I would just give them their money back, block them as a bidder and move along. If they cant read the auction well enough to know what they were buying then they will probably need the money as I doubt they will make it as a lawyer.
<< <i>If we did… We would probably have every Tom, Dick, and Harry attempting to do this to us. We adopted this policy on eBay back in 2005 when people were attempting to do returns on PCGS gold one ounce bullion eagles when the market turned against the buyer(s). >>
This is not a coin whose price is driven by bullion. Let's be honest here. It's a $1000 coin with $4000 worth of plastic wrapped around it.
<< <i>we’re simply not going to refund money due to buyers remorse that IS NOT part of the 100% satisfaction guarantee.
Then perhaps you should consider saying that, and stop misleading potential bidders with what is essentially a "less than 100% satisfaction guarantee".
Collector of Large Cents, US Type, and modern pocket change.
may i make another suggestion for future auctions? try to simplify your auction text.... it has too much text in it... yet the title fails to put in the W? very odd that.
but then i am done in this thread. i just found the auction to be funny that there is ~5000 words of conditions and a missing W in the title...
He has no legs to stand on.....tell him, politely, to take a flying leap (hard to do without legs?).
Might also tell him that the contract is binding and it's very clear, if he read the verbage and looked at the picture, that he paid for what was offered and what he received. Not a lowyer here (ooops) but you are just fine standing up to him. He's throwing darts and not hitting a target. Trying to push you around. Don't worry about your feedback, it will go back to 100% in a year. You are doing great business and I'd buy from you in a heartbeat.
bob
Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), bobinvegas1989@yahoo.com
Flippin attorneys, tell him to pound sand. Nothing I dislike more than an attorney threatening to sue, one thing I learned in the banking business quickly was to tell them to go ahead and sue to their heart's delight. Our Chairman was an attorney and former Secretary of State in Indiana. He loved gobbling up those types. As long as what you did was right and not misleading I'd stick to my guns.
He's a lawyer and he only read the title? He's going to use the argument that everything about the coin should be included in the auction title? Then, he leaves a trail of vulgar insults and threatens malicious prosecution. I don't think he's helping his case.
I'm sorry that you have taken my disagreement as argument.
You did ask for opinoins, and I provided mine. When you (and others) disagreed, I provided logic behind my answers, and asked you a few questions to get to the heart of the issue.
You chose not to answer, and we both know why -- because I used your own contradictory claims to show that you had no leg to stand on, and I didn't need to call you an idiot or scumbag to make my point.
Good luck with your auctions, and please consider changing your terms to be more clear....Mike
Collector of Large Cents, US Type, and modern pocket change.
Effective 12/1/08 or my next listing whichever happens first.
That's simple enough.
Thanks for the idea. >>
While I think all seller's should stride for a satisfied customer (even if that means a few returns), I also recognize your right to define return terms as you see fit...
The revised wording does sound much better to me (although it may be against ANA rules?), and you are welcome.
Take care...Mike
Collector of Large Cents, US Type, and modern pocket change.
Isn't it ironic that thanks to lawyers we have little disclaimers on everything, yet he claims he is going to sue because he did not read the entire listing.
As for no returns period, I guess that is fine as long as you are not an ANA member.
Collector and Researcher of Liberty Head Nickels. ANA LM-6053
Umm, ya, you have to be careful, because he bought a huge condom on fraudbay, which could suggest he's a huge ???
He also bought improperly advertised proof silver eagles (e.g., 1989 S in title but CLEARLY says 1989-S on the holder!)
He's not a newcomer (>400 feedback).
He's a lawyer, and as such, one would hope, he would be able to read more than the title of a legally binding contract. But hey, they give those degrees out these days to just about everyone, no? Esp. people who buy huge novelty condoms. Hilarious stuff!!! Makes ya wonder how many people got good legal advice from him. Q: 'Should I read the document?' A: 'Nah, I looked at the title and it seemed juuuuust fine'.
Then again, you got to be careful and tone down the uhh.. you know.
Where's me fraudbay jingle when I need it?
