Well, when you've got the wild west, oftentimes vigilantes run unchecked. Much like fraudsters on ebay. My money is on those that want to clean up the place -- as opposed to the thieves. I also predict that Nomar is out of business on ebay within a week if we keep complaining. The negs he gave out -- "What is your problem" -- is laughable considering the obvious answer to that question: YOU, IRENA! Oh, and by the way, his name is not Irena...it's actually Steve.
<< <i>Well, when you've got the wild west, oftentimes vigilantes run unchecked. Much like fraudsters on ebay. My money is on those that want to clean up the place -- as opposed to the thieves. I also predict that Nomar is out of business on ebay within a week if we keep complaining. The negs he gave out -- "What is your problem" -- is laughable considering the obvious answer to that question: YOU, IRENA! Oh, and by the way, his name is not Irena...it's actually Steve. >>
Well it's likely that that dummy account will be NARU'ed, and those negatives will be erased as per ebay's policy.
Well I work in Milford, and I ain't Irena, nor do I know her. For those of you who are reporting him/her/it, what do you do? Just send the dreaded "misleading title" violation and hope ebay figures it out?
Maybe I'm just hoping for a perfect world, but a month or 2 ago, I thought PSA and ebay were entering into some sort of working agreement. How hard would it be for PSA to have a web link where one could submit illegal practices such as this, and then PSA could go straight to ebay (and mayber further) to put an end to them? Because it would seem that PSA can't be all that happy about this type of thing going on either.
Though his auctions are shady and misleading, couldnt an easy defense be him showing a price guide? Yes, most of us know that it also states that a qualifier will drop the value 2 grades...but let someone try and prove that. It goes well with another old saying and it goes for more than just sports cards... " X is only worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it. " You would have to prove without a doubt with probably 100% buyers that they did not know how to use a guide. AND thats another problem. Price guides are just that....guides. They do not claim to predict the exact value and that they should only be used as a guide. We have all seen discussions how SMR and Beckett is way off on values due to completed auctions. How do you explain 1955 Topps PSA 8 commons selling for $1000 when they book $100? (not sure if that is the correct amount but you get my point) Same would go to his defense. Also, him showing positive transactions with similar auctions would pretty much prove his case just by having satisfied customers. Yes, I would also like to see him get thrown off and gone forever but I dont see it happening. Not only that but look at the money he generates for Ebay and Paypal. Do you think they want to give that up? Not a chance.
Well, I agree that the SMR is just a guide -- but it's THE guide that he cites in his listings. And the issue of two points coming off the SMR value for qualified cards is clearly listed in the SMR. Try putting an 8OC in your registry and seeing it come up as an "8". Instead, it counts for a 6. This simple machination has made this slimeball huge money. Why else do you think he only buys OC cards?
I dont think it's of any consequence that he quotes a guide. That could be his defense just as it would be used against him.
As for trying to put a card in the registry A) Most graded cards dont make it to the registry Those using the registry would never bid those prices on his cards..they are more than likely seasoned collectors.
Don't get me wrong...I do NOT support this guy. I would love to see him kicked off. I am just stating the reasons I dont see ebay doing anything or a lawsuit going very far. He is riding a thin line but I see him having the advantage.
I agree, yankeeno7. I think this seller is totally shady and I really regret ever bidding in nomar's auctions and will certainly never do so again, but I also think he or she is very good at toeing the line between being a mere huckster and being an outright fraud.
Unless nomar's just making up the SMR values - and I think you're mistakenly conflating the issues of SMR values and Registry points for qualified cards, nicovu - there's really nothing illegal about listing the guide's prices for 10's and 9's on auctions for 9OC's. If there were, I guess we'd have to file complaints on many respectable auctions too. I'm not even sure that failing to disclose the qualifier in the auction title is a clear violation of eBay's policies. I don't like it and I'd never do it myself, but I personally find it less irritating than all the keyword spamming that goes on.
