You know, it's pretty funny to see the Yankee fans here stomping their feet and pouting - "But, our pitching staff is better than the Mariners pitching staff! It really is!" If that's your goal, then perhaps you have achieved it.
But, in reality - the Mariners staff does seems better than the Yanks, and at a mere fraction of the payroll. Felix is one of the best young pitchers in baseball, and the Yanks (or the Sox, for that matter) would kill for a prospect like him. Washburn was a nice signing, his ERA last season was well under 4, while pitching through some injuries. The rest of the staff you already read about - if the Yanks could swap their five starters for the M's five starters, they should do it in a heartbeat.
The Yanks added who? Ron something-or-other? Another Red Sox castoff (Myers)? Farnsworth, who choked away the playoffs for the Braves last season? Wow, pretty scary additions...
<< <i> But, in reality - the Mariners staff does seems better than the Yanks, and at a mere fraction of the payroll. Felix is one of the best young pitchers in baseball, and the Yanks (or the Sox, for that matter) would kill for a prospect like him. Washburn was a nice signing, his ERA last season was well under 4, while pitching through some injuries. The rest of the staff you already read about - if the Yanks could swap their five starters for the M's five starters, they should do it in a heartbeat. >>
My point exactly...even if they finish dead even in ERA and wins, which was the better staff? The M's, because they did it all for a tiny percentage of what it cost the yankees.
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The Yanks added who? Ron something-or-other? Another Red Sox castoff (Myers)? Farnsworth, who choked away the playoffs for the Braves last season? Wow, pretty scary additions... >>
Yeah every batter in the league is fearing the mighty yankee pitching rotation.
I stated that comparison with the Mariners because that is what is compared by other members. I have said all along that they Yanks could very well improve the starting roation. There are many teams who have a better rotation but I dont see that they are in absolute shambles like the Yankees haters want to suggest. Myers a Red Sox castoff? Myers appeared in nearly half the games for the Red Sox last year and very sucessfully....now that he is a Yankee you want to say he isnt any good. Rediculous. Red Sox fans should be upset that an effective left handed reliever was allowed to fly so easily.
Barry, you bet. The Yankee hater will never see any move they make as a good move. Myers is a castoff and Damon is declining. Alot of Sox fans are convinced they are still being led by a organized and capable group. Half of that championship team of two years ago is GONE. Don't think Manny will be Manny in Boston much longer either. The Red SOx will without a doubt sink farther and farther from competing with the Yankees. AT this point I would worry more about the Blue Jays ....
It always amazes me how much all these yankee haters love talking about the yankees. I know if I disliked a team they would be the furthest thing from my mind, and certainly not something worth spending hours every day arguing about.
"The other teams could make trouble for us if they win." -- Yogi Berra
spammy...quit piling on. If you can't come up with your own points then shut the hell up.
bri-who's alt ID are you again? and it's hardly spending hours every day arguing about the yankees...and let's not forget, there are yankee 'fans' who spend more time worrying about the red sox than the yanks...are they closet red sox fans?
softie and yankeeno-you'd have to be delusional to think the yankees have made good pitching moves this offseason. As much as you say red sox fans are blind in that damon and meyers are done, you are as blind in thinking these are moves the yankees needed to make.
Instead of going after quality starting pitching, the yankees felt it more important to get Damon and 'stick it' to the red sox. Yankee fans should be FURIOUS with the lack of attention being paid to the rotation, not jumping up and down in glee that you got Damon.
But then, yankee fans aren't concerned about little things like ERA or quality starts, as long as the yankees put up 10 a night, right boys?
You ACTUALLY think that the Yankees signed Damon only to stick it to the Red Sox??? You MUST be delusional.
I can see it now...if the Yankees would have signed Clemens, Burnett, and Millwood you would be saying "blah blah blah Centerfield/Leadoff hitter blah blah blah...."
Only one of the Yankees priorities was a centerfielder. Do you honestly think they are done? You think Cashman is blinded by the starting rotation? Winter isnt over with yet. Yankees have been working on priorities...centerfield and middle relief. Regardless of what you say, the bullpen is now stronger. Is it the best in the league? No, but definately stronger.
