collecting RAW Topps baseball cards 1952 Highs to 1972. looking for collector grade (somewhere between psa 4-7 condition). let me know what you have, I'll take it, I want to finish sets, I must have something you can use for trade.
looking for Topps 71-72 hi's-62-53-54-55-59, I have these sets started
OK - The time has finally come.............There is a new numero uno, as the set that Mr. Orlando and PSA thought would never be surpassed (see below), has been de-throned with a bang !!!!!!
Wes Verno (2003) - 1955 Topps All-American Basic Set Football Last year, this tremendous set won for Best Rookie Set of the Year with a GPA of 8.85. This year, it went up to 8.95! That's right, a set that is almost uniformly PSA Mint 9s across the board. When you consider how hot these cards have been for about two years now and how old the set is, the accomplishment is tremendous. This is a set that we think we can safely say will not be surpassed anytime soon and, maybe, ever.
Have a total of 6 AA sets going on the Registry. Yes, we are 1 and 3 now. Phew! Did you see Donald Spence just bought a set of AA 8's and has already started upgrading. It will be impossible for him to break into the top three without another "find" like ours - and that is very, very, unlikely.
Did you see the dude that bought PRD's Graham 10 for about 7K is already trying to flip it on the Bay for $14K. Unreal.
Here's a few from my set. The Thorpe is a card I'll probably never sell, and it's one of two I've ever seen that had perfect centering (although I'm sure macboube has a beauty in his set, but I don't think he's posted yet). I am tempted to crack and resubmit the Thorpe, but for now the card (not the grade) is all that matters.
nice cards, i haven't been able to upgrade my set in awhile. but its nice seeing your stuff
Fred
collecting RAW Topps baseball cards 1952 Highs to 1972. looking for collector grade (somewhere between psa 4-7 condition). let me know what you have, I'll take it, I want to finish sets, I must have something you can use for trade.
looking for Topps 71-72 hi's-62-53-54-55-59, I have these sets started
mac i forgot to ask, did you get any error cards in the find?
Fred
collecting RAW Topps baseball cards 1952 Highs to 1972. looking for collector grade (somewhere between psa 4-7 condition). let me know what you have, I'll take it, I want to finish sets, I must have something you can use for trade.
looking for Topps 71-72 hi's-62-53-54-55-59, I have these sets started
nice card carew, those horizontial cards are tough at times, i say an 8 if the ink dots in tops right don't hold it back but i don't think so
PSA 8 atleast
Fred
collecting RAW Topps baseball cards 1952 Highs to 1972. looking for collector grade (somewhere between psa 4-7 condition). let me know what you have, I'll take it, I want to finish sets, I must have something you can use for trade.
looking for Topps 71-72 hi's-62-53-54-55-59, I have these sets started
Congrats to RVS on winning the 2009 Set Registry Rookie of the Year Award with an incredible AA Set. His 9.10 flew by the Verno set that J.O. said "may never be passed"...............My 8.70 would have likely won ROY any other time.......Oh Well.
How sweet is this card? It will be listed TONITE on the BAY. Check it out and many others from my cello pack find. You will never find better quality AA's. Fresh from the pack, only ever seen/touched by PSA and myself. Look how bright the white margins are, how razor sharp the corners are, how vibrant the colors of Irish green and gold are, the brilliant yellow, the perfect surface gloss. This is the best football card in the history of football cards, and a rare chance to own an unqualified NM-MT 8.
Also, look for more of my incredible AA's in Cleve. at the Nat'l. There will be some rare treats, I promise you. Check it out at PSA's booth and the BBCard Exchange booth. You will not be disappointed.
collecting RAW Topps baseball cards 1952 Highs to 1972. looking for collector grade (somewhere between psa 4-7 condition). let me know what you have, I'll take it, I want to finish sets, I must have something you can use for trade.
looking for Topps 71-72 hi's-62-53-54-55-59, I have these sets started
I started the set over the weekend.... Unbelievable cards at the national... right out of packs and graded by PSA
Strong buyer of 1970 Kelloggs Football & 1971 Kelloggs Baseball and Football. Please help me find cards! I have a few hundred extra PSA graded 1971 Kellogg's cards. E-mail for price list. Looking for 1970 Topps Supers in PSA 9 too.
If I could comment on the PSA grading, we heard that grading was considerably more difficult at the show.........Maybe so, but the above results were pleasing with the exception of the following:
Horseman 9 speciman is close to a 10.......still need to hit that elusive one and get a 1/1 of this great card......It will happen! (Think positive) Baugh 9 is closer to a 10 The Fats 8.5 card and the Bernard 8.5 could easily be 9's The two Donchess 8's should be 9's That Hutson 7.5 is the best looking 7.5 of fall time, compare it to the 10
Feel free to comment re grade opinions - feedback welcome Text
i thougth the same thing about the hutson when i saw it i looked at the 10 and there wasn't too much difference
good luck with them
are you going for an all 10 set??