I think the one area where one could conceivably have a case with eBay against this seller is in his or her use of the Pop Reports in that he or she describes a card as 1/x based on the NQ population of a card. Might work with eBay complaints, but I can't see it getting us far in the legal arena.
And I guess that sums up my take on all this. I can't speak for ndleo, but I don't think anybody here is defending Irena Kielb or whoever happens to be behind these auctions. In fact, I think it's great that this thread has generated so much negative attention for the seller. I also loved the feedback from grays on nomar's profile. I wish more sellers would be so vigilant against seeing their cards end up in nomar's shady auctions. This ultimately is a situation that the collecting community - as cheesy as that sounds - has to address itself through good old fashioned word of mouth. A little vigilante cyberjustice wouldn't hurt either.
Where is the thin line when he has a PSA 8 OC card up for auction and has the language: "this card has been graded PSA 9 by PSA" in the body of the ad? Where is the gray area in that shade?
Yes, that is what he says but he doesnt say that "this card is worth x amount". Thats where he falls back on SMR being a guide. The buyer sets the price....although we know he is playing hype games and getting people to fall for it. Unethical yes but unfortunately he gets past being illegal IMO. Nicovu, I think that example of advertising a PSA 8oc as a PSA 9 would be a completely different story. Apples and oranges. That example I think could constitute some sort of fraud.
AGHHHH! He explicitly states that 'this card has a PSA SMR value of 'x'', where 'this card' means the card being auctioned. Reread his auction descriptions.
Hopefully his feedback will be his worst enemy and make people ask "why?" before the bid.
I still dont think the logistics of how he describes the card and SMR holds any water for fraud. Imagine him saying a 9 is a 9 is a 9. Argue it. Tell me that the guide is the end all determining factor for any card's value. I'll show you proof it's not. I'll show you feedback that others don't agree with you.
Too many loopholes. Its all a play with words and hype. Yes, it sucks.
Dear Group, I have to admit that this is the most interesting thread that I have read in sometime. All this talk about lawyers and cards got me thinking; what would Marshall Fogel, John Branca and Charles Merkel think of Nomar5378's selling practices. I did a general search on google for "nomar5378" and came across this:
layman-on-joe Member
Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 59 Anyone remember ebayer 'plichtas'?
I had bought several joes from this seller about 5 months ago and never received mine. I received full refund from paypal and he(or she) has been suspended few days later. I saw that time numerous negative feedbacks left him. fortunately(?) I found very dubious ebay I.D**nomar5378**, I can't sure this is 'plichtas' but you guys can verify who is this user. have a wonderful day!
I too was curious about Nomar5378 and so I emailed him/her with the following:
"Please confirm that the card for auction is a PSA 9OC and not a PSA 10. Thank you."
This is the response that I received.
"I have inspected the card and deem it a 10 in my professional opinion. I have had many bad experiences with PSA graders. I have had Mint 9's with dings and 7's that look perfect. Grading is very subjective. Sometimes you get someone very anal, sometimes you get someone that is blatenly retarded. All you can hope for is someone who knows what they are doing. Unfortunetly, which is the case with this beautiful card, I got someone who does not know what they are doing.
Thanks, Irena (nomar5378) "
Apparently, Nomar5378 has a standard response to email inquiries...except for the statement that qualifiers do not affect the value of a card.
I think for me, the line is drawn where the buyer inquires further. Does the ebay listing in and of itself constitutes mail fraud under 18 U.S.C. § 1341? Arguable. However, when a buyer inquires further and asks, "I am bidding on this (A PSA 9 OC) and not this (PSA 10)," the seller has an affirmative duty to respond. Saying that the card SHOULD be this because a grader fell asleep...we'll, the other members of the bar will know what I am talking about what I say...move to strike as non-responsive! At the end of the day, who cares who it should be? Yes, grading is subjective. We all have our conspiracy theories about bulk submitters receiving better grades or how the same card can receive a different grade the second time around. However, for me the line is drawn where a seller fails to disclose material information regarding the product being sold, e.g. the card had previously been determined to be trimmed by a professional authenticating company or that regardless of what the SMR says, the card for auction is graded a 9OC as opposed to a 9. As for what it should sell for, SMR is just a guide. I am reminded of that each time I bid on a Goudey. So what it should sell for is just an estimated. What it is represented as is another story.
