It has nothing to do with the ocean, salt, sea particles, etc. Anybody who collects late 1950's and early 1960's proofs has been dealing with this problem for a long time. When I first started submitting, many of the coins developed milk spots after holdering. To solve the problem I started giving each a quick dip before sending them for grading. None of the dipped coins have since developed spots. None.
This is the same problem that car manufacturers had prior to 1980, (about that time). They knew that the salty air, salt on the roads after ice storms was the reason their cars were rusting. The rust was usually concentrated on the rear quarter panels because this is where the tires threw the salt. They solved this problem by dipping the parts in a rust preventive solution prior to assembly.
<< <i>This is a huge problem and were totally serious about the reward.
We've already spent close to that amount on scientific analysis, and the numerous people we've worked with are baffled.
Find a solution...and we'll write the $50k check in a heartbeat.
hrh >>
So, have you, or anyone "in position of power" within the industry contacted Edmund Moy/USMint about the issue and ways to try to resolve it? If the same planchets are for proof SAEs and they spot less, then what is different? Same method for commems? Do they spot? If not, what's different?
<< <i>Whenever people come to the ocean and say, "Smell that salt air!", I have to bite my tongue. ... The characteristic smell of a beach or the ocean is from gases emitted by beach organisms, not from salt. >>
"Mmm.. smell that dimethyl sulfide bacteria fart air!"
Checked my PF-69 last weekend and it now has spots.....the RP is fine, UNC is fine so far. All slabbed by PCGS so there isn't a guarantee with these anymore?
<< <i>Checked my PF-69 last weekend and it now has spots.....the RP is fine, UNC is fine so far. All slabbed by PCGS so there isn't a guarantee with these anymore? >>
the guarantee is ....send it in for a spot review and they will contact you with the results....no time frame on the spot review.
good god, the answer is simple! dip the danged things!!!
then, don't stick 'em in slabs so that if the spots start coming back, you can dip 'em again! & again! & keep dipping till the cows come home & you can get your milk the way you want it!
GOOD GRIEF!!!
& yes, they are freaking silver rounds. i don't care if the federal gov't made them, they are shiny little silver disks that look exactly the same from 1 to the next.
<< <i>good god, the answer is simple! dip the danged things!!!
then, don't stick 'em in slabs so that if the spots start coming back, you can dip 'em again! & again! & keep dipping till the cows come home & you can get your milk the way you want it!
GOOD GRIEF!!!
& yes, they are freaking silver rounds. i don't care if the federal gov't made them, they are shiny little silver disks that look exactly the same from 1 to the next.
K S >>
And, rants like this, and your own projections to everyone to think the way you do, are why your posts mean so little to most everyone here. At one time, a few years ago, I remember a few of your posts may have had a reasonable point. However, lately, you want people to collect the way you want, think the way you want, and you belittle things just because of your own beliefs.
If there is a denomination, backed by the US Govt, on them, they aren't "silver rounds". They may be NCLT, but they aren't silver rounds. If you don't want to collect them, fine. If you don't think people collecting them are true collectors, or smart, then that is fine.
It's just too bad you show how small-minded you are and continue to read threads that you know don't interest you other than to be negative about it. Makes me wonder...is "FC" your alt?
Why offer a reward for what you already know is a U.S. Mint problem, then?
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<< <i>I reckon a coat of clear lacquer would solve the poblem. >>
wouldn't that be close to 'doctoring'
"government is not reason, it is not eloquence-it is a force! like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." George Washington
<< <i>As far as I know NGC and ANACS dont have the milk spotting problem, or at least not to the extent that PCGS does. I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer but isnt Newport Beach, CA geographically located between the Pacific Ocean and Newport Bay. The salt in the air is so thick you can smell it. When employees come in from outside it's on their clothes and in their hair so any special filtration systems or clean rooms are instantly contaminated. >>
but how do you explain the spots in proof sets from the mint?
"government is not reason, it is not eloquence-it is a force! like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." George Washington
<< <i>Don't drink milk when you handle your coins??
"government is not reason, it is not eloquence-it is a force! like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." George Washington
<< <i>Relicsncoins is correct.... as I have stated here at least a dozen times, a spectrum analysis or atomic absorption test will reveal the chemical components of the 'milkspot'... once known, the source will become obvious. The 'cure', if possible, may also be determined from said analysis... the 'cure' being the preventive action as well as a possible corrective action. Cheers, RickO >>
but heck ricko..............that makes too much sense!
