep your malarkey filter in good operating order" -Walter Breen
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,444 ✭✭✭✭✭
    All our knowledge has its origins in our perceptions.
    ~Leonardo da Vinci~

    Or as my mom would say :
    "don't believe every thing you hear, and only half of what you see"
  • FullStepJeffsFullStepJeffs Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭
    Okay, since none have done it yet... here goes nothing:

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    I do think it's interesting about the hundreds of rips posted by collectors like it's no big deal or a good slap on the back, but when a dealer ends up with an unintentional rip and talks about it, they are strung up.

    Now, I know why more dealers don't talk about the things that show up.

    And I'll say this for Al... as someone who has done business with him through this website in the past, I've never had an issue with what he sells or how it's described. There are others on this board who aren't so blessed.

    Now, back to your lynch mob...

    Peace from the Middle East!

    Steve




    U.S. Air Force Security Forces Retired

    In memory of the USAF Security Forces lost: A1C Elizabeth N. Jacobson, 9/28/05; SSgt Brian McElroy, 1/22/06; TSgt Jason Norton, 1/22/06; A1C Lee Chavis, 10/14/06; SSgt John Self, 5/14/07; A1C Jason Nathan, 6/23/07; SSgt Travis Griffin, 4/3/08; 1Lt Joseph Helton, 9/8/09; SrA Nicholas J. Alden, 3/3/2011. God Bless them and all those who have lost loved ones in this war. I will never forget their loss.
  • DropdaflagDropdaflag Posts: 809 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't like my mother-in-law and she has some coins for sale. Let me know your address and I'll send her over. Thanks.
  • MarkMark Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭✭✭
    FullStepJeffs:

    I think, in general, your assertion I do think it's interesting about the hundreds of rips posted by collectors like it's no big deal or a good slap on the back, but when a dealer ends up with an unintentional rip and talks about it, they are strung up. is incorrect. If a collector rips a seller with no knowledge, then I think the collector will be chastised. If a collector rips a dealer, then I think the collector will be praised. The difference? Quite simply, it's knowledge. A dealer presumably is an expert; after all, that's how he or she makes his or her living. As an expert, I believe that:
    1) The expert has the ethical obligation to behave reasonably well to a non-expert. In other words, a dealer (or a knowledgable collector) should not rip a naive seller. Why? Because we all all naive in some areas of life. I don't want to be "ripped" by an expert car dealer nor by an expert doctor nor by an expert etc. I want these experts to behave ethically because that makes life much easier. The alternative, that is all experts attempt to rip all naive customers, means that I (and you!) would be forced to become an expert in all areas to avid being ripped, which would be an incredibly costly endeavor. I expect I would not succeed in this attempt.

    2) The expert must stand his or her opinion. In other words, if an expert makes an error in his or her area of expertise that causes him or her to lose, then he or she must live with it. In other words, if a coin dealer misses a rare VAM, a rare die state, or even a rare date and is therefore cherry picked, that's the cost of an expert making a mistake in the same way that if a doctor makes a signficant error, the doctor can be financially "punished" by a law suit.

    Obviously the fuzzy grey area is what is a rip and what is simply a decent profit margin. In my mind, Keets' actions constituted an unethical rip; others apparently disagree. So be it...
    Mark


  • telephoto1telephoto1 Posts: 4,931 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Can you say hypocrite?

    RIP Mom- 1932-2012
  • originalisbestoriginalisbest Posts: 5,955 ✭✭✭✭
    Mark states the case quite eloquently. And though this horse has been reduced to pulp... it's not at all the fact that the '01-S went unnoticed by keets at first. It's the fact that the lucky dealer (not keets, as he has seen fit to remind us) seems to show no interest in tracking down the clueless seller to, at the very least, throw them a bone. It puts all coin dealers in a bad light, and is regrettable.


  • << <i>FullStepJeffs:

    I think, in general, your assertion I do think it's interesting about the hundreds of rips posted by collectors like it's no big deal or a good slap on the back, but when a dealer ends up with an unintentional rip and talks about it, they are strung up. is incorrect. If a collector rips a seller with no knowledge, then I think the collector will be chastised. If a collector rips a dealer, then I think the collector will be praised. The difference? Quite simply, it's knowledge. A dealer presumably is an expert; after all, that's how he or she makes his or her living. As an expert, I believe that:
    1) The expert has the ethical obligation to behave reasonably well to a non-expert. In other words, a dealer (or a knowledgable collector) should not rip a naive seller. Why? Because we all all naive in some areas of life. I don't want to be "ripped" by an expert car dealer nor by an expert doctor nor by an expert etc. I want these experts to behave ethically because that makes life much easier. The alternative, that is all experts attempt to rip all naive customers, means that I (and you!) would be forced to become an expert in all areas to avid being ripped, which would be an incredibly costly endeavor. I expect I would not succeed in this attempt.