I realized that this world was unfair when one of my law professors told me this story. He went to a Dodger game once and the guy sitting next to him was grading bar exams. These are the same exams that students had studied literally everyday for 8-10 hours for the past two months and if you fail, your life in put on hold for the next 6 months. The Dodgers were losing and his was obviously very angry. In the mean time he kept on grading the exams determining the fate of some law student. Did it game affect the grades that he assigned to the exam? Who knows! Is this a correct time and place to grade bar exams? Absolutely not! Will the student ever know this? Of course not.
So the person who graded your card, maybe he found out his wife was cheating on him the night before, or maybe he had a death in the family or maybe he found out that he was being sued for sexual harassment. We all hear about athletes losing a step or that some days, the our favorite player just doesn't has it and we suffer a heatbreaking defeat in fantasy football. Do you think this is limited to professional athletes? We all have days where we don't feel light going to work and/or the quality of our work isn't as high as it could be. Heck, I feel like that almost everyday! Regardless, if the person who grader your card came into work the next day angry as hell or dreading looking at another baseball card and graded your card a PSA 9OC, that's what you get and don't try to pass it off for something else, especially when someone asks you to confirm what it is and not what it should be.
Okay, if you made it this far...as I end my letters...thank you for your attention to the foregoing. Should you have any questions or comments, please do not hesitate to post a reply!
Boopotts, thank you for stating the obvious. I find it hilarious that there are like 3 people on the planet that can actually claim to even entertain the prospect that Nomar (Steve) is not committing blatant fraud.
I just received ebay's response from my Nomar complaint that I sent last week.
They said, "while we are a auction house, we don't work like traditional auction houses. We are unable to research or verify each and every item place on our site. We appreciate your concern over this matter, but at this time we see no reason to take action at this time. The best advise we can give is for each buyer to research the item(s) before you bid, in other words "buyer beware".".....
I sent in the complaint about NOMAR selling those trimmed T-206's that he/she bought as such. FWIW!
i've talked with ebay cust "service" a few times, and my experience has been they do not read what you write, rather they skim for keywords, and copy and paste a standard answer. reminds me of that simpsons episode where the lunchlady set off the independent thinking alarm.
Ebay is a joke and is clearly hit or miss. While they told you that they're taking no action on one of the complaints against Nomar, the one I sent them resulted in their pulling his auction. Same language in the ad, different result. Believe me, ebay wants to make money, period. It takes a lot of time and complaints to get a criminal like Steve (Nomar) off of ebay.
I'm impressed he got a response from eBay at all. I've reported dozens of auctions to them for various violations and never gotten anything back other than the standard receipt message.
I think you have to use the keyword spamming and improper auction titles / descriptions in your complaints to Ebay. Complaining about trimmed cards is too subjective for them to take any action.
<< <i>I think you have to use the keyword spamming and improper auction titles / descriptions in your complaints to Ebay. Complaining about trimmed cards is too subjective for them to take any action. >>
Has anybody tried reporting him for invalid contact info? Having invalid contact info is an automatic suspension -- regardless of powerseller status or anything else.
Nicovu Not trying to be a smarta$$ but I would like to see you bring this guy down in court. I would like to see you prove that it is hilarious to think that what he does is blatant fraud in a court of law. I myself was only entertaining the concepts of how he may be able to get around those allegations...I am no attorney (but I did stay at a Holiday Inn) and would truely be interested in seeing what a judge would decide. That could change the face of many auctions and ebay's policies....and would probably be a great thing. Its going to take someone on a real mission to give up their time, money and energy to a small pimple on such a big a$$.
