Remove Nomar5378 from Ebay
nicovu
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We've all complained about this guy ripping people off. Yesterday I got one of his auctions tossed. We need to complain loudly to ebay and sometimes they listen. Here's an easy way to do it. Go to the front page of ebay, bottom left, the section marked "global sites." Go to Australia. Then go find Nomar's auctions. On the Australia page for these items, there is a link at the bottom of the listing called "Report this Item." The make your complaint under "Report a listing policy violation..." Then "Fraudulent listing..." Then "report a listing you think is fraudulent." He will get tossed if we actually complain. He buys cards with qualifiers for 5 bucks and then claims he was 'robbed' and that the card is actually a grade higher - and then he gives a value for the card with either the grade without the qualifier or sometimes has the balls to just lie and give the SMR value one higher than the card --without the qualifier. So, a PSA 9 (OC) which equates to an SMR value for a PSA 7 -- he'll give a value for an SMR 9 or 10 without any qualifiers. He's made a bundle this way and we need to stop him as there are apparently more dumb people on ebay than I thought. Here is a link to cut and paste which will take you right to his listings on the Australia page: Text
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great job on getting that turd's auctions tossed.
Please, Steve-- there's no reason to call anyone a name. It isn't productive, and it ultimately cheapens the spirit of the forum.
Steve
Steve, calling this piece of crap a "turd", isn't productive. The proper term is dirt bag punk.
Always looking for 1957 Topps BB in PSA 9!
Choosing one such seller and making it your mission to get his auctions tossed, one at a time, is admirable. As long as you realize that even if you get so many of his auctions tossed that he gives up and goes away ... he's one of a thousand, or ten thousand, or whatever the number is eBay-wide. Sports cards are a very small part of the eBay scamming that goes on. And every day that one scammer stops, a new one starts.
If we're lucky, it's not two for each one who quits. But judging from what we see, I don't think we're that lucky.
I agree, she is a blatant scam artist.
GG
That said, I second your sentiments-- very nice job on getting this clown's auction pulled. Some people must be genetically disposed against actually making an honest buck; the thought must just repel them.
But I digress. I'm actually not sure how I feel about these auctions, or at least how I feel about reporting them to eBay. Obviously, the seller is completely disingenuous, but I'm not sure if these listings are patently fraudulent since the cards are imaged with the qualifiers clearly evident. Yes, eBay would be better off without sellers like this, but I'm not sure if shamelessly preying upon the gullibility of bidders violates any rules, per se. I'd be interested to hear how you got one of nomar's listings bounced, nicovu. Keyword spamming, perhaps?
even in the first line it says its a NM 7 however, unless you look at the card you dont see it has an OC qualifier. Therefore, it is worth a 5. Hence, the lack of bids.
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I think these auctions would be qualified as dishonest, since they quote a PSA 8 (or 9) book price for the cards being auctioned.
<< <i>but I'm not sure if these listings are patently fraudulent >>
I would say they are, based on the Yaz auction that was linked here earlier this weekend (gone now). The card with the qualifier was indeed visible in a scan, but he referred to the card in both the title, and the description, as a PSA 9 MINT (which it clearly was not). I don't recall seeing a statement in the auction saying - "you will receive the card shown in the scan", so one could argue that he was selling a PSA 9 MINT, and delivering something else. In any event, he/she is a seller trying their very best to con people out of their money - call that what you will.
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Expecting a bidder to at least look at the scan before placing a bid is a reasonable expectation. I don't think you can hold Nomar responsible for the laziness of some bidders. The cards Nomar is selling supposely appeal to the more "sophisticated" vintage collector.
<< <i>I doubt ebay will kick Nomar off. His/her feedback is much better than other big sellers (discountcardz for one). >>
No it's not, his feedback appears good since he buys off the negative feedback. When nomar screws someone and they leave a neg, he retaliates, and then gets both removed.
12 negatives that stand and another 38 have been removed, not to mention the ignorant slobs who didn't know they were taken and left positive.
Brian
But, ridding ebay of this type of seller would be a good idea - do we only have laws to protect the smart?