    2) The expert must stand his or her opinion. In other words, if an expert makes an error in his or her area of expertise that causes him or her to lose, then he or she must live with it. In other words, if a coin dealer misses a rare VAM, a rare die state, or even a rare date and is therefore cherry picked, that's the cost of an expert making a mistake in the same way that if a doctor makes a signficant error, the doctor can be financially "punished" by a law suit.

    Obviously the fuzzy grey area is what is a rip and what is simply a decent profit margin. In my mind, Keets' actions constituted an unethical rip; others apparently disagree. So be it... >>



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  • AndyMacAndyMac Posts: 194
    There is an article on "Ripping" in the latest Coin World. Worth reading.
    Andy
  • MarkMark Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ksteelheader:

    Thanks so much for the insightful comment. I always enjoy a good intellectural discussion.
    Mark




  • << <i>ksteelheader:

    Thanks so much for the insightful comment. I always enjoy a good intellectural discussion. >>



    It's intellectual. Your BS wasn't very intellectual either. Just a personal attack revolving around your own belief.
  • The judgements of others do not matter
    ...and those who know what truly matters
    ......do not judge



    And if a person among us
    Has no sin upon their hands
    Let them cast their stones upon us
    And those they choose to judge are free to leave the stand...


    And if you do not like these words I've written
    No one has forced your eyes to see
    They're only words, I have not bitten
    Only shared what I have seen



    Considering that our "great" hobby consists of the collecting of coins...in a world where most can not even come up with two coins to rub together...let alone find a bite to eat... and some here among us feel that we are in a position to judge another... and dare to speak of how wrong it is for someone to not share with those who know or have less...

    And many here who pay homage to and seek the knowledge and council of one who has the ability to sell a nickel for $5 Million... and then speak of fairness in a world where there are children starving to death... then say that is not your concern but the actions of an employee in a coin shop are of your concern and that you have to speak up for THAT is an atrocity...

    Oh the humanity...or lack there of...

    Patooie...

    Ya can all go sit on a soggy cornflake...








    image
    Re: Slabbed coins - There are some coins that LIVE within clear plastic and wear their labels with pride... while there are others that HIDE behind scratched plastic and are simply dragged along by a label. Then there are those coins that simply hang out, naked and free image
  • MarkMark Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ksteelheader:

    Clearly your definition of "personal attack" and mine differ. Apparently in your view stating that someone's views are "bs" is a fair, non-personal comment. I envy the world in which you live, a world in which the phrase "bs" is a compelling intellectual statement. Frankly I believe use of the phrase "bs" in regard to someone's post qualifies as a personal attack. But as I said in my first post (which was a non-personal attack in my vew and a personal attack in your view) others apparently disagree. So I thank you again for your logical argument with my post.

    I also thank you in advance for correcting any of my spelling in this post.
    Mark




  • << <i>ksteelheader:

    Clearly your definition of "personal attack" and mine differ. Apparently in your view stating that someone's views are "bs" is a fair, non-personal comment. I envy the world in which you live, a world in which the phrase "bs" is a compelling intellectual statement. Frankly I believe use of the phrase "bs" in regard to someone's post qualifies as a personal attack. But as I said in my first post (which was a non-personal attack in my vew and a personal attack in your view) others apparently disagree. So I thank you again for your logical argument with my post.

    I also thank you in advance for correcting any of my spelling in this post. >>



    Speaking the truth is not a personal attack.
  • MarkMark Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ksteelheader:

    So, let me understand your latest statement: If I say your post is full of bs and I think that's the truth, then my assertion is not a personal attack because I believe I am speaking the truth? Frankly, I think that's a ridiculous statement. To respond to someone's post by calling it bs seems to me to come very close to a personal attack. (Indeed, I think it crosses the line...but, again, others may disagee.) And, though I think your last post is inane, I surely will not call it bs because that is not my mode of discussion. I prefer to reply with a post that explains my disagreement and actually attempts to advance the discussion. And hence here is my post.

