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bstat1020bstat1020 Posts: 2,157 ✭✭
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OK, I was not going to post this until after he had a chance to respond, but after reading some old threads and comments by others I am telling all.

I responded to a post on the BST forum by Phillster. He needed some circulated coins, and I had quite a few Lincoln Wheats that he needed. So we worked out a deal. I sent him 44 Lincoln Wheats in AG and G that he needed. It took me an hour or so to look thru the random wheats I have to get the dates. And he was to send me 2 Franklins one in VF and one in XF. A 2006D nickel, and any random silver Washington. The Franklins came G at best, the 2006D nickel had a bunch of sticky stuff on it and the silver Washington was not even there. Please see PM I sent him earlier today. He has yet to respond.

I know others have had problems with him. Please let me and others know if you agree with me.

Phil,

I recevied the coins today in the mail.

I have to say that I am very disappointed. The Franklins "1954 (VF20) and 1952D (EF40)" are not even close to what you described. The 54 is G4 at best. In order for a Franklin to be VF20 at least half of the lower and upper incused bell lines on the rim of the bell must show. The lines are not even there. There is no detail to the bell at all, it is completely worn flat. The 52D is G4 at best as well. In order for a Frankllin to be EF40 there will be just a little wear on the curls of Franklin and the reverse the Liberty Bell will show just a touch of wear at the top of the bell. Again the curls on the obverse of the coin show a lot of wear, and the bell on the reverse is completely worn flat.

The 2006D Jefferson has a big glob of green sticky stuff on it, and the silver Washington quarter was not even in the envelope.

The way I see it is that you sent me about $3.00 worth of coins sent regular mail for 58 cents. Do you think this is fair for the almost full roll of Wheat cents I sent you? Wheat cents I picked thru to get you the dates you wanted, Wheat cents worth about $10.00, and shipping of about $9.00. Do you really think that is fair? My $19.00 vs. your $3.58?

I fully expect that you will make this right? Please PM me back and let me know your intentions on this complaint that I have.

Brian



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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    You just sent the PM today, and you're already posting this?

    Russ, NCNE
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  • TorinoCobra71TorinoCobra71 Posts: 8,063 ✭✭✭
    dang! That SUX! I hope they FIX the situation!

    TC71
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  • FairlanemanFairlaneman Posts: 10,426 ✭✭✭✭✭
    He appears to be on the forums right now. Try another PM.

    Ken
  • bstat1020bstat1020 Posts: 2,157 ✭✭
    Russ,

    Please see my first sentence of the post.

    Ken,

    He must have got back off, because he is not on right now.
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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Russ,

    Please see my first sentence of the post. >>



    I read your first sentence, as well as all the other sentences.

    Russ, NCNE
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  • ldhairldhair Posts: 7,354 ✭✭✭✭✭
    May I ask what you feel the loss is on this deal as it stands?


    Larry

  • mrearlygoldmrearlygold Posts: 17,858 ✭✭✭

    Coin's for sale/trade.


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  • goose3goose3 Posts: 11,471 ✭✭✭
    what were the dates of the 44 AG/G wheat cents?

    I think the thread is a bit premature.
  • bstat1020bstat1020 Posts: 2,157 ✭✭
    Well, that should explain why I am posting this after just Pming him today as your question asks.

    Thanks,

    Brian
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  • REALGATORREALGATOR Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I always try to take decent photos when offering something online - and demand as much from the other side of the deal. Since this is low dollar material I understand that may not be worth the effort. Anyway, give Philburt a chance to make it right. If that doesnt work then feel free to trash him somemore.

    AG/G wheaties in the teen and 20's I guess are worth about a dime a piece on average? Not exactly the motherlode....
  • poorguypoorguy Posts: 4,317 ✭
    If he hasn't responded to your complaint after less than 24 hours and you are upset (aside from the quality of the coins he sent you), you might want to give it 48 hours and see what happens via private coorespondence. Lashing out this quickly about the quality of coins I can see, and I'm sure that is the point of your post but you really should have given it a few days to see if you can work it out with them otherwise it looks like you're just trigger happy.
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  • zeus135zeus135 Posts: 1,043 ✭
    You seem to be a little impatient. You need to give him a chance to make good on YOUR deal, you have no control over other dealings he's had.

