Where in their [founding fathers] writings do they say this? In the aggregate, quite the opposite is true. A handful were atheistic in their views, but the vast majority of them were deeply religious men, and the teachings of God are woven inextricably throughout both their public and private writings.
If the purported intent of the "founding fathers" is the final word about things Constitutional, blacks would still be only three-fifths of a person and women would not be entitled to vote. Tell me, what "teachings of God" were the "founding fathers" following when they traded human beings like coins?
Further, if board members believe the founders' intent is of paramount relevance to Constitutional interpretation, you must be mightily upset blacks are free and women can vote.
Oh, your not? So that means you rely on the founders' intent, but only when it suits your agenda, in this case religion.
What does it matter anyway? Look at our society. This country confesses faith in God? You'd never know it by the daily living, television, lawlessness, corrupt government officials, media, music, violence and greed. People only want God when it is convient for them. This all from a populous that has a so-called faith in God. It just another thing that lazy people has let their government get away with. The framers of the constitution roll in their graves daily. If they were to live today they'd probably go around a slap as many of us silly as they could. I say remove it as well. If one needs these words on a coin to confirm his/hers faith, then one needs to look more at their beliefs.
<<"People only want God when it is convient for them.">>
Hence my somewhat lukewarm interest in religion. I remember too many folks while I was growing up who would pray next to you during the service and then stab you in the back on the steps on the way out.
I would make an attempt at "heated conversation" but that has already been done in abundance. As I am not one of the way too many Politically Correct Nickempoops, my answer is:
Yes, it should be removed. You could argue until you're blue in the face about what it endorses or who it offends, and you can argue all night that the motto's presence doesn't make anybody believe in god as if everybody is stupid and thinks that it does. Let me lay this out, in the simplest manner possible so that everybody gets it and understands it. Read really slowly and re-read it if you need to:
•The motto is clearly a religious statement. •Coins come from our government. •There is supposed to be a seperation of church and state. •The previous point makes it clear the motto should not be on our coins.
Got it? If not, back up and read those four points again. I made it really really clear for everybody. I didn't leave anything in a gray area that leaves room for arguing.
Now if you still feel I'm wrong, think about this: What if the motto was "In no god we trust." How many of you pro-motto people would be screaming about this? I'd be willing to bet, ALL OF YOU WOULD. Now, to avoid having to make another post, let me just say in advance that if anybody (who is not an atheist) states that having that motto on their country's coinage would not offend them, they are a liar.
Have a day.
P.S. ..........and the notion that the motto "In God We Trust" is religious in nature is laughable. Keets, I hope for the sake of your intelligence that you were being sarcastic. It clearly is religious. There could not be a more blatently religious statement made with just four words.
I've already made my position known quite clearly, but I will simply add that the fact that the motto already exists on modern coinage bothers me less than some others, and I don't see a dire need to "remove" the IGWT motto from existing coinage and currency.
What does bother me is the formalization of the requirement of the motto to the extent that it has to be on all present AND future coinage/currency. That is, if Congress/US Mint should decide to re-issue the Bust dollar and/or the Chain cent as a commemorative coin, there would have to be substantial changes to the design of those coins to add the motto "In God we trust" to be able to issue them as a NCLT coin. The question would then not be about "removing" the IGWT motto as to why the motto has to be "added" to satisfy the requirement.
No, I believe - as many here do - that the motto should remain. Since it doesn't denote allegiance to any particular belief system (and more of a "God as I understand her/him to be") it seems that it more soundly declares that "...all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." Why not keep that single premise alive with the currency that we work for and use to secure those lives, liberties and happinesses?
Just a thought at 3:45 am.
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- - - separation of church and state guarantees us the freedom to practice within our chosen faith and/or belief system without interference from the government, demanding that we practice or believe within any given system specified by governmental bodies; there is no State Religion in this country.
"The truth will set you free, but first it will make you miserable." - James A. Garfield
i was being totally serious and my intelligence is safe and stable. you evidentally don't have a firm understanding of the difference between a clearly spiritual statement----In God We Trust---- and a rigid system of worship----Religion. the motto we're discussing gives no endorsement or rule to anything or anyone, it simply lays out a plain spiritual precept.
As we contine to throw God out of schools and allow satinism, I think there is a problem. Mention God, get kicked out of school or threated by the ACLU. Do a report on satinism and be hailed as a free thinker. To me there is something wrong when the values of the country are sacrificed so we don't hurt the feelings of 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the population.
Now, I did not say "Christianity," I said "God." Even though our beliefs are different, we still have the same "God."
Using your standard, you should not have played the role of Catholic Chior Member. You should have been offended, and protested that this was allowed in a public school.