How about some cool wrestling moves...a piledriver? a splash off the top of the garage? a chair to the back? or how about being slammed through a table!?
People aren't really this careless when throwing around large amounts of money, are they? Not looking at the scan when bidding hundreds of dollars?
It's like putting a 1982 Plymouth Horizon out in your yard with a sign that says "2003 Porsche Boxster" -- and selling it for $45,000. Then doing it again with a 1979 AMC Eagle.
This guy is pretty slimy, but he sure is getting some help.
This hobby is too large to expect the police to enforce the law. It falls upon those who care about the hobby to police it, and gather evidence against the darker side of bliss. I am going out on a limb here, but my guess is, it was hobbyists who determined what wiwag was doing, and turned the matter over to authorities?
If we do nothing, we deserve what we will get. Should nomar get busted for this, it will send a warning to the others. Should 4 or 5 get busted, I think many would drop their game and run like roaches in the light.
Unfortunately, that means some may have to make purchases in order to get the evidence needed.
I have been taken for a ride before, myself. And if I ever caught that person, I wouldnt turn him over to the police. And thats all I'll say about that.
Daeyel
Cynical Realist
Banned from the Beckett boards! Do you want to know me?
<< <i>People aren't really this careless when throwing around large amounts of money, are they? Not looking at the scan when bidding hundreds of dollars? >>
But, the point is, which card are you getting? The one in the scan, or one of the ones he mentions in the title, or throughout the auction description? It never specifically says - and yes, I know people who will bid quickly on something (at auction end for example), without studying the scan. He's still trying to mislead people as the very basis for his auctions - and that's sad.
as predicted nomar GOT THE 3 NEGATIVES REMOVED Item repainted. Returned for refund, which never came. Seller won't resp to eml Buyer brownillini ( 149) 27-Jun-05 13:18 5956232586 Follow-up by brownillini: Seller and I solved problem. Refund received. Thanks for taking care of that!! 01-Jul-05 07:36 Rating Withdrawn: Buyer and seller mutually agreed to withdraw feedback for this item. Learn more . 01-Jul-05 07:40
Not as desc'd (repainted). Returned, seller never sent refund. No resp. to eml Buyer brownillini ( 149) 27-Jun-05 13:17 5956226751 Rating Withdrawn: Buyer and seller mutually agreed to withdraw feedback for this item. Learn more . 01-Jul-05 07:35
Repainted. Seller agreed to refund for return. I returned, but no refund came. Buyer brownillini ( 149) 27-Jun-05 13:14 5963732932 Rating Withdrawn: Buyer and seller mutually agreed to withdraw feedback for this item. Learn more . 01-Jul-05 07:35
Well, Nomar has an auction for a 9OC 1952 Bob Addis that has bids up to $600 with over a day left! Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't that a bit high for a 1952 PSA 7 common?
I have "reached" my limit to how many messages I can send to other Ebay members in one day. Do any of my fellow board members want to do the honors?
Feel free to cut and paste this:
Hello, that 1952 Bob Addis card is OFF CENTER and worth nowhere near what the seller claims. This seller is a scammer! PSA deducts 2 full grades value in the SMR when a card has a qualifier, such as OC=OFF CENTER. This seller buys almost exclusively qualified cards and then tries to scam people by listing the value of a non-qualified card. This is deceit at its finest. This seller is a disgrace to the hobby.
Well, I was able to get a couple of the high bidders (around $600) to retract their bids and the card went for $331. That takes at least $270 right out of Nomar's pocket.
What is the SMR on a 1952 Bob Addis in PSA 7? Is $330 a reasonable price? Seems high too me.