    Forget about what you've read by others: you PM'ed him just today, you should give him time to respond.
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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,946 ✭✭✭✭✭
    First off let me say that it's no fun to expect one thing and get another or nothing at all! That being said, I believe
    that you two did not do enough to establish the value of the coins or the grades of the coins. I would say you
    both have a bunch of blame.
    He should have at least sent what you agreed on. yep.
    You have a right to btch on that one. But, now do you really think that wheaties are really worth 22 cents each?
    And you spent $9 to send $10 worth of cents??? How rediculous is that?
    What it comes down to is that you guys did not get what you thought you ageed upon. You got a bunch of undergraded
    or missing coins and he got a bunch of overpriced wheaties. Not a good deal either way.
    I think you chaulk this one up to experience and get on with life.
    You ratted you both out with this thread.
    bob
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  • ChrisRxChrisRx Posts: 5,619 ✭✭✭✭
    I am with bstat on this issue. "Philster" should have come thru to begin with.
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  • FatManFatMan Posts: 8,977 ✭
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  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Less than what it costs to grade a coin. And it's get the rope and hang'm high.

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  • pharmerpharmer Posts: 8,355 ✭
    Handle it however you want, bstat, no one else is in your shoes here.
    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."

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  • bstat1020bstat1020 Posts: 2,157 ✭✭
    Some of you think I am impatient or this thread is too quick. Please read some thread history before deciding this is too quick because it has happened before. Search is name in the search engine on this site and you will see. Maybe I should have waited, maybe not. Maybe if I waited someone here could have been took for a lot more than I did in this meaningless trade.
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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I am with bstat on this issue. "Philster" should have come thru to begin with. >>



    Of course he should have come through. I just think it's way too soon to be posting a public gripe.

    Russ, NCNE
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  • FletcherFletcher Posts: 3,294 ✭


    << <i>You just sent the PM today, and you're already posting this?

    Russ, NCNE >>



    There is no need to wait until he responds to out him. If your facts are correct, you kept up your end of the bargain and he did not. If he wants to contest what you have to say, he can do so. If he chooses to remain silent, we can draw our own conclusions based on the information that you have provided.

    I am not surprised that Russ is jumping on you ... he likes to defend deadbeats and thieves.

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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I am not surprised that Russ is jumping on you ... he likes to defend deadbeats and thieves. >>



    Drop dead, Fletcher.

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  • bstat1020bstat1020 Posts: 2,157 ✭✭
    AUandAG,

    We exchanged 44 private messages to figure out the details of this trade. He established the price on the wheats and his coins. I agreed.

    We both knew exactly what we were trading and prices established for both.

    As far as the shipping goes it was priority from IL to FL at his request. I thought it was ridiculous as well.

    Thanks for your comments.
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  • HELLOHELLO Posts: 16
    You can't trust anyone these days
  • pharmerpharmer Posts: 8,355 ✭


    << <i>You can't trust anyone these days >>



    Tell me about it. I was all gung-ho for Ron Paul after hearing in this forum how great he is, then today a report comes out on all his earmarks aka pork projects in the budget. Then to top it off, he refuses to cast a vote on the bill so he can stay pure. Can you spell hippocrisy? Hypocrcy? Hiphopracy? I can't.
    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."

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  • ajiaajia Posts: 5,403 ✭✭✭
    Brian, quite a welcome back.
    Is this where you pay it forward? image

    Here's my take, of course 20/20 hindsight is always perfect.

    You should have read the old threads on Phillster before dealing with him.
    I have almost made some deals with him, but they never materialized. I think in the back of my head I just don't feel comfortable. Never for anything of much value, but I was around for the first rounds of the Phillster shenanigans.

    I understand wanting to make sure a trade makes it to the other member, but $9 shipping?
    I guess I'm cheap when it comes to mailing, I would have found another way, probably flat rate Priority with free delivery conf. (or ins. for another buck or so). Wouldn't be over $6 tops (still too much for me, but....).

    As far as values, he stiffed you out of what was promised.
    I wouldn't neccessarily put a price on the coins, just that a deal between 2 members was broken.
    Trust is now in question, if it wasn't before.

    I can't help but think Phillster is a kid.
    If not, he acts like one.

    JMO.