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It should be removed. Since money...Those dirty pieces of metal and paper upon which privilege is stamped, has no direct correlation with God; yes, it should be removed...JMO...
What is money, in reality, but dirty pieces of paper and metal upon which privilege is stamped?
Kudos Keets & Fcloud! As our planet is degrading into turmoil due to terrorism over differences in faiths be it Christian, Moslem or whatever it's still a matter of Faith in that which not one of us can absolutely fathom or know for sure. Most of us believe that we are here on Earth for some sort of reason and our legacy here is hopefully for the betterment of our family, friends and civilization in general albeit only "minor" in our personal contribution when considering the global scope of things. If "In God/ Allah/Budda etc. we trust" is so wrong to "waste precious space" on our coinage what would be so appropriate for these trying times? A Viagra or MTV ad? Yes, there should be some separation of "Church and State" but ONLY when we the people make that decision. Of late, with all the terriorism here (911) and abroad, have not one of you personally "prayed" to some sort of God to save you or your family members in the military/police/firemen from harm? "In God we trust" should NEVER be eliminated from our coinage! Our country was founded on the desire for freedom of faith. We are a immensily diverse country due to that and proud of it! The phrase or inclusion on our coinage "In God we trust" also means we appreciate all faiths and respect their nomunclature no matter the language. I, for one ,hope it stays!
Of course our National Motto should be on our coins. I can't think of a better place to display it. Our coins are used by the citizenry everyday and what a great method to remind us of our motto. Our money is also used throughout the world and is more widely recognized than any other coinage. We should display our National Motto as often as possible. Should "Liberty" be removed as well? Those who feel that "In God We Trust" should be removed are confusing the issue here. Like it or not, "In God We Trust" is our National Motto by an act of Congress. You need to get the Motto changed, not have the National Motto removed from our coinage. Oh....and good luck trying.
Personally, I don't care either way. I think it looks fine with the phrase, and looked fine without it. People who get worked up about it on either side of the issue need to simmer down. Your life isn't adversly affected whether or not your coins and currency say "In God we Trust."
Yes, that's right.. In God I do Trust, but I know that, and that's what matters most to me. Whether it says that on my currency, I really couldn't care. But since it's there, I don't see any point in removing it either.
It was added during the McCarthy anti-Communist athiest Soviet fervor, so remember that was the context for it's inclusion on currency. But I really don't see the point in removing at this point.. no big deal.
"Blessed are those who trust in the Lord, whose trust is the Lord." Jeremiah 17:7
"Do not put your trust in princes, in mortals, in whom there is no help." Psalm 146:3
"Happy is the nation whose God is the Lord, the people whom he has chosen as his heritage." Psalm 33:12
I pray for anyone who disputes these truths, God has blessed America people, PRAISE him for it. Amen! Joe P.S. Remember it's freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM it!
Yes, yes, Fatman, you are correct. Those that want the motto off the coins & currency are just off the mark. Should we remove the pyramid with the all seeing eye? I'm not a mason, nor do I believe in any of the ancient Egyptian religions, but I don't find the symbols on it offensive.
<< <i>And, yes there should still be prayers in school! Society would be much better if God wasn't kick out!
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No way... prayer can be in private, religious schools--I have no problem with that. >>
We prayed in school when I was a kid - look at all the harm that did.
We did a lot of stuff in school when I was a kid, that if we had continued doing, perhaps the world wouldn't be the mess it is today.
As an aside, you (Jeremy) are opposed to religon in public school. The flag of Israel which adorns your posts - is it representative of the nation or religon?
"I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather did, as opposed to screaming in terror like his passengers."
In God We Trust should absolutely be removed from all coins, currency, and other government printings/buildings/etc... Nobody should have religion forced upon them in this free country. I support 100% seperation of church and state.
Keets, Normally I look forward to seeing what you have to say in your posts. In this topic, however, you're just off the mark. When one has nothing of substance to say, they resort to using semantics in an argument, as you have. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. -Robert
p.s. you didn't respond to my hypothetical either ... what would your reaction be if the motto on our coinage was "in no god we trust"? You'd be offended wouldn't you?
<< <i>p.s. you didn't respond to my hypothetical either ... what would your reaction be if the motto on our coinage was "in no god we trust"? You'd be offended wouldn't you? >>
The majority of folks would be offended by "In No God We Trust"
a very small minority wants to do away with "In God We Trust"
should the vast majority do without just to appease a very small minority, or should the small minority learn to live with it, until such time as the small minority can sway public opinion to make themselves the vast majority?
"I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather did, as opposed to screaming in terror like his passengers."
