As much as people dont want to admit, letting Damon slip through there fingers IS a bad move on the Red Sox part.
Red Sox didnt want to lose him. How much more obvious can that be? Now having lost him how can it not be a big deal....whether he became a Yankee or went to some other team?
The fact is that Damon is on a short list of decent center fielders. There is both good and bad with Damon but there is no arguement that he helps a ballclub.
I agree that Yanks need help with pitching. I cant stand the starting rotation. Mussina is ace, Randy Johnson is 50/50, Pavano doesnt even want to be there, Jaret Wright is another surgery waiting to happen. I think Chacon will be fairly effective. As for Small, I hope sharing duties with Sturtze will suit him. I would like to see Pavano traded and a halfway decent arm brought in the starting rotation.
I think the Red Sox are no better or no worse with their pitching staff...maybe a little better with Beckett there but they have taken other hits. Unfortunately for them, their field looks weak. Looks like the Blue Jays want their turn.
I dont think Yankees are looking for Damon to provide power...they want him on base. I do think they want Jeter out of the leadoff spot. Bringing in Damon to lead off will have a large affect on their lineup.
NHCardhunter is right...its not the end of the world for the Red Sox. But it IS unfortunate because of what Damon DOES bring, not for what he lacks. And he is not going to win the Yankees the pennant either.
And as a Yankees fan, I will be happy not to have us face Damon...he has always been a Yankee killer!
<< <i> The fact is that Damon is on a short list of decent center fielders. There is both good and bad with Damon but there is no arguement that he helps a ballclub.
I agree that Yanks need help with pitching. I cant stand the starting rotation. Mussina is ace, Randy Johnson is 50/50, Pavano doesnt even want to be there, Jaret Wright is another surgery waiting to happen. I think Chacon will be fairly effective. As for Small, I hope sharing duties with Sturtze will suit him. I would like to see Pavano traded and a halfway decent arm brought in the starting rotation.
And as a Yankees fan, I will be happy not to have us face Damon...he has always been a Yankee killer! >>
BRAVO! This signing can not be looked at any other way than a very good move. They needed a center fielder AND leadoff man in the worst way. They got both while hurting the Sox lineup at the same time.
<< <i> The fact is that Damon is on a short list of decent center fielders. There is both good and bad with Damon but there is no arguement that he helps a ballclub.
I agree that Yanks need help with pitching. I cant stand the starting rotation. Mussina is ace, Randy Johnson is 50/50, Pavano doesnt even want to be there, Jaret Wright is another surgery waiting to happen. I think Chacon will be fairly effective. As for Small, I hope sharing duties with Sturtze will suit him. I would like to see Pavano traded and a halfway decent arm brought in the starting rotation.
And as a Yankees fan, I will be happy not to have us face Damon...he has always been a Yankee killer! >>
BRAVO! This signing can not be looked at any other way than a very good move. They needed a center fielder AND leadoff man in the worst way. They got both while hurting the Sox lineup at the same time. >>
Well if we get Coco Crisp I think losing Damon may have ben a good thing. Also, Soft since your diggin up the past don't foget we gotta rid of Babe Ruth, Dennis eckersley, Lee Smith and a handful of others guys due to "management" issues.
Soft, I don't disagree that if Theo was still there, perhaps this doesn't happen. But, to me - it seems more like another one of those signings driven by King George's desire to "stick it" to the Sox at any cost. They overpaid for Damon (then again, who haven't they overpaid for?), and continue to stack their team like a fantasy baseball squad, one lacking in any sort of team chemistry. Pitching remains weak, I'd rank the Yanks starting staff 3rd behind Toronto and Boston right now if the season started today.
But, the season doesn't start today - and I still think the Sox will respond. Kevin Millwood? Lugo and Aubrey Huff? Who knows exactly, but I do know one thing - Damon will always regret this move. Maybe not right away, but when he finds himself in the middle of a bunch of selfish, soulless athletes like Giambi, Sheffield, and A-Rod who simply do not know how to win, he'll look back on being part of a team. All for $12 million bucks - what a shame.
<< <i>But, the season doesn't start today - and I still think the Sox will respond. Kevin Millwood? Lugo and Aubrey Huff? Who knows exactly, but I do know one thing - Damon will always regret this move. Maybe not right away, but when he finds himself in the middle of a bunch of selfish, soulless athletes like Giambi, Sheffield, and A-Rod who simply do not know how to win, he'll look back on being part of a team. All for $12 million bucks - what a shame. >>
selfish, souless athletes? com on on now CT. Maybe a little to much studying from the anti Yankee handbook?
anyway, this idea that the Yankees overpaid for Damon is a stretch. 13 million for a center fielder and one of the best leadoff hitters in the game? Especially with the crazy contracts given out this year before Damon? Nah, pretty good deal and say what you want about George, this does "stick it" to the Sox.
This was a BAD move by the yankees...they've done nothing to shore up a very, very shaky starting rotation, and the red sox did.
The Red Sox will finish the year with more wins than the spankees...but all the blinded yankee fanatics can scream is 'Damon's our savior!' instead of being able to objectively look at the dire straits the yankees pitching is in.
It's going to be another long, long year for your yankee fans (and I love it!)
This was a BAD move by the yankees...they've done nothing to shore up a very, very shaky starting rotation, and the red sox did.
The Red Sox will finish the year with more wins than the spankees...but all the blinded yankee fanatics can scream is 'Damon's our savior!' instead of being able to objectively look at the dire straits the yankees pitching is in.
It's going to be another long, long year for your yankee fans (and I love it!) >>
hey ax, like I offered before, put your money where your trap is.
And YOU, the Red Sox GM are "certain" how the Sox feel about this debacle?
softie I won't bet you because I am sure you're like stalin, a bet and a loss and you'll be reeling and whining and making excuses.
The GM has to say that they feel bad Damon got away, but if they truly wanted him around, they'd have offered him the $13 million per. They know he has a weak arm, he's 32, and he's among the best leadoff men in the game? I'm SURE you felt that way when he was with the sox.
I find it amusing that yankee fans are so blinded by this move that you can't see the yankees have acquired no pitching help, and that unit is going to be another year older (and another year of back tightness and troubles). I find it humorous that the yankee 'fans' are more enamored of 'sticking it' to the red sox nation than of their own team's pathetic pitching staff (and yes it is PATHETIC).
<< <i>softie I won't bet you because I am sure you're like stalin, a bet and a loss and you'll be reeling and whining and making excuses.
I find it humorous that the yankee 'fans' are more enamored of 'sticking it' to the red sox nation than of their own team's pathetic pitching staff (and yes it is PATHETIC). >>
#1. No bet? You are worried about me not paying? Nah, you know you would lose, AND you are a sissy mary
#2. Yankee pitching pathetic? well, certainly not as solid as recent Yankee staffs but pathetic? nope, jsut your biased view ax, nothing more.
COME ON, lets bet. Don't be such a nancy. I want to see you back up your biased line of bull$hit with your wallet or purse, whatever you carry around with you.
This was a BAD move by the yankees...they've done nothing to shore up a very, very shaky starting rotation, and the red sox did.