Coinborg: Your distinctive coins will be added to my collection. BS&T : kryptonitecomics, PCcoins (2x), Spoon (7x), Coppercolor, Preussen (2x), Filamcoins, agentjim007, CB2597, DCW, 1960NYGiants Ebay: + <waitin'> NEG: Chameleoncoins NonBST/Ebay: Rick's Coins WTB: Toners, BU Darkside, Sovs & 20 Mark, LMU/SMU Gold.
I know this is unrelated to your predicament, but...
As I was going through the info in your listing, I came to the part about why you quit accepting PayPal, and right-clicked the link to open a new window to read your reasons. To my surprise, instead of a new browser window, I got a pop-up box chiding me for trying to steal your images. Like any other seller, I'm sure you're protective of your work and don't like the idea of others appropriating it for their own uses, but I've got to say that being accused of intending to steal your work when I had no such thoughts really rubbed me the wrong way.
You're of course free to run your auctions as you wish- I just thought I'd post my thoughts anyway, in the event you might consider the input from a reader of one of your listings useful.
<< <i>Please remember that we have only heard one side of this story. Respectfully...Mike >>
Not quite Mike, I read his negative feedback. Please understand, I feel strongly both ways. Mike >>
As did I, and frankly, I saw no problem with it, but also respect your opinion to the contrary. However, neither one of us (presumably) read the correspondence which preceeded the feedback. As we have learned from prior examples of similar situations, there's often another side to the story. Respectfully...Mike
Collector of Large Cents, US Type, and modern pocket change.
dbldie55 ---- This is why my auctions are typed as such.
Thanks to guys like him I had to mico-dissect every last little thing on my listing.
Do you honestly think I wanted to put all that information on my listings?
I had to do that over the last 5 years and adjust to my buyers.
You'll be surprised how many people these days try to get away with something like this on eBay.
If this was your coin and your feedback how would you feel?
Believe it or not 1 bad feedback + 1 person giving you bad DSR’s can destroy your eBay business just in case you didn’t notice.
I went from having elevated listings to now having lowed listing due to this one guy.
I represented the coin correctly as I have with every last certified coin I've ever sold in fact I have the $10 01' Plat PR-70 and a 98 $50 PR-70 listed the same way.
In fact this year alone I've sold 32 Platinum proof 70's ALL were listed the same exact way and NONE were ever returned nor did anyone ever give me grief about my listings.
If he didn’t bother to look at the pictures or properly read the listing that is not my fault.
We’re talking about a $5000 dollar coin not something that’s $15 or $20 bucks now.
If it was a 20 dollar coin I would have cheerfully given the coin away, blocked the guy and forgotten about it by now.
<< <i>Please remember that we have only heard one side of this story. Respectfully...Mike >>
Not quite Mike, I read his negative feedback. Please understand, I feel strongly both ways. Mike >>
Mike is right. He and I, both, have listened to other stories like this (ATS) only to find out later that the "other side" had a completely different story. I'd like to have all of the facts before I stick my foot in my mouth again.
The negative is a shame, but you have a fine reputation otherwise. I wouldn't let one person who doesn't look at pictures closely enough ruin it for you. That being said, I'd put a W in the item title next time....
In fact this year alone I've sold 32 Platinum proof 70's ALL were listed the same exact way and NONE were ever returned nor did anyone ever give me grief about my listings.
If he didn’t bother to look at the pictures or properly read the listing that is not my fault.
>>
Did you use pictures of each actual coin you sold?
In addition to placing the Mint Mark in your title ... let me suggest that in your description you also indicate either Proof or Unc. for the uneducated bidders on eBay. I do with all my certified coin sales & it has never created a problem... es. You are bidding on a: 2002 W Proof $100 Platinum 1 oz Eagle .... graded by PCGS PR70DCAM .. or words to that affect.
Even if you win the law suite (which is questionable)... you still loose...suggest you consider refunding his $$$.
"Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
<< <i>Next time I list a coin I’m going to list it as SEX(y) PCGS PROOF DEEEEEP CAMEO 2002 Platinum $100 “W” like George “W” Bush & see what happens. lol >>
Well, at least you're regaining your sense of humor. You know, 10 years from now you're going to laugh about how terrible he was and pray that your kids don't grow up to be like him.
Chris
PS. If you did put "SEX" in your title, I would never ask for my money back.
He buys a coin for 5K , pays with company funds , wants a refund for misrepresentation . Does he want that refunded to him or his company ??
