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  • pf70collectorpf70collector Posts: 6,673 ✭✭✭
    Sorry to hear of your outcome in this matter.



  • I'm an evil person. If I were the person who had the extra silver eagles, I would probably for the most part just keep them.

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  • Dollar2007Dollar2007 Posts: 759 ✭✭✭
    The mint sent me a double order once, and they sent me a letter a couple weeks later telling me to send it back or they would bill me for the items. This was for a order of two rolls of presidential dollars. Maybe you could send them a bill.
  • dohdoh Posts: 6,457 ✭✭✭
    Mike and Andrew....image
    Positive BST transactions with: too many names to list! 36 at last count.


  • << <i>Mike and Andrew....image >>



  • If somebody sent me the wrong amount of coins and cried and moaned about it.
    I would send the stuff back to him embedded in a block of smelly limburger cheese.

    Take your loss like a man, and quit whining about it like some spoiled baby boomer.


  • << <i>I'm an evil person. If I were the person who had the extra silver eagles, I would probably for the most part just keep them.

    image >>



    hmm


  • << <i>Sounds like a very costly mistake.

    If I had received 10 and ordered one, I'd keep them. Not my problem. Thanks for the present. >>




    ur a POS.

    bet you rip dip and flip your mother in the name of PROFIT ™

    know what you don't know.

    hi, i'm tom.

    i do not doctor coins like some who post in here.

  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Sumorada I am sorry this happened to you. Sumo is one of the good guys here and deserves better.

    if it will help sumo i can pay for one of the coins. drop me a pm with your paypal address and Ill gladly help you out.


    Steve
    Good for you.

  • I negged um!
  • I know how really stinky limburger is. I remember as a kid hanging out
    in a hamburger stand where the owner was a hyper nasty Greek fellow.
    He short changed one of my friends once and wouldn't fess up to it,
    so the next day with the lunch crowd there, we tossed a chunk of limburger on the grill
    WOWWWWWWWW !!!!!! cleared the whole place out and we sure got some
    bigtime kickkkkkksssssssss.

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  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,086 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I negged um! >>

    Linkage?
  • ScarsdaleCoinScarsdaleCoin Posts: 5,266 ✭✭✭✭✭
    quite honestly, you made the error and your calling him the PERP .... I think it sucks if you lose out, but I think its wrong to call him a PERP
    Jon Lerner - Scarsdale Coin - www.CoinHelp.com


  • << <i>Sounds like a very costly mistake.

    If I had received 10 and ordered one, I'd keep them. Not my problem. Thanks for the present. >>





    No good human being amongst us.



    Jerry
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,436 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>If somebody sent me the wrong amount of coins and cried and moaned about it.
    I would send the stuff back to him embedded in a block of smelly limburger cheese.

    Take your loss like a man, and quit whining about it like some spoiled baby boomer. >>



    Another POS troll.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    2 years ago a large company delivered a basket of fruit,cookies and cakes to my house in error.

    I live on Dale and it was supposed to be sent ( UPS messed up) to Yale (3 blocks away) I called them(the sender) and asked them if they wanted me to simply deliver it to the rightful owner. They said no, I could keep it or throw it out.


    My point is it does not matter as to the size of the company or whatever, what is right is right and what is wrong is wrong.


    IMO the reciever of the 10 coins should have had an inkling something was wrong when it cost 10x the normal amout to send it to Germany <eyeroll>

    Steve
    Good for you.
  • BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Sounds like a very costly mistake.

    If I had received 10 and ordered one, I'd keep them. Not my problem. Thanks for the present. >>



    Enjoy your time here on the boards. No doubt that you've earned a lot of respect here.


  • << <i>2 years ago a large company delivered a basket of fruit,cookies and cakes to my house in error.

    I live on Dale and it was supposed to be sent ( UPS messed up) to Yale (3 blocks away) I called them(the sender) and asked them if they wanted me to simply deliver it to the rightful owner. They said no, I could keep it or throw it out.


    My point is it does not matter as to the size of the company or whatever, what is right is right and what is wrong is wrong.


    IMO the reciever of the 10 coins should have had an inkling something was wrong when it cost 10x the normal amout to send it to Germany <eyeroll>

    Steve >>



    Does it really cost 10x the normal amount? I think after a certain weight, you get a package deal, just like priority mail.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Mike

    I really am not sure however this is not being sent within the US so the weight of the package would surely be of some concern no?

    Steve
    Good for you.
  • stev32kstev32k Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭
    I'm really sorry that happened - sounds like levand2005 is a real, certified scum bag. I see you left a Neg. good for you.