Fred
collecting RAW Topps baseball cards 1952 Highs to 1972. looking for collector grade (somewhere between psa 4-7 condition). let me know what you have, I'll take it, I want to finish sets, I must have something you can use for trade.
looking for Topps 71-72 hi's-62-53-54-55-59, I have these sets started
<< <i>If I could comment on the PSA grading, we heard that grading was considerably more difficult at the show.........Maybe so, but the above results were pleasing with the exception of the following: >>
You got a PSA 10 Hutson and you're complaining about grades? Really? Are you serious?
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
Hey Fred............a set of all 10's is impossible. Our No. 1 set has about 1/4 tens. We will resub the Horseman, and all the others listed that I "complain" about.
As stated, pleased with the overall results of the sub, including the 10 Hutson of course, but what would prevent anyone from "complaining" (really more like questioning) from great cards being under graded? Just because a few cards came back 10 doesnt mean all other grades are to be vaulted unquestioned. I can almost guarantee you of the 7 diff. cards I "complained" about, at least four of them will bump or grade higher when all is said and done.
Matt the Hammer. Thks for the compliment. Yes, that slight tilt may hold the Horseman back, and there is an ever so slight blue printer mark on the rear, too.
Some PSA graded packs are for sale thru Steve Hart at the Baseball Card Exchange. They range in price from $5K to $13K depending on the grade and who is on top and back. We have packs with Horseman on top and Hutson on top.
Each pack contains 20 cards (usually) and if you crack 'em out and get results like the last two we opened at the Natl, you will be way ahead of your investment cost most certainly. That 10 of Hutson is $20 - 25K alone. What a home run.
Jim, Those are some awesome cards. Congrats on your find. It has to be thrilling to open up cello's from over 50 years ago and know you might score a touchdown with the results.
That 7.5 Hutson looks sharper than the two 8's I once owned.
jim if you keep going opening the cello it may not be impossible
good luck
Fred
collecting RAW Topps baseball cards 1952 Highs to 1972. looking for collector grade (somewhere between psa 4-7 condition). let me know what you have, I'll take it, I want to finish sets, I must have something you can use for trade.
looking for Topps 71-72 hi's-62-53-54-55-59, I have these sets started
The Otto Graham 10 (1/1) is up for auction on ebay. The Los Angeles dealer who bought it on ebay approx. 6 mo.'s ago is trying to sell it on a ten day auction after his BIN for $15K failed to sell. He paid approx. $7,600 for it and I think it may even go for less this time around.
nice buy for some one, you didn't grab that macboube??
Fred
collecting RAW Topps baseball cards 1952 Highs to 1972. looking for collector grade (somewhere between psa 4-7 condition). let me know what you have, I'll take it, I want to finish sets, I must have something you can use for trade.
looking for Topps 71-72 hi's-62-53-54-55-59, I have these sets started
Fred - funny you should mention that I did not buy it. There is a good reason. I think I will get one, maybe two Graham 10's on the next sub.............
Still, $4,900.00 is a good buy even if it becomes a Pop 1 of 2. I dunno about a Pop 1 of 3 ???????
This set wins the award for worst consistancy with grading. I've seen 8's that were just terrible. PSA is all over the place with these. Centering on some 7's is close to 85/15. Nice cards, but the more I learn about this set is that they are not rare at all even in high grade. All the cards are available it seems like almost all the time.
I was the top underbidder (2nd highest bidder) each of the last two times the 1955 Topps All-American Otto Graham PSA 10 card sold. One reason I bid less the second time around is because I grow increasingly wary about potential POP increases to high-end 1955 Grahams. That's simply because a number of this set's high end cards have seen POP increases due to that rather well documented find.
Consequently, I've focused more on scooping up 1950, 1951, and 1952 Bowman football issues lately - which is perhaps the most underrated, undervalued segment in all of vintage sports memorabilia that I have witnessed.
Agreed, $4,900 could be a fair price even if it becomes a POP 1 of 2. It's the uncertainty in this market segment that the above condition has caused. Perhaps there may be less uncertainty if 1955 Topps AA cards from the find were submitted to PSA more slowly.
The subject Graham is a beautiful card that I'd like to have nonetheless! It would have been for my Otto Graham Player Set.