The Red Sox will finish the year with more wins than the spankees...but all the blinded yankee fanatics can scream is 'Damon's our savior!' instead of being able to objectively look at the dire straits the yankees pitching is in.
It's going to be another long, long year for your yankee fans (and I love it!) >>
To even suggest that adding Damon is a BAD move is just naive and an attempt to put down what the Yankees did. Would it have been a bad move for the Red Sox to resign him? Would it be a bad move if another team had picked him up? Of course not. He is an all star center fielder and fills two important spots the Yanks want to fill...a center fielder and a strong leadoff hitter. I dont hear anyone screaming that Damon is our savior...but we like what he brings.
I absolutely agree that the Yankees need to bolster their starting rotation. Lets not forget...there are still free agents out there and trades that can happen. It's not over yet folks. I wouldnt at all be surprised to see Pavano, Andy Phillips, Eric Duncan, Melky Cabrera and other minor leaguers traded if they dont sign a free agent. The Yanks have been taking care of their bullpen and happy with what they have done. I dont think for a second Brian Cashman hasnt thought about what he can do to improve the starting rotation.
<< <i>They know he has a weak arm, he's 32, and he's among the best leadoff men in the game? I'm SURE you felt that way when he was with the sox. >>
My point exactly. Yankee fans hated Damon until 2 days ago, and I don't mean hated just because he was on the Red Sox, but hated him because the feeling was he was overrated. Now that the Yanks have the spaghetti-armed CF for their very own rotisserie lineup, he is the best leadoff hitter in the game all of a sudden? Drink the kool-aid much?
I repeat, I am sad he left. But, the fact remains - it is not the end of the world for the Sox. The Yanks pitching stinks. All of that offense, and you will spend another season praying that Shawn Chacon and Aaron Small can get guys out. Getting to Rivera won't be the same either, as Kyle Farnsworth will be lit up on a nightly basis (mark this down). The Yanks will win games, of course - but the team seems even more than ever to be a collection of large-ego, selfish players who just want to cash large checks while mumbling the same crap about "pinstripe pride" and "Mr. Steinbrenner". Please.
Yes, I said Damon was the best leadoff hitter in the game...again, just to get some feathers ruffled. See how that works? LOL I know he isnt....but he is within the top 6 or 7 in the game. I dont think anyone truely thinks he is the best in the league.
As a Yankees fan, sure I hated Damon AS A RED SOX because he was a Yankee killer! That's more respect for what he does and not bashing him as a bad ballplayer. I think we can all admit that for all the runs opposing teams score off Damon because of his weak arm, defensively he also saves many runs because he covers a lot of ground...something that Yankee Stadium demands in center. I dont see anything negative for any team having Damon unless you have Andrew Jones! (for example)
I think Farnsworth and Myers will fit in nicely. These are not guys who will get lit up on any kind of regular basis. Dotel is a risk coming off Tommy John surgery but could end up being a force in the bullpen if he has an injury free season with little or no loss in his velocity and movement. I think its just all the on the Yankees haters wish list that these guys dont succeed.
Anyway, grabbing up Damon is a much better idea than keeping the steroid leftover the Mariners gobbled up in Matt Lawton.
instead of a monetary bet, how about a signature line bet? That way I won't get the 'I can't afford it!' excuse from you, since I know that you'd welch on the bet. How about we bet the yankees win the world series? They lose, I win...they win, you win. We have a whole season to set the rules of the sig line.
And I didn't say the Damon signing was bad, but it was ill-advised. Steinbrenner was so deadset on 'sticking' it to the red sox that he forget his pitching is ABYSMAL. The yankees didn't have any shortage of runs last year, so a weak armed center fielder who will help them score 6 a night instead of 5 isn't going to help when they give up 7 a game.
And yes their pitching is god awful. Team ERA was over 4.50, they had one pitcher with more than 15 wins (Unit, 17). Shawn Chacon and Aaron Small (??) are their supposed saviors, and they had just one starter with an ERA under 3.3.
Yeah, their pitching is PATHETIC (just like you softie, trying to say it's not that bad). And you call me BIASED?
Big yankee fan here, but that aside I defintely have to agree with Axtell and some of the others. They can have Damon leading off, then go out and get 2 more big time bats, and it still doesnt amount to much, their pitching is mediocre at best. Mussina is another yr older, and was always overrated. Unit is an overgrown cry baby who is older and broken down. Small was a great fill in when they needed him, but c'mon, the league will catch up to him this year big time. Chacon and Wang will be ok, but certainly not anything to cling pennant or world series hopes on. And their bullpen is an absolute disaster. Rivera is Rivera, but he isnt that young anymore, and other than him is there a person in the pen that can be truly counted on ?? I dont think so, as I am certain plenty of others will agree.
This all comes down to the Yankees forgetting what got them to the titles....PITCHING. Forget the bats, they had plenty of offense to win 120 games last year if they had even half the staff they had 6 or 7 years ago.
Just a side note about the White Sox. They were a true model of how a championship team is made, with an emphasis on TEAM. In many ways they reminded me of the 96 yanks, before all the "names" were brought in. They were an absolute pleasure to watch in the postseason, and although they received a fair share of attention from the east coast media, it wasnt nearly what they deserved.
"The other teams could make trouble for us if they win." -- Yogi Berra
instead of a monetary bet, how about a signature line bet? That way I won't get the 'I can't afford it!' excuse from you, since I know that you'd welch on the bet. How about we bet the yankees win the world series? They lose, I win...they win, you win. We have a whole season to set the rules of the sig line.
And I didn't say the Damon signing was bad, but it was ill-advised. Steinbrenner was so deadset on 'sticking' it to the red sox that he forget his pitching is ABYSMAL. The yankees didn't have any shortage of runs last year, so a weak armed center fielder who will help them score 6 a night instead of 5 isn't going to help when they give up 7 a game.
And yes their pitching is god awful. Team ERA was over 4.50, they had one pitcher with more than 15 wins (Unit, 17). Shawn Chacon and Aaron Small (??) are their supposed saviors, and they had just one starter with an ERA under 3.3.
Yeah, their pitching is PATHETIC (just like you softie, trying to say it's not that bad). And you call me BIASED?
Pot, meet kettle. >>
Ax, my reputation outside of this ridiculous forum I am sure is rock solid. You would have NO problems in me paying on any bet that I should lose. With that said, I did notice in another thread that you just bought a house. I am sure you are not settled on your budget yet and I respect that you don't want to go the monetary route. However, the drop dead bet on a World Series WIN is crazy for anybody to take. Lets do a over/under on total wins for the season like I first suggested with sig lines at stake like you suggested. We can hash out the details in PM's if you would like.
I can not get over how Red Sox fans are in denial and now they start bad mouthing Damon on how he has a bad throwing arm, he is aging, etc. If I was a Red Sox fan I would be very upset with one of the cogs of the Red Sox leaving. When the Yankees let Pettitte slip away I was. It hurts more when a favorite player goes to an archrival. I remember in 1998 when Bernie was in his prime and he was a Free Agent there was talk of Bernie signing in Boston. I would have been devastated but would always love the guy. How could you Red Sox fans bad mouth this guy so much after all that he has done for your franchise?