Why does a law firm buy coins ? I can see an investment firm buying coins . Maybe he wants to have it hanging on the wall in his office ( listed as a company asset ) .
I'm just curious as to how many coins this law firm has bought ??...............
Dan
Fishing is not a matter of life and death.......It's much more important than that........
If I put SEX on the title would someone assume I was selling SEX? Or would someone read the description to see what in fact is being sold.
<<<Next time I list a coin I’m going to list it as SEX(y) PCGS PROOF DEEEEEP CAMEO 2002 Platinum $100 “W” like George “W” Bush & see what happens. lol>>>
at least you kept your humor through all this
your auction shows what coin is for sale but you really should write your title to say what the slab label says. "2002-W"
because you offer a return policy you should have just told the guy to ship it back and then give him a refund.
i offer a 7 day refund and rarely have to give one. its not worth the hassles dealing with those types.
by the way i looked at his feedbacks and saw he got nasty with others and also saw the gigantic condom he bought. blocked.
hope things work out ok for you...welcome to the boards
coinman420 ---- I never put "W" on anything proof plat hardly anyone ever does I've bought a few coins with the title lacking any mint mark, after all I do know what I'm buying and if I have a question I look at the images and ask my question before I buy not after I have the coin in hand.
Some of you guys may hate to hear this but I'm sticking to my guns on this one.
He can pound sand!
Yeah it's my first real negative feedback so what I'm sure any of my clients looking at that comment will simply shrug it off as a non issue.
What really pisses me off is the guy's attitude and the way he typed to me knowing I'm a lady.
As soon as I get time I'll try to list more items right now we're still rebuilding after Hurricane Ike that to us is priority #1.
coindiva, your PM is not on. In the upper right corner of the posts you make, the little orange lock should be present. Clicking it allows someone to PM you. I have something to tell you in private.
I applaud those of you who use eBay to your benefit. I know several dealers who supplement their income to a large extent, and many others who derive a great amount of fun and entertainment from the site. I feel for 'coindiva', realize the predicament, but don't really understand the eBay rules, so I have no relevant comment, but . . .
This is exactly why I choose to avoid this venue (perhaps to my detriment). I'll buy my coins sight-seen, add choice pieces to my collection, cruise the bourse floor to examine coins that I believe can make me money, and consummate deals face to face. The continuing problems of eBay and the apparent PayPal/scam/seller liability/feedback/blocking/legal wranglings that I read about here have discouraged me from ever attempting to sell on eBay, and heaven forbid, I'll never buy there (again, perhaps to my detriment), as I can't examine the coin to my satisfaction. My life is too busy to spend it returning substandard coins through the mail.
I have respect for those of you who can deal with eBay and the current (and future) rules. I am happy for you, and hope it continues to be a source of income. I choose to ignore it . . . for the reasons posed in this thread (and I read it ALL). My collecting (and buying/selling) life won't ever go in this direction, although I know many of you have quite a bit of success with eBay. Good luck . . and I hope this works out in the 'coindiva' situation.
My only concern would be what if the buyer cancels the check? I think I read on the board that IF their bank goes along with it they can still cancel it even months later. (not sure it can be done)
I know this has already been stated, but what lawyer would commit to spend $5,000 and not read the auction that took me a whole 1 minute to read???? It doesn't make any sense as all the lawyers that I have known and dealt with read and write letters out the ying-yang! They know to read something 1000% before signing or agreeing to. So I don't get it, unless he doesn't know anything about coins.
And if he's a lawyer $5,000 isn't squat to him. So I think he's just causing havoc on you. Just my 2c
However, I will not offer a refund due to someone's bonehead and especially someone that does not bother to read the description or even look at the pictures of the actual coin bought.
100% guarantee is offered if we make a mistake and do not represent the coin correctly which is not the case here.
Also, we’re not responsible for TPG disagreements that’s between the buyer and the grading service.
I’ll be revamping ALL my auctions hopefully after thanksgiving.
It’s been hell trying to rebuild our coin store here in TX after Ike.
<< <i>I know this has already been stated, but what lawyer would commit to spend $5,000 and not read the auction that took me a whole 1 minute to read???? It doesn't make any sense as all the lawyers that I have known and dealt with read and write letters out the ying-yang! They know to read something 1000% before signing or agreeing to. So I don't get it, unless he doesn't know anything about coins.
