@Abuelo you would have to ask them. But I think the area at 3:00 to the right of the castle.
The thing at 12:00 over the pillar is a planchet defect.
I assume it was details graded. Given what it is, I assume it is actually market acceptable by those who buy it, such as yourself. If so, I find details grading in these circumstances unwarranted.
Costa Rica type I (Carillo) C/M on FVII Nueva Guatemala 4 Reales. Rare. Murillo knew of only 6 examples for all under types.
Stack's sold one, new to Murillo, on a Potosi 1820 2015.
NGC Census lists two " Bolivia", one each F and VF.
I suspect at least one and maybe both are duplicated within their own census and/or Murillo.
This brings the total number for the type of which I am aware to eight, possibly nine, at most an unlikely ten.
Among the many Latin American crowns, those from Argentina’s formative years are always popular with collectors. They have simple design types, elegantly displayed, and show the evolution of the first independent nation of Latin America, gaining independence from Spain in 1813. That same year, the first mintage of the national coinage was struck, showing the “Sol de Mayo” the bold, radiant sun face that graces much of their coinage, and adorns the national bandera. Coinage continued to depict this national symbol until 1836, when it was replaced with Mount Fatima above crossed flags and cannons. The obverse legend “Provincias Del Rio De La Plata” was replaced with “Repub. Argentina Confederada,” and the reverse legend was changed from “En Union Y Libertad” with “Eterno Loor Al Restorador Rosas.”
General Juan Miguel Rosas was just one of the many ruthless military dictators that would rule Argentina over the years, but is considered to also be one of the most successful. A native of Buenos Aires, Rosas was opposed to a centralized republic, and preferred a loose confederation of the provinces. His main opposition, the Unitaros, sought a tightly centralized republic. His brutality is expressed in the slogan “Mueran los Sauvages Unitarios,” which appeared on state documents.
During these struggles for control of Argentina, the Unitarios were led by General Brizuela. The Unitarios struck a coinage out of necessity, an 8 reales which combined the design types of the Rosas coinage, but incorporated new legends: “Republica Argentina” on the obverse and the national motto “En Union Y Libertad” on the reverse. A rare, one year type coin, with a low survival rate, the “Tipo Unitaro” infrequently appears at auction; our research indicates only a handful offered at public auction since 2000. One auction description estimates “approximately 20 specimens known,” although neither Jorge Ferrari nor Hector Carlos Jansen lists an approximate number known, or comment on rarity. It is indeed an important rarity with an interesting history.
Cool selection MrE. Is the last one a flipped double strike?
Looks like it. Honduran 2R 1850-something? I think. Image is a little murky around the date; not sure if I just can't make it out in the image, or it was obliterated by the second strike. Also very cool.
Cool selection MrE. Is the last one a flipped double strike?
Looks like it. Honduran 2R 1850-something? I think. Image is a little murky around the date; not sure if I just can't make it out in the image, or it was obliterated by the second strike. Also very cool.
I can’t make out the last digit of the date. One day, I’ll figure it out by comparing to other coins. Haven’t tried yet.
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Very cool piece... I feel like I need to post its older cousin. Not as outrageous as that flipover, but doubled pretty dramatically (first one I've seen to this extent):
Those are very cool! I’m curious what steps you need to take to discount the possibility of restrikes or overstrikes given that the original dies still exist in some cases?
I have been spending some time putting together a Dos Peso set which ranges from 1919-1948. The years contained are 1919, 1920, 1944, 1945, 1946, 1947 and an elusive 1948 (with like 8 known)
For realistic purposes I decided to do 1919-1947. I have acquired these so far and have been patiently waiting for the 1944 to complete it.
@scubafuel said:
Those are very cool! I’m curious what steps you need to take to discount the possibility of restrikes or overstrikes given that the original dies still exist in some cases?
Most if not all surviving CAR dies are rusted to a significant extent, so it would be obvious if they were used to create a “restrike”. Also, these double struck pieces are not worth spectacularly more than single struck pieces, so there’s little incentive to try to “improve” a typical coin.
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That's a beautiful example! I've been trying to find a 2e for type that has a nice original look. (obviously a lot less hard to find than the one you posted, but it's still been tough)
Here is a proof Mexico 1982-Mo Libertad Onza. Proof Libertads weren't made generally until 1983 (for the proof set) and 1986 (individually).