By, the way Michael Kay interviewed Damon after the press conference and Damon said that Varitek who is a close friend of Damon's is devastated with his departure.
<< <i>I can not get over how Red Sox fans are in denial and now they start bad mouthing Damon on how he has a bad throwing arm, he is aging, etc. >>
And I can't get over how much the yankees are already drinking the Damon koolaid, for years denying him as being a good player when he played for the red sox. It's just as hypocritical, no? Quit being a whining baby, and admit that the yankees didn't need another bat, and they sure as hell didn't need a gimpy armed outfielder.
<< <i>If I was a Red Sox fan I would be very upset with one of the cogs of the Red Sox leaving. When the Yankees let Pettitte slip away I was. It hurts more when a favorite player goes to an archrival. I remember in 1998 when Bernie was in his prime and he was a Free Agent there was talk of Bernie signing in Boston. I would have been devastated but would always love the guy. How could you Red Sox fans bad mouth this guy so much after all that he has done for your franchise?
By, the way Michael Kay interviewed Damon after the press conference and Damon said that Varitek who is a close friend of Damon's is devastated with his departure. >>
How much he did? let's not get overdramatic...he played a few years there, it's not like he was a lifer.
And let's not forget it was DAMON who gave up the team, not the other way around. Damon (just like every single one of Boras' clients) went for the max payday, instead of honoring the loyalty that Damon said was so important.
Damon's a low class sell out...he said in May it wasn't about the money, and he could never see himself playing in NY. Guess that was all a lie...and that $10 million a year wasn't enough to satisfy his lust for money and attention.
Well, I would like to see who the "mystery" team was who offered Damon 6 years and more money.....because apparently money was only part of it. Damon wanted a winner. He wasnt going to get that anywhere....especially a place like ohhhh...say Seattle?
And I can't get over how much the yankees are already drinking the Damon koolaid, for years denying him as being a good player when he played for the red sox. It's just as hypocritical, no?
No it is human nature but like I said if it were me and one of my favorite players left I would not be bad mouthing them. Been there. NO Done that. I have never had one of my favorite players go to the archrival Red Sox though. Throughout history it has always been a Star or Super Star Red Sox player going to the Yankees. I wonder why?
Quit being a whining baby, and admit that the yankees didn't need another bat, and they sure as hell didn't need a gimpy armed outfielder.
He doesn't have a great arm and I am the first to admit that but he is a great fielder with range. Also he is a great leadoff hitter. When asked at the Press Conference why he didn't have as many stolen bases last year Damon said there is no reason to steal when a team has the big boppers coming up but he said he can steal a lot more if he wanted to.
The more I realize what a hypocrite and liar Damon is, the less this signing bothers me. From May 1, 2005 - Damon says:
<< <i> "There's no way I can go play for the Yankees, but I know they are going to come after me hard," Damon said. "It's definitely not the most important thing to go out there for the top dollar, which the Yankees are going to offer me. It's not what I need."
Red Sox fans should (and justifiably so) be upset not because to red sox didn't resign Damon, but because he absolutely lied through his teeth about not wanting top dollar.
He's a hypocrite and a liar...hey, he should fit in with the yankees just fine!
We'll see how much love these yankee fans have for Damon if he doesn't produce...I suspect anything less than an MVP season will have yankee fans booing.
And yankee lovers, how in the hell can you welcome a bitter, bitter rival such as Damon so warmly? If I were a yankee fan (and thank god I'm not...I'd have to check myself into therapy if I were), there's no way in HELL I'd clap for Damon, root for Damon, and want him on my team. He was the face of the ENEMY for many years and the fact he so willingly switched sides shows he can (and will) do it again.
But then yankee fans are shallow people who know nothing of loyalty and care only about how many all stars they can accumulate. Too bad for them (well, not really) but this team WON'T win the world series, either.
<< <i>Red Sox fans should (and justifiably so) be upset not because to red sox didn't resign Damon, but because he absolutely lied through his teeth about not wanting top dollar.
He's a hypocrite and a liar...hey, he should fit in with the yankees just fine!
We'll see how much love these yankee fans have for Damon if he doesn't produce...I suspect anything less than an MVP season will have yankee fans booing.
And yankee lovers, how in the hell can you welcome a bitter, bitter rival such as Damon so warmly? If I were a yankee fan (and thank god I'm not...I'd have to check myself into therapy if I were), there's no way in HELL I'd clap for Damon, root for Damon, and want him on my team. He was the face of the ENEMY for many years and the fact he so willingly switched sides shows he can (and will) do it again.
But then yankee fans are shallow people who know nothing of loyalty and care only about how many all stars they can accumulate. Too bad for them (well, not really) but this team WON'T win the world series, either. >>
stop your loyalty crusade already Your little vision of players with extreme devotion throughout an entire career ended YEARS ago, in every sport! As a matter of fact, one of the only teams WITH players like what you want ax ARE THE YANKEES. Jeter, Williams, Rivera you will NEVER see in another uniform.
GO ahead and bash Johnny Damon for seeing the Sox for what they are, a team that continues to tear apart the core of its championship team, constantly dangles trade rumors with Ramirez (who wants out of that zoo anyway), and has ZERO organization at the top levels of leadership.
What is up with the Yankees and their pitching staff? Have they upgraded at all this offseason? Will they wast ridiculas amounts of money on another Kevin Brown?
<< <i>What is up with the Yankees and their pitching staff? Have they upgraded at all this offseason? Will they wast ridiculas amounts of money on another Kevin Brown? >>
Don't bother asking clueless questions like this and then chime in on any other baseball thread spouting like you know what you are talking about It would take less effort to research any teams moves this off season then to ask a ridiculous question like that
BUT, it is the holidays so niceness abounds!
The Yankees signed Ron Villone, Kyle Farnsworth, and Mike Myers for the bullpen
Starters are any mix of Randy Johnson, Mike Mussina, Chien Ming Wang, Carl Pavano, Shawn Chacon, Jaret Wright, Aaron Small
Ax, before you go off on these Yankee starters, please critique the fives SAPS the mariners will be trotting out everyday
<< <i> The Yankees signed Ron Villone, Kyle Farnsworth, and Mike Myers for the bullpen >>
hahahaha and these guys are supposed to make the team better? Unlimited payroll and THIS is the best the yanks can come up with! Pathetic!
<< <i> Starters are any mix of Randy Johnson, Mike Mussina, Chien Ming Wang, Carl Pavano, Shawn Chacon, Jaret Wright, Aaron Small >>
Oooh a gimpy, 43 year old big unit who gave up the most HRs in the bigs last year. Mussina, who's best days are behind him, but this sorry staffs best starter. Wang, who's already had injury problems and missed considerable time (and wasn't all that effective). Pavano? Does he still pitch? I bet he knows the ins and outs of the disabled list process in his sleep. Chacon? A career 4.50 something pitcher? You're hanging your hat on THAT guy? Jaret Wright? Can you say Jaret WRONG? Talk about pulling the wool over steinny's eyes. Aaron Small? yawn.
