Breaking News! My Babe Ruth results are in but I'm not clear on what it means
plifter
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I sent it in as a crossover and here's what it says on the PSA website:
1 1 14927576 MG: MINIMUM GRADE 1933 GOUDEY 181 BABE RUTH Card US
Does that mean it met my minimum grade requirement? That's what I'm assuming but I would have thought it would have been more clear and actually listed the numerical grade.
1 1 14927576 MG: MINIMUM GRADE 1933 GOUDEY 181 BABE RUTH Card US
Does that mean it met my minimum grade requirement? That's what I'm assuming but I would have thought it would have been more clear and actually listed the numerical grade.
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Steve
Steve
The GAI holder is a kiss of death.
Steve
Steve
<< <i>Yikes, that card needs to be cracked out and sent in raw.
The GAI holder is a kiss of death.
Steve >>
My Hack Wilson from that same Goudey set doesn't look anywhere near as good as my Ruth and Hack got a 4. If that Ruth did not make a minimum of 4 then I've lost respect for PSA.
<< <i>.....If that Ruth did not make a minimum of 4 then I've lost respect for PSA. >>
Unless it's altered of course, and then there is no minimum that PSA would grant. Always a possibility when GAI is involved. Trimming isnt the only type of altering.
Then once known you can get on GAI's butt for a refund. (if it is in fact altered)
Steve
This is a classic example as to why I will never purchase a GAI holdered card. Just too questionable on all realms. I just hope they did not find a flaw/problem that you might have overlooked, or GAI over-graded on. I would rather have PSA be too strict, like they are being in this case, than to be as loose as GAI.
plifter - Call Joe Orlando directly and see if he will take a personal interest in this card for you.
Good luck with it, whatever you decide to do.
Steve
Why wouldn't this get a 4?
Mark
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I am sure he will seeing it is a Ruth card and all.
I know the feeling getting news that a 2+K item is not what you thought you had.
I bought a coin 5 yrs ago for 2K and after a few yrs I sent it in to PCGS.
Came back not slabbed and not even what the seller said it was.
Long story short I was lucky and got the seller to refund my money.
Steve
Since it is still in the holder you can call GAI on there guarantee.
Sorry this happened to you.
I'd be calling them tomorrow too.
Steve
<< <i>I always thought that GAI was a respectable grading company that just had some logistics and customer service problems. I thought that their actual grades were respectable. >>
This is a matter of opinion, but I have felt that they have always been a bit questionable, and let more than their fair share of over-graded and altered vintage cards through, when compared to PSA or SGC. I never have, nor never will, buy a GAI holdered card.
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Why wouldn't this get a 4? >>
I do not want to start a rip on a great card, but in my mind, I have questioned that right side, ever since I seen the scan. But...... unless I could view the card in person, it's just too hard to tell from the scan to be 100% sure.
<< <i>Sigh >>
What do you mean?
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<< <i>Sigh >>
What do you mean? >>
I cant speak for Steve, but I took it as he is sorry that this has happened to the OP.
J
Yup.
;-(
Steve
<< <i>he is sorry that this has happened to the OP
Yup.
;-(
Steve >>
Ok, I see what you mean, now. Sorry, it just confused me, which is not hard to do at times.
Easy now, worse things can happen in life then a freaking card come back altered.
You have your health? You can make 3k again.
Steve
I would call/email Joe.....
I would then submit the card in it's GAI holder to SGC.
If it crosses fine, if it doesn't I would then have ample ammo to go after GAI
That IMO is what you need to do.
Steve
<< <i> I paid $3,300 for that card and I'm a working class guy that used 10% of my annual earnings because I wanted to have one card in my collection that was something that people would say "WOW" when they saw it. I paid top dollar for that card. I trusted that GAI would have the expertise to spot any alterations. >>
Please don't take things too far. I understand what you are saying, and I understand how funds are hard to come by, to pay for high dollar cards, for us working class folks. But, give it time, to see how this plays out.
Maybe the guy you bought it from, would consider refunding your money? Worth a try?
I have always had a feeling that any bigger graded vintage card that is not in a PSA or SGC holder, is not in there for a reason, if you know what I mean. I sure hope this works out for you, as you seem like a decent hard working guy, who just wanted to have something nice in your collection. For this, I truly feel for you, my friend.
**Edited, as goot requested..
<< <i>Delete the bit about "I'm going to.." or else this thread will be deleted. It happened with one of mine before. >>
I agree.
would be in order.
PSA has in the past written such letters.
SGC I dunno but see no reason why they wouldn't either.
Steve
<< <i>I'm going to [redacted] if I find out my card was tampered with. I paid $3,300 for that card and I'm a working class guy that used 10% of my annual earnings because I wanted to have one card in my collection that was something that people would say "WOW" when they saw it. I paid top dollar for that card. I trusted that GAI would have the expertise to spot any alterations. >>
Don't joke [redacted] and if it's not a joke stop collecting and get some counceling now.
If you go through life and $3300 is the worst mistake you ever make consider it a life well lived.
As for the card. Get on the phone with PSA in the AM and find out exactly what MG means. Ask them specifically "If you (PSA) consider a crossover to be altered, would it get a MG or would it get some rejection based on the type of altering suspected. You probably paid fifty to one hundred for the PSA opinion and your apparently going to have to beat it out of them.
If they tell you the card was good but it didn't make a four, ask them to find out why. This was a premium submission and graders don't see really nice Goudey Ruths everyday. The card and its flaws should be pretty easy to remember. If they can't remember it send them the scan.
If they tell you they suspect altering as them to specify exactly what type of altering they suspected. I would be most concerned if they say the surface has been altered.
When the card is returned to you examine it closely and/or ask the dealer for a refund. Unfortunately since it is a GAI card I doubt the dealer will take your call.
I suspect the card is good. PSA is either playing dirty or the found some miniscule paper loss that GAI lets slide. The card is beautiful and is a "Wow" card no matter what the grade or company on the flip.
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Here is a comparison:
**Not my card, just borrowed the scan as a reference, to show why I question that right side on plifter's card.
On plifter's card, how can you have rounded corners, yet, they have a hint of a rather sharp point along that right edge leading to the soft corners? Compare to the left, so see what I am trying to say. I hope I am making sense, as I am not good with explaining myself, but know what I am trying to say. I have never seen a card that had corner wear, but comes to a destinct and sharp point, like the right side of plifter's does, unless it was trimmed/shaved.
The top right corner shows wear, but the corner has a bit more of the natural rounding, maybe a bit too sharp and suspect, but the bottom right shows the same wear, and has a really unnatural sharpness to the corner, almost to a perfectly sharp point. Since when does corner wear result in a sharp point, unless the edge/corner was shaved down to clean up something?
I thought when you first posted this card a while back you had already sent this Ruth card into psa and it did not crossover? was this the first or second time you sent it in? if psa thought it was trimmed it should say trimmed and not MG
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That's what I think, too.
Jeff
requested. How that is possible looking at the card is beyond me though.
Steve
If you put minimum grade of 4 there was no wiggle room for a slight wrinkle. Its just a guess though as I dont seen one in scan.