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GoldenEyeNumismaticsGoldenEyeNumismatics Posts: 13,187 ✭✭✭
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this guy usually provides semi-deceptive pics and his coins usually go for moon money. Mostly though it's all under 2 grand. Looks like he's tried to make a move into the higher quality stuff here, and I'm interested to see how it pans out.

Coin looks like an AU. Dipped, but still a gradable AU.
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  • gecko109gecko109 Posts: 8,231 ✭
    FDC= fleur de coin? Who the hell still uses that term anymore? I much prefer PQ.
  • gecko109gecko109 Posts: 8,231 ✭
    In fact, every single one of his coins in auction is FDC. This man has delusions of granduer (sp?).
  • quickwingquickwing Posts: 1,155
    Very Nice but shows signs of wear, also has a nasty cut at left breast and shield. No one can argue it's a tough date, very tough. If it would slab it would be wearing one. Everyone should be so fortunate to have such a wonderful granddad. image
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  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,141 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This seller has been the subject of several threads for the last 30+ days. All I can say, his Grandfather, left him some nice coins. Has anyone on the Board bid on any of his auctions?
    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • coinmickeycoinmickey Posts: 767 ✭✭


    << <i>FDC= fleur de coin? Who the hell still uses that term anymore? I much prefer PQ. >>



    European auction houses and firms use the "FDC" term regularly. However, for someone to use it on EBay and apply it to a U.S. coin is really asking the prospective bidder(s) to come armed with knowledge that's a bit beyond what's expected of the average U.S. collector.

    BTW- the coin is a dog...image
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  • UtahCoinUtahCoin Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭✭✭
    621 people think his coins are great. I've been tempted, but I just can't seem to get past the "no return" thing..
    I used to be somebody, now I'm just a coin collector.
    Recipient of the coveted "You Suck" award, April 2009 for cherrypicking a 1833 CBHD LM-5, and April 2022 for a 1835 LM-12, and again in Aug 2012 for picking off a 1952 FS-902.
  • UtahCoinUtahCoin Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A couple of buyers think they got burned, including someone named "centsles".......image
    I used to be somebody, now I'm just a coin collector.
    Recipient of the coveted "You Suck" award, April 2009 for cherrypicking a 1833 CBHD LM-5, and April 2022 for a 1835 LM-12, and again in Aug 2012 for picking off a 1952 FS-902.
  • LeeGLeeG Posts: 12,162 ✭


    << <i>621 people think his coins are great. I've been tempted, but I just can't seem to get past the "no return" thing.. >>


    You're a smart buyer! image
  • holeinone1972holeinone1972 Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭
    Payment by Money Order, Cashier's/Certified Check, sorry NO PAYPAL or credit cards, items sold as is and all sales final as estate settlement does not allow for returns.


    All you need to know.
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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    His Grandfather must be turning in his grave as he left instructions in red ink "Keep Do Not Sell".

    Thought "FDC" on all his auctions stood for "Freshly Dipped Coin"? image
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  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,377 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Can someone zoom in on these two pictures I'm providing, because you may see quite a difference in the shape of the date, especially the "6".

    The first picture is an au 1916 quarter from the Heritage auction - totally genuine.
    The second picture is this seller's 1916 SLQ he has currently for auction. Please notice the date under higher magnification.

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  • ArizonadesertratArizonadesertrat Posts: 566 ✭
    More than just dipped. Both the obverse and reverse surfaces look rough.
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Those are 14 brave bidders! image
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  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭
    I have a very difficult time even believing that this stuff was left to him by his grandfather! His scans or photo's are very misleading if you read some of the feedback that has left.

    Am I watching the auctions? Not really as I hate to imagine the looks on some of these folks faces when their coins arrive and/or get rejected by one of the TPG's. Especially with that no return business and no PayPal!
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
  • SilverEagles92SilverEagles92 Posts: 6,787 ✭
    You're right. That 6 doesn't look right.
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  • GoldenEyeNumismaticsGoldenEyeNumismatics Posts: 13,187 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Can someone zoom in on these two pictures I'm providing, because you may see quite a difference in the shape of the date, especially the "6".