"government is not reason, it is not eloquence-it is a force! like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." George Washington
So, have you, or anyone "in position of power" within the industry contacted Edmund Moy/USMint about the issue and ways to try to resolve it? If the same planchets are for proof SAEs and they spot less, then what is different? Same method for commems? Do they spot? If not, what's different?
Ie.....has anybody gone to the source? >>
i'm not sure they would listen
"government is not reason, it is not eloquence-it is a force! like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." George Washington
<< <i>The first step would be to take a milk spotted coin and remove a sample of the milk spot and run it through spectrum annalsys and determin the chemical makeup of the the milk spot. This should tell you what is milkspotting the coin and steer you in a direction toward solving it if it's solvable.
JJ >>
Excellent suggestion!
I was going to suggest hot dip chrome plating everything! LOL TD
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<< <i>Not sound waves from the sealing machine. We get them with spots straight out of the mint boxes sometimes. I've seen lots of raw SAEs with spots >>
It could be the way the ASE blank planchets are being washed at the Mint. Maybe some of the undesolved detergent from the washing is splashing on some of the ASE planchets after they are rinsed?
<< <i>Checked my PF-69 last weekend and it now has spots.....the RP is fine, UNC is fine so far. All slabbed by PCGS so there isn't a guarantee with these anymore? >>
the guarantee is ....send it in for a spot review and they will contact you with the results....no time frame on the spot review. >>
They have had my 20th Ann PR and RP70's and 12 other 20th Ann ASE's for over 2.5 months!!!!! Absolutely no information is being provided as to their status either. I think PCGS is waiting for the prices to drop out and then give me an "offer". Boy, will the sparks fly if they try to pull that crap on me.
<< <i>Mr. Hall, I'm toying with this hypothesis: the sound waves from the sonic sealing process are interacting with the coin surface to create metastable nodes where contaminants - solid, liquid, and gaseous - get concentrated. Gases heavier than air like evaporated salt water or vaporized lubricant or and solid particles of whatever the Mint leaves on the coin will concentrate in these nodes naturally.
Sound waves can actually lift up and levitate solids and liquids in mid-air while doing this - I recall NASA actually built special equipment to demonstrate it. The node of contamination may then stick to a nearby surface and even change state - that is, precipitate from a gaseous node or microscopic drop to a solid particle. Precipitation is more likely to take place once energy is removed from the system - that is, after the sonic sealer has been turned off.
If this is the case there are a few solutions to the problem. If a cleaner environment is not possible - and it may not be if the contamination is something on the coin and the sealing process merely concentrates it into "milk drops" - I would try altering the frequency and intensity of the sonic applicator:
1) A longer application at lower intensity might avoid levitating contaminants. 2) A shorter application at higher intensity might not give the nodes time to form. 3) Choosing a different frequency to seal the slabs would alter where nodes form above the coin, and maybe eliminate the problem altogether. >>
The sonic sealing process makes a lot of sense to me. I had a collection of ASE's from 1989 until 2007 that I had bought and kept in their original US Mint capsules. I recently submitted them to PCGS and about 5 of the 18 coins now have milk spots on them. Now you tell me how a coin can sit for so long with no problem what-so-ever and as soon as they are graded, BOOM, milkspots.
Maybe PCGS should grade the coins inside their US Mint capsules and then holder them INSIDE their US Mint capsules.
<< <i>Checked my PF-69 last weekend and it now has spots.....the RP is fine, UNC is fine so far. All slabbed by PCGS so there isn't a guarantee with these anymore? >>
the guarantee is ....send it in for a spot review and they will contact you with the results....no time frame on the spot review. >>
They have had my 20th Ann PR and RP70's and 12 other 20th Ann ASE's for over 2.5 months!!!!! Absolutely no information is being provided as to their status either. I think PCGS is waiting for the prices to drop out and then give me an "offer". Boy, will the sparks fly if they try to pull that crap on me. >>
Actually the reverse is happening....the prices are rising.
"Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
I currently have 9 coins from the silver 20th Ann. sets at PCGS right now for spot review including a Reverse Proof 70 First Strike and a Proof 70 First Strike.
What I thought was weird is that all of my coins were stored in the same safe deposit box including many other proof silver eagles from other years. THE ONLY ones that got spots were the Anniversary sets... I have no idea why.