These guys are the best a team with no ceiling to payroll can do? There were plenty of pitchers who were available during free agency, but the yankees did NOTHING and if I were a yankee fan (again, thank the heavens I'm not...I'd have to never watch baseball again if I was), I'd be FURIOUS that the yankees and steinbrenner were more interested in trying to score more runs instead of hiring better pitching. I guess that trivial, short sighted way of thinking is why the yankees haven't won the series since 2000, and why they won't win it again anytime soon.
As far as the Mariners? Hell I like our chances this year.
Felix Hernandez. He'll be in your faces all year as the best young pitching prospect in all of baseball. If the yankees were smart they'd try to find players like this. 19 years old, unbelievable control (3-1 K/BB ratio), multitude of pitches, and will continue his dominance. Jamie Moyer. 43 year old , who, unlike little unit, stays healthy and gives good innings. Good control, he'll win 13-15 this year. Jarrod Washburn. Great pickup from Anaheim. Solid pitcher with great K/BB ratio who will benefit even more from the pitcher friendly confines of Safeco. Gil Meche and Joel Pinero round out the rotation...solid #4 and #5 guys.
Let's not forget 'Easy' Eddie Guardado who was solid with 36 saves last year.
But then, yankee fans love to live in the past...is why they are so enamored of these 30 something, over the hill players queen george loves to sign.
You're such a bore...go away and take spammy with you...you two would make quite a pair, retelling each other of past yankee greatness, each of you trying to top the other as the 'better' fan of the spankees.
<< <i>[As far as the Mariners? Hell I like our chances this year.
Felix Hernandez. He'll be in your faces all year as the best young pitching prospect in all of baseball. If the yankees were smart they'd try to find players like this. 19 years old, unbelievable control (3-1 K/BB ratio), multitude of pitches, and will continue his dominance. Jamie Moyer. 43 year old , who, unlike little unit, stays healthy and gives good innings. Good control, he'll win 13-15 this year. Jarrod Washburn. Great pickup from Anaheim. Solid pitcher with great K/BB ratio who will benefit even more from the pitcher friendly confines of Safeco. Gil Meche and Joel Pinero round out the rotation...solid #4 and #5 guys.
Let's not forget 'Easy' Eddie Guardado who was solid with 36 saves last year.
. >>
Felix hernandez, unbelievable control in the MINORS Jamie Moyer who the Yankees pound every time out Jarod Washburn whos real name this year is WASHED UP. You think the Angles don't know? Gil Mecche and Joel Pinero? yeah, there are two SOLID starters
come on Ax, you talk about Yankee fans being delerious
Felix hernandez, unbelievable control in the MINORS >>
Are you drunk? Or just in denial? Why don't you go read his stats you buffoon...just because he doesn't play in NY doesn't mean he's not dominating? He'd be your #1 starter.
<< <i> Jamie Moyer who the Yankees pound every time out Jarod Washburn whos real name this year is WASHED UP. You think the Angles don't know? Gil Mecche and Joel Pinero? yeah, there are two SOLID starters >>
I really can't help you if you think for a second the yankees pitching staff is any better than the Mariners. However, the Mariners aren't spending upwards of $60 million on it. Good thing Kevin Brown's ridiculous contract is done.
Felix hernandez, unbelievable control in the MINORS >>
Are you drunk? Or just in denial? Why don't you go read his stats you buffoon...just because he doesn't play in NY doesn't mean he's not dominating? He'd be your #1 starter.
<< <i> Jamie Moyer who the Yankees pound every time out Jarod Washburn whos real name this year is WASHED UP. You think the Angles don't know? Gil Mecche and Joel Pinero? yeah, there are two SOLID starters >>
I really can't help you if you think for a second the yankees pitching staff is any better than the Mariners. However, the Mariners aren't spending upwards of $60 million on it. Good thing Kevin Brown's ridiculous contract is done. >>
Thats fine, AGAIN, put your money where your trap is. Yanks staff vs the M's next year. Problem is, you are ALL MOUTH and ZERO substance.
And just how would you quantify this bet mr big shot? And what, the sig line bet is too near and dear to your heart? I'd prefer to do the signature line bet, but if that's too much pressure for you, just fess up and say 'I'm a chicken s**t!'
Also, I find it hypocritical you, on one hand, love the yankees and their signing every big name free agent, which spits in the face of the ideas that Mr. Mara put into play in the NFL. Talk about contradictions!
The Yankees pitching staff is much better than the Mariners. They will have to decide what to do with their extra 2 starters. My preference: Johnson, Chacon, Wang, Mussina, Small. Trade Pavano and Wright.
<< <i>The Yankees pitching staff is much better than the Mariners. They will have to decide what to do with their extra 2 starters. My preference: Johnson, Chacon, Wang, Mussina, Small. Trade Pavano and Wright. >>
Good...stick with that line of reasoning...you want a washed up randy johnson who led the league in homers allowed as your opening day starter? Be my guest.
Shawn Chacon and his career era over 4.50 as number 2? Go for it!
Trade Pavano and Wright? Who will take their contracts for absolute GARBAGE pitching? Uhm, no one. You're STUCK with them.
Good night gracie, this pitching staff is going to suck AGAIN.
<< <i>And just how would you quantify this bet mr big shot? And what, the sig line bet is too near and dear to your heart? I'd prefer to do the signature line bet, but if that's too much pressure for you, just fess up and say 'I'm a chicken s**t!'
Also, I find it hypocritical you, on one hand, love the yankees and their signing every big name free agent, which spits in the face of the ideas that Mr. Mara put into play in the NFL. Talk about contradictions! >>
I will take that sig line bet Ax! That will be lots of fun Told you to PM me about it, you never did. You never responded to my acceptance in the thread either.
My love for the Yankees began very early into the free agent era and well before I was aware of the buisness that it is. I am a Yankee fan because I was born into it
Randy Johnson...ok, at 42 he was 17-8, his ERA wasnt steller but still gave over 200 innings and 211 K's compared to his 47 walks...maybe I dont get it but are these stats all a BAD thing? So he gave up mostly SOLO HR's...big deal. I'll take Johnson over 90% of the rest of the pitchers in the league!
Mussina...SOLID. What else can you say about him? So he isnt Roger Clemens...but I would still take him over Jamie Moyer in any club!
Wang...you are going to give Felix Hernandez all these props and say Wang doesnt have what it takes? Wang may not strikeout a whole lot of batters but he is going to prove to be one of the best ground ball pitchers in the game. Why do you think every team that talks trade with the Yankees wants Wang? They know what he's about.
Pavano...I agree to get rid of him. I never cared for Pavano. I hope the Yanks use him for trade. Especially after that plunk in the head.
Chacon...what pitcher has EVER found success in Colorado? I dont think having a 4.50 ERA is all that shabby...ask Mike Hampton! Hampton a so called #1 starter got SHELLED in Colorado..he was begging to be traded! Chacon isnt a #1 or #2 guy...but a #4 or #5 he could prove to be successful with the Yankees.
Jaret Wright...ok, another guy I wouldnt mind being traded. He's just a younger Kevin Brown.
