<< <i>I wonder what happend to Phil? He was a little high strung but he was fun to have around. He has a a lot of awesome cards in his set including the one and only Blyleven 10.. >>
John how are you, it's been a long time! I didn't keep in contact with Phil, I would be curious what his set is like now. Downgoesfrazier was a memorable handle.
As far as the unopened, it certainly seems to be down to the ending from what you guys are saying. The first time around 8/9 was a strong set as most including myself didn't think with (1) 10 in 6,000 that even 25% a set would happen in that grade...ever. So to see 3,000+ 10s is amazing to me. Henry's set seems all the more remarkable to me regardless though as I know how tough these are. In those days I hit 9s, but I never got a 10 on any submission of 77s obviously. I have hit 70s 10s otherwise, just never this set, haha....frustrating so it makes me ponder if I should "stay raw" and complete that instead because I might be in majority 8 mode. What do you guys think the valuation of a largely 8 set might do over the next ten years?
The Garvey's I would send in the strongest one's yes. 14 Rose did I read? All 10s? Wow...again remarkable. >>
I wish. No, I have 14 Roses in 9, only one 10. That sounds good. My only thought around sending them all in is that maybe ONE will really standout from the others to the grader and he will bump it..... I have a couple of the Garveys that look absolutely flawless to me, lacking the common ink line running from the left and the blue print dot. >>
14 9s is still awesome man, haha. I have to think with the Garveys...if it's me a no brainer I send them. Try to get two 10s so you can sell or trade one, haha.
Here are the number of 9s: 2009 = 17558 2011 = 21023 2012 =22649 2013 = 24211 As stated, you can pick up a substantial percent of the set in 9 at a reasonable cost (probably 50-70%). After that it becomes increasingly challenging. Therefore, you need to do homework and learn which cards are htf. there are 50-70 whose pops haven't budged since 2008.
Let me give you one example: 657 Mick Kelleher pop was 12 in 2009 in psa 9...today, still 12 (4 years not a single 9 graded!) VCP 2013 = 17.00 660 Willie Horton pop was 27 in 2009 in psa 9....today, 31 (only 4 graded in 4 years) VCP 2013 = 17.00 When these cards pop up, I would normally jump on them as a value buy...but the snipe better be appropriate because it is becoming harder to sneak by as more collectors enter. It is possible to find great deals still but they don't come around often because people are not grading these in high numbers. As an indicator, you do not even see 4SC offer large numbers of 77s anymore, and they haven't for 3-4 years (I know this because I have been a consistent buyer; searcher since 2006). Also, the main difference between 1977s and 1979s is that there are many more people building this set...look at the depth in the registry. My advice is to build consistently...the way it has worked for me for every year I have built (1970-79) is that I build slowly and then suddenly one or two people break their set and hola! I jump on the setbreak to fill large gaps. My 1970 set received a major bump this past winter in the Heritage auction and my 1971 was built on two major setbreaks about 3 years ago...between them it was one or two cards at a time. At the same time, I would build my raw set as a very long term hold for the day (maybe in 10 years) when it is lucrative to send in and sell 8s...that wont happen anytime soon IMO.
<< <i>Let me give you one example: 657 Mick Kelleher pop was 12 in 2009 in psa 9...today, still 12 (4 years not a single 9 graded!) VCP 2013 = 17.00 660 Willie Horton pop was 27 in 2009 in psa 9....today, 31 (only 4 graded in 4 years) VCP 2013 = 17.00 When these cards pop up, I would normally jump on them as a value buy...but the snipe better be appropriate because it is becoming harder to sneak by as more collectors enter. It is possible to find great deals still but they don't come around often because people are not grading these in high numbers. As an indicator, you do not even see 4SC offer large numbers of 77s anymore, and they haven't for 3-4 years (I know this because I have been a consistent buyer; searcher since 2006). Also, the main difference between 1977s and 1979s is that there are many more people building this set...look at the depth in the registry. My advice is to build consistently...the way it has worked for me for every year I have built (1970-79) is that I build slowly and then suddenly one or two people break their set and hola! I jump on the setbreak to fill large gaps. My 1970 set received a major bump this past winter in the Heritage auction and my 1971 was built on two major setbreaks about 3 years ago...between them it was one or two cards at a time. At the same time, I would build my raw set as a very long term hold for the day (maybe in 10 years) when it is lucrative to send in and sell 8s...that wont happen anytime soon IMO. >>
This is interesting. Do you have the Mick Kelleher stats overall? How many added above or below a 9 was there in the same stretch?