Mine is unique in the PCGS Census, but there is another proof 1982 in the NGC Pops (PF64UCAM). I've never seen it, but it could be the one that Don Bailey once told me he owned?
Here is a proof Mexico 1982-Mo Libertad Onza pattern missing the obverse dentil work. (Mexicans consider the eagle-side the obverse.) This one I’m fairly sure is unique.
Since North America doesn't get enough attention here. Edited to say that you will not find these in your KM and Charlton catalogs. All are previously unknown and unadopted uniface patterns.
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@MrEureka said:
Since North America doesn't get enough attention here. Edited to say that you will not find these in your KM and Charlton catalogs. All are previously unknown and unadopted uniface patterns.
Last time I checked, Mexico was part of North America!
Over the last month, I've had a few additions to my CAR type set. The 1/2 E images are from Heritage... normally I crossover first, then share the TrueView, but figured I would share now as I'm holding all crossover/grading submissions for a few months, just to be on the safe side.
LOL. Just realized it’s not Thursday. Working at home every day and they all just blend together. I see activity in this thread and just assume it’s Thursday.
Here is a uniface obverse of a Ferdinand VII Potosi 8R in silver. There are 3 known. Another was in the 2016 Stacks Bowers ANA sale here, but failed to meet reserve. Mine came out of Spain in the early 2000s.
Edited to add: Mine is ex-Rudman and weighs 39.62g vs. the Stacks coin which weighs 47g.
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@JohnnyCache - looks like some very nice color on that one.
8 Reales Madness Collection
Ex. Boosibri
Wonderful coin. Glad it went to a forum member.
Latin American Collection
I assume it was details graded. Given what it is, I assume it is actually market acceptable by those who buy it, such as yourself. If so, I find details grading in these circumstances unwarranted.
Latin American Collection
Latin American Collection
Costa Rica type I (Carillo) C/M on FVII Nueva Guatemala 4 Reales.
Rare. Murillo knew of only 6 examples for all under types.
Stack's sold one, new to Murillo, on a Potosi 1820 2015.
NGC Census lists two " Bolivia", one each F and VF.
I suspect at least one and maybe both are duplicated within their own census and/or Murillo.
This brings the total number for the type of which I am aware to eight, possibly nine, at most an unlikely ten.
Submitted ALREADY?! That was fast...
Latin American Collection
That is gemmy looking.
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You've got a helluva'n eye, @Boosibri !
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Not a great photo, but a pretty good coin.
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A true rarity!
New addition to your collection?
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@MrEureka 👏👏👏👏👏👏
No, I've had it a while.
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That is the coin discovered by a lady in Cambridge if I recall and taken the the BBC Antiques roadshow
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I didn't know that but it makes sense. It showed up at DNW, and I was told that it was a referral from another auction firm IIRC.
Edited to add the link I just found:
https://cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/ker-ching-rare-coin-rings-11979288?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar
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Now an interesting story to go with a great piece!
How many coins are TV famous??
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The following text borrowed from Stacks Bowers.
Among the many Latin American crowns, those from Argentina’s formative years are always popular with collectors. They have simple design types, elegantly displayed, and show the evolution of the first independent nation of Latin America, gaining independence from Spain in 1813. That same year, the first mintage of the national coinage was struck, showing the “Sol de Mayo” the bold, radiant sun face that graces much of their coinage, and adorns the national bandera. Coinage continued to depict this national symbol until 1836, when it was replaced with Mount Fatima above crossed flags and cannons. The obverse legend “Provincias Del Rio De La Plata” was replaced with “Repub. Argentina Confederada,” and the reverse legend was changed from “En Union Y Libertad” with “Eterno Loor Al Restorador Rosas.”
General Juan Miguel Rosas was just one of the many ruthless military dictators that would rule Argentina over the years, but is considered to also be one of the most successful. A native of Buenos Aires, Rosas was opposed to a centralized republic, and preferred a loose confederation of the provinces. His main opposition, the Unitaros, sought a tightly centralized republic. His brutality is expressed in the slogan “Mueran los Sauvages Unitarios,” which appeared on state documents.