And YES, thankfully Brown and his fat salary are gone!
Aaron Small...I hope the Yankees give this guy a chance as a #5 or be used as a starter when necessary. He has good stuff...just needs to learn to trust it. He could do ok...so he's not a super star...but thats ok. Consistancy would be good though.
So, I dont think the Yanks are in all that bad of a position with pitching. Yeah, it could be better and hopefully before all is said and done this winter, it will be better.
I think I like the Yankees chances better than Seattle's!
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Red Sox didnt want to lose him. How much more obvious can that be? Now having lost him how can it not be a big deal....whether he became a Yankee or went to some other team?
The fact is that Damon is on a short list of decent center fielders. There is both good and bad with Damon but there is no arguement that he helps a ballclub.
I agree that Yanks need help with pitching. I cant stand the starting rotation. Mussina is ace, Randy Johnson is 50/50, Pavano doesnt even want to be there, Jaret Wright is another surgery waiting to happen. I think Chacon will be fairly effective. As for Small, I hope sharing duties with Sturtze will suit him. I would like to see Pavano traded and a halfway decent arm brought in the starting rotation.
I think the Red Sox are no better or no worse with their pitching staff...maybe a little better with Beckett there but they have taken other hits. Unfortunately for them, their field looks weak. Looks like the Blue Jays want their turn.
I dont think Yankees are looking for Damon to provide power...they want him on base. I do think they want Jeter out of the leadoff spot. Bringing in Damon to lead off will have a large affect on their lineup.
NHCardhunter is right...its not the end of the world for the Red Sox. But it IS unfortunate because of what Damon DOES bring, not for what he lacks. And he is not going to win the Yankees the pennant either.
And as a Yankees fan, I will be happy not to have us face Damon...he has always been a Yankee killer!
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The fact is that Damon is on a short list of decent center fielders. There is both good and bad with Damon but there is no arguement that he helps a ballclub.
I agree that Yanks need help with pitching. I cant stand the starting rotation. Mussina is ace, Randy Johnson is 50/50, Pavano doesnt even want to be there, Jaret Wright is another surgery waiting to happen. I think Chacon will be fairly effective. As for Small, I hope sharing duties with Sturtze will suit him. I would like to see Pavano traded and a halfway decent arm brought in the starting rotation.
And as a Yankees fan, I will be happy not to have us face Damon...he has always been a Yankee killer! >>
BRAVO! This signing can not be looked at any other way than a very good move. They needed a center fielder AND leadoff man in the worst way. They got both while hurting the Sox lineup at the same time.
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The fact is that Damon is on a short list of decent center fielders. There is both good and bad with Damon but there is no arguement that he helps a ballclub.
I agree that Yanks need help with pitching. I cant stand the starting rotation. Mussina is ace, Randy Johnson is 50/50, Pavano doesnt even want to be there, Jaret Wright is another surgery waiting to happen. I think Chacon will be fairly effective. As for Small, I hope sharing duties with Sturtze will suit him. I would like to see Pavano traded and a halfway decent arm brought in the starting rotation.
And as a Yankees fan, I will be happy not to have us face Damon...he has always been a Yankee killer! >>
BRAVO! This signing can not be looked at any other way than a very good move. They needed a center fielder AND leadoff man in the worst way. They got both while hurting the Sox lineup at the same time. >>
Well if we get Coco Crisp I think losing Damon may have ben a good thing. Also, Soft since your diggin up the past don't foget we gotta rid of Babe Ruth, Dennis eckersley, Lee Smith and a handful of others guys due to "management" issues.
I heard this on the radio this afternoon, and I still can't stop laughing.
<< <i>Today, Johnny Damon's father (!) compared the Damon signing to the way the Sox let Babe Ruth go to the Yankees many moons ago.
I heard this on the radio this afternoon, and I still can't stop laughing. >>
yeah, the Ruth comparison is ridiculous.
anyway,play it down as much as ya can CT. Nothing changes how inept Sox ownership is .... this move hurts the Red Sox in every way. See ya in April !
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But, the season doesn't start today - and I still think the Sox will respond. Kevin Millwood? Lugo and Aubrey Huff? Who knows exactly, but I do know one thing - Damon will always regret this move. Maybe not right away, but when he finds himself in the middle of a bunch of selfish, soulless athletes like Giambi, Sheffield, and A-Rod who simply do not know how to win, he'll look back on being part of a team. All for $12 million bucks - what a shame.
<< <i>But, the season doesn't start today - and I still think the Sox will respond. Kevin Millwood? Lugo and Aubrey Huff? Who knows exactly, but I do know one thing - Damon will always regret this move. Maybe not right away, but when he finds himself in the middle of a bunch of selfish, soulless athletes like Giambi, Sheffield, and A-Rod who simply do not know how to win, he'll look back on being part of a team. All for $12 million bucks - what a shame. >>
selfish, souless athletes?
anyway, this idea that the Yankees overpaid for Damon is a stretch. 13 million for a center fielder and one of the best leadoff hitters in the game? Especially with the crazy contracts given out this year before Damon? Nah, pretty good deal and say what you want about George, this does "stick it" to the Sox.
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This was a BAD move by the yankees...they've done nothing to shore up a very, very shaky starting rotation, and the red sox did.
The Red Sox will finish the year with more wins than the spankees...but all the blinded yankee fanatics can scream is 'Damon's our savior!' instead of being able to objectively look at the dire straits the yankees pitching is in.
It's going to be another long, long year for your yankee fans (and I love it!)
<< <i>And the yankees needed more offense? huh?
This was a BAD move by the yankees...they've done nothing to shore up a very, very shaky starting rotation, and the red sox did.
The Red Sox will finish the year with more wins than the spankees...but all the blinded yankee fanatics can scream is 'Damon's our savior!' instead of being able to objectively look at the dire straits the yankees pitching is in.
It's going to be another long, long year for your yankee fans (and I love it!) >>
hey ax, like I offered before, put your money where your trap is.
And YOU, the Red Sox GM are "certain" how the Sox feel about this debacle?
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The GM has to say that they feel bad Damon got away, but if they truly wanted him around, they'd have offered him the $13 million per. They know he has a weak arm, he's 32, and he's among the best leadoff men in the game? I'm SURE you felt that way when he was with the sox.
I find it amusing that yankee fans are so blinded by this move that you can't see the yankees have acquired no pitching help, and that unit is going to be another year older (and another year of back tightness and troubles). I find it humorous that the yankee 'fans' are more enamored of 'sticking it' to the red sox nation than of their own team's pathetic pitching staff (and yes it is PATHETIC).
<< <i>softie I won't bet you because I am sure you're like stalin, a bet and a loss and you'll be reeling and whining and making excuses.
I find it humorous that the yankee 'fans' are more enamored of 'sticking it' to the red sox nation than of their own team's pathetic pitching staff (and yes it is PATHETIC). >>
#1. No bet? You are worried about me not paying? Nah, you know you would lose, AND you are a sissy mary
#2. Yankee pitching pathetic? well, certainly not as solid as recent Yankee staffs but pathetic? nope, jsut your biased view ax, nothing more.