And if 10 runs per games is what it takes to win, then sure, I'll take it and I'll even smile about it!
Thats fine, we are talking stats compiled by the STARTERS of all 162 games regardless of who ends up getting the starts correct?
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Ax, did you miss the above question?
It does not compute in the Yankee hater head that centerfield AND leadoff were two huge holes on this team. To think the Yanks signed Damon primarily to "stick it" to the Sox is just crazy. Then the Yankee hater points to Damons arm, which is no worse than Bernie Williams arm ever was.
bri-who's alt ID are you again? and it's hardly spending hours every day arguing about the yankees...and let's not forget, there are yankee 'fans' who spend more time worrying about the red sox than the yanks...are they closet red sox fans?
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Ax, the Red Sox are a DIVISION FOE not to mention an ALL TIME FOE. Would you rather the Yankee fan talk about what the Rockies are doing
I just find it amusing that yankee fans allow themselves to root for someone who (as they say it) was the face of the enemy for years. I would think that if you were a real yankee fan, you'd say anyone but damon. But as we know you aren't really yankee fans. And sure, we can compile the staff ERAs of both the Yankees and Mariners, and the loser has to wear a signature of the winner for 2 weeks following the season.
And it's hypocritical to condemn someone for talking about the yankees because they are a 'hater', then run your mouth constantly about the red sox, trying to justify it as 'they're a rival!'
<< <i>I just find it amusing that yankee fans allow themselves to root for someone who (as they say it) was the face of the enemy for years. I would think that if you were a real yankee fan, you'd say anyone but damon. But as we know you aren't really yankee fans. And sure, we can compile the staff ERAs of both the Yankees and Mariners, and the loser has to wear a signature of the winner for 2 weeks following the season.
And it's hypocritical to condemn someone for talking about the yankees because they are a 'hater', then run your mouth constantly about the red sox, trying to justify it as 'they're a rival!'
Bad form, sir, bad form. >>
Ok, staff ERA's. That still a bit cloudy as the bullpen is a part of the pitching staff too. I assume we are going with starters only .....
Listen, the Sox are the Yankees biggest rival. Always have been, always will be even when both teams are horrible or one is good the other not. I find it alot more ridiculous that you as a Seattle Mariner fan spend at least 85% of your baseball discussion on the Yankees rather than the Mariners, Angles, Rangers, or A's. Whatever .....
I don't agree for a minute with this argument that there is no one running the ship in Boston - and that's why Damon wasn't resigned. Not true at all.
In fact, if Theo was still in Boston, the Yanks would have signed Damon in November. Theo believed in winning with younger players, and there is no way he would have given Damon a 4 year deal at this stage in his career.
Half the team that won in 2004 may be gone (not exactly, but whatever) but in order to remain competitive for 2006 and beyond, the Sox are getting younger. And, if we add Millwood, the pitching staff will be quite impressive. I guess you could try the Yankee way, and just buy and spend with no end in sight - but that hasn't worked so well lately, has it?
Also, did you see Mike Francesa last night (the world's most pompous Yankee fan hands down) on his Sunday night show? He couldn't believe all the hype around Damon switching teams, and said that his signing does not "shift the balance of power" at all to his Yanks. Damon is going to regret leaving a town where he was treated like a rock star, to going to a town where he is one of many "big name" players, and a town where the fans will turn on him in a heartbeat if he fails to put up big numbers.
Kevin Millwood is a decent pitcher but not an answer for any team. He has been plagued with elbow tendonitis and only made 25 starts last season. He also never made it through a full 7 innings at all last year. If a team signs Millwood, a very good bullpen is essential.
Sure, I'd rather have him on the Yanks over Jaret Wright or Aaron Small...but not an answer to any pitching staff.
Red Sox just may get him too...looks like an offer of either 3 or 4 years at 10 million a year. I think that would even be too rich for the Yankees considering he only made 7 million last year with only 25 starts. Patient teams seem to eat Millwood up. I'm just not sure if he is overrated or not.