And if he's a lawyer $5,000 isn't squat to him. So I think he's just causing havoc on you. Just my 2c
Good Luck >>
You're right! $5000 isn't squat to a reputable lawyer with an established clientele.
When I first read this thread, listing, feedback, etc., my gut reaction was that he knew exactly what he was doing. Of course, he read everything! He came across like an "ambulance chaser" who spotted a very minor flaw in diva's listing, and set out to take advantage of her. Regardless, I would still like to see all of his responses, verbatim.
Coindiva, I think you would be making a mistake by not accepting returns. It will hurt your image, and give readers of your listings the impression that you are less than honest. You would be better served to accept returns for full refund, no questions asked, but be sure to specify that full returns DO NOT include the cost of shipping and insurance. Yes, do eliminate the "100% Satisfaction" clause. Anyone who wants their money refunded is obviously not satisfied, so the phrase serves no useful purpose. On the rare occasion that you do get some crackpot demanding a refund for no good reason, give it to them and just block the SOB. Then, move on!
the buyer needs to shop elsewhere.....many of us have quickly read a title and only glanced at the description and then didn't get what we thought we were going to get. It made us more carful in the future....I didn't back out on the deal or ask for a refund becuase I didn't take the time to review the auction description.....bidder is at fault here not the seller....but you already knew that
Coincidently, I'll be listing the same "rare" coin in the next few days. However, I have a real satisfaction guarantee and would have gladly accepted the return if he didn't get the coin he was expecting. The coin sold for strong money. Don't you have an underbidder to offer it to?
I have occasionally left the W off my proof buffalo auctions. All proofs are W. I've gotten an occasionaly question about it but but never had a return or even a mild complaint.
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If they cant read the auction well enough to know what they were buying then they will probably need the money as I doubt they will make it as a lawyer.
<< <i>If we did… We would probably have every Tom, Dick, and Harry attempting to do this to us. We adopted this policy on eBay back in 2005 when people were attempting to do returns on PCGS gold one ounce bullion eagles when the market turned against the buyer(s). >>
This is not a coin whose price is driven by bullion. Let's be honest here. It's a $1000 coin with $4000 worth of plastic wrapped around it.
<< <i>we’re simply not going to refund money due to buyers remorse that IS NOT part of the 100% satisfaction guarantee.
Then perhaps you should consider saying that, and stop misleading potential bidders with what is essentially a "less than 100% satisfaction guarantee".
It’s pointless to continue arguing with you.
You made your point and your opinion.
I’m not going to be argumentative here with you or anyone this is why I’ve been a Lurker instead a poster.
NO REFUNDS TO anyone PERIOD.
Effective 12/1/08 or my next listing whichever happens first.
That's simple enough.
Thanks for the idea.
your auction text.... it has too much text in it... yet the title fails
to put in the W? very odd that.
but then i am done in this thread. i just found the auction to be funny
that there is ~5000 words of conditions and a missing W in the title...
please continue. 100!
Might also tell him that the contract is binding and it's very clear, if he read the verbage and looked
at the picture, that he paid for what was offered and what he received. Not a lowyer here (ooops) but
you are just fine standing up to him. He's throwing darts and not hitting a target. Trying to push you
around.
Don't worry about your feedback, it will go back to 100% in a year. You are doing great business and
I'd buy from you in a heartbeat.
bob
I'm sorry that you have taken my disagreement as argument.
You did ask for opinoins, and I provided mine. When you (and others) disagreed, I provided logic behind my answers, and asked you a few questions to get to the heart of the issue.
You chose not to answer, and we both know why -- because I used your own contradictory claims to show that you had no leg to stand on, and I didn't need to call you an idiot or scumbag to make my point.
Good luck with your auctions, and please consider changing your terms to be more clear....Mike
<< <i>Mike how's this?
NO REFUNDS TO anyone PERIOD.
Effective 12/1/08 or my next listing whichever happens first.
That's simple enough.
Thanks for the idea. >>
While I think all seller's should stride for a satisfied customer (even if that means a few returns), I also recognize your right to define return terms as you see fit...
The revised wording does sound much better to me (although it may be against ANA rules?), and you are welcome.