Your aprehension on AA's due to the frequency of submission from "the find" is curious. Maybe you do not realize how small the percantage of individual card submission for grading is compared to the qty. of unopened packs held in tow? Regardless, the enthusiasm we've developed in the past 15 months is significant for this remarkable set. It isn't one of the top 25 sets of all-time (of which there are only a couple of other football sets) for nothing! Also, the Graham 10 you have been runner-up on pales by comparison to the 29 other pack fresh 10's I have seen first hand. As a matter of fact, I've seen several 8.5's that look as good, if not better. There is something to be said about the quality of a 54 year old card that has never been touched, and only seen the light of day for moments............
Mickey:
Are you Mickey B on the Registry? Anyway, your observations on the AA grading being all over the place is extremely astute! Your observations on high grade availibility depends on what you constitute as a high grade. Certainly there is not an abundance of 10's available. Compared to it's 50's baseball peers, there are very little or almost no 9's available. If 7's and 8's are what you are alluding to, I agree, they are available - with the exception though of the many low pop 8's that do remain scarce.
<< <i>Maybe you do not realize how small the percantage of individual card submission for grading is compared to the qty. of unopened packs held in tow? >>
Doesn't matter about the size of each submission; it's the overall quantity. Because of your find, people believe there's more available product that will produce high end grades. As I told you when we were negotiating for some cards; as the pop report increases, prices will decrease. Don't get me wrong, you didn't flood the market but overal percentage wise, it was a pretty big pop.
The economy isn't helping things but TAAs will eventually stabilize and then increase once again.
IMO
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
You would not even pay a VCP mean almost 9 - 12 months ago - long before the market was "over supplied" according to some people.
And Econ 101 says that any product in demand will rise, regardless of it's supply. >>
You're recollection is different than mine. From what I remember, you wanted more than the last sale, which was higher than VCP average and didn't include an increase of the pop report. You were non-negotiable with your pricing and I didn't want to pay that much. We couldn't make a deal, shook hands, and treated each other with respect. I still came on here and compliemented you as a Seller, didn't even mention our unsuccessful negotiations. Let's keep it that way.
As for Economics 101: demand must be greater than increase of supply in order for prices to continue to increase. Increase in supply with the same demand (or in some cases, less demand due to the economy) will cause prices to either stabilize or decrease. Based upon recent sales, IMO, would go with the latter.. For now..
Long story short, I'm not blaming you. Just giving my perspective as a TAA collector. Nothing more, nothing less.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
Stown: No disrespect intended. However, I do recall ostensibly asking VCP means in our negotiation, not most recent. FYI, their sales were strong in Cleve. and Pa., commanding approx. 10 - 15% above VCP means and well above most recents, albeit 6's, 7's, and 8's. I doubt this is because of a turn in the economy. When you have a product that is exceptional to the competition, that is scarce and displays superlative quality and condition, above average sales is a natural phenomenon. IMO.
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collecting RAW Topps baseball cards 1952 Highs to 1972. looking for collector grade (somewhere between psa 4-7 condition). let me know what you have, I'll take it, I want to finish sets, I must have something you can use for trade.
looking for Topps 71-72 hi's-62-53-54-55-59, I have these sets started
Did get two more 10's, too.
Wes Verno (2003) - 1955 Topps All-American Basic Set Football
Last year, this tremendous set won for Best Rookie Set of the Year with a GPA of 8.85. This year, it went up to 8.95! That's right, a set that is almost uniformly PSA Mint 9s across the board. When you consider how hot these cards have been for about two years now and how old the set is, the accomplishment is tremendous. This is a set that we think we can safely say will not be surpassed anytime soon and, maybe, ever.
Here are a few more MINTS AND GEMS
$4500
BTW....How are you doing on your 2 sets? I saw you have #1 and #3 now.
Are you going to be submitting more cards or are you done?
Just curious..
Dave
FINISHED 12/8/2008!!!
Have a total of 6 AA sets going on the Registry. Yes, we are 1 and 3 now. Phew! Did you see Donald Spence just bought a set of AA 8's and has already started upgrading. It will be impossible for him to break into the top three without another "find" like ours - and that is very, very, unlikely.
Did you see the dude that bought PRD's Graham 10 for about 7K is already trying to flip it on the Bay for $14K. Unreal.
Hope all is well with you. Ever get your Fats 7 ?