If the Red Sox give Millwood 10 million a year I won't stop laughing .... ever. We will then hear how GREAT a signing it is and bla bla bla. If the Yankees signed him we would hear ALLLLLLLL about his problems that you just outlined Barry.
Red Sox fans especially bring up the amount of money the Yankees spend....when in fact they have the second highest salary in baseball! Do they think they are paying 97 players to create that amount? LOL Red Sox are not too far behind and is a weak arguement. Shouldnt the Red Sox fans know as well as any other that it takes more than money to put together a team to win the World Series?
Red Sox fans especially bring up the amount of money the Yankees spend....when in fact they have the second highest salary in baseball! Do they think they are paying 97 players to create that amount? LOL Red Sox are not too far behind and is a weak arguement. Shouldnt the Red Sox fans know as well as any other that it takes more than money to put together a team to win the World Series? >>
No they don't.
They bring up the horrible overpaid contracts the yankees dole out over and over and over.
There is a huge disparity between the Yanks payroll, and the Red Sox payroll (I don't know this years numbers of course, but last year it was approx $210 million for the Yanks, and $127 million for the Sox). The Yanks payroll is nearly double! And, the argument could be made that the Sox payroll is largely reactionary spending, just to try and compete with the Yanks massive spending. If the Yanks didn't spend $200+ million, the Sox wouldn't need to spend $100+ million.
<< <i>LOL...just when I think something intelligent may be said, again I am disappointed >>
I think you'd be used to idiotic ramblings what with all the yankee fans around you, and yankee talk radio, and your own inane ramblings, I wouldn't think you EVER hear anything intelligent, except here on these boards.
There is a huge disparity between the Yanks payroll, and the Red Sox payroll (I don't know this years numbers of course, but last year it was approx $210 million for the Yanks, and $127 million for the Sox). The Yanks payroll is nearly double! And, the argument could be made that the Sox payroll is largely reactionary spending, just to try and compete with the Yanks massive spending. If the Yanks didn't spend $200+ million, the Sox wouldn't need to spend $100+ million. >>
to funny! The point is CT, that the Red Sox spend MORE than ANY OTHER team BESIDES the Yankees. This can't get any more funny. The fan of the second highest payroll in all of the major leagues that STILL hangs on to the payroll crutch
<< <i> I think you'd be used to idiotic ramblings what with all the yankee fans around you, and yankee talk radio, and your own inane ramblings, I wouldn't think you EVER hear anything intelligent, except here on these boards. >>
ahhh, ax at his finest ! Ax, you are no different than any other NY hater.
Its just too bad your parents sperm was thrown around in the wrong place. Your inane ramblings about NY and its media mirror what you claim are the idiotic yankee fans.
Ut oh! Reports on MLB.com state that Millwood has agreed to terms with the Rangers!!! Guess the Red Sox will have to keep digging....and digging....and digging....
No doubt that Millwood came away confused with all of the talking heads "leading" the red Sox. That combined with the fact that he knows he is a 6 inning pitcher anymore and would drown in the cauldron of AL East baseball.
<< <i>No doubt that Millwood came away confused with all of the talking heads "leading" the red Sox. That combined with the fact that he knows he is a 6 inning pitcher anymore and would drown in the cauldron of AL East baseball. >>
As usual you know nothing of which you speak.
Were you involved with the trade talks? Do you know he was confused? Do you know how a negotiation takes place?
You're such a loudmouthed buffoon, it makes it clear to me that no one listens to you in person, so you feel the need to rant on and on so nonsensically here!
I think spammy is calling your name to crawl back under the bed with him...as you've 2 been SPANKED on these boards all weekend long.
I am certain the Boston front office aren't all that broken up about Damon going away. >>
Barry, just check out the above comment made earlier in the thread by Ax. Is it possible that Ax was "in" with Sox management during the Damon debacle?