COME ON, lets bet. Don't be such a nancy. I want to see you back up your biased line of bull$hit with your wallet or purse, whatever you carry around with you.
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<< <i>And the yankees needed more offense? huh?
This was a BAD move by the yankees...they've done nothing to shore up a very, very shaky starting rotation, and the red sox did.
The Red Sox will finish the year with more wins than the spankees...but all the blinded yankee fanatics can scream is 'Damon's our savior!' instead of being able to objectively look at the dire straits the yankees pitching is in.
It's going to be another long, long year for your yankee fans (and I love it!) >>
To even suggest that adding Damon is a BAD move is just naive and an attempt to put down what the Yankees did. Would it have been a bad move for the Red Sox to resign him? Would it be a bad move if another team had picked him up? Of course not. He is an all star center fielder and fills two important spots the Yanks want to fill...a center fielder and a strong leadoff hitter. I dont hear anyone screaming that Damon is our savior...but we like what he brings.
I absolutely agree that the Yankees need to bolster their starting rotation. Lets not forget...there are still free agents out there and trades that can happen. It's not over yet folks. I wouldnt at all be surprised to see Pavano, Andy Phillips, Eric Duncan, Melky Cabrera and other minor leaguers traded if they dont sign a free agent. The Yanks have been taking care of their bullpen and happy with what they have done. I dont think for a second Brian Cashman hasnt thought about what he can do to improve the starting rotation.
<< <i>They know he has a weak arm, he's 32, and he's among the best leadoff men in the game? I'm SURE you felt that way when he was with the sox. >>
My point exactly. Yankee fans hated Damon until 2 days ago, and I don't mean hated just because he was on the Red Sox, but hated him because the feeling was he was overrated. Now that the Yanks have the spaghetti-armed CF for their very own rotisserie lineup, he is the best leadoff hitter in the game all of a sudden? Drink the kool-aid much?
I repeat, I am sad he left. But, the fact remains - it is not the end of the world for the Sox. The Yanks pitching stinks. All of that offense, and you will spend another season praying that Shawn Chacon and Aaron Small can get guys out. Getting to Rivera won't be the same either, as Kyle Farnsworth will be lit up on a nightly basis (mark this down). The Yanks will win games, of course - but the team seems even more than ever to be a collection of large-ego, selfish players who just want to cash large checks while mumbling the same crap about "pinstripe pride" and "Mr. Steinbrenner". Please.
As a Yankees fan, sure I hated Damon AS A RED SOX because he was a Yankee killer! That's more respect for what he does and not bashing him as a bad ballplayer. I think we can all admit that for all the runs opposing teams score off Damon because of his weak arm, defensively he also saves many runs because he covers a lot of ground...something that Yankee Stadium demands in center. I dont see anything negative for any team having Damon unless you have Andrew Jones! (for example)
I think Farnsworth and Myers will fit in nicely. These are not guys who will get lit up on any kind of regular basis. Dotel is a risk coming off Tommy John surgery but could end up being a force in the bullpen if he has an injury free season with little or no loss in his velocity and movement. I think its just all the on the Yankees haters wish list that these guys dont succeed.
Anyway, grabbing up Damon is a much better idea than keeping the steroid leftover the Mariners gobbled up in Matt Lawton.
instead of a monetary bet, how about a signature line bet? That way I won't get the 'I can't afford it!' excuse from you, since I know that you'd welch on the bet. How about we bet the yankees win the world series? They lose, I win...they win, you win. We have a whole season to set the rules of the sig line.
And I didn't say the Damon signing was bad, but it was ill-advised. Steinbrenner was so deadset on 'sticking' it to the red sox that he forget his pitching is ABYSMAL. The yankees didn't have any shortage of runs last year, so a weak armed center fielder who will help them score 6 a night instead of 5 isn't going to help when they give up 7 a game.
And yes their pitching is god awful. Team ERA was over 4.50, they had one pitcher with more than 15 wins (Unit, 17). Shawn Chacon and Aaron Small (??) are their supposed saviors, and they had just one starter with an ERA under 3.3.
Yeah, their pitching is PATHETIC (just like you softie, trying to say it's not that bad). And you call me BIASED?
Pot, meet kettle.
This all comes down to the Yankees forgetting what got them to the titles....PITCHING. Forget the bats, they had plenty of offense to win 120 games last year if they had even half the staff they had 6 or 7 years ago.
Just a side note about the White Sox. They were a true model of how a championship team is made, with an emphasis on TEAM. In many ways they reminded me of the 96 yanks, before all the "names" were brought in. They were an absolute pleasure to watch in the postseason, and although they received a fair share of attention from the east coast media, it wasnt nearly what they deserved.
-- Yogi Berra
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instead of a monetary bet, how about a signature line bet? That way I won't get the 'I can't afford it!' excuse from you, since I know that you'd welch on the bet. How about we bet the yankees win the world series? They lose, I win...they win, you win. We have a whole season to set the rules of the sig line.
And I didn't say the Damon signing was bad, but it was ill-advised. Steinbrenner was so deadset on 'sticking' it to the red sox that he forget his pitching is ABYSMAL. The yankees didn't have any shortage of runs last year, so a weak armed center fielder who will help them score 6 a night instead of 5 isn't going to help when they give up 7 a game.
And yes their pitching is god awful. Team ERA was over 4.50, they had one pitcher with more than 15 wins (Unit, 17). Shawn Chacon and Aaron Small (??) are their supposed saviors, and they had just one starter with an ERA under 3.3.
Yeah, their pitching is PATHETIC (just like you softie, trying to say it's not that bad). And you call me BIASED?
Pot, meet kettle. >>
Ax, my reputation outside of this ridiculous forum I am sure is rock solid. You would have NO problems in me paying on any bet that I should lose. With that said, I did notice in another thread that you just bought a house. I am sure you are not settled on your budget yet and I respect that you don't want to go the monetary route. However, the drop dead bet on a World Series WIN is crazy for anybody to take. Lets do a over/under on total wins for the season like I first suggested with sig lines at stake like you suggested. We can hash out the details in PM's if you would like.
let me know ......
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I can not get over how Red Sox fans are in denial and now they start bad mouthing Damon on how he has a bad throwing arm, he is aging, etc. If I was a Red Sox fan I would be very upset with one of the cogs of the Red Sox leaving. When the Yankees let Pettitte slip away I was. It hurts more when a favorite player goes to an archrival. I remember in 1998 when Bernie was in his prime and he was a Free Agent there was talk of Bernie signing in Boston. I would have been devastated but would always love the guy. How could you Red Sox fans bad mouth this guy so much after all that he has done for your franchise?
By, the way Michael Kay interviewed Damon after the press conference and Damon said that Varitek who is a close friend of Damon's is devastated with his departure.
<< <i>I can not get over how Red Sox fans are in denial and now they start bad mouthing Damon on how he has a bad throwing arm, he is aging, etc. >>
And I can't get over how much the yankees are already drinking the Damon koolaid, for years denying him as being a good player when he played for the red sox. It's just as hypocritical, no? Quit being a whining baby, and admit that the yankees didn't need another bat, and they sure as hell didn't need a gimpy armed outfielder.