I am really disappointed that my top pop coins spotted. I can say that I don't plan on buying any more silver eagles other than for bullion purposes until this gets worked out.
Its easy to be glib or makes jokes about others collecting habits, or choice of purchases if you are not the one suffering the consequences of something like this. We are not all "experts" and we all started somewhere. If someone chooses to start by collecting modern stuff, maybe they gradually move towards the classics as their knowledge and confidence builds. That's how it was with me. It seems as if there is an effort to belittle folks for collecting modern coins to the point of running them out of the hobby. It just seems a little short-sighted to me.
<< <i>Its easy to be glib or makes jokes about others collecting habits, or choice of purchases if you are not the one suffering the consequences of something like this. We are not all "experts" and we all started somewhere. If someone chooses to start by collecting modern stuff, maybe they gradually move towards the classics as their knowledge and confidence builds. That's how it was with me. It seems as there is an effort to belittle folks for collecting modern coins to the point of running them out of the hobby. It just seems a little short-sighted to me. >>
<< <i>Its easy to be glib or makes jokes about others collecting habits, or choice of purchases if you are not the one suffering the consequences of something like this. We are not all "experts" and we all started somewhere. If someone chooses to start by collecting modern stuff, maybe they gradually move towards the classics as their knowledge and confidence builds. That's how it was with me. It seems as there is an effort to belittle folks for collecting modern coins to the point of running them out of the hobby. It just seems a little short-sighted to me. >>
Very well said.
Sorry to hear about your ASE problems Richard. >>
I've come full circle....started with then "modern" stuff about 40 years ago...reverted to "classic" stuff about 15 years ago & now I'm back to "modern ( post 1971 & modern 10DM silver commems.) Collect what "turns you on" & give you a profit down the road.
"Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
Go for you hrh!! It sucks having to pay for something that isn't your(PCGS) fault and you (PCGS) has no control over.......YET. A $50,000 reward will be small potatoes compared to all to buy backs and down grades PCGS will be making.
hrh......It seems the way to solve the problem is at the source....the US Mint.
<< <i>The same thing happens with late 1950's and early 1960's proofs, and they've sat in the mint packaging for a hell of a lot longer than Silver Eagles. >>
Russ....Aren't those called "glue spots" and considered to be different from milk spots?
<< <i><< The same thing happens with late 1950's and early 1960's proofs, and they've sat in the mint packaging for a hell of a lot longer than Silver Eagles. >>
Russ....Aren't those called "glue spots" and considered to be different from milk spots? >>
No. Glue spots are a different animal than milk spots and, in fact, can in many cases be removed with acetone. Here is an example of milk spots on an earlier proof:
The coin was pristine when first pulled from the set.
<< <i>No. Glue spots are a different animal than milk spots and, in fact, can in many cases be removed with acetone. Here is an example of milk spots on an earlier proof >>
That is what I was saying....if you reread what I wrote in my post above.
<< <i><< No. Glue spots are a different animal than milk spots and, in fact, can in many cases be removed with acetone. Here is an example of milk spots on an earlier proof >>
That is what I was saying....if you reread what I read in my post above. >>
I posted that the same thing - milk spots - happens to earlier proofs and you responded with "Russ....Aren't those called "glue spots" and considered to be different from milk spots?" So, again, no they aren't called glue spots.
This may or may not be pertinent, last year I submitted a lot of 2006 w unc.'s across the street with decent results, a lot of which were sealed so I never saw them until they were slabbed, then we made another large purchase of them that we did select the coins for grade, these 50-100 or 200 (I forget the amount) coins made the 70's we already had look sick,
these were bright flawless coins for the most part, I think the results after grading was under 6-7 % 70's, I took some of what I thought were the best of the 69"s we received back down there ,
I simply said show me why these are not 70's while I'm here....................they were taken in to the graders, and a little while later they brought them out , they pointed out a couple that had small problems that I had missed so I said what about the rest of these, the answer was that the others will develop milk spots.............of course I asked how do you know that.......no answer
so do graders know the early signs that are invisible to us ? Just the other day I posted here that I took a look at some of the 2006 w unc 69's (about 80) 25 of them now have milk!
Maybe they do know something, I don't know..................
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<< <i>This is a huge problem and were totally serious about the reward.
We've already spent close to that amount on scientific analysis, and the numerous people we've worked with are baffled.
Find a solution...and we'll write the $50k check in a heartbeat.
hrh >>
So, have you, or anyone "in position of power" within the industry contacted Edmund Moy/USMint about the issue and ways to try to resolve it?