I think they have WAAAAY overpaid for Millwood. The elbow problems (especially for 5 years!), the control problems, the fact that he didnt go a full 7 at all last year with 25 starts...I dont think its a good deal at all. I truely am surprised anyone wanted to give him more than 8 or 9 million a year.
There is a huge disparity between the Yanks payroll, and the Red Sox payroll (I don't know this years numbers of course, but last year it was approx $210 million for the Yanks, and $127 million for the Sox). The Yanks payroll is nearly double! And, the argument could be made that the Sox payroll is largely reactionary spending, just to try and compete with the Yanks massive spending. If the Yanks didn't spend $200+ million, the Sox wouldn't need to spend $100+ million. >>
to funny! The point is CT, that the Red Sox spend MORE than ANY OTHER team BESIDES the Yankees. This can't get any more funny. The fan of the second highest payroll in all of the major leagues that STILL hangs on to the payroll crutch >>
Soft - you are making my point. The Yanks spend more, far more, than any other team in MLB. Because the Sox are in the same division, what can they do? The Yanks have decided that this is how they will stay competitive - spend, spend, spend! The Sox have no choice but to keep up, to a certain extent. Simple as that.
<< <i>I am certain the Boston front office aren't all that broken up about Damon going away. >>
They are not. In fact, they have been planning for several replacement options for Damon for the last 2 months. Damon himself realized this, and mentioned it on his way out.
<< <i> Soft - you are making my point. The Yanks spend more, far more, than any other team in MLB. Because the Sox are in the same division, what can they do? The Yanks have decided that this is how they will stay competitive - spend, spend, spend! The Sox have no choice but to keep up, to a certain extent. Simple as that. >>
CT, the Yanks didn't "just decide" to operate the way they do. They have operated this way FOREVER.
Anyway, the Sox are better off not giving in to Millwood. THAT was a good decision.
<< <i> They are not. In fact, they have been planning for several replacement options for Damon for the last 2 months. Damon himself realized this, and mentioned it on his way out. >>
OK, give me some names. Who is just going to replace Johnny Damon?
Red Sox management doesnt seem to be too broken up about anyone who has left. I think that is because management is in a bit of state of confusion right now. Just a guess.
They have certainly left Varitek with a team that has a lot of work ahead of them to be successful in the AL East.
<< <i>Axhole, you dont have to care but show a little more class. You certainly do a good job defining yourself and it isnt very impressive. >>
Hell if you're looking for class you obviously are in the wrong place here...as your homie softie says, this place is a 'cesspool' (yet he can't stay away...fecal maniac he must be?)
The only cesspool here is the one your genes swim in. Hell, how else can you explain liking the yankees.
If it's such a cesspool here, I'll ask you the same thing I ask softie brained...why are you here? If it's so horrible you want to call it a cesspool, why visit?
Do us a favor and take a hike then, if that's how you feel about this forum.
Why the heck would the Cleveland Indians want to let Coco Crisp go to the Red Sox? He is only 26 years old and was the leader and catalyst of the Indians. IF the Red Sox could get Crisp he would be an adequate replacement for Damon. Is Crisp a Free Agent?
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But, in reality - the Mariners staff does seems better than the Yanks, and at a mere fraction of the payroll. Felix is one of the best young pitchers in baseball, and the Yanks (or the Sox, for that matter) would kill for a prospect like him. Washburn was a nice signing, his ERA last season was well under 4, while pitching through some injuries. The rest of the staff you already read about - if the Yanks could swap their five starters for the M's five starters, they should do it in a heartbeat.
The Yanks added who? Ron something-or-other? Another Red Sox castoff (Myers)? Farnsworth, who choked away the playoffs for the Braves last season? Wow, pretty scary additions...
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But, in reality - the Mariners staff does seems better than the Yanks, and at a mere fraction of the payroll. Felix is one of the best young pitchers in baseball, and the Yanks (or the Sox, for that matter) would kill for a prospect like him. Washburn was a nice signing, his ERA last season was well under 4, while pitching through some injuries. The rest of the staff you already read about - if the Yanks could swap their five starters for the M's five starters, they should do it in a heartbeat. >>
My point exactly...even if they finish dead even in ERA and wins, which was the better staff? The M's, because they did it all for a tiny percentage of what it cost the yankees.