    Please feel free to respond with your usual insightful one sentence comment (whether or not it uses your favorite 2 letter abbreviation). Alternatively, I am headed off to bed, so if you want to take a bit more time to perhaps post more than one pithy sentence, go ahead. Also, please correct any spelling errors I have made.
    Mark


  • pennyanniepennyannie Posts: 3,929 ✭✭✭
    Ksteel- You admit to reporting ebay sellers that do not follow the rules to the T and then think your buddy Keets is a saint in this 1901 s rip. LOL

    Where is the BS flag when you need it.

    Mark
    NGC registry V-Nickel proof #6!!!!
    working on proof shield nickels # 8 with a bullet!!!!

    RIP "BEAR"
  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,491 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>ksteelheader:

    Thanks so much for the insightful comment. I always enjoy a good intellectural discussion. >>



    Could you shay that jush onze more times? (hic)
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's the fact that the lucky dealer (not keets, as he has seen fit to remind us) seems to show no interest in tracking down the clueless seller to, at the very least, throw them a bone. It puts all coin dealers in a bad light, and is regrettable.

    this is an inference that isn't based on anything factual.
  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,491 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>It's the fact that the lucky dealer (not keets, as he has seen fit to remind us) seems to show no interest in tracking down the clueless seller to, at the very least, throw them a bone. It puts all coin dealers in a bad light, and is regrettable.

    this is an inference that isn't based on anything factual. >>



    Agreed! (hic!)
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!


  • << <i>The judgements of others do not matter
    ...and those who know what truly matters
    ......do not judge



    And if a person among us
    Has no sin upon their hands
    Let them cast their stones upon us
    And those they choose to judge are free to leave the stand...


    And if you do not like these words I've written
    No one has forced your eyes to see
    They're only words, I have not bitten
    Only shared what I have seen



    Considering that our "great" hobby consists of the collecting of coins...in a world where most can not even come up with two coins to rub together...let alone find a bite to eat... and some here among us feel that we are in a position to judge another... and dare to speak of how wrong it is for someone to not share with those who know or have less...

    And many here who pay homage to and seek the knowledge and council of one who has the ability to sell a nickel for $5 Million... and then speak of fairness in a world where there are children starving to death... then say that is not your concern but the actions of an employee in a coin shop are of your concern and that you have to speak up because that IS an atrocity...

    Oh the humanity...or lack there of...

    Patooie...

    Ya can all go sit on a soggy cornflake...








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    imageimageimage
    Re: Slabbed coins - There are some coins that LIVE within clear plastic and wear their labels with pride... while there are others that HIDE behind scratched plastic and are simply dragged along by a label. Then there are those coins that simply hang out, naked and free image
  • WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭
    It's not technically a "rip" if you don't know your ripping someone at the time, but do discover later on after they had already left, that they were indeed the victum of a rip.
    Chat Board Lingo

    "Keep your malarkey filter in good operating order" -Walter Breen
  • FullStepJeffsFullStepJeffs Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭


    << <i>It's not technically a "rip" if you don't know your ripping someone at the time, but do discover later on after they had already left, that they were indeed the victum of a rip. >>



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    Steve
    U.S. Air Force Security Forces Retired

    In memory of the USAF Security Forces lost: A1C Elizabeth N. Jacobson, 9/28/05; SSgt Brian McElroy, 1/22/06; TSgt Jason Norton, 1/22/06; A1C Lee Chavis, 10/14/06; SSgt John Self, 5/14/07; A1C Jason Nathan, 6/23/07; SSgt Travis Griffin, 4/3/08; 1Lt Joseph Helton, 9/8/09; SrA Nicholas J. Alden, 3/3/2011. God Bless them and all those who have lost loved ones in this war. I will never forget their loss.
  • mozeppamozeppa Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭
    the GREY sheets are suposed to be hid from the gray haired oldies....why'd ya think ther're called the GREY SHEETS?image


    thats some funny chit keets image
  • mozeppamozeppa Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭
    100!


  • << <i>Ksteel- You admit to reporting ebay sellers that do not follow the rules to the T and then think your buddy Keets is a saint in this 1901 s rip. LOL

    Where is the BS flag when you need it. >>



    Well, well, if it isn't Sue/Mark. Which is it anyway, Sue or Mark? BS'ers of a feather, stick together.

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