If the same planchets are for proof SAEs and they spot less, then what is different? Same method for commems? Do they spot? If not, what's different?
Ie.....has anybody gone to the source?
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>Whenever people come to the ocean and say, "Smell that salt air!", I have to bite my tongue. ... The characteristic smell of a beach or the ocean is from gases emitted by beach organisms, not from salt. >>
"Mmm.. smell that dimethyl sulfide bacteria fart air!"
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<< <i>Checked my PF-69 last weekend and it now has spots.....the RP is fine, UNC is fine so far. All slabbed by PCGS so there isn't a guarantee with these anymore? >>
the guarantee is ....send it in for a spot review and they will contact you with the results....no time frame on the spot review.
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then, don't stick 'em in slabs so that if the spots start coming back, you can dip 'em again! & again! & keep dipping till the cows come home & you can get your milk the way you want it!
GOOD GRIEF!!!
& yes, they are freaking silver rounds. i don't care if the federal gov't made them, they are shiny little silver disks that look exactly the same from 1 to the next.
K S
<< <i>good god, the answer is simple! dip the danged things!!!
then, don't stick 'em in slabs so that if the spots start coming back, you can dip 'em again! & again! & keep dipping till the cows come home & you can get your milk the way you want it!
GOOD GRIEF!!!
& yes, they are freaking silver rounds. i don't care if the federal gov't made them, they are shiny little silver disks that look exactly the same from 1 to the next.
K S >>
And, rants like this, and your own projections to everyone to think the way you do, are why your posts mean so little to most everyone here.
At one time, a few years ago, I remember a few of your posts may have had a reasonable point. However, lately, you want people to collect the way you want, think the way you want, and you belittle things just because of your own beliefs.
If there is a denomination, backed by the US Govt, on them, they aren't "silver rounds". They may be NCLT, but they aren't silver rounds.
If you don't want to collect them, fine. If you don't think people collecting them are true collectors, or smart, then that is fine.
It's just too bad you show how small-minded you are and continue to read threads that you know don't interest you other than to be negative about it.
Makes me wonder...is "FC" your alt?
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
Not sound waves from the sealing machine. We get them with spots straight out of the mint boxes sometimes. I've seen lots of raw SAEs with spots.
hrh
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<< <i>I reckon a coat of clear lacquer would solve the poblem. >>
wouldn't that be close to 'doctoring'
<< <i>As far as I know NGC and ANACS dont have the milk spotting problem, or at least not to the extent that PCGS does. I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer but isnt Newport Beach, CA geographically located between the Pacific Ocean and Newport Bay. The salt in the air is so thick you can smell it. When employees come in from outside it's on their clothes and in their hair so any special filtration systems or clean rooms are instantly contaminated. >>
but how do you explain the spots in proof sets from the mint?
<< <i>Don't drink milk when you handle your coins??
<< <i>Relicsncoins is correct.... as I have stated here at least a dozen times, a spectrum analysis or atomic absorption test will reveal the chemical components of the 'milkspot'... once known, the source will become obvious. The 'cure', if possible, may also be determined from said analysis... the 'cure' being the preventive action as well as a possible corrective action. Cheers, RickO >>
but heck ricko..............that makes too much sense!
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So, have you, or anyone "in position of power" within the industry contacted Edmund Moy/USMint about the issue and ways to try to resolve it?
If the same planchets are for proof SAEs and they spot less, then what is different? Same method for commems? Do they spot? If not, what's different?
Ie.....has anybody gone to the source? >>
i'm not sure they would listen
<< <i>good god, the answer is simple! dip the danged things!!!
then, don't stick 'em in slabs so that if the spots start coming back, you can dip 'em again! >>
You're showing your ignorance, Karl. Once milk spots form, they are permanent - they cannot be dipped off.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>The first step would be to take a milk spotted coin and remove a sample of the milk spot and run it through spectrum annalsys and determin the chemical makeup of the the milk spot. This should tell you what is milkspotting the coin and steer you in a direction toward solving it if it's solvable.
JJ >>
Excellent suggestion!
I was going to suggest hot dip chrome plating everything!
LOL
TD
<< <i>Not sound waves from the sealing machine. We get them with spots straight out of the mint boxes sometimes. I've seen lots of raw SAEs with spots >>
It could be the way the ASE blank planchets are being
washed at the Mint. Maybe some of the undesolved detergent from the washing is splashing on some of the ASE planchets after they are rinsed?