"Justice is blind" - that's to insure equal justice - whether a person is white, black, smart, stupid, sophisticated or not. If we dissect this behavior, IMO, we slide down a slippery slope. One never knows when they are going to have a mental lapse and fall into these types of sales.
Ebay is kind of like the old west - with pockets of lawlessness - we are "all" the deputies of justice - but I can promise that some day this whole thing may implode - I foresee the day when there will be an ebay police department who thru you local sheriff will be knocking on the doors of people who conspire to defraud.
<< <i>Hi Yawie-
I think these auctions would be qualified as dishonest, since they quote a PSA 8 (or 9) book price for the cards being auctioned. >>
Again, I agree that they're dishonest auctions and that this guy or gal will hopefully have to answer for some seriously bad karma, but I don't think they're fraudulent auctions. To me it's one of those situations where there's some disconnect between what's unethical and what's illegal.
That said, ctsoxfan makes a good point in that the listings do not explicitly state that the auction winner will receive the card that is pictured. Perhaps eBay can get the seller on that issue. But for nomar to simply quote SMR values for 10's or 9NQ's doesn't seem like much of a grounds for eBay to yank the auctions.
Hey I wouldn't recommend anyone bid on her cards, but I still don't think there is fraud here. There is definitely questionable marketing, but Nomar wouldn't be the first or the last one to do that.
Stone - I'm not saying that only smart collectors deserve protection, but the cards Nomar sells are not the type that some newbie off the street is going to bid on. Once you talk about grading, SMR, and low population report, your audience is assumed to be smarter than the average collector. I am all for protecting the new collector from people like Nomar, but I really doubt most of her buyers are newbies. Judging by the numbers of buyers with over 300 feedback, I feel that some of these guys agree with Nomar and plan to crack and re-submit.
As for ebay police, you can always go to the Post Office if you believe there is fraud. I don't think ebay really cares unless it hits the bottom line or gets bad publicity.
<< <i>I am amazed about one thing - these are not cheap cards - so who are these people that are dropping this kind of dough without realizing what they are buying?
<< <i>Stone - I'm not saying that only smart collectors deserve protection, >>
ndleo
That statement was meant more general and rhetorical and wasn't directed at anyone - that's why I said I was getting the idea - a general feel - I had commented earlier - quote above - that I was wondering myself about who is bidding on the higher end stuff.
And my comment about equal justice is also generalized - there have been subtle comments made about the "stupidity" factor - altho interesting - with respect to right and wrong and justice - irrelevant IMO.
Unless we were to email these buyers and ask what's on their mind - I, for one, am clueless.
And, again, as a general statement - the type of petty thievery going on in ebay would not be tolerated anywhere else - this is relatively unchartered waters but in real need of a fix. What goes on within collectibles may be the tip of the iceberg?
mike
loth
my first auction was for a 9gb Hard Drive. The person assured me it would work in my macintosh as is.....then i got it.....and it was freaking a 20lb server Hard drive!!!! OBviously it didnt work and at the time 9GB was very tough to come by (i think it was 1997) so i was out 300 dollars!!!! That was the last time i bought without a picture.
In today's ebay world.....EVERYONE LOOKS AT THE PICTURES!!!! ESPECIALLY CARDS!!!!! But we have a case here where this is NOT happening......I DONT GET IT....IT JUST DONT ADD UP
loth
merely an 8oc
Always looking for 1957 Topps BB in PSA 9!
It's great that you want to make a difference, but on a scale of scammers I would put Nomar low on the list. The only he/she is guilty of is hype. If it makes you feel good to clean up the hobby, than you should complain about all of the auctions.
While you're at it, go after discountcardz, they have over 500 negatives. Also you better go after the sellers that put PSA in their titles for non-graded or GAI cards. You may also look into the guys that put 1/1 in their auction for a card that is numbered to 50.
If a seller is putting in a scan of the actual card, I don't have a problem with whatever they want to say. I look at the card and make the call. At the end of the day everyone is responsible for their own actions, I don't think people need protection from themselves.
<< <i>nomars feedback is lousy and 38 mutuals that are withdrawn this is bad by any standard >>
Looks like a long history of overstating what is actually being sold based on those negatives, and now they have branched out into the card market.