    PS-Welcome Back, it will get better.
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  • jobiwan115jobiwan115 Posts: 769
    It sounds as though Phillster has a history of conducting business like this, and if that's the case, this isn't premature, it's overdue. 44 PMs to hash out the deal, and this is how he holds up his end of the deal? I'm with bstat1020.
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  • billboatbillboat Posts: 2,260
    We are talking about a roll of AG to G wheaties ($10-generous-- plus shipping--sounds like the kind of coins I give away to members who want them) and two G-ish Frankies ($10 melt plus postage)--not to be rude but I don't see the problem--not that the Franklins were not misrepresented if they are as you described---but still a tad premature until you two work it out. I suggest you resolve your problems via PMs.

    Edit--OOPS! If you have exchanged 44 PMs over this it has for sure gone past the happy resolution point--hope you guys get it straight.
    Curmudgeon in waiting!
  • ajiaajia Posts: 5,403 ✭✭✭
    If Priority was at Philster's request, then he turns around and sends his 1st class! imageimage

    44 PM's to come to an agreement over silly coins?
    I don't know how many of you were around when Brian was a common fixture here, but I can tell you from experience that he is an easy person to trade with.
    Having read the threads about Phillster a few months ago, can't say I think the same about him.

    Outing him may seem premature to some, overdue to others.
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  • bstat1020bstat1020 Posts: 2,157 ✭✭
    Old thread

    Another old thread
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  • ChrisRxChrisRx Posts: 5,619 ✭✭✭✭
    You're doing the right thing bstat. If someone is incompetent to begin with, then they shouldn't be trading in the first place.

    Calm down there, Russell! (your friend 'Philster' deserves this!)
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  • ajiaajia Posts: 5,403 ✭✭✭
    Waiting for the other side of the story........
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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Old thread

    Another old thread >>



    There is nothing in either of those threads to indicate that he has ripped anybody off, only that he's an annoying flake.

    Russ, NCNE

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  • FletcherFletcher Posts: 3,294 ✭


    << <i>There is nothing in either of those threads to indicate that he has ripped anybody off, only that he's an annoying flake.

    Russ, NCNE >>



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  • TexasNationalsTexasNationals Posts: 3,837 ✭
    Tom Noe should invite you to dinner


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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,624 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I have a quarter, what year do you want ?

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  • AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭
    I would say live and learn. It is a total of about $16 you are out of, and I would live with that and just put it towards experience.

    AJ
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  • shmort6552shmort6552 Posts: 696
    I can only imagine if this involved coins that were worth more than a case of beer!!!!!!
  • ajiaajia Posts: 5,403 ✭✭✭
    There is nothing in either of those threads to indicate that he has ripped anybody off, only that he's an annoying flake.

    Russ, did we ever find out if ragtag completed the trade for the quarter?
    He sent a '37 for a '54-S.

    worked out a trade for my 1937 quarter. He supposedly sent me his 1954S quarter. But after 40 PMs back and forth it became annoying. And I hope he has sent my coin. One annoying thing was the trade was worked out on Sunday and he wanted to know if I had mailed it. Well post offices are closed Sunday. My guess is this is a kid. Poor guy. But who knows, maybe an adult. Whatever, just had to rant. It takes a lot of patience to eventually (maybe) help a newbie. Anyway the most I can lose is a quarter!

    If not, then Phillster did rip somebody off.
    Also shows his M.O., 40 PM's just to trade a couple of quarters!
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  • bstat1020bstat1020 Posts: 2,157 ✭✭
    AJ,

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    Thanks, it will definitely be a lesson learned. I am glad it was only a small amount. One of the reasons for me posting this, is to make sure that does not happen at a higher dollar value. I wouldn't want to see any of you get ripped, even if you agree with me or not on this thread.

    Thanks,

    Brian
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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Russ, did we ever find out if ragtag completed the trade for the quarter?
    He sent a '37 for a '54-S.

    If not, then Phillster did rip somebody off. >>



    Since there is no answer to that question in either thread, it would be speculation that he ripped somebody off. So, again, neither of those threads demonstrate that he is a thief. They merely demonstrate that he's clueless.