Comments
<< <i>Well, when you've got the wild west, oftentimes vigilantes run unchecked. Much like fraudsters on ebay. My money is on those that want to clean up the place -- as opposed to the thieves. I also predict that Nomar is out of business on ebay within a week if we keep complaining. The negs he gave out -- "What is your problem" -- is laughable considering the obvious answer to that question: YOU, IRENA! Oh, and by the way, his name is not Irena...it's actually Steve. >>
Well it's likely that that dummy account will be NARU'ed, and those negatives will be erased as per ebay's policy.
CHECK OUT HIS BUYS...... ALL O/C PSA
mike
And it appears that someone else opened a vigilante account.
Also, him showing positive transactions with similar auctions would pretty much prove his case just by having satisfied customers.
Yes, I would also like to see him get thrown off and gone forever but I dont see it happening. Not only that but look at the money he generates for Ebay and Paypal. Do you think they want to give that up? Not a chance.
I dont think it's of any consequence that he quotes a guide. That could be his defense just as it would be used against him.
As for trying to put a card in the registry
A) Most graded cards dont make it to the registry
Don't get me wrong...I do NOT support this guy. I would love to see him kicked off. I am just stating the reasons I dont see ebay doing anything or a lawsuit going very far. He is riding a thin line but I see him having the advantage.
Unless nomar's just making up the SMR values - and I think you're mistakenly conflating the issues of SMR values and Registry points for qualified cards, nicovu - there's really nothing illegal about listing the guide's prices for 10's and 9's on auctions for 9OC's. If there were, I guess we'd have to file complaints on many respectable auctions too. I'm not even sure that failing to disclose the qualifier in the auction title is a clear violation of eBay's policies. I don't like it and I'd never do it myself, but I personally find it less irritating than all the keyword spamming that goes on.
I think the one area where one could conceivably have a case with eBay against this seller is in his or her use of the Pop Reports in that he or she describes a card as 1/x based on the NQ population of a card. Might work with eBay complaints, but I can't see it getting us far in the legal arena.
And I guess that sums up my take on all this. I can't speak for ndleo, but I don't think anybody here is defending Irena Kielb or whoever happens to be behind these auctions. In fact, I think it's great that this thread has generated so much negative attention for the seller. I also loved the feedback from grays on nomar's profile. I wish more sellers would be so vigilant against seeing their cards end up in nomar's shady auctions. This ultimately is a situation that the collecting community - as cheesy as that sounds - has to address itself through good old fashioned word of mouth. A little vigilante cyberjustice wouldn't hurt either.
Nicovu, I think that example of advertising a PSA 8oc as a PSA 9 would be a completely different story. Apples and oranges. That example I think could constitute some sort of fraud.
Popiel's Pocket fisherman for everyone!
I still dont think the logistics of how he describes the card and SMR holds any water for fraud. Imagine him saying a 9 is a 9 is a 9. Argue it. Tell me that the guide is the end all determining factor for any card's value. I'll show you proof it's not. I'll show you feedback that others don't agree with you.
Too many loopholes. Its all a play with words and hype. Yes, it sucks.
leaves neg stating he was dissapointed that auto was not real!
Steve
Dear Group,
I have to admit that this is the most interesting thread that I have
read in sometime. All this talk about lawyers and cards got me thinking;
what would Marshall Fogel, John Branca and Charles Merkel think of
Nomar5378's selling practices. I did a general search on google for "nomar5378"
and came across this:
layman-on-joe
Member
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 59 Anyone remember ebayer 'plichtas'?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I had bought several joes from this seller about 5 months ago and never received mine. I received full refund from paypal and he(or she) has been suspended few days later. I saw that time numerous negative feedbacks left him. fortunately(?) I found very dubious ebay I.D**nomar5378**, I can't sure this is 'plichtas' but you guys can verify who is this user. have a wonderful day!
J
G.I. Joe Link re: Nomar5378
I too was curious about Nomar5378 and so I emailed him/her with the following:
"Please confirm that the card for auction is a PSA 9OC and not a PSA 10. Thank
you."
This is the response that I received.