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The Yanks added who? Ron something-or-other? Another Red Sox castoff (Myers)? Farnsworth, who choked away the playoffs for the Braves last season? Wow, pretty scary additions... >>
Yeah every batter in the league is fearing the mighty yankee pitching rotation.
Oops, was that sarcasm?
<< <i> I'm sorry, but comparing ERAs is the only fair stat to compare. >>
Thats fine, we are talking stats compiled by the STARTERS of all 162 games regardless of who ends up getting the starts correct?
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Myers a Red Sox castoff? Myers appeared in nearly half the games for the Red Sox last year and very sucessfully....now that he is a Yankee you want to say he isnt any good. Rediculous. Red Sox fans should be upset that an effective left handed reliever was allowed to fly so easily.
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bri2327, exactly!
I will take it one step further. Any winning New York team such as the New York Giants gets the 3rd degree.
spammy...quit piling on. If you can't come up with your own points then shut the hell up.
bri-who's alt ID are you again? and it's hardly spending hours every day arguing about the yankees...and let's not forget, there are yankee 'fans' who spend more time worrying about the red sox than the yanks...are they closet red sox fans?
softie and yankeeno-you'd have to be delusional to think the yankees have made good pitching moves this offseason. As much as you say red sox fans are blind in that damon and meyers are done, you are as blind in thinking these are moves the yankees needed to make.
Instead of going after quality starting pitching, the yankees felt it more important to get Damon and 'stick it' to the red sox. Yankee fans should be FURIOUS with the lack of attention being paid to the rotation, not jumping up and down in glee that you got Damon.
But then, yankee fans aren't concerned about little things like ERA or quality starts, as long as the yankees put up 10 a night, right boys?
I can see it now...if the Yankees would have signed Clemens, Burnett, and Millwood you would be saying "blah blah blah Centerfield/Leadoff hitter blah blah blah...."
Only one of the Yankees priorities was a centerfielder. Do you honestly think they are done? You think Cashman is blinded by the starting rotation? Winter isnt over with yet. Yankees have been working on priorities...centerfield and middle relief. Regardless of what you say, the bullpen is now stronger. Is it the best in the league? No, but definately stronger.
And if 10 runs per games is what it takes to win, then sure, I'll take it and I'll even smile about it!
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Ax, did you miss the above question?
It does not compute in the Yankee hater head that centerfield AND leadoff were two huge holes on this team. To think the Yanks signed Damon primarily to "stick it" to the Sox is just crazy. Then the Yankee hater points to Damons arm, which is no worse than Bernie Williams arm ever was.
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<< <i>First:
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bri-who's alt ID are you again? and it's hardly spending hours every day arguing about the yankees...and let's not forget, there are yankee 'fans' who spend more time worrying about the red sox than the yanks...are they closet red sox fans?
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Ax, the Red Sox are a DIVISION FOE not to mention an ALL TIME FOE. Would you rather the Yankee fan talk about what the Rockies are doing
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And it's hypocritical to condemn someone for talking about the yankees because they are a 'hater', then run your mouth constantly about the red sox, trying to justify it as 'they're a rival!'
Bad form, sir, bad form.
<< <i>I just find it amusing that yankee fans allow themselves to root for someone who (as they say it) was the face of the enemy for years. I would think that if you were a real yankee fan, you'd say anyone but damon. But as we know you aren't really yankee fans. And sure, we can compile the staff ERAs of both the Yankees and Mariners, and the loser has to wear a signature of the winner for 2 weeks following the season.
And it's hypocritical to condemn someone for talking about the yankees because they are a 'hater', then run your mouth constantly about the red sox, trying to justify it as 'they're a rival!'
Bad form, sir, bad form. >>
Ok, staff ERA's. That still a bit cloudy as the bullpen is a part of the pitching staff too. I assume we are going with starters only .....