<< <i>Why offer a reward for what you already know is a U.S. Mint problem, then? >>
Perhaps they'll try to recoup their incurred costs from the mint.
<< <i>
<< <i>Checked my PF-69 last weekend and it now has spots.....the RP is fine, UNC is fine so far. All slabbed by PCGS so there isn't a guarantee with these anymore? >>
the guarantee is ....send it in for a spot review and they will contact you with the results....no time frame on the spot review. >>
They have had my 20th Ann PR and RP70's and 12 other 20th Ann ASE's for over 2.5 months!!!!! Absolutely no information is being provided as to their status either. I think PCGS is waiting for the prices to drop out and then give me an "offer". Boy, will the sparks fly if they try to pull that crap on me.
<< <i>Mr. Hall, I'm toying with this hypothesis: the sound waves from the sonic sealing process are interacting with the coin surface to create metastable nodes where contaminants - solid, liquid, and gaseous - get concentrated. Gases heavier than air like evaporated salt water or vaporized lubricant or and solid particles of whatever the Mint leaves on the coin will concentrate in these nodes naturally.
Sound waves can actually lift up and levitate solids and liquids in mid-air while doing this - I recall NASA actually built special equipment to demonstrate it. The node of contamination may then stick to a nearby surface and even change state - that is, precipitate from a gaseous node or microscopic drop to a solid particle. Precipitation is more likely to take place once energy is removed from the system - that is, after the sonic sealer has been turned off.
If this is the case there are a few solutions to the problem. If a cleaner environment is not possible - and it may not be if the contamination is something on the coin and the sealing process merely concentrates it into "milk drops" - I would try altering the frequency and intensity of the sonic applicator:
1) A longer application at lower intensity might avoid levitating contaminants.
2) A shorter application at higher intensity might not give the nodes time to form.
3) Choosing a different frequency to seal the slabs would alter where nodes form above the coin, and maybe eliminate the problem altogether. >>
The sonic sealing process makes a lot of sense to me. I had a collection of ASE's from 1989 until 2007 that I had bought and kept in their original US Mint capsules. I recently submitted them to PCGS and about 5 of the 18 coins now have milk spots on them. Now you tell me how a coin can sit for so long with no problem what-so-ever and as soon as they are graded, BOOM, milkspots.
Maybe PCGS should grade the coins inside their US Mint capsules and then holder them INSIDE their US Mint capsules.
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>Checked my PF-69 last weekend and it now has spots.....the RP is fine, UNC is fine so far. All slabbed by PCGS so there isn't a guarantee with these anymore? >>
the guarantee is ....send it in for a spot review and they will contact you with the results....no time frame on the spot review. >>
They have had my 20th Ann PR and RP70's and 12 other 20th Ann ASE's for over 2.5 months!!!!! Absolutely no information is being provided as to their status either. I think PCGS is waiting for the prices to drop out and then give me an "offer". Boy, will the sparks fly if they try to pull that crap on me. >>
Actually the reverse is happening....the prices are rising.
I currently have 9 coins from the silver 20th Ann. sets at PCGS right now for spot review including a Reverse Proof 70 First Strike and a Proof 70 First Strike.
What I thought was weird is that all of my coins were stored in the same safe deposit box including many other proof silver eagles from other years. THE ONLY ones that got spots were the Anniversary sets... I have no idea why.
I am really disappointed that my top pop coins spotted. I can say that I don't plan on buying any more silver eagles other than for bullion purposes until this gets worked out.
Its easy to be glib or makes jokes about others collecting habits, or choice of purchases if you are not the one suffering the consequences of something like this. We are not all "experts" and we all started somewhere. If someone chooses to start by collecting modern stuff, maybe they gradually move towards the classics as their knowledge and confidence builds. That's how it was with me. It seems as if there is an effort to belittle folks for collecting modern coins to the point of running them out of the hobby. It just seems a little short-sighted to me.
Regards,
Richard Shipp
<< <i>Its easy to be glib or makes jokes about others collecting habits, or choice of purchases if you are not the one suffering the consequences of something like this. We are not all "experts" and we all started somewhere. If someone chooses to start by collecting modern stuff, maybe they gradually move towards the classics as their knowledge and confidence builds. That's how it was with me. It seems as there is an effort to belittle folks for collecting modern coins to the point of running them out of the hobby. It just seems a little short-sighted to me. >>
Sorry to hear about your ASE problems Richard.