    The first picture is an au 1916 quarter from the Heritage auction - totally genuine.
    The second picture is this seller's 1916 SLQ he has currently for auction. Please notice the date under higher magnification.

    image

    image >>



    I noticed the exact same thing, but I'm pretty sure the coin's real.
  • habaracahabaraca Posts: 2,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
    a diagnostic to the real thing.. is the hair of Liberty going INTO the beading around the coin, and not under it.

    that looks ok
  • SLQSLQ Posts: 311 ✭✭

    The 9 looks a bit strange too.
  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,141 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Caveat Emptor......read some of the "Pos. Feeback" that he received...

    SCANS MISLEADING. NGC REFUSED TO SLAB THE COIIN. ENHANCED SURFACES
    ERRIR!! ERROR!! CAME BACK FROM NGC AS HAVING MODIFIED SURFACES. SCANS MISLEADING
    SCANS MISLEADING. NGC REFUSED TO SLAB THE COIIN. ENHANCED SURFACES
    FEEDBACK MISTAKE. COIN CAME BACK FROM NGC AS IMPROPERLY CLEANED. MISLEADING SCAN
    FEEDBACK MISTAKE. SELLERS SCANS ARE DESIGNED TO HIDE PROBLEMS/IMPERFECTIONS
    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • TexastTexast Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭✭
    I zoomed in, (gotta love that feature on windos vista) several things wrong between the pictures, his has a double chin, the 6 is wrong, the designers initial is wrong, the stars are lacking detail, the base of the R in liberty is wrong, there does appear to be pitting where pitting does not belong. I do not know about this series yet I can tell these have some major differences.
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  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,553 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Payment by Money Order, Cashier's/Certified Check, sorry NO PAYPAL or credit cards, items sold as is and all sales final as estate settlement does not allow for returns.


    All you need to know.
    ' >>



    He says he inherited these coins from his grandfather, but then he says estate settlement does not allow for returns. Seems very contradictory to me. If he inherited the coins, then the estate settlement has to be final, otherwise he couldn't sell the coins. So if he owns the coins, the estate settlement wouldn't matter in terms of whether coins could be returned. If the estate settlement isn't final and he is selling them for the estate, then his statement about inheriting the coins isn't true. In either of the two possible scenarios, he is lying.

    No bids from me.

    An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.

  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Caveat Emptor......read some of the "Pos. Feeback" that he received...

    SCANS MISLEADING. NGC REFUSED TO SLAB THE COIIN. ENHANCED SURFACES
    ERRIR!! ERROR!! CAME BACK FROM NGC AS HAVING MODIFIED SURFACES. SCANS MISLEADING
    SCANS MISLEADING. NGC REFUSED TO SLAB THE COIIN. ENHANCED SURFACES
    FEEDBACK MISTAKE. COIN CAME BACK FROM NGC AS IMPROPERLY CLEANED. MISLEADING SCAN
    FEEDBACK MISTAKE. SELLERS SCANS ARE DESIGNED TO HIDE PROBLEMS/IMPERFECTIONS >>



    Don't forget this one: This coin I paid 1600+ for is cleaned, hairlined, and slightly worn......I Lose

    Oh yeah, maybe the attorney's on the board could answer this?

    "Payment by Money Order, Cashier's/Certified Check, sorry NO PAYPAL or credit cards, items sold as is and all sales final as estate settlement does not allow for returns.

    Is that true? Not only that but I got the impression that these were left to him but then that's the impression that his auction text leaves with you. A Closer read could be interpreted that he is settling his granfather's estate with the exception of this line:

    "I AM SELLING ALL MY COINS FROM MY INHERITANCE AT NO RESERVE"

    Still, no returns and no buyers recourse (no paypal, no credit cards) when they discovered they've been duped is a huge red flag waving in the breeze! Of course this is not even mentioning the possible schill bidding going on here but I've discussed that one before and got shot down!

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    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    At least for almost 5 figures this SLQ already comes with a body bag included at no additional charge image
    To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
  • grabbagrabba Posts: 1,251
    This is the feedback I like the most. Funny thing he should post that.

    Neutral feedback rating COIN BETTER IN SCAN THAN IN PERSON !

    centsles ( 32157 [Feedback score is 25,000 to 49,999] )
    Oct-09-07 10:20
    1894-S Barber Quarter FDC Unc Pristine - Among the Best (#230170277740) US $1,576.51



  • drwstr123drwstr123 Posts: 7,049 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>This is the feedback I like the most. Funny thing he should post that.