Frank, Are you suggesting that if the majority of the people want something a certain way, that they're right? If there was a vote, today, on whether speed limits should be raised by 20mph on all roads across the country, I'm sure it would pass with flying colors. That doesn't mean it's wise or right to do so, however. -Robert
Frank I didn't realize your question was literal. In this case yes I believe the majority of people should learn to live without IGWT on the coinage. I think the teaching is there in just about every religion, maybe not word-for-word, but I believe the concept is present, to "do unto others as you would have others do unto you"....since you already answered that most people would be offended by "in no god we trust" then I take it you don't like to have atheists push their beliefs onto you. Then why do you insist on doing it to others?
I was brought up a 3rd generation agnostic. When I was collecting coins as a kid I didn't understand the "In God We Trust" slogan. I didn't trust in God, nor did my Mom or Dad, sister or brother, grandparents, aunts, uncles... So I couldn't figure out who this "We" was that the coins referred to. U.S. coins are symbolic of American values and virtues. Seeing the slogan on these coins made me feel like my family was less American than folks who believed in God, which they are not.
My favorite US coin is a 1908 St. Gaudens without the "In God We Trust" slogan.
Atomic
p.s. I'm not scarred for life or anything. I don't care for the slogan, but I don't feel compelled to do anything about it. I have a friend who was brought up in an ultra religious family who is now radically anti-religious. He rants at length about the IGWT slogan, especially after a couple of beers. Me, I prefer to rant about things that have more imact on me, like Bush's economic policies.
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<< <i>Frank I didn't realize your question was literal. In this case yes I believe the majority of people should learn to live without IGWT on the coinage. I think the teaching is there in just about every religion, maybe not word-for-word, but I believe the concept is present, to "do unto others as you would have others do unto you"....since you already answered that most people would be offended by "in no god we trust" then I take it you don't like to have atheists push their beliefs onto you. Then why do you insist on doing it to others? >>
you are entitled to your opinion that the majority should bend to the whim of the minority, misguided as it may be.
I don't want atheist beliefs foisted on me, but if I lived in a country where atheists were the majority, I would have to learn to live with it - or move - or change public opinion at the grassroots level and build a nation of non-atheists.
For the time being, In God We Trust adorns our coinage, and I think it's a good thing.
"I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather did, as opposed to screaming in terror like his passengers."
We need more religion, not less in our society. We keep trying to please those who don't believe in God. What about the majority who do believe, don't we get any say?
Of course you get a say. Do whatever you want. Build churches, pray, go all out. But keep it seperate from the government as the government should be neutral and fair to all parties with or without a religion. People have no choice but to deal with currency, go to school, etc. If you want to build a church, have a gathering in your house, or whatever, that's fine, as long as people have a choice to NOT go to it. Force it on people, however, and you're flat out wrong, no matter how much in the majority you are.
Frank you are entitled to your opinion that the majority should bend to the whim of the minority, misguided as it may be. There was a time when the majority of people were in favor of slavery. I suppose the minority who were opposed were wrong, too. You're entitled to your opinion that the majority is always correct and entitled to what they want, misguided as it may be.
<< <i>There was a time when the majority of people were in favor of slavery. I suppose the minority who were opposed were wrong, too. You're entitled to your opinion that the majority is always correct and entitled to what they want, misguided as it may be. >>
well actually Robert, in your misguided attempt to disprove my position - you made my point for me.
You see, the majority were in favor of slavery. Those opposed changed public opinion at the grassroots level and slavery was abolished, which was the part of my statement you conveniently left out.
thanks for playing.
"I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather did, as opposed to screaming in terror like his passengers."
No.... "In God We Trust" is a religious motto, however it does NOT, I repeat, does Not conflict with the separation of church and state this country was founded on.
Let's put, In God We Trust on every building, sign and document. Let's even add "One nation, under god" Remember that beautiful motto? This nation was founded and survives by faith in God. No grey area here.
<< <i>I support 100% seperation of church and state. >>
You can not have 100% separation of church and state. Atheism is a religion, agnostisism is a religion. Belief in aliens is a religion. Scientology is a religion.
Many do not remember from their studies that "The Church" was a very powerful political system used to keep kings and lords in power and downtrod common citizens.
As many have said, there is freedom of religion in this country, but not freedom from religion. The senate and house pray every day, there is a reverend (or chaplain or something) on the payroll and all over the armed services. Moses and the ten commandments adorn the Supreme Court building (Moses is Jewish by the way, as are the Ten Commandments)
In God We Trust should remain on our money. The money is backed by NOTHING else but our faith in the US system. When people look at their money it no longer says "Silver Certificate" and our circulating coinage doesn't have precious metal backing.
This is yet another onslaught of the war to remove God from the USA. The liberals are waging war against decency and morality in this country.
The most precious of all, the unborn are being murdered for convenience but this word is too harsh for the liberals, no lets call it a medical procedure instead.