"I have inspected the card and deem it a 10 in my professional opinion. I have had many bad experiences with PSA graders. I have had Mint 9's with dings and 7's that look perfect. Grading is very subjective. Sometimes you get someone very anal, sometimes you get someone that is blatenly retarded. All you can hope for is someone who knows what they are doing. Unfortunetly, which is the case with this beautiful card, I got someone who does not know what they are doing.
Thanks,
Irena (nomar5378) "
Apparently, Nomar5378 has a standard response to email inquiries...except for the
statement that qualifiers do not affect the value of a card.
I think for me, the line is drawn where the buyer inquires further. Does the ebay listing
in and of itself constitutes mail fraud under 18 U.S.C. § 1341? Arguable. However, when
a buyer inquires further and asks, "I am bidding on this (A PSA 9 OC) and not this (PSA 10),"
the seller has an affirmative duty to respond. Saying that the card SHOULD be this because
a grader fell asleep...we'll, the other members of the bar will know what I am talking about
what I say...move to strike as non-responsive! At the end of the day, who cares who it
should be? Yes, grading is subjective. We all have our conspiracy theories about bulk
submitters receiving better grades or how the same card can receive a different grade
the second time around. However, for me the line is drawn where a seller fails to disclose
material information regarding the product being sold, e.g. the card had previously been
determined to be trimmed by a professional authenticating company or that regardless of
what the SMR says, the card for auction is graded a 9OC as opposed to a 9. As for what
it should sell for, SMR is just a guide. I am reminded of that each time I bid on a Goudey.
So what it should sell for is just an estimated. What it is represented as is another story.
I realized that this world was unfair when one of my law professors told me this story.
He went to a Dodger game once and the guy sitting next to him was grading bar exams.
These are the same exams that students had studied literally everyday for 8-10 hours
for the past two months and if you fail, your life in put on hold for the next 6 months.
The Dodgers were losing and his was obviously very angry. In the mean time he kept on
grading the exams determining the fate of some law student. Did it game affect the grades
that he assigned to the exam? Who knows! Is this a correct time and place to grade bar
exams? Absolutely not! Will the student ever know this? Of course not.
So the person who graded your card, maybe he found out his wife was cheating on him
the night before, or maybe he had a death in the family or maybe he found out that he
was being sued for sexual harassment. We all hear about athletes losing a step or that
some days, the our favorite player just doesn't has it and we suffer a heatbreaking defeat
in fantasy football. Do you think this is limited to professional athletes? We all have days
where we don't feel light going to work and/or the quality of our work isn't as high as it
could be. Heck, I feel like that almost everyday! Regardless, if the person who grader your
card came into work the next day angry as hell or dreading looking at another baseball
card and graded your card a PSA 9OC, that's what you get and don't try to pass it off for
something else, especially when someone asks you to confirm what it is and not what it
should be.
Okay, if you made it this far...as I end my letters...thank you for your attention to the
foregoing. Should you have any questions or comments, please do not hesitate to post
a reply!
/s/ JackWESQ
Excellent point JackWESQ! And good story about the bar exams!
Yankeemo, he says the PSA SMR FOR THIS CARD IS 'X'. The concept of 'true value' does not come in to play.
Very interesting. This person will be around for a looooong time.
mike
<< <i>Wow - this thread has reached the 100 plateau!!! Compliments of PSA:
Popiel's Pocket fisherman for everyone!
Cool - but I was hoping for the Ginsu knives...
They said, "while we are a auction house, we don't work like traditional auction houses. We are unable to research or verify each and every item place on our site. We appreciate your concern over this matter, but at this time we see no reason to take action at this time. The best advise we can give is for each buyer to research the item(s) before you bid, in other words "buyer beware".".....
I sent in the complaint about NOMAR selling those trimmed T-206's that he/she bought as such. FWIW!