    Neutral feedback rating COIN BETTER IN SCAN THAN IN PERSON !

    centsles ( 32157 [Feedback score is 25,000 to 49,999] )
    Oct-09-07 10:20
    1894-S Barber Quarter FDC Unc Pristine - Among the Best (#230170277740) US $1,576.51 >>


    That's easy, just cut and paste!
  • ILikeMercsILikeMercs Posts: 1,392 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Payment by Money Order, Cashier's/Certified Check, sorry NO PAYPAL or credit cards, items sold as is and all sales final as estate settlement does not allow for returns.


    All you need to know.
    ' >>



    He says he inherited these coins from his grandfather, but then he says estate settlement does not allow for returns. Seems very contradictory to me. If he inherited the coins, then the estate settlement has to be final, otherwise he couldn't sell the coins. So if he owns the coins, the estate settlement wouldn't matter in terms of whether coins could be returned. If the estate settlement isn't final and he is selling them for the estate, then his statement about inheriting the coins isn't true. In either of the two possible scenarios, he is lying.

    No bids from me. >>




    maybe there are others involved in the sales proceeds. But I still wouldn't bid over melt.
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  • droopyddroopyd Posts: 5,381 ✭✭✭


    << <i>A couple of buyers think they got burned, including someone named "centsles".......image >>



    karma can be a bee-yatch, eh?
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  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not a full head on that coin. It look like he has a lot of nice coins but with no return I'll keep my $$$$ but that is just me. image


    Hoard the keys.
  • BarbercoinBarbercoin Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭
    Not a chance!!

    Too fishy.

    WTB: Barber Quarters XF

  • pontiacinfpontiacinf Posts: 8,915 ✭✭
    I hope you guys are not ripping this auctions apart, just to drive fellow board members away image


    Luckily, none of this touches me, as he has nothing I am interested in.

    and yes, the date on that 16 SLQ looks funky, and since when did you guys start valuing centsles opinion?
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  • MORGANHUNTER2MORGANHUNTER2 Posts: 4,473 ✭
    4 weeks ago when this clown started his FDC listings everyone here thought 'new stuff' on the market.

    Well the first thing p[opped into mind- why not have it slabbed and authenticated as genuine and attach a grade to it!

    lo and behold- this person is selling coins FDC i might add at moon money-

    and now some have come out of the closet

    I saw these coins 3 years ago- same place- different seller (now)- it's bull sh*iT and we as a collecting group can't slow it down- no matter what we say.

    I posted 16 questions to this clown- on 16 different items he had- no response whatsoevere.

    Is he lame/a thief/ someone who can't wait to be caught and can hide?

    I'm guessing he fits #2 & 3...

    I hate being brutally honest.
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Run... do not walk... away.... far too many questions, bad write up, poor feedback... run Dick, run..... Cheers, RickO
  • BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I hope you guys are not ripping this auctions apart, just to drive fellow board members away image


    Luckily, none of this touches me, as he has nothing I am interested in.

    and yes, the date on that 16 SLQ looks funky, and since when did you guys start valuing centsles opinion? >>




    Opinion? Pfffft. It's karma, baby - karma.

    Check out my current listings: https://ebay.com/sch/khunt/m.html?_ipg=200&_sop=12&_rdc=1

  • pontiacinfpontiacinf Posts: 8,915 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I hope you guys are not ripping this auctions apart, just to drive fellow board members away image


    Luckily, none of this touches me, as he has nothing I am interested in.

    and yes, the date on that 16 SLQ looks funky, and since when did you guys start valuing centsles opinion? >>




    Opinion? Pfffft. It's karma, baby - karma. >>



    he does deserve what he gets IMHO image
    image

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  • grabbagrabba Posts: 1,251


    << <i>and since when did you guys start valuing centsles opinion? >>



    I don't think anyone is valuing his opinion. I think it is funny that centsles would leave that type of feedback since he slabs his own coins and they are so over graded that on a good day his MS70's and PR70DCAM's would probably get a body bag by the major graders.

    If you can't see the comedy in that then you are not paying attention.
  • pontiacinfpontiacinf Posts: 8,915 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>and since when did you guys start valuing centsles opinion? >>



    I don't think anyone is valuing his opinion. I think it is funny that centsles would leave that type of feedback since he slabs his own coins and they are so over graded that on a good day his MS70's and PR70DCAM's would probably get a body bag by the major graders.