Listen, the Sox are the Yankees biggest rival. Always have been, always will be even when both teams are horrible or one is good the other not. I find it alot more ridiculous that you as a Seattle Mariner fan spend at least 85% of your baseball discussion on the Yankees rather than the Mariners, Angles, Rangers, or A's. Whatever .....
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In fact, if Theo was still in Boston, the Yanks would have signed Damon in November. Theo believed in winning with younger players, and there is no way he would have given Damon a 4 year deal at this stage in his career.
Half the team that won in 2004 may be gone (not exactly, but whatever) but in order to remain competitive for 2006 and beyond, the Sox are getting younger. And, if we add Millwood, the pitching staff will be quite impressive. I guess you could try the Yankee way, and just buy and spend with no end in sight - but that hasn't worked so well lately, has it?
Also, did you see Mike Francesa last night (the world's most pompous Yankee fan hands down) on his Sunday night show? He couldn't believe all the hype around Damon switching teams, and said that his signing does not "shift the balance of power" at all to his Yanks. Damon is going to regret leaving a town where he was treated like a rock star, to going to a town where he is one of many "big name" players, and a town where the fans will turn on him in a heartbeat if he fails to put up big numbers.
Sure, I'd rather have him on the Yanks over Jaret Wright or Aaron Small...but not an answer to any pitching staff.
Red Sox just may get him too...looks like an offer of either 3 or 4 years at 10 million a year. I think that would even be too rich for the Yankees considering he only made 7 million last year with only 25 starts. Patient teams seem to eat Millwood up. I'm just not sure if he is overrated or not.
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Red Sox fans especially bring up the amount of money the Yankees spend....when in fact they have the second highest salary in baseball! Do they think they are paying 97 players to create that amount? LOL Red Sox are not too far behind and is a weak arguement. Shouldnt the Red Sox fans know as well as any other that it takes more than money to put together a team to win the World Series?
<< <i>No kidding!
Red Sox fans especially bring up the amount of money the Yankees spend....when in fact they have the second highest salary in baseball! Do they think they are paying 97 players to create that amount? LOL Red Sox are not too far behind and is a weak arguement. Shouldnt the Red Sox fans know as well as any other that it takes more than money to put together a team to win the World Series? >>
No they don't.
They bring up the horrible overpaid contracts the yankees dole out over and over and over.
There is a huge disparity between the Yanks payroll, and the Red Sox payroll (I don't know this years numbers of course, but last year it was approx $210 million for the Yanks, and $127 million for the Sox). The Yanks payroll is nearly double! And, the argument could be made that the Sox payroll is largely reactionary spending, just to try and compete with the Yanks massive spending. If the Yanks didn't spend $200+ million, the Sox wouldn't need to spend $100+ million.
<< <i>LOL...just when I think something intelligent may be said, again I am disappointed
I think you'd be used to idiotic ramblings what with all the yankee fans around you, and yankee talk radio, and your own inane ramblings, I wouldn't think you EVER hear anything intelligent, except here on these boards.
<< <i>Not this again -
There is a huge disparity between the Yanks payroll, and the Red Sox payroll (I don't know this years numbers of course, but last year it was approx $210 million for the Yanks, and $127 million for the Sox). The Yanks payroll is nearly double! And, the argument could be made that the Sox payroll is largely reactionary spending, just to try and compete with the Yanks massive spending. If the Yanks didn't spend $200+ million, the Sox wouldn't need to spend $100+ million. >>
to funny! The point is CT, that the Red Sox spend MORE than ANY OTHER team BESIDES the Yankees. This can't get any more funny. The fan of the second highest payroll in all of the major leagues that STILL hangs on to the payroll crutch
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<< <i> I think you'd be used to idiotic ramblings what with all the yankee fans around you, and yankee talk radio, and your own inane ramblings, I wouldn't think you EVER hear anything intelligent, except here on these boards. >>
ahhh, ax at his finest ! Ax, you are no different than any other NY hater.
Its just too bad your parents sperm was thrown around in the wrong place. Your inane ramblings about NY and its media mirror what you claim are the idiotic yankee fans.