People like this hurts the card hobby...whether or not you think the buyers deserve to lose their money, the more shady and dishonest dealers like this, the more and more people that get turned off of the hobby.
<< <i>and how do we know this is a woman again????? AND HAS ANYONE EVER BOUGHT FROM THIS PERSON AND SOLD TO THEM AND THEREFORE HAVE A REAL ADDRESS??? This person from Australia?
loth >>
The PayPal account associated with nomar5378 is registered to Irena Kielb of Milford, Michigan. Though that doesn't necessarily mean that she is truly running the show.
But remember the heshe was "robbed"
Nick
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<< <i>Sellers are not permitted to create titles for their listings that do not accurately describe the item for sale.
Violations of this policy may result in a range of actions, including:
Listing cancellation
Limits on account privileges
Account suspension >>
Well, that is about as clear cut as you can get. The above is from the link to Ebay rules provided by denwd1. Good job.
And, how sad is it to see him bidding on the cards beforehand? It's kind of like watching somebody on a security camera shoplifting.
<< <i>agree w/axtell 100 % also,there was a picture of a girl on her auctions on about me page ,but it is not there now,but i know it was.
If only there were really a girl represented by every picture of a girl on eBay auctions and About Me pages! Too many of these gorgeous girls selling stuff on the Bay are actually bald, fat guys in sleeveless undershirts in Hoboken ... or Australia, as the case may be.
"I have inspected the card and deem it an 8 in my professional opinion. I have had many bad experiences with PSA graders. I have had Mint 9's with dings and 7's that look perfect. Grading is very subjective. Sometimes you get someone very anal, sometimes you get someone that is blatenly retarded. All you can hope for is someone who knows what they are doing. Unfortunetly, which is the case with this beautiful card, I got someone who does not know what they are doing.
Thanks,
Irena (nomar5378) "
Link to Auction
Huh?
<< <i>Stone - I think the root of this issue is collector's expectations between on-line and off-line buying. If Nomar was a dealer at show we all would just laugh and move on. But because this person is on ebay and making a profit by "playing the market", we all want to ban them for life. It seems that a lot of collectors want the security of an off-line purchase at on-line prices. That is not going to happen. You will always have shady characters in the on-line market. It is a trade-off that I accept. >>
ndleo
I don't get it - I buy on ebay with the expectation of receiving goods - if I get a good price - great - if I pay retail - OK - but my expectation is NOT to be robbed or deceived.
The trade-off that you accept should be that on occasion someone takes your money on what looks like a legit sale and goesn't deliver. To sit by and watch people set up auctions that can land the seller in jail is not a risk that anyone should take. Ebay is so large that they really need buyers to help keep it clean.
BTW, do you sell on ebay?
mike
Tell "Irena" HE is blatantly retarded for buying OC cards on eBay and then shortly thereafter telling bidders he was "robbed" by PSA graders on those very cards. He'll figure out how to make his feedback private in a hurry.
As for why people are believing his wheelbarrow full of manure instead of the evidence of the PSA flip, and paying hundreds of dollars over value, I find this very odd. I know we were all a bit gullible as newbies, whether it was at card shows 20 years ago or on eBay 20 months ago. But we weren't THIS gullible, were we?
Another member of these boards is a lawyer in New York, not the city but upstate. I haven't seen him post in awhile, but I hope he sees this thread and weighs in, too.
Oh, and by the way, I emailed Irena to ask if the cards with the qualifiers are equal in value in the SMR as they are without the qualifiers: she/he replied: "Correct." I guess that's not a fraud either, huh?
Loth
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GG
loth
<< <i>good luck finding a prosecuter with the time to add this to their 3,000 cases case load!!
loth!! glad you got a mac baby!!! I'm rollin' on my titanium 12" powerbook!!! we are not alone!!!
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GG >>
GG
This is a reality...and this may even be a defensible infraction...but it definitely is against ebay's rules. I tried reporting some of the auctions but the system was down.
For those who see this as no big deal and there are bigger things to go after rationale - that may be true - but ya don't want life to work that way - at least not in theory.
My take? If we are falling into two different point of view groups here? Must be an age thing.
mike