    If you can't see the comedy in that then you are not paying attention. >>



    Oh I did miss that point, its why I just spit soda all over my keyboard image
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  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,377 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Why do these bidders go crazy for these types of auctions?

    Why do these coin collectors always think that there's a 'hidden' treasure around every corner?

    I believe the truth is: if these coins were that good, then the owner would have them slabbed and put them in a high profile auction for sale.

    "Gold is money, and nothing else" (JP Morgan, 1912)

    "“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)

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  • fcfc Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭
    heck guys, whoever thinks that coin is BU is seeing what they
    want to see.

    even with those crappy pics i can tell the coin has problems and
    the winner will be disappointed.

    grade from a pic?, sure can. i grade it disappointment.
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,572 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>This is the feedback I like the most. Funny thing he should post that.

    Neutral feedback rating COIN BETTER IN SCAN THAN IN PERSON !

    centsles ( 32157 [Feedback score is 25,000 to 49,999] )
    Oct-09-07 10:20
    1894-S Barber Quarter FDC Unc Pristine - Among the Best (#230170277740) US $1,576.51 >>



    Looks like someone got caught in the same type of trap they set image

    ``https://ebay.us/m/KxolR5

  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Sooner or later this seller will start piling up negs.

    Russ, NCNE
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  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,109 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I still can't believe the prices these coins are closing at -- even if shilling is involved, you still need stupid bidders to shill up, and there seems to be no shortage of stupid bidders on these.
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  • pharmerpharmer Posts: 8,355 ✭


    << <i>4 weeks ago when this clown started his FDC listings everyone here thought 'new stuff' on the market.

    Well the first thing p[opped into mind- why not have it slabbed and authenticated as genuine and attach a grade to it!

    lo and behold- this person is selling coins FDC i might add at moon money-

    and now some have come out of the closet

    I saw these coins 3 years ago- same place- different seller (now)- it's bull sh*iT and we as a collecting group can't slow it down- no matter what we say.

    I posted 16 questions to this clown- on 16 different items he had- no response whatsoevere.

    Is he lame/a thief/ someone who can't wait to be caught and can hide?

    I'm guessing he fits #2 & 3...

    I hate being brutally honest. >>



    I hate being confused. Which are 2 and 3? You sound like you know more about this than you are saying. Please be clear. Out of what closet? To sum it up: huh?
    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."

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  • options26options26 Posts: 1,431


    << <i>Sooner or later this seller will start piling up negs.

    Russ, NCNE >>



    Yeah, but $250k later I doubt he will care. Then will just start another user name from scratch with a new grandfathers coins.

    I can't find it, but the description, pics etc, look very similar to another discussion we had up here about another ebayer about a year ago.
    Life member of the SSDC
  • ccmorganccmorgan Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Sooner or later this seller will start piling up negs.

    Russ, NCNE >>


    But long after his bank account is past the FDIC limit.
    Love the 1885-CC Morgan
  • jmj3esqjmj3esq Posts: 5,421 ✭
    He is the new "hsturn".

    I also think the date, especially the 6, looks odd.
  • PQMorgansPQMorgans Posts: 727 ✭
    I won 2 morgans from him early on. One was off some on the color from the picture but I had an old moniter, it was a toner both sides. They can be tough to photograph. I wrote him and he refunded my money for the one I was not 100 percent happy with. No problem at all. The other was better then pictures. It was an easy transaction. Now it was a lot less money then this is going for, but I love the coin. I would have bought more but I have Bust Fever !!!! When it came down to one of his or a Bustie..I bought the Bustie. Even if an auction states no refund or no paypal I write, you would be amazed at how many will offer a refund because you write 1st. Some just do not list it in the auction, but it may be available if you write.
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  • seatedcollectorseatedcollector Posts: 976 ✭
    did anyone else notice the difference in the fold above the first 1 in the date ? isnt that one way to tell a genuine 16 quarter even with no date ?
  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭
    PQMorgans: So which state in the "Great Midwest" is this seller from?

    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
  • PQMorgansPQMorgans Posts: 727 ✭
    Lee, not really sure, I dispose of all packing and paperwork of a buy when I am satisfied the transaction is done, all names and address get schredded.one can't be to carefull. I do think it was in the midwest. Wish I could remeber but I have bough a lot from midwest area.
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  • holeinone1972holeinone1972 Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭
    I think you guys are paranoid.

    It ONLY sold for $10,000.00

    Cut the guy some slack. LOL

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