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<< <i>No doubt that Millwood came away confused with all of the talking heads "leading" the red Sox. That combined with the fact that he knows he is a 6 inning pitcher anymore and would drown in the cauldron of AL East baseball. >>
As usual you know nothing of which you speak.
Were you involved with the trade talks? Do you know he was confused? Do you know how a negotiation takes place?
You're such a loudmouthed buffoon, it makes it clear to me that no one listens to you in person, so you feel the need to rant on and on so nonsensically here!
I think spammy is calling your name to crawl back under the bed with him...as you've 2 been SPANKED on these boards all weekend long.
I believe the Sox were unwilling to go past 3 years, and 10 million per (and rightly so).
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I am certain the Boston front office aren't all that broken up about Damon going away. >>
Barry, just check out the above comment made earlier in the thread by Ax. Is it possible that Ax was "in" with Sox management during the Damon debacle?
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<< <i>Not this again -
There is a huge disparity between the Yanks payroll, and the Red Sox payroll (I don't know this years numbers of course, but last year it was approx $210 million for the Yanks, and $127 million for the Sox). The Yanks payroll is nearly double! And, the argument could be made that the Sox payroll is largely reactionary spending, just to try and compete with the Yanks massive spending. If the Yanks didn't spend $200+ million, the Sox wouldn't need to spend $100+ million. >>
to funny! The point is CT, that the Red Sox spend MORE than ANY OTHER team BESIDES the Yankees. This can't get any more funny. The fan of the second highest payroll in all of the major leagues that STILL hangs on to the payroll crutch
Soft - you are making my point. The Yanks spend more, far more, than any other team in MLB. Because the Sox are in the same division, what can they do? The Yanks have decided that this is how they will stay competitive - spend, spend, spend! The Sox have no choice but to keep up, to a certain extent. Simple as that.
<< <i>I am certain the Boston front office aren't all that broken up about Damon going away. >>
They are not. In fact, they have been planning for several replacement options for Damon for the last 2 months. Damon himself realized this, and mentioned it on his way out.
<< <i> Soft - you are making my point. The Yanks spend more, far more, than any other team in MLB. Because the Sox are in the same division, what can they do? The Yanks have decided that this is how they will stay competitive - spend, spend, spend! The Sox have no choice but to keep up, to a certain extent. Simple as that. >>
CT, the Yanks didn't "just decide" to operate the way they do. They have operated this way FOREVER.
Anyway, the Sox are better off not giving in to Millwood. THAT was a good decision.
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<< <i> They are not. In fact, they have been planning for several replacement options for Damon for the last 2 months. Damon himself realized this, and mentioned it on his way out. >>
OK, give me some names. Who is just going to replace Johnny Damon?
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They have certainly left Varitek with a team that has a lot of work ahead of them to be successful in the AL East.
My personal opinion - I would love to see Torii Hunter in CF in Fenway.
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<< <i>Of course Axhole, you again have nothing to add to a good sports discussion other than your dilusional rambling about other board members. >>
oh did I hurt your feelings?
remind me where I care again?
<< <i>Axhole, you dont have to care but show a little more class. You certainly do a good job defining yourself and it isnt very impressive. >>
Hell if you're looking for class you obviously are in the wrong place here...as your homie softie says, this place is a 'cesspool' (yet he can't stay away...fecal maniac he must be?)
Is little tommy gonna cry?
Just keep swimming in your cesspool....
<< <i>Who's crying, nancy?
Just keep swimming in your cesspool.... >>
The only cesspool here is the one your genes swim in. Hell, how else can you explain liking the yankees.
If it's such a cesspool here, I'll ask you the same thing I ask softie brained...why are you here? If it's so horrible you want to call it a cesspool, why visit?
Do us a favor and take a hike then, if that's how you feel about this forum.
Why the heck would the Cleveland Indians want to let Coco Crisp go to the Red Sox? He is only 26 years old and was the leader and catalyst of the Indians. IF the Red Sox could get Crisp he would be an adequate replacement for Damon. Is Crisp a Free Agent?