Take care...Mike
As for no returns period, I guess that is fine as long as you are not an ANA member.
He also bought improperly advertised proof silver eagles (e.g., 1989 S in title but CLEARLY says 1989-S on the holder!)
He's not a newcomer (>400 feedback).
He's a lawyer, and as such, one would hope, he would be able to read more than the title of a legally binding contract. But hey, they give those degrees out these days to just about everyone, no? Esp. people who buy huge novelty condoms. Hilarious stuff!!! Makes ya wonder how many people got good legal advice from him. Q: 'Should I read the document?' A: 'Nah, I looked at the title and it seemed juuuuust fine'.
Then again, you got to be careful and tone down the uhh.. you know.
Where's me fraudbay jingle when I need it?
BS&T
Ebay: + <waitin'> NEG: Chameleoncoins
NonBST/Ebay:
WTB: Toners, BU Darkside, Sovs & 20 Mark, LMU/SMU Gold.
<< <i>Please remember that we have only heard one side of this story. Respectfully...Mike >>
Not quite Mike, I read his negative feedback. Please understand, I feel strongly both ways. Mike
I know this is unrelated to your predicament, but...
As I was going through the info in your listing, I came to the part about why you quit accepting PayPal, and right-clicked the link to open a new window to read your reasons. To my surprise, instead of a new browser window, I got a pop-up box chiding me for trying to steal your images. Like any other seller, I'm sure you're protective of your work and don't like the idea of others appropriating it for their own uses, but I've got to say that being accused of intending to steal your work when I had no such thoughts really rubbed me the wrong way.
You're of course free to run your auctions as you wish- I just thought I'd post my thoughts anyway, in the event you might consider the input from a reader of one of your listings useful.
<< <i>
<< <i>Please remember that we have only heard one side of this story. Respectfully...Mike >>
Not quite Mike, I read his negative feedback. Please understand, I feel strongly both ways. Mike >>
As did I, and frankly, I saw no problem with it, but also respect your opinion to the contrary. However, neither one of us (presumably) read the correspondence which preceeded the feedback. As we have learned from prior examples of similar situations, there's often another side to the story. Respectfully...Mike
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This is why my auctions are typed as such.
Thanks to guys like him I had to mico-dissect every last little thing on my listing.
Do you honestly think I wanted to put all that information on my listings?
I had to do that over the last 5 years and adjust to my buyers.
You'll be surprised how many people these days try to get away with something like this on eBay.
If this was your coin and your feedback how would you feel?
Believe it or not 1 bad feedback + 1 person giving you bad DSR’s can destroy your eBay business just in case you didn’t notice.
I went from having elevated listings to now having lowed listing due to this one guy.
I represented the coin correctly as I have with every last certified coin I've ever sold in fact I have the $10 01' Plat PR-70 and a 98 $50 PR-70 listed the same way.
In fact this year alone I've sold 32 Platinum proof 70's ALL were listed the same exact way and NONE were ever returned nor did anyone ever give me grief about my listings.
If he didn’t bother to look at the pictures or properly read the listing that is not my fault.
We’re talking about a $5000 dollar coin not something that’s $15 or $20 bucks now.
If it was a 20 dollar coin I would have cheerfully given the coin away, blocked the guy and forgotten about it by now.
<< <i>
<< <i>Please remember that we have only heard one side of this story. Respectfully...Mike >>
Not quite Mike, I read his negative feedback. Please understand, I feel strongly both ways. Mike >>
Mike is right. He and I, both, have listened to other stories like this (ATS) only to find out later that the "other side" had a completely different story. I'd like to have all of the facts before I stick my foot in my mouth again.
Chris
The negative is a shame, but you have a fine reputation otherwise. I wouldn't let one person who doesn't look at pictures closely enough ruin it for you. That being said, I'd put a W in the item title next time....
<< <i>dbldie55
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In fact this year alone I've sold 32 Platinum proof 70's ALL were listed the same exact way and NONE were ever returned nor did anyone ever give me grief about my listings.
If he didn’t bother to look at the pictures or properly read the listing that is not my fault.
>>
Did you use pictures of each actual coin you sold?
At least in my listing it's clearly stated as a W which should be a non issue especially for a 2002.