<< <i>
<< <i>Its easy to be glib or makes jokes about others collecting habits, or choice of purchases if you are not the one suffering the consequences of something like this. We are not all "experts" and we all started somewhere. If someone chooses to start by collecting modern stuff, maybe they gradually move towards the classics as their knowledge and confidence builds. That's how it was with me. It seems as there is an effort to belittle folks for collecting modern coins to the point of running them out of the hobby. It just seems a little short-sighted to me. >>
Sorry to hear about your ASE problems Richard. >>
I've come full circle....started with then "modern" stuff about 40 years ago...reverted to "classic" stuff about 15 years ago & now I'm back to "modern ( post 1971 & modern 10DM silver commems.) Collect what "turns you on" & give you a profit down the road.
Our guarantee is still in force...
Send us your spotted coins and we'll bend over.
hrh
<< <i>Our guarantee is still in force...
Send us your spotted coins and we'll bend over.
hrh >>
Now how many CEOs will offer you a return policy like that!
A $50,000 reward will be small potatoes compared to all to buy backs and down grades PCGS will be making.
hrh......It seems the way to solve the problem is at the source....the US Mint.
<< <i>Stop slabbing bullion - problem solved.
I don't believe the problem is as pronounced with world bullion (maple leafs, pandas, libertads, kooks, etc.) as it is with silver eagles. Or, is it?
<< <i>Now you tell me how a coin can sit for so long with no problem what-so-ever and as soon as they are graded, BOOM, milkspots. >>
The same thing happens with late 1950's and early 1960's proofs, and they've sat in the mint packaging for a hell of a lot longer than Silver Eagles.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>The same thing happens with late 1950's and early 1960's proofs, and they've sat in the mint packaging for a hell of a lot longer than Silver Eagles. >>
Russ....Aren't those called "glue spots" and considered to be different from milk spots?
<< <i>We've already spent close to that amount on scientific analysis, and the numerous people we've worked with are baffled. >>
Well, HRH, you've come to the right place! Now tell us what PCGS knows so far and we'll take it from there.
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<< <i><< The same thing happens with late 1950's and early 1960's proofs, and they've sat in the mint packaging for a hell of a lot longer than Silver Eagles. >>
Russ....Aren't those called "glue spots" and considered to be different from milk spots? >>
No. Glue spots are a different animal than milk spots and, in fact, can in many cases be removed with acetone. Here is an example of milk spots on an earlier proof:
The coin was pristine when first pulled from the set.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>No. Glue spots are a different animal than milk spots and, in fact, can in many cases be removed with acetone. Here is an example of milk spots on an earlier proof >>
That is what I was saying....if you reread what I wrote in my post above.
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<< <i><< No. Glue spots are a different animal than milk spots and, in fact, can in many cases be removed with acetone. Here is an example of milk spots on an earlier proof >>
That is what I was saying....if you reread what I read in my post above. >>
I posted that the same thing - milk spots - happens to earlier proofs and you responded with "Russ....Aren't those called "glue spots" and considered to be different from milk spots?" So, again, no they aren't called glue spots.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>Alot of your low grade VAM finds come out of the bullion junk bucket didn't they? Don't throw stones from your glass house Coxe.
Just wanted to see how fast I got a response.
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<< <i>So does this mean no more 70s for the burnished unc ASEs? >>
Nope. PCGS still gives the burnished ASE dated 2006-W and 2007-W the MS70 grade.
This may or may not be pertinent, last year I submitted a lot of 2006 w unc.'s across the street with decent results,
a lot of which were sealed so I never saw them until they were slabbed,
then we made another large purchase of them that we did select the coins for grade, these 50-100 or 200 (I forget the amount) coins made the 70's we already had look sick,
these were bright flawless coins for the most part, I think the results after grading was under 6-7 % 70's, I took some of what I thought were the best of the 69"s we received back down there ,
I simply said show me why these are not 70's while I'm here....................they were taken in to the graders, and a little while later they brought them out , they pointed out a couple that had small problems that I had missed so I said what about the rest of these, the answer was that the others will develop milk spots.............of course I asked how do you know that.......no answer
so do graders know the early signs that are invisible to us ? Just the other day I posted here that I took a look at some of the 2006 w unc 69's (about 80) 25 of them now have milk!
Maybe they do know something, I don't know..................