I've ever seen that had perfect centering (although I'm sure macboube has a beauty in his set,
but I don't think he's posted yet). I am tempted to crack and resubmit the Thorpe, but for now
the card (not the grade) is all that matters.
collecting RAW Topps baseball cards 1952 Highs to 1972. looking for collector grade (somewhere between psa 4-7 condition). let me know what you have, I'll take it, I want to finish sets, I must have something you can use for trade.
looking for Topps 71-72 hi's-62-53-54-55-59, I have these sets started
i forgot to ask, did you get any error cards in the find?
collecting RAW Topps baseball cards 1952 Highs to 1972. looking for collector grade (somewhere between psa 4-7 condition). let me know what you have, I'll take it, I want to finish sets, I must have something you can use for trade.
looking for Topps 71-72 hi's-62-53-54-55-59, I have these sets started
CW, your Thorpe is magnificent! All World. I see you will not sell. How about a trade? Would a Rockne 9 get your attn.
My newest pick up... any thoughts on the grade?
PSA 8 atleast
collecting RAW Topps baseball cards 1952 Highs to 1972. looking for collector grade (somewhere between psa 4-7 condition). let me know what you have, I'll take it, I want to finish sets, I must have something you can use for trade.
looking for Topps 71-72 hi's-62-53-54-55-59, I have these sets started
How sweet is this card? It will be listed TONITE on the BAY. Check it out and many others from my cello pack find. You will never find better quality AA's. Fresh from the pack, only ever seen/touched by PSA and myself. Look how bright the white margins are, how razor sharp the corners are, how vibrant the colors of Irish green and gold are, the brilliant yellow, the perfect surface gloss. This is the best football card in the history of football cards, and a rare chance to own an unqualified NM-MT 8.
Also, look for more of my incredible AA's in Cleve. at the Nat'l. There will be some rare treats, I promise you. Check it out at PSA's booth and the BBCard Exchange booth. You will not be disappointed.
good luck with them
collecting RAW Topps baseball cards 1952 Highs to 1972. looking for collector grade (somewhere between psa 4-7 condition). let me know what you have, I'll take it, I want to finish sets, I must have something you can use for trade.
looking for Topps 71-72 hi's-62-53-54-55-59, I have these sets started
I have a few hundred extra PSA graded 1971 Kellogg's cards. E-mail for price list. Looking for 1970 Topps Supers in PSA 9 too.
Opened two packs at the National at Steve Hart's BBCX and pulled the following, with grading at the show:
The pulls/grades were very, very sweet indeed. Here is how it breaks down, as only about half of the forty cards have been graded so far:
3 - Gem Mint 10's (Hutson 2/2, Rockne 3/4, Kelley 1/1 and all except one ROCK 10 are ours)
9 - Mint 9's (Horseman, Baugh, Hickman, two Hestons, Kelley, Wyatt, Brickley, Dooley)
2 - 8.5's (Fats and Bernard)
2 - 8's (Both Donchess)
1 - 7.5 (Hutson)
THe sixteen scans are below...........
The others will grade out with several 8's, some 7's, one or two OC's or 6's.
Horseman 9 speciman is close to a 10.......still need to hit that elusive one and get a 1/1 of this great card......It will happen! (Think positive)
Baugh 9 is closer to a 10
The Fats 8.5 card and the Bernard 8.5 could easily be 9's
The two Donchess 8's should be 9's
That Hutson 7.5 is the best looking 7.5 of fall time, compare it to the 10
Feel free to comment re grade opinions - feedback welcome
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i thougth the same thing about the hutson when i saw it i looked at the 10 and there wasn't too much difference
good luck with them
are you going for an all 10 set??
collecting RAW Topps baseball cards 1952 Highs to 1972. looking for collector grade (somewhere between psa 4-7 condition). let me know what you have, I'll take it, I want to finish sets, I must have something you can use for trade.
looking for Topps 71-72 hi's-62-53-54-55-59, I have these sets started
<< <i>If I could comment on the PSA grading, we heard that grading was considerably more difficult at the show.........Maybe so, but the above results were pleasing with the exception of the following: >>
You got a PSA 10 Hutson and you're complaining about grades? Really? Are you serious?
Beautiful cards.
What was the price of a cello?
As stated, pleased with the overall results of the sub, including the 10 Hutson of course, but what would prevent anyone from "complaining" (really more like questioning) from great cards being under graded? Just because a few cards came back 10 doesnt mean all other grades are to be vaulted unquestioned. I can almost guarantee you of the 7 diff. cards I "complained" about, at least four of them will bump or grade higher when all is said and done.
Jim
Some PSA graded packs are for sale thru Steve Hart at the Baseball Card Exchange. They range in price from $5K to $13K depending on the grade and who is on top and back. We have packs with Horseman on top and Hutson on top.