    Russ, NCNE


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  • FletcherFletcher Posts: 3,294 ✭


    << <i>Since there is no answer to that question in either thread, it would be speculation that he ripped somebody off. So, again, neither of those threads demonstrate that he is a thief. They merely demonstrate that he's clueless.

    Russ, NCNE >>



    This thread demonstrates that he is indeed a thief ... and he has yet to present a defense or a justification for his actions.

    Russ, do you think that Brian is lying or are you simply a contrarian?

  • pendragon1998pendragon1998 Posts: 2,070 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Old thread

    Another old thread >>



    Yes, he is an annoying flake. Those old threads deserve to be quoted.

    After my irritating encounter with him via PMs I decided that we would not be trading then or in the future. After reading this thread, I see that I made a good decision. This is exactly the sort of situation that I expected I would end up in if I traded anything with Phillster.

    Good luck getting (a) your coins back or (b) a fair shake from him.



    How much do you want to bet that in a month or so after this blows over, we'll see another post in the B/S/T boards screaming:



    << <i>These are all the coins that i still need:

    LINCOLN CENTS:
    1909 V.D.B., 1909S V.D.B., 1909, 1909S, 1910, 1910S, 1911, 1911D, 1911S, 1912, 1912D, 1912S, 1913, 1913D, 1913S, 1914, 1914D, 1914S, 1915, 1915D, 1915S, 1916, 1916D, 1916S, 1917, 1917D, 1917S, 1918D, 1918S, 1919, 1919D, 1919S, 1920D, 1920S, 1921, 1921S, 1922, 1922D, 1923, 1923S, 1924D, 1924S, 1925, 1915D, 1925S, 1926D, 1926S, 1927, 1927D, 1927S, 1928, 1928D, 1928S, 1929, 1929D, 1929S, 1930, 1930D, 1930S, 1931, 1931D, 1931S, 1932, 1932D, 1933, 1933D, 1934, 1935D, 1935S, 1936, 1936D, 1936S, 1937D, 1937S, 1938D, 1938S, 1939S, 1940S, 1942S, 1944S, 1947S, 1948S, 1949S, 1950S, 1951S, 1954S, 1955S 1959

    <snip>

    FRANKLIN HALF DOLLARS:
    1948, 1948D, 1949, 1949D, 1949S, 1950, 1950D, 1952S, 1953, 1953D, 1953S, 1954S, 1955, 1956, 1958, 1958D, 1959, 1959D, 1960, 1960D >>







    ...........I hope that every time this joker posts a want thread, someone takes the time to post a link to this thread in it.




    grr
  • bstat1020bstat1020 Posts: 2,157 ✭✭
    I know Victor(raqtag), I will PM him and ask if he would mind putting his two cents in and find out if he did get ripped off or not.

    Thanks, Brian
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  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have a 2006-D Nickel do you want it AU in a holder MS-65 or 66 Full steep or not or would you like it raw.imageimage


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  • bstat1020bstat1020 Posts: 2,157 ✭✭
    I would love to have one of those raw please. Please no green sticky glob on the coin! PM me and we can figure it out.
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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,624 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Brian, seriously
    PM me...

    I bought a hoard with over 12,000 coins in it a year and a half ago. 100 pounds of silver and copper. It blows on ebay, so if you have some missing pieces and feel screwed by the guy, let me know. I'll go dig them out of the safe deposit box and help you.

    I only laugh because in my business, there is one particular fellow who's owed me almost fifty grand for 5 yrs. I have another customer who screwed us out of 20 grand. People are thieves, liars, and cheats. It's not a nice world out there or in here. Some people will screw you out of a nickel plus postage, while some big shots will screw you and your children out of dinner for months.
    I'll help you if you are cheated and I'm able.


    Joe

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  • ElmerFusterpuckElmerFusterpuck Posts: 4,808 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I take it that Phillster is not in the Circle of Trust around here. image

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  • BRdudeBRdude Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭
    The guy does seem like a flake, but trading is trading. I know he didn't live up to his end, but he shipped, you shipped, and ya got $10 worth of silver. Pretty cheap lesson learned I think. Hope he works it out with you Brian....
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  • bstat1020bstat1020 Posts: 2,157 ✭✭
    Thanks Kory.
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  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I take it that Phillster is not in the Circle of Trust around here. image >>

    Did he try to milk Jinxie. image


    Hoard the keys.

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