<< <i>If I was a Red Sox fan I would be very upset with one of the cogs of the Red Sox leaving. When the Yankees let Pettitte slip away I was. It hurts more when a favorite player goes to an archrival. I remember in 1998 when Bernie was in his prime and he was a Free Agent there was talk of Bernie signing in Boston. I would have been devastated but would always love the guy. How could you Red Sox fans bad mouth this guy so much after all that he has done for your franchise?
By, the way Michael Kay interviewed Damon after the press conference and Damon said that Varitek who is a close friend of Damon's is devastated with his departure. >>
How much he did? let's not get overdramatic...he played a few years there, it's not like he was a lifer.
And let's not forget it was DAMON who gave up the team, not the other way around. Damon (just like every single one of Boras' clients) went for the max payday, instead of honoring the loyalty that Damon said was so important.
Damon's a low class sell out...he said in May it wasn't about the money, and he could never see himself playing in NY. Guess that was all a lie...and that $10 million a year wasn't enough to satisfy his lust for money and attention.
No it is human nature but like I said if it were me and one of my favorite players left I would not be bad mouthing them. Been there. NO Done that. I have never had one of my favorite players go to the archrival Red Sox though. Throughout history it has always been a Star or Super Star Red Sox player going to the Yankees. I wonder why?
Quit being a whining baby, and admit that the yankees didn't need another bat, and they sure as hell didn't need a gimpy armed outfielder.
He doesn't have a great arm and I am the first to admit that but he is a great fielder with range. Also he is a great leadoff hitter. When asked at the Press Conference why he didn't have as many stolen bases last year Damon said there is no reason to steal when a team has the big boppers coming up but he said he can steal a lot more if he wanted to.
<< <i> "There's no way I can go play for the Yankees, but I know they are going to come after me hard," Damon said. "It's definitely not the most important thing to go out there for the top dollar, which the Yankees are going to offer me. It's not what I need."
Damon said he's "very happy" to be a Red Sox.
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He's a hypocrite and a liar...hey, he should fit in with the yankees just fine!
We'll see how much love these yankee fans have for Damon if he doesn't produce...I suspect anything less than an MVP season will have yankee fans booing.
And yankee lovers, how in the hell can you welcome a bitter, bitter rival such as Damon so warmly? If I were a yankee fan (and thank god I'm not...I'd have to check myself into therapy if I were), there's no way in HELL I'd clap for Damon, root for Damon, and want him on my team. He was the face of the ENEMY for many years and the fact he so willingly switched sides shows he can (and will) do it again.
But then yankee fans are shallow people who know nothing of loyalty and care only about how many all stars they can accumulate. Too bad for them (well, not really) but this team WON'T win the world series, either.
<< <i>Red Sox fans should (and justifiably so) be upset not because to red sox didn't resign Damon, but because he absolutely lied through his teeth about not wanting top dollar.
He's a hypocrite and a liar...hey, he should fit in with the yankees just fine!
We'll see how much love these yankee fans have for Damon if he doesn't produce...I suspect anything less than an MVP season will have yankee fans booing.
And yankee lovers, how in the hell can you welcome a bitter, bitter rival such as Damon so warmly? If I were a yankee fan (and thank god I'm not...I'd have to check myself into therapy if I were), there's no way in HELL I'd clap for Damon, root for Damon, and want him on my team. He was the face of the ENEMY for many years and the fact he so willingly switched sides shows he can (and will) do it again.
But then yankee fans are shallow people who know nothing of loyalty and care only about how many all stars they can accumulate. Too bad for them (well, not really) but this team WON'T win the world series, either. >>
stop your loyalty crusade already
GO ahead and bash Johnny Damon for seeing the Sox for what they are, a team that continues to tear apart the core of its championship team, constantly dangles trade rumors with Ramirez (who wants out of that zoo anyway), and has ZERO organization at the top levels of leadership.
Fine with me
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Which team has the inept front office again?
<< <i>What is up with the Yankees and their pitching staff? Have they upgraded at all this offseason? Will they wast ridiculas amounts of money on another Kevin Brown? >>
Don't bother asking clueless questions like this and then chime in on any other baseball thread spouting like you know what you are talking about
It would take less effort to research any teams moves this off season then to ask a ridiculous question like that
BUT, it is the holidays so niceness abounds!
The Yankees signed Ron Villone, Kyle Farnsworth, and Mike Myers for the bullpen
Starters are any mix of Randy Johnson, Mike Mussina, Chien Ming Wang, Carl Pavano, Shawn Chacon, Jaret Wright, Aaron Small
Ax, before you go off on these Yankee starters, please critique the fives SAPS the mariners will be trotting out everyday
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Is it true that the Mariners signed Matt Lawton even though they knew he was on steroids? Is that their premier signing for this off season?
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hahahaha and these guys are supposed to make the team better? Unlimited payroll and THIS is the best the yanks can come up with! Pathetic!
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Starters are any mix of Randy Johnson, Mike Mussina, Chien Ming Wang, Carl Pavano, Shawn Chacon, Jaret Wright, Aaron Small
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Oooh a gimpy, 43 year old big unit who gave up the most HRs in the bigs last year.
Mussina, who's best days are behind him, but this sorry staffs best starter.
Wang, who's already had injury problems and missed considerable time (and wasn't all that effective).
Pavano? Does he still pitch? I bet he knows the ins and outs of the disabled list process in his sleep.
Chacon? A career 4.50 something pitcher? You're hanging your hat on THAT guy?
Jaret Wright? Can you say Jaret WRONG? Talk about pulling the wool over steinny's eyes.
Aaron Small? yawn.
These guys are the best a team with no ceiling to payroll can do? There were plenty of pitchers who were available during free agency, but the yankees did NOTHING and if I were a yankee fan (again, thank the heavens I'm not...I'd have to never watch baseball again if I was), I'd be FURIOUS that the yankees and steinbrenner were more interested in trying to score more runs instead of hiring better pitching. I guess that trivial, short sighted way of thinking is why the yankees haven't won the series since 2000, and why they won't win it again anytime soon.
As far as the Mariners? Hell I like our chances this year.
Felix Hernandez. He'll be in your faces all year as the best young pitching prospect in all of baseball. If the yankees were smart they'd try to find players like this. 19 years old, unbelievable control (3-1 K/BB ratio), multitude of pitches, and will continue his dominance.
Jamie Moyer. 43 year old , who, unlike little unit, stays healthy and gives good innings. Good control, he'll win 13-15 this year.
Jarrod Washburn. Great pickup from Anaheim. Solid pitcher with great K/BB ratio who will benefit even more from the pitcher friendly confines of Safeco.
Gil Meche and Joel Pinero round out the rotation...solid #4 and #5 guys.
Let's not forget 'Easy' Eddie Guardado who was solid with 36 saves last year.
But then, yankee fans love to live in the past...is why they are so enamored of these 30 something, over the hill players queen george loves to sign.