I think after careful thought, I will leave it as memories. Your feedback has been really a big help towards a decision. I am going to work on the raw set. If the situation changes, maybe I will enter the fray again another time. I wish all of you the best of luck with your sets, some amazing cards out there and thank you for sharing.
<< <i>I think after careful thought, I will leave it as memories. Your feedback has been really a big help towards a decision. I am going to work on the raw set. If the situation changes, maybe I will enter the fray again another time. I wish all of you the best of luck with your sets, some amazing cards out there and thank you for sharing. >>
Totally understand. I'm lucky to have a focus on a select few cards. I'd go nuts looking for Luebber or Candelaria in high grade. Ha Stay in touch and good luck to you as well!
Kurt, I am fine thanks. I hope you stick around. Does anyone have a nicely centered nm mt or PSA 8 Munson? I use the 3 border rule on 77's, left right bottom, should be the same size or close to it.
Thanks guys! I think the thread has plenty of life and I will lurk here and there!
John I double checked, my Munson was a 9 when the pop was much smaller and it was sold 10 years ago for a lot less than they go for now, haha. If I have more, I would think they are not of 8 quality...probably due to centering, but I can take a look tomorrow maybe as that will be a card I also need to rebuild a raw set. I see this out there in case you missed it...but I am the same and the t/b centering could be better of course than that one.
<< <i>Mile High in their June auction has a ton of 10's up . There are a couple I'd love to get . Maybe the card god's will be kind to me .---- Sonny >>
Do I see this right, all of the lots add up to 560 10's but no 9's? Did Czar only collect the 10's?
From what I can tell, 707 is the DOLLAR STORE compared to deans_cards. For what that guy charges, if I ever bought anything from him I would expect it to be delivered to me in a frickin' limo. ~WalterSobchak
I visited w frank last week. I won't go into the reasons he decided to sell his set, let's just say it wasn't as enjoyable as it once was. He knows he will be taking a loss but says its time to move on. That set certainly was one of the best around. I told him in years past to fill in his gaps with 9s, if he did he's have the #1 set by a mile. But he only wanted 10s I hope the auctions do well for him
The last 20% of any PSA set from any year in the 1970s is anything but enjoyable! LOL ...the one thing I have realized is that only the strong survive in the registry world. I agree that he should have filled the gaps with 9s - that would have been a great complete set. A perfect 10 1977 set is much harder than Hatch's 1978 IMO. I am glad that the sale is based on choice not need. Its too bad he gave up the chase - it was fun to watch.
<< <i>Nice card! No print flaws Matt is a PSA hound-dog...I don't know how you keep sniffing out great cards from the 70s. >>
An elderly couple in La Mirada, CA have been cleaning out their garage for over two years. I've been buying most of their stuff. Some has been average, some has been fantastic I'm still trying to pry a couple 75 mini sets from him. His wife told me those are the only ones he's not gonna let to
Quick question please for the collectors of this set (or those who've busted many packs from '77)... Do these cards vary in size right out of the pack? I have two cards from this set in the same grade, and one is slightly shorter t/b than the other. If I look closely (under magnification) at the edges, they all appear to have a slightly rough cut (although the top cut on both cards seems to be slightly smoother).
Thanks for any help.
cliff's notes: do 1977 Topps cards vary in size when pulled from a pack?
A weak 10 is right. I'd expect an 8 if submitting that card.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
I am so p*ssed even looking at that card - what is going on? That card is visibly O/C and has a visible tilt! Ridiculous grade - I usually put in a bid on the Bird anytime I catch one but I passed on this with extreme prejudice. Edit: on the other hand, the Seaver and Dawson 10s look fantastic! Let's see where those end up
<< <i>Why the outrage? I believe 10s can have centering that is not perfect. >>
No outrage, just an observation of fact. Chipping on right edge and less than ideal registration are also factors that should keep that card in 8-9 range at best.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
What kind of heresy is this!?!?!? ...are you suggesting the omnipotent graders employed by PSA could potentially grade a card a 10 that is really an 8 and vice versa? You mean the very standards in which this organization is built are wanting of more precise controls/measures?? What kind of madman could possibly make this assertion?!?!!?