During these struggles for control of Argentina, the Unitarios were led by General Brizuela. The Unitarios struck a coinage out of necessity, an 8 reales which combined the design types of the Rosas coinage, but incorporated new legends: “Republica Argentina” on the obverse and the national motto “En Union Y Libertad” on the reverse. A rare, one year type coin, with a low survival rate, the “Tipo Unitaro” infrequently appears at auction; our research indicates only a handful offered at public auction since 2000. One auction description estimates “approximately 20 specimens known,” although neither Jorge Ferrari nor Hector Carlos Jansen lists an approximate number known, or comment on rarity. It is indeed an important rarity with an interesting history.
Link to the original article here:
](http://stacksbowers.blogspot.com/2012/12/world-coin-of-week-1840-argentina-rebel.html)
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Love it! That has to be among the finest extant
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No doubt love that date Me Eureka !
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From the Eliasberg collection. I know of three pieces, but there could be another couple of them out there somewhere.
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Outstanding selection of pieces you've been showing since yesterday! Very cool.
Amazing
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Very nice !
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
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Cool selection MrE. Is the last one a flipped double strike?
8 Reales Madness Collection
Looks like it. Honduran 2R 1850-something? I think. Image is a little murky around the date; not sure if I just can't make it out in the image, or it was obliterated by the second strike. Also very cool.
I can’t make out the last digit of the date. One day, I’ll figure it out by comparing to other coins. Haven’t tried yet.
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Very cool piece... I feel like I need to post its older cousin. Not as outrageous as that flipover, but doubled pretty dramatically (first one I've seen to this extent):
Those are very cool! I’m curious what steps you need to take to discount the possibility of restrikes or overstrikes given that the original dies still exist in some cases?
I have been spending some time putting together a Dos Peso set which ranges from 1919-1948. The years contained are 1919, 1920, 1944, 1945, 1946, 1947 and an elusive 1948 (with like 8 known)
For realistic purposes I decided to do 1919-1947. I have acquired these so far and have been patiently waiting for the 1944 to complete it.
Here is a very tough 4R in VF25. Low grade for sure but these Ferdinand VI 4R's are TOUGH. Gilboy notes this as an R4 as does Yonaka.
Latin American Collection
Most if not all surviving CAR dies are rusted to a significant extent, so it would be obvious if they were used to create a “restrike”. Also, these double struck pieces are not worth spectacularly more than single struck pieces, so there’s little incentive to try to “improve” a typical coin.
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Another extremely rare coin. The edge flaws 100% as made, although some have disagreed.
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That's a beautiful example! I've been trying to find a 2e for type that has a nice original look. (obviously a lot less hard to find than the one you posted, but it's still been tough)
I haven't posted a coin here in a while.
Here is a proof Mexico 1982-Mo Libertad Onza. Proof Libertads weren't made generally until 1983 (for the proof set) and 1986 (individually).
Mine is unique in the PCGS Census, but there is another proof 1982 in the NGC Pops (PF64UCAM). I've never seen it, but it could be the one that Don Bailey once told me he owned?
Here is a proof Mexico 1982-Mo Libertad Onza pattern missing the obverse dentil work. (Mexicans consider the eagle-side the obverse.) This one I’m fairly sure is unique.
By law, the arms' side is the obverse. It is not just a consideration. Those are magnificent @pruebas , as always.
Since North America doesn't get enough attention here. Edited to say that you will not find these in your KM and Charlton catalogs. All are previously unknown and unadopted uniface patterns.
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Thanks for posting things from your collection @MrEureka. Love seeing what you have!
Latin American Collection
Last time I checked, Mexico was part of North America!
Nice coins, though!
Over the last month, I've had a few additions to my CAR type set. The 1/2 E images are from Heritage... normally I crossover first, then share the TrueView, but figured I would share now as I'm holding all crossover/grading submissions for a few months, just to be on the safe side.
AU55
NGC AU58
Very nice @mvs7 .
You are right @pruebas
LOL. Just realized it’s not Thursday. Working at home every day and they all just blend together. I see activity in this thread and just assume it’s Thursday.
It's Thursday folks!
Here is a uniface obverse of a Ferdinand VII Potosi 8R in silver. There are 3 known. Another was in the 2016 Stacks Bowers ANA sale here, but failed to meet reserve. Mine came out of Spain in the early 2000s.
Edited to add: Mine is ex-Rudman and weighs 39.62g vs. the Stacks coin which weighs 47g.
Here is my new one. An MS66+, with only 4 better. Bought in a time of weakness.
Anybody want her?