I can see on 2006-06 MS where there's a W and non W even then ALL proofs plats are W's as NONE were made at other mints.
We've asked this guy 10 different times what does the title say what does the description say and finally what is the coin pictured?
He refuses to acknowledge that what he bought was a PR-70DCAM!
His only argument is that there’s not a W on the title.
I’ve sold quite a few coins the same way never have I had this type of issue.
If I put SEX on the title would someone assume I was selling SEX? Or would someone read the description to see what in fact is being sold.
Next time I list a coin I’m going to list it as SEX(y) PCGS PROOF DEEEEEP CAMEO 2002 Platinum $100 “W” like George “W” Bush & see what happens. lol
Even if you win the law suite (which is questionable)... you still loose...suggest you consider refunding his $$$.
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Yes I do ALL my slabbed coins are the actual coin sold and shipped.
In the case of all our 70's we block the cert number in order to prevent someone stealing it and putting it in their registry set.
The only time I would use a stock image is for bullion raw silver eagles which are the same $15 dollar coin that's being sold as " raw bullion silver"
<< <i>Next time I list a coin I’m going to list it as SEX(y) PCGS PROOF DEEEEEP CAMEO 2002 Platinum $100 “W” like George “W” Bush & see what happens. lol >>
Well, at least you're regaining your sense of humor. You know, 10 years from now you're going to laugh about how terrible he was and pray that your kids don't grow up to be like him.
Chris
PS. If you did put "SEX" in your title, I would never ask for my money back.
So I am not going to waste my time injecting my opinion on the original OP.
But I am going to ask you to stop double spacing EVERY sentence....
He buys a coin for 5K , pays with company funds , wants a refund for
misrepresentation . Does he want that refunded to him or his company ??
Why does a law firm buy coins ? I can see an investment firm buying coins .
Maybe he wants to have it hanging on the wall in his office ( listed as a company asset ) .
I'm just curious as to how many coins this law firm has bought ??...............
Dan
What's the point in having a refund policy.
The coin is/was properly represented just look at the actual listing + photos that's all anyone should need to read or look at for that matter.
<<<Next time I list a coin I’m going to list it as SEX(y) PCGS PROOF DEEEEEP CAMEO 2002 Platinum $100 “W” like George “W” Bush & see what happens. lol>>>
at least you kept your humor through all this
your auction shows what coin is for sale but you really should write your title to say what the slab label says. "2002-W"
because you offer a return policy you should have just told the guy to ship it back and then give him a refund.
i offer a 7 day refund and rarely have to give one. its not worth the hassles dealing with those types.
by the way i looked at his feedbacks and saw he got nasty with others and also saw the gigantic condom he bought. blocked.
hope things work out ok for you...welcome to the boards
You owe him nothing.
Ray
Wow this thread is almost at 100 and it's only been up for a few hours!
Thanks for everyone's support.
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I never put "W" on anything proof plat hardly anyone ever does I've bought a few coins with the title lacking any mint mark, after all I do know what I'm buying and if I have a question I look at the images and ask my question before I buy not after I have the coin in hand.
Some of you guys may hate to hear this but I'm sticking to my guns on this one.
He can pound sand!
Yeah it's my first real negative feedback so what I'm sure any of my clients looking at that comment will simply shrug it off as a non issue.
What really pisses me off is the guy's attitude and the way he typed to me knowing I'm a lady.
As soon as I get time I'll try to list more items right now we're still rebuilding after Hurricane Ike that to us is priority #1.
In the upper right corner of the posts you make, the little orange lock should be present.
Clicking it allows someone to PM you.
I have something to tell you in private.
Ray
Anyone know what happened to that AHookah guy?
He was sumthin else!
I applaud those of you who use eBay to your benefit. I know several dealers who supplement their income to a large extent, and many others who derive a great amount of fun and entertainment from the site. I feel for 'coindiva', realize the predicament, but don't really understand the eBay rules, so I have no relevant comment, but . . .
This is exactly why I choose to avoid this venue (perhaps to my detriment). I'll buy my coins sight-seen, add choice pieces to my collection, cruise the bourse floor to examine coins that I believe can make me money, and consummate deals face to face. The continuing problems of eBay and the apparent PayPal/scam/seller liability/feedback/blocking/legal wranglings that I read about here have discouraged me from ever attempting to sell on eBay, and heaven forbid, I'll never buy there (again, perhaps to my detriment), as I can't examine the coin to my satisfaction. My life is too busy to spend it returning substandard coins through the mail.