<< <i>Is it true that the Mariners signed Matt Lawton even though they knew he was on steroids? Is that their premier signing for this off season? >>
Is it true the yankees signed Jason Giambi and Gary Sheffield even though they knew he was on steroids?
And premier signing? Hardly.
No doubt in my mind that you are indeed a Yankee fan
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You're such a bore...go away and take spammy with you...you two would make quite a pair, retelling each other of past yankee greatness, each of you trying to top the other as the 'better' fan of the spankees.
Pathetic.
<< <i>[As far as the Mariners? Hell I like our chances this year.
Felix Hernandez. He'll be in your faces all year as the best young pitching prospect in all of baseball. If the yankees were smart they'd try to find players like this. 19 years old, unbelievable control (3-1 K/BB ratio), multitude of pitches, and will continue his dominance.
Jamie Moyer. 43 year old , who, unlike little unit, stays healthy and gives good innings. Good control, he'll win 13-15 this year.
Jarrod Washburn. Great pickup from Anaheim. Solid pitcher with great K/BB ratio who will benefit even more from the pitcher friendly confines of Safeco.
Gil Meche and Joel Pinero round out the rotation...solid #4 and #5 guys.
Let's not forget 'Easy' Eddie Guardado who was solid with 36 saves last year.
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Felix hernandez, unbelievable control in the MINORS
Jamie Moyer who the Yankees pound every time out
Jarod Washburn whos real name this year is WASHED UP. You think the Angles don't know?
Gil Mecche and Joel Pinero?
come on Ax, you talk about Yankee fans being delerious
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Are you drunk? Or just in denial? Why don't you go read his stats you buffoon...just because he doesn't play in NY doesn't mean he's not dominating? He'd be your #1 starter.
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Jamie Moyer who the Yankees pound every time out
Jarod Washburn whos real name this year is WASHED UP. You think the Angles don't know?
Gil Mecche and Joel Pinero?
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I really can't help you if you think for a second the yankees pitching staff is any better than the Mariners. However, the Mariners aren't spending upwards of $60 million on it. Good thing Kevin Brown's ridiculous contract is done.
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Felix hernandez, unbelievable control in the MINORS
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Are you drunk? Or just in denial? Why don't you go read his stats you buffoon...just because he doesn't play in NY doesn't mean he's not dominating? He'd be your #1 starter.
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Jamie Moyer who the Yankees pound every time out
Jarod Washburn whos real name this year is WASHED UP. You think the Angles don't know?
Gil Mecche and Joel Pinero?
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I really can't help you if you think for a second the yankees pitching staff is any better than the Mariners. However, the Mariners aren't spending upwards of $60 million on it. Good thing Kevin Brown's ridiculous contract is done. >>
Thats fine, AGAIN, put your money where your trap is. Yanks staff vs the M's next year. Problem is, you are ALL MOUTH and ZERO substance.
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Also, I find it hypocritical you, on one hand, love the yankees and their signing every big name free agent, which spits in the face of the ideas that Mr. Mara put into play in the NFL. Talk about contradictions!
The Yankees pitching staff is much better than the Mariners. They will have to decide what to do with their extra 2 starters. My preference: Johnson, Chacon, Wang, Mussina, Small. Trade Pavano and Wright.
<< <i>The Yankees pitching staff is much better than the Mariners. They will have to decide what to do with their extra 2 starters. My preference: Johnson, Chacon, Wang, Mussina, Small. Trade Pavano and Wright. >>
Good...stick with that line of reasoning...you want a washed up randy johnson who led the league in homers allowed as your opening day starter? Be my guest.
Shawn Chacon and his career era over 4.50 as number 2? Go for it!
Trade Pavano and Wright? Who will take their contracts for absolute GARBAGE pitching? Uhm, no one. You're STUCK with them.
Good night gracie, this pitching staff is going to suck AGAIN.
<< <i>And just how would you quantify this bet mr big shot? And what, the sig line bet is too near and dear to your heart? I'd prefer to do the signature line bet, but if that's too much pressure for you, just fess up and say 'I'm a chicken s**t!'
Also, I find it hypocritical you, on one hand, love the yankees and their signing every big name free agent, which spits in the face of the ideas that Mr. Mara put into play in the NFL. Talk about contradictions! >>
I will take that sig line bet Ax! That will be lots of fun
My love for the Yankees began very early into the free agent era and well before I was aware of the buisness that it is. I am a Yankee fan because I was born into it
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Softparade, why do you waste your breath with this guy who has a NY hatred fixation? I won't. Good night and Merry Christmas!
<< <i>Softparade, why do you waste your breath with this guy who has a NY hatred fixation? I won't. Good night and Merry Christmas! >>
Funny how you say that spammy after all the crapola you've written tonight.
Good, this means we won't be seeing your ridiculous posts here anymore?
That would be a very, MERRY christmas for us all!
Bah, humbug. Are you sure you are not Scrooge?
<< <i>Softparade, why do you waste your breath with this guy who has a NY hatred fixation? I won't. Good night and Merry Christmas! >>
waste of time? hell no, this is FUN
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<< <i>So let's go starter ERAs...loser wears the winner's choice of sig lines for 2 weeks following the end of the regular season. >>
Is there a reason you would not want to go with WINS?
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Mussina...SOLID. What else can you say about him? So he isnt Roger Clemens...but I would still take him over Jamie Moyer in any club!
Wang...you are going to give Felix Hernandez all these props and say Wang doesnt have what it takes? Wang may not strikeout a whole lot of batters but he is going to prove to be one of the best ground ball pitchers in the game. Why do you think every team that talks trade with the Yankees wants Wang? They know what he's about.
Pavano...I agree to get rid of him. I never cared for Pavano. I hope the Yanks use him for trade. Especially after that plunk in the head.
Chacon...what pitcher has EVER found success in Colorado? I dont think having a 4.50 ERA is all that shabby...ask Mike Hampton! Hampton a so called #1 starter got SHELLED in Colorado..he was begging to be traded! Chacon isnt a #1 or #2 guy...but a #4 or #5 he could prove to be successful with the Yankees.
Jaret Wright...ok, another guy I wouldnt mind being traded. He's just a younger Kevin Brown.
And YES, thankfully Brown and his fat salary are gone!
Aaron Small...I hope the Yankees give this guy a chance as a #5 or be used as a starter when necessary. He has good stuff...just needs to learn to trust it. He could do ok...so he's not a super star...but thats ok. Consistancy would be good though.
So, I dont think the Yanks are in all that bad of a position with pitching. Yeah, it could be better and hopefully before all is said and done this winter, it will be better.
I think I like the Yankees chances better than Seattle's!
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HuHuHHHUUUUHH He said Wang
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<< <i>So let's go starter ERAs...loser wears the winner's choice of sig lines for 2 weeks following the end of the regular season. >>
Is there a reason you would not want to go with WINS? >>
Because the yankees are going to score 10 runs a game, perhaps?
I'm sorry, but comparing ERAs is the only fair stat to compare.
<< <i>Bah, humbug. Are you sure you are not Scrooge? >>
So 5 minutes after saying why waste your breath with me, you're still talking?
Just go back under your rock spammy! NO ONE WANTS YOU HERE.