Each pack contains 20 cards (usually) and if you crack 'em out and get results like the last two we opened at the Natl, you will be way ahead of your investment cost most certainly. That 10 of Hutson is $20 - 25K alone. What a home run.
Jim
T222's PSA 1 or better
Those are some awesome cards. Congrats on your find.
It has to be thrilling to open up cello's from over 50 years ago and
know you might score a touchdown with the results.
That 7.5 Hutson looks sharper than the two 8's I once owned.
That PSA 9 Baugh is super sharp too.
Just stunning cards.
if you keep going opening the cello it may not be impossible
good luck
collecting RAW Topps baseball cards 1952 Highs to 1972. looking for collector grade (somewhere between psa 4-7 condition). let me know what you have, I'll take it, I want to finish sets, I must have something you can use for trade.
looking for Topps 71-72 hi's-62-53-54-55-59, I have these sets started
nice buy for some one, you didn't grab that macboube??
collecting RAW Topps baseball cards 1952 Highs to 1972. looking for collector grade (somewhere between psa 4-7 condition). let me know what you have, I'll take it, I want to finish sets, I must have something you can use for trade.
looking for Topps 71-72 hi's-62-53-54-55-59, I have these sets started
Still, $4,900.00 is a good buy even if it becomes a Pop 1 of 2. I dunno about a Pop 1 of 3 ???????
Consequently, I've focused more on scooping up 1950, 1951, and 1952 Bowman football issues lately - which is perhaps the most underrated, undervalued segment in all of vintage sports memorabilia that I have witnessed.
Agreed, $4,900 could be a fair price even if it becomes a POP 1 of 2. It's the uncertainty in this market segment that the above condition has caused. Perhaps there may be less uncertainty if 1955 Topps AA cards from the find were submitted to PSA more slowly.
The subject Graham is a beautiful card that I'd like to have nonetheless! It would have been for my Otto Graham Player Set.
Your aprehension on AA's due to the frequency of submission from "the find" is curious. Maybe you do not realize how small the percantage of individual card submission for grading is compared to the qty. of unopened packs held in tow? Regardless, the enthusiasm we've developed in the past 15 months is significant for this remarkable set. It isn't one of the top 25 sets of all-time (of which there are only a couple of other football sets) for nothing! Also, the Graham 10 you have been runner-up on pales by comparison to the 29 other pack fresh 10's I have seen first hand. As a matter of fact, I've seen several 8.5's that look as good, if not better. There is something to be said about the quality of a 54 year old card that has never been touched, and only seen the light of day for moments............
Mickey:
Are you Mickey B on the Registry? Anyway, your observations on the AA grading being all over the place is extremely astute! Your observations on high grade availibility depends on what you constitute as a high grade. Certainly there is not an abundance of 10's available. Compared to it's 50's baseball peers, there are very little or almost no 9's available. If 7's and 8's are what you are alluding to, I agree, they are available - with the exception though of the many low pop 8's that do remain scarce.
I knew I didnt like you, especially after your Phillies kicked the f'ing %$!*^#@! out of my Dodgers two years in a row!
<< <i>Maybe you do not realize how small the percantage of individual card submission for grading is compared to the qty. of unopened packs held in tow? >>
Doesn't matter about the size of each submission; it's the overall quantity. Because of your find, people believe there's more available product that will produce high end grades. As I told you when we were negotiating for some cards; as the pop report increases, prices will decrease. Don't get me wrong, you didn't flood the market but overal percentage wise, it was a pretty big pop.
The economy isn't helping things but TAAs will eventually stabilize and then increase once again.
IMO
for the record,
You would not even pay a VCP mean almost 9 - 12 months ago - long before the market was "over supplied" according to some people.
And Econ 101 says that any product in demand will rise, regardless of it's supply.
<< <i>Stown
for the record,
You would not even pay a VCP mean almost 9 - 12 months ago - long before the market was "over supplied" according to some people.
And Econ 101 says that any product in demand will rise, regardless of it's supply. >>
You're recollection is different than mine. From what I remember, you wanted more than the last sale, which was higher than VCP average and didn't include an increase of the pop report. You were non-negotiable with your pricing and I didn't want to pay that much. We couldn't make a deal, shook hands, and treated each other with respect. I still came on here and compliemented you as a Seller, didn't even mention our unsuccessful negotiations. Let's keep it that way.
As for Economics 101: demand must be greater than increase of supply in order for prices to continue to increase. Increase in supply with the same demand (or in some cases, less demand due to the economy) will cause prices to either stabilize or decrease. Based upon recent sales, IMO, would go with the latter.. For now..
Long story short, I'm not blaming you. Just giving my perspective as a TAA collector. Nothing more, nothing less.