I have respect for those of you who can deal with eBay and the current (and future) rules. I am happy for you, and hope it continues to be a source of income. I choose to ignore it . . . for the reasons posed in this thread (and I read it ALL). My collecting (and buying/selling) life won't ever go in this direction, although I know many of you have quite a bit of success with eBay. Good luck . . and I hope this works out in the 'coindiva' situation.
Drunner
I asked my dorky best friend about this issue....
This is what she had to say.....
Your response to his neg speaks volumes for it's brevity.
That neg won't affect your sales one bit is my WAG.
"Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working" Pablo Picasso
My only concern would be what if the buyer cancels the check?
I think I read on the board that IF their bank goes along with it they can still cancel it even months later. (not sure it can be done)
Hope it works out
So I don't get it, unless he doesn't know anything about coins.
And if he's a lawyer $5,000 isn't squat to him. So I think he's just causing havoc on you. Just my 2c
Good Luck
seneca21 - blocked
In my view, 100% satisfaction guarantee is unequivocal. Calling something 100% and offering less in the fine print isn't 100%.
As well (and sadly), what represents "gross misrepresentation" sometimes requires the involvement of the legal system.
That being said, his justification (which shouldn't be germane in the 100% satisfaction guarantee) is really weak.
Stick to your guns, but please, for the sake of clarity, dispose of the 100% satisfaction guarantee unless you intend to truly offer one.
Respectfully and without malice, BBE.
Check out my current listings: https://ebay.com/sch/khunt/m.html?_ipg=200&_sop=12&_rdc=1
However, I will not offer a refund due to someone's bonehead and especially someone that does not bother to read the description or even look at the pictures of the actual coin bought.
100% guarantee is offered if we make a mistake and do not represent the coin correctly which is not the case here.
Also, we’re not responsible for TPG disagreements that’s between the buyer and the grading service.
I’ll be revamping ALL my auctions hopefully after thanksgiving.
It’s been hell trying to rebuild our coin store here in TX after Ike.
<< <i>I know this has already been stated, but what lawyer would commit to spend $5,000 and not read the auction that took me a whole 1 minute to read???? It doesn't make any sense as all the lawyers that I have known and dealt with read and write letters out the ying-yang!
So I don't get it, unless he doesn't know anything about coins.
And if he's a lawyer $5,000 isn't squat to him. So I think he's just causing havoc on you. Just my 2c
Good Luck
You're right! $5000 isn't squat to a reputable lawyer with an established clientele.
When I first read this thread, listing, feedback, etc., my gut reaction was that he knew exactly what he was doing. Of course, he read everything! He came across like an "ambulance chaser" who spotted a very minor flaw in diva's listing, and set out to take advantage of her. Regardless, I would still like to see all of his responses, verbatim.
Coindiva, I think you would be making a mistake by not accepting returns. It will hurt your image, and give readers of your listings the impression that you are less than honest. You would be better served to accept returns for full refund, no questions asked, but be sure to specify that full returns DO NOT include the cost of shipping and insurance. Yes, do eliminate the "100% Satisfaction" clause. Anyone who wants their money refunded is obviously not satisfied, so the phrase serves no useful purpose. On the rare occasion that you do get some crackpot demanding a refund for no good reason, give it to them and just block the SOB. Then, move on!
Chris
link to ebay auction
The seller put PF in the description.
So…. If this lawyer guy bought that coin what would be his excuse to return it?
It says PF in the description, but it also says PR-70DCAM
If you look at the guy that bought our coin you can see his feedback etiquette he either doesn’t praise the seller or leaves negative feedback.
Out of 46 feedbacks left in 10+ years about a 1/3 are negative and very argumentative.
It seems like this guy sits on eBay looking to pick a fight with whomever he can, sadly to say he picked a fight with the wrong person in my case.
I offer three types of mediation in my add he refused to look at anything when buying much less anything after the fact.
I have occasionally left the W off my proof buffalo auctions. All proofs are W. I've gotten an occasionaly question about it but but never had a return or even a mild complaint.
--Jerry