    Edit: P.S. a negative like that is one people will pay attention to
    Who is General Failure, and why is he reading my hard drive?


  • << <i>Mike

    I really am not sure however this is not being sent within the US so the weight of the package would surely be of some concern no?

    Steve >>



    I'm just here to cause trouble.

    There could be many other reasons, like excessive packaging or something. I know of some dealers who send in 10" cubed boxes for a single coin. Lots of newspapers, triple boxed, etc.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Mike

    the reasons you claim do not apply here as the buyer has stated he/she simply re mailed it.

    Unless you can get Sumo to state that he triple boxed it etc......


    Steve
    Good for you.


  • << <i>Mike

    the reasons you claim do not apply here as the buyer has stated he/she simply re mailed it.

    Unless you can get Sumo to state that he triple boxed it etc......


    Steve >>



    But if the buyer didn't open the box, how does he/she know what was in it (discounting Sumo's Email to the buyer)? Could be lots of triple boxes.

    And if he/she already knew what was in the box, then extra postage wouldn't be a factor because the contents are already known.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,436 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Do you guys really believe that he doesn't still have the coins? image

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • I made the mistake of shipping the wrong coin to a customer once. He said he liked that one as much as the one he should have received so he bought it as well!

    Sorry that didn't answer your question

    Dr J
  • If a decent dealer made such a mistake, I'd return the 9 extra coins or
    pay for them. But if he called me a POS and a troll like you did, not even knowing me, negged me, I would
    do nothing for him.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Mike

    We do know how it was delivered because Sumo packaged it up. (At least he does) and my assumption is that he did poackage it in such a way that 1 coin would weigh like 10.

    simply put your argument does not hold water in this case. In other cases, in general yes. not this time buddy.


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 8,087 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>quite honestly, you made the error and your calling him the PERP .... I think it sucks if you lose out, but I think its wrong to call him a PERP >>



    image


  • << <i>Mike

    We do know how it was delivered because Sumo packaged it up. (At least he does) and my assumption is that he did poackage it in such a way that 1 coin would weigh like 10.

    simply put your argument does not hold water in this case. In other cases, in general yes. not this time buddy.


    Steve >>



    It still does hold water.

    The buyer doesn't know how Sumo packaged it up, did he?
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    I agree, sadly the neg was a lil too fast IMO. I would have tried a lil harder getting the person to send them back. as for people calling others here POS and trolls for what they said, well if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it usually is a duck.


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,436 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>If a decent dealer made such a mistake, I'd return the 9 extra coins or
    pay for them. But if he called me a POS and a troll like you did, not even knowing me, negged me, I would
    do nothing for him. >>



    The name calling started after the buyer refused to return the coins.



    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Mike it does not matter what the buyer knows regarding how it was packaged at this point, what matters is that Sumo emailed him and told him of the error! the buyer then stated he mailed it on. He then left the door open, telling sumo if he could be of any other help. my point was simply that he should NOW understand the error. That at this juncture he could have put 2+2 together, In his mind he would say, well ya duh the packaged weighed alot for simply being one coin and duh I should not have paid X to mail it on and DUH. Sumo should have called his bluff and said yes, can you get them back for me!

    After this one you can still say all you want about how the buyer is ignorant I'm done.

    I will allow you the final word on this as you most certaintly will anyway.

    Steve


    Good for you.


  • << <i>Mike it does not matter what the buyer knows regarding how it was packaged at this point, what matters is that Sumo emailed him and told him of the error! the buyer then stated he mailed it on. He then left the door open, telling sumo if he could be of any other help. my point was simply that he should NOW understand the error. That at this juncture he could have put 2+2 together, In his mind he would say, well ya duh the packaged weighed alot for simply being one coin and duh I should not have paid X to mail it on and DUH. Sumo should have called his bluff and said yes, can you get them back for me!

    After this one you can still say all you want about how the buyer is ignorant I'm done.

    I will allow you the final word on this as you most certaintly will anyway.

    Steve >>



    I disagree.

    Let's take the following scenario in this order.

    1. Buyer receives the package, and ships it out to his friend in Germany.
    2. Sumo emails buyer, stating that there was a mistake in the shipment and requests correction.

    The point is, at the time the buyer shipped the package (if he did), is there a reasonable explanation that the package weighed more with only 1 coin? The answer is maybe, if there were lots of extraneous padding.

    I would agree with you if the item was shipped after the buyer received notification of the error.

    The basic question is, did the buyer ship before or after knowledge of the error?
  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭


    << <i>. The basic question is, did the buyer ship before or after knowledge of the error? >>



    The buyer didn't ship anything...