On a personal note, glad to see others are putting their observations in writing …perhaps one day enough of us will demand through the power of our money spent, that PSA take their grading accuracy to the next level.
Before I list these on Ebay I figure I'd give you all a crack if you need them. I am selling some of my duplicate PSA 10s in order to try obtain some that I don't have but need.
All Graded PSA 10 Gem Mint
#500 Dave Kingman $225, pop 3 #420 Rusty Staub $200, pop 4 #30 Greg Luzinski, $75, pop 13 #301 Toby Harrah $100, pop 5 #521 Bob Grich $75, pop 8 (I have 2 of these for sale) #240 Ron Leflore $75, pop 9 I have 4 of these for sale)
I also have duplicates of every 1977 Topps All-Star card in PSA 9 and PSA 8s if any of you are interested. Just tell me what you need and make me an offer.
77 Topps All-Stars
Randy Jones Johnny Bench Steve Garvey Joe Morgan Pete Rose Dave Concepcion George Foster Greg Luzinski Dave Kingman
Mark Fidrych Thurman Munson Rod Carew Bobby Grich George Brett Toby Harrah Ron Leflore Fred Lynn Rusty Staub
PM me If interested. I can send pics too. Thanks! Bobby
Greetings Gents, It’s time for me to get out of the game. I have a ton of graded PSA cards but I wanted to bring the list below to your attention before I go to Ebay with them. I have all the following 1977 Topps cards in PSA 10 GEM MINT. Some of them are pretty tough to come by. LMK if you are interested. Thanks. Bobby
30 Greg Luzinski 70 Johnny Bench 100 Joe Morgan 120 Rod Carew 170 Thurman Munson 210 Fred Lynn 240 Ron Leflore 301 Toby Harrah 347 George Foster 420 Rusty Staub 450 Pete Rose 500 Dave Kingman 521 Bob Grich 550 Randy Jones 580 George Brett
@bobbybakeriv said:
What happened gents? We can not let the 77s die like this! I think I am getting back in.
Love the 77 Topps set. I busted half a box about 3 years ago and pulled a bunch of 9s and 10s. I need to resume this set, as well, if I can ever break away from the 75 minis long enough to do so.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
75 minis? Theyre minis for a reason! LOL Just kidding my friend. Those are way nice. I only picked the 77s because they were in there prime when I was 10 and I could possibly afford them. Not so much anymore, ha ha. I have a ton of raw saved up so who knows?
The All Star cards from 77 are awesome. That Munson is a beauty!
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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<< <i>I wonder what happend to Phil? He was a little high strung but he was fun to have around. He has a a lot of
awesome cards in his set including the one and only Blyleven 10.. >>
John how are you, it's been a long time! I didn't keep in contact with Phil, I would be curious what his set is like now. Downgoesfrazier was a memorable handle.
As far as the unopened, it certainly seems to be down to the ending from what you guys are saying. The first time around 8/9 was a strong set as most including myself didn't think with (1) 10 in 6,000 that even 25% a set would happen in that grade...ever. So to see 3,000+ 10s is amazing to me. Henry's set seems all the more remarkable to me regardless though as I know how tough these are. In those days I hit 9s, but I never got a 10 on any submission of 77s obviously. I have hit 70s 10s otherwise, just never this set, haha....frustrating so it makes me ponder if I should "stay raw" and complete that instead because I might be in majority 8 mode. What do you guys think the valuation of a largely 8 set might do over the next ten years?
The Garvey's I would send in the strongest one's yes. 14 Rose did I read? All 10s? Wow...again remarkable. >>
I wish. No, I have 14 Roses in 9, only one 10.
14 9s is still awesome man, haha. I have to think with the Garveys...if it's me a no brainer I send them. Try to get two 10s so you can sell or trade one, haha.
2009 = 17558
2011 = 21023
2012 =22649
2013 = 24211
As stated, you can pick up a substantial percent of the set in 9 at a reasonable cost (probably 50-70%). After that it becomes increasingly challenging. Therefore, you need to do homework and learn which cards are htf. there are 50-70 whose pops haven't budged since 2008.