Now back to your regular scheduled program!
brian
GG
<< <i>I think you have to use the keyword spamming and improper auction titles / descriptions in your complaints to Ebay. Complaining about trimmed cards is too subjective for them to take any action. >>
I reported a bunch yesterday under keyword spam.
mike
Not trying to be a smarta$$ but I would like to see you bring this guy down in court. I would like to see you prove that it is hilarious to think that what he does is blatant fraud in a court of law.
I myself was only entertaining the concepts of how he may be able to get around those allegations...I am no attorney (but I did stay at a Holiday Inn) and would truely be interested in seeing what a judge would decide. That could change the face of many auctions and ebay's policies....and would probably be a great thing.
Its going to take someone on a real mission to give up their time, money and energy to a small pimple on such a big a$$.
<< <i>How about if we get Irena on the phone and just smack her!
<< <i>Nicovu
...I am no attorney (but I did stay at a Holiday Inn) >>
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
Today I asked to call 'her.'
Her response in my email box:
"248-505-0826
Thanks,
Steve (nomar5378)"
Do you think the elderly Irena just completed a sex change operation?
It's like putting a 1982 Plymouth Horizon out in your yard with a sign that says "2003 Porsche Boxster" -- and selling it for $45,000. Then doing it again with a 1979 AMC Eagle.
This guy is pretty slimy, but he sure is getting some help.
If we do nothing, we deserve what we will get. Should nomar get busted for this, it will send a warning to the others. Should 4 or 5 get busted, I think many would drop their game and run like roaches in the light.
Unfortunately, that means some may have to make purchases in order to get the evidence needed.
I have been taken for a ride before, myself. And if I ever caught that person, I wouldnt turn him over to the police. And thats all I'll say about that.
Cynical Realist
Banned from the Beckett boards!
Do you want to know me?
<< <i>People aren't really this careless when throwing around large amounts of money, are they? Not looking at the scan when bidding hundreds of dollars? >>
But, the point is, which card are you getting? The one in the scan, or one of the ones he mentions in the title, or throughout the auction description? It never specifically says - and yes, I know people who will bid quickly on something (at auction end for example), without studying the scan. He's still trying to mislead people as the very basis for his auctions - and that's sad.
edit to add: lmao, look at nomars responses to the lousleater negs,
<< <i>I am a POWER SELLER. >>
Nomar is the kind of person you want to "TRAP" and put on display!!!!
mike
Buyer brownillini ( 149) 27-Jun-05 13:18 5956232586
Follow-up by brownillini: Seller and I solved problem. Refund received. Thanks for taking care of that!! 01-Jul-05 07:36
Rating Withdrawn: Buyer and seller mutually agreed to withdraw feedback for this item. Learn more . 01-Jul-05 07:40
Not as desc'd (repainted). Returned, seller never sent refund. No resp. to eml
Buyer brownillini ( 149) 27-Jun-05 13:17 5956226751
Rating Withdrawn: Buyer and seller mutually agreed to withdraw feedback for this item. Learn more . 01-Jul-05 07:35
Repainted. Seller agreed to refund for return. I returned, but no refund came.
Buyer brownillini ( 149) 27-Jun-05 13:14 5963732932
Rating Withdrawn: Buyer and seller mutually agreed to withdraw feedback for this item. Learn more . 01-Jul-05 07:35
I have "reached" my limit to how many messages I can send to other Ebay members in one day. Do any of my fellow board members want to do the honors?
Feel free to cut and paste this:
Hello, that 1952 Bob Addis card is OFF CENTER and worth nowhere near what the seller claims. This seller is a scammer! PSA deducts 2 full grades value in the SMR when a card has a qualifier, such as OC=OFF CENTER. This seller buys almost exclusively qualified cards and then tries to scam people by listing the value of a non-qualified card. This is deceit at its finest. This seller is a disgrace to the hobby.
What is the SMR on a 1952 Bob Addis in PSA 7? Is $330 a reasonable price? Seems high too me.