  • << <i>

    << <i>. The basic question is, did the buyer ship before or after knowledge of the error? >>



    The buyer didn't ship anything... >>



    I thought he allegedly shipped the item to Germany.
  • I feel bad, but I think if you asked him just 1 question, you'd know if he's lying or being truthful. Ask him if he can fax you the reciept from the post office, or the date of shipment?
    my EBAY items
    Successful forum transactions: jessewvu, nankraut, tootawl, levinll, mistercoinman, metalsman, adamlaneus, chuckc, fivecents, kingplatinum, jdimmick, waterzooey, moderncoinmart, bige, steelielee,


  • << <i>The (10) coins were ebay BIN @28.50 each........yeah the "present" thing bothers me! >>



    Why does the "present" thing bother you? He may not have intended it as saying "Thanks for the present" but instead "It's a perfect present for my friend in Germany"


  • << <i>

    << <i>The (10) coins were ebay BIN @28.50 each........yeah the "present" thing bothers me! >>



    Why does the "present" thing bother you? He may not have intended it as saying "Thanks for the present" but instead "It's a perfect present for my friend in Germany" >>



    Speaking of which, we should just wait a couple more weeks. Most Germans tend to be very honest. If he did indeed ship the package to Germany, maybe the German will say, "What a pleasant surprise. 10 American Eagles." In which case, the original buyer would understand and ship payment accordingly to Sumo and all would be well.

  • Yes if he were honest and his friend said, THX for the extra coins. Maybe, although very unlikely about 10-20%. But now that he got a NEG and they can't be taken back, I don't see that guy going to any post office to return coins to some1 who just gave him a NEG.
    It's a horrible thing that happened, but I guess your lucky you only lost 285$ as compared to like a 3pc silv 20 anny first strike 70 set being sent ather than a 69 first strike being sent. I like the idea of Scarsdale ( I think) about video taping the shipments in case of future problems if you sell with any amount of volume.
    my EBAY items
    Successful forum transactions: jessewvu, nankraut, tootawl, levinll, mistercoinman, metalsman, adamlaneus, chuckc, fivecents, kingplatinum, jdimmick, waterzooey, moderncoinmart, bige, steelielee,
  • sinin1sinin1 Posts: 7,500
    I am not sure how many items you ship - but if you sent more than 2 items that day, how are you sure you are going after and negging the correct PERP?


    Last month I shipped 2 items and got packing slip and item together but taped wrong PAYPAL shipping label on 2 packages - I shipped 6 items that day

    when the first guy complained about what he got, I confirmed with the other guy that he got the wrong item as well - mine were both worth around $90

    not a $80 versus $300 swap
  • When I approached this person knowing that he had already left feedback, I did it in a manner that would allow him to reconcider the poor judgement he used in not notifying me that he had received more then he should have
    (I think the legal term is False Enrichment). I did this by asking if he would open the package asap.............not by saying where are my coins you sob....he made his choice ...
    its sad that this could happen over a couple hundred bucks, As I said before I have never given a NEG before and I did not take this lightly, Its over, I'll eat the loss, He eats the NEG !

    BTW thanks Winpitcher for the offer but I'll handle it........

    Below is a copy of the original email I sent this person...


    Mr. Levand good morning, on friday dec. 7th we shipped a package to you that
    we believe was in error, the package should have contained this....280180491706)
    2007 W SILVER EAGLE 27F BURNISHED NGC MS70 "PERFECT" But instead contained
    (10) 2007 w silver eagles that were purchased by another person in Oregon.
    We shipped (2) packages to Oregon that day,The one with the MS70 silver eagle
    went to the other person, Would you open your package as soon as possible
    to check this out,

    thanks beers3740
  • DieClashDieClash Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭
    I've received mistaken items on two different occasions. The first was a mint-wrapped Sac roll. The Seller sent me the wrong date. I contacted him and asked him what he wanted to do. Turns out he had the correct date roll in his possession but it was currently listed with a wrong date on his eBay listing. He agreed to ship the correct date roll for the same price that I won in the first auction. I paid him and ended up getting two rolls that I needed.

    In the second case I won a 2004 U.S. Westward Journey Nickel set and the Seller shipped me a 2005 set in a 2004 box. When I contacted him he realized the mistake. He had the lenses out inspecting them and accidentally stuck the 2005 set in the 2004 box and vice versa with the 2004 set. He shipped me the set and told me to keep the 2005 set. I would buy from this Seller any time.