657 Mick Kelleher pop was 12 in 2009 in psa 9...today, still 12 (4 years not a single 9 graded!) VCP 2013 = 17.00
660 Willie Horton pop was 27 in 2009 in psa 9....today, 31 (only 4 graded in 4 years) VCP 2013 = 17.00
When these cards pop up, I would normally jump on them as a value buy...but the snipe better be appropriate because it is becoming harder to sneak by as more collectors enter.
It is possible to find great deals still but they don't come around often because people are not grading these in high numbers. As an indicator, you do not even see 4SC offer large numbers of 77s anymore, and they haven't for 3-4 years (I know this because I have been a consistent buyer; searcher since 2006).
Also, the main difference between 1977s and 1979s is that there are many more people building this set...look at the depth in the registry.
My advice is to build consistently...the way it has worked for me for every year I have built (1970-79) is that I build slowly and then suddenly one or two people break their set and hola! I jump on the setbreak to fill large gaps.
My 1970 set received a major bump this past winter in the Heritage auction and my 1971 was built on two major setbreaks about 3 years ago...between them it was one or two cards at a time.
At the same time, I would build my raw set as a very long term hold for the day (maybe in 10 years) when it is lucrative to send in and sell 8s...that wont happen anytime soon IMO.
<< <i>Let me give you one example:
657 Mick Kelleher pop was 12 in 2009 in psa 9...today, still 12 (4 years not a single 9 graded!) VCP 2013 = 17.00
660 Willie Horton pop was 27 in 2009 in psa 9....today, 31 (only 4 graded in 4 years) VCP 2013 = 17.00
When these cards pop up, I would normally jump on them as a value buy...but the snipe better be appropriate because it is becoming harder to sneak by as more collectors enter.
It is possible to find great deals still but they don't come around often because people are not grading these in high numbers. As an indicator, you do not even see 4SC offer large numbers of 77s anymore, and they haven't for 3-4 years (I know this because I have been a consistent buyer; searcher since 2006).
Also, the main difference between 1977s and 1979s is that there are many more people building this set...look at the depth in the registry.
My advice is to build consistently...the way it has worked for me for every year I have built (1970-79) is that I build slowly and then suddenly one or two people break their set and hola! I jump on the setbreak to fill large gaps.
My 1970 set received a major bump this past winter in the Heritage auction and my 1971 was built on two major setbreaks about 3 years ago...between them it was one or two cards at a time.
At the same time, I would build my raw set as a very long term hold for the day (maybe in 10 years) when it is lucrative to send in and sell 8s...that wont happen anytime soon IMO. >>
This is interesting. Do you have the Mick Kelleher stats overall? How many added above or below a 9 was there in the same stretch?
<< <i>I think after careful thought, I will leave it as memories. Your feedback has been really a big help towards a decision. I am going to work on the raw set. If the situation changes, maybe I will enter the fray again another time. I wish all of you the best of luck with your sets, some amazing cards out there and thank you for sharing. >>
Totally understand. I'm lucky to have a focus on a select few cards. I'd go nuts looking for Luebber or Candelaria in high grade. Ha Stay in touch and good luck to you as well!
Munson? I use the 3 border rule on 77's, left right bottom, should be the same size or close to it.
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John I double checked, my Munson was a 9 when the pop was much smaller and it was sold 10 years ago for a lot less than they go for now, haha. If I have more, I would think they are not of 8 quality...probably due to centering, but I can take a look tomorrow maybe as that will be a card I also need to rebuild a raw set. I see this out there in case you missed it...but I am the same and the t/b centering could be better of course than that one.
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<< <i>Mile High in their June auction has a ton of 10's up . There are a couple I'd love to get . Maybe the card god's will be kind to me .---- Sonny >>
Thanks Sonny! Great 77s.
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~WalterSobchak
<< <i>Do I see this right, all of the lots add up to 560 10's but no 9's? Did Czar only collect the 10's? >>
Well, his goal was to do the entire set in 10. I am sure he has plenty of 9s. Not sure what he did with them....
I won't go into the reasons he decided to sell his set, let's just say it wasn't as enjoyable as it once was.
He knows he will be taking a loss but says its time to move on.
That set certainly was one of the best around.
I told him in years past to fill in his gaps with 9s, if he did he's have the #1 set by a mile.
But he only wanted 10s
I hope the auctions do well for him
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Matt is a PSA hound-dog...I don't know how you keep sniffing out great cards from the 70s.
<< <i>Nice card! No print flaws
Matt is a PSA hound-dog...I don't know how you keep sniffing out great cards from the 70s. >>
An elderly couple in La Mirada, CA have been cleaning out their garage for over two years.
I've been buying most of their stuff.
Some has been average, some has been fantastic
I'm still trying to pry a couple 75 mini sets from him. His wife told me those are the only ones he's not gonna let to
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<< <i>Nice card! No print flaws
Matt is a PSA hound-dog...I don't know how you keep sniffing out great cards from the 70s. >>
I'm still trying to pry a couple 75 mini sets from him. His wife told me those are the only ones he's not gonna let to >>
Now that is legit! lol once a mini lover always a mini lover!
Thanks for any help.
cliff's notes: do 1977 Topps cards vary in size when pulled from a pack?
Link to Cardfacts page on the 1977 Fidrych
http://www.psacard.com/PSASetRegistry/Composite.aspx?c=913
Erik
Just got 45-day poppage in 2 days and this little beauty was mixed in (the rest were 9s):
22048894 GEM MINT 10 1977 TOPPS 218 JOHN WATHAN Card
To my knowledge, this is the first PSA 10.
Justin
Retired - Eddie Mathews Master Registry Set (96.36%) Rank 1
Justin
Retired - Eddie Mathews Master Registry Set (96.36%) Rank 1
Card is now a pop 5.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Edit: on the other hand, the Seaver and Dawson 10s look fantastic! Let's see where those end up
<< <i>Why the outrage? I believe 10s can have centering that is not perfect. >>
No outrage, just an observation of fact. Chipping on right edge and less than ideal registration are also factors that should keep that card in 8-9 range at best.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
On a personal note, glad to see others are putting their observations in writing …perhaps one day enough of us will demand through the power of our money spent, that PSA take their grading accuracy to the next level.
Before I list these on Ebay I figure I'd give you all a crack if you need them. I am selling some of my duplicate PSA 10s in order to try obtain some that I don't have but need.
All Graded PSA 10 Gem Mint
#500 Dave Kingman $225, pop 3
#420 Rusty Staub $200, pop 4
#30 Greg Luzinski, $75, pop 13
#301 Toby Harrah $100, pop 5
#521 Bob Grich $75, pop 8 (I have 2 of these for sale)
#240 Ron Leflore $75, pop 9 I have 4 of these for sale)
I also have duplicates of every 1977 Topps All-Star card in PSA 9 and PSA 8s if any of you are interested. Just tell me what you need and make me an offer.
77 Topps All-Stars
Randy Jones
Johnny Bench
Steve Garvey
Joe Morgan
Pete Rose
Dave Concepcion
George Foster
Greg Luzinski
Dave Kingman
Mark Fidrych
Thurman Munson
Rod Carew
Bobby Grich
George Brett
Toby Harrah
Ron Leflore
Fred Lynn
Rusty Staub
PM me If interested. I can send pics too. Thanks! Bobby
30 Greg Luzinski
70 Johnny Bench
100 Joe Morgan
120 Rod Carew
170 Thurman Munson
210 Fred Lynn
240 Ron Leflore
301 Toby Harrah
347 George Foster
420 Rusty Staub
450 Pete Rose
500 Dave Kingman
521 Bob Grich
550 Randy Jones
580 George Brett
What happened gents? We can not let the 77s die like this!
I think I am getting back in.
Love the 77 Topps set. I busted half a box about 3 years ago and pulled a bunch of 9s and 10s. I need to resume this set, as well, if I can ever break away from the 75 minis long enough to do so.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
75 minis? Theyre minis for a reason! LOL Just kidding my friend. Those are way nice. I only picked the 77s because they were in there prime when I was 10 and I could possibly afford them. Not so much anymore, ha ha. I have a ton of raw saved up so who knows?
Their, not there. Ok, it was bothering me.
The All Star cards from 77 are awesome. That Munson is a beauty!
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.