    It's a shame your buyer was not as honest as either of the two Sellers that worked with me to resolve the mistakes.
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  • DuPapaDuPapa Posts: 495 ✭✭
    It might be helpful to use the "Show Postage Amount" option in the future. At least 9 oz difference in weight between the two packages.

    Big box and small box I assume. Nevertheless. the weight is shown on the label. With the weight and postage (visible or not) of a 1 coin slab package, it's just a matter of "he said, she said" and the "she said" side has that fact that the package weight/postage for 1 coin was delivered on her side.
  • For all the members who believe in "you made the mistake eat the loss" " Take it like a man"
    Why don't you try that with the banks or the IRS when they accidentally post a deposit to your account in error and you go pull the money out before they notice. Lets see how far your excuses carry you then.

    It's called a simple matter of ETHICS AND MORALS

    Don't worry SUMORADA his payback will come around someday.


  • << <i>When I approached this person knowing that he had already left feedback, I did it in a manner that would allow him to reconcider the poor judgement he used in not notifying me that he had received more then he should have
    (I think the legal term is False Enrichment). I did this by asking if he would open the package asap.............not by saying where are my coins you sob....he made his choice ...
    its sad that this could happen over a couple hundred bucks, As I said before I have never given a NEG before and I did not take this lightly, Its over, I'll eat the loss, He eats the NEG !

    BTW thanks Winpitcher for the offer but I'll handle it........

    Below is a copy of the original email I sent this person...


    Mr. Levand good morning, on friday dec. 7th we shipped a package to you that
    we believe was in error, the package should have contained this....280180491706)
    2007 W SILVER EAGLE 27F BURNISHED NGC MS70 "PERFECT" But instead contained
    (10) 2007 w silver eagles that were purchased by another person in Oregon.
    We shipped (2) packages to Oregon that day,The one with the MS70 silver eagle
    went to the other person, Would you open your package as soon as possible
    to check this out,

    thanks beers3740 >>



    Yes

    But what if already shipped the package?


  • << <i>Mr. Levand good morning, on friday dec. 7th we shipped a package to you that
    we believe was in error, the package should have contained this....280180491706)
    2007 W SILVER EAGLE 27F BURNISHED NGC MS70 "PERFECT" But instead contained
    (10) 2007 w silver eagles that were purchased by another person in Oregon.
    We shipped (2) packages to Oregon that day,The one with the MS70 silver eagle
    went to the other person, Would you open your package as soon as possible
    to check this out,

    thanks beers3740 >>


    You forgot to say the magic word...Please. Sorry about your loss but I bet you will be more careful in the future.
    Never teach a pig to sing. You'll waste your time and annoy the pig image

    image


  • << <i>For anyone who wants to block this guy, his ebay name is.......levand2005 >>



    Before we trip over each other in our stampede of righteous indignation & start blocking this person & casting all sorts of accusations around, perhaps we should see how this whole thing plays out.

    I cringe every time I see one of these Rush to Judgement threads, particularly when the (alleged) villain is outed early in the piece. I seem to remember more than one occasion in which what sounded like a BS story at first turned out to be true & the "perp" had done nothing wrong.

    In this particular case:
      The buyer's feedback reference to a "perfect present" actually makes sense with their later story of shipping the coin/coins straight onThere is a chance (small, I know) that the other buyer is lying about only receiving one coinThere is also a chance that the other coins have been shipped to somebody else entirely, or were mistakenly omitted entirelyThere could be yet another explanation that I can't think of
    So let's hold off the lynch mob just a little longer. If levand2005 has the coins & is lying about it, then he/she is a lowlife - but there is still a chance this will be resolved &/or levand2005 is being honest. If things don't work out, I'm sorry about the loss - I've come close to doing a similar thing on more than one occasion!

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  • bestdaybestday Posts: 4,239 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Unfortunately he would not have to pay postage due. The Post Office randomly checks packages for accuracy. If it is not accurate it gets returned to sender. If it makes it to the end chances are it was never checked for postage accuracy.

    I made this mistake once but it worked out OK in the end. In your case I hope it does also. >>



    If shipped to a P.O.Box ................concerned , sharp eyed employees would have flagged the package ..happened to me 2 weeks ago.
    The only way you would have known..............is if the addressee refused to pay the postage due
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    I don't believe for a second that any eBay buyer would ship off a package for a trade deal without first verifying the contents of the package.

    Russ, NCNE
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    I don't believe for a second that any eBay buyer would ship off a package for a trade deal without first verifying the contents of the package


    Mike would, he would have just assumed the shipper fort knoxed it up and that is why it weighed almost 10x what it should have.


    Steve
    Good for you.

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