Prayer in school is now forbidden thanks to the liberals.
One nation under God. Nope the liberals changed that too!
The liberals destroyed an Alabama Justice because he broke the law according to them by not removing the Ten Commandments but the liberals cheer the Gay marriages being performed in California even thou it is against California law and the majority of this country is against same sex marriage.
Say anything against Gays or affirmative action and the liberals label you a Homophobe or a Racist.
The liberals are trying their best to condemn the movie The Passion as something horrible yet they promote and stand behind all the filth on TV and the internet.
Laws are being passed by liberal groups that 80% of this country are totally against.
Wake up America before the liberal political machine destroys everything this country stands for.
You know what? Maybe our coins should be dateless. After all, isn't our measurement of date based on the BC/AD belief in the birth of Christ? Other religions have different calenders but it's the Christian belief that rules the dates on coins. Why isn't that offensive, or is it just that people want to tackle the motto first?
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If the purported intent of the "founding fathers" is the final word about things Constitutional, blacks would still be only three-fifths of a person and women would not be entitled to vote. Tell me, what "teachings of God" were the "founding fathers" following when they traded human beings like coins?
Further, if board members believe the founders' intent is of paramount relevance to Constitutional interpretation, you must be mightily upset blacks are free and women can vote.
Oh, your not? So that means you rely on the founders' intent, but only when it suits your agenda, in this case religion.
Hence my somewhat lukewarm interest in religion. I remember too many folks while I was growing up who would pray next to you during the service and then stab you in the back on the steps on the way out.
No. And just a reminder: Separation of church & state is NOT in the Constitution.
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As I am not one of the way too many Politically Correct Nickempoops, my answer is:
NO!
al h.
•The motto is clearly a religious statement.
•Coins come from our government.
•There is supposed to be a seperation of church and state.
•The previous point makes it clear the motto should not be on our coins.
Got it? If not, back up and read those four points again. I made it really really clear for everybody. I didn't leave anything in a gray area that leaves room for arguing.
Now if you still feel I'm wrong, think about this: What if the motto was "In no god we trust." How many of you pro-motto people would be screaming about this? I'd be willing to bet, ALL OF YOU WOULD. Now, to avoid having to make another post, let me just say in advance that if anybody (who is not an atheist) states that having that motto on their country's coinage would not offend them, they are a liar.
Have a
P.S.
..........and the notion that the motto "In God We Trust" is religious in nature is laughable.
Keets, I hope for the sake of your intelligence that you were being sarcastic. It clearly is religious. There could not be a more blatently religious statement made with just four words.
What does bother me is the formalization of the requirement of the motto to the extent that it has to be on all present AND future coinage/currency. That is, if Congress/US Mint should decide to re-issue the Bust dollar and/or the Chain cent as a commemorative coin, there would have to be substantial changes to the design of those coins to add the motto "In God we trust" to be able to issue them as a NCLT coin. The question would then not be about "removing" the IGWT motto as to why the motto has to be "added" to satisfy the requirement.
Why not keep that single premise alive with the currency that we work for and use to secure those lives, liberties and happinesses?
Just a thought at 3:45 am.
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- - - separation of church and state guarantees us the freedom to practice within our chosen faith and/or belief system without interference from the government, demanding that we practice or believe within any given system specified by governmental bodies; there is no State Religion in this country.
Seperation of church and state.
On a side note: Don't they say that money is the root of ALL EVIL? Why would GOD want to be associated with that?
09/07/2006
i was being totally serious and my intelligence is safe and stable. you evidentally don't have a firm understanding of the difference between a clearly spiritual statement----In God We Trust---- and a rigid system of worship----Religion. the motto we're discussing gives no endorsement or rule to anything or anyone, it simply lays out a plain spiritual precept.
al h.
If the founding fathers wanted complete separation, why does the house and senate start out with prayers?
They pray every morning to open the house and senate, while trying remove God from everyone's lives!
Today is Sunday, go to church it may do some good.
And, yes there should still be prayers in school! Society would be much better if God wasn't kick out!
Check my sig line. I am not afraid to mention "God" he is the Father of my Savior.
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<< <i>And, yes there should still be prayers in school! Society would be much better if God wasn't kick out! >>
No way... prayer can be in private, religious schools--I have no problem with that.
As we contine to throw God out of schools and allow satinism, I think there is a problem. Mention God, get kicked out of school or threated by the ACLU. Do a report on satinism and be hailed as a free thinker. To me there is something wrong when the values of the country are sacrificed so we don't hurt the feelings of 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the population.
Now, I did not say "Christianity," I said "God." Even though our beliefs are different, we still have the same "God."
Using your standard, you should not have played the role of Catholic Chior Member. You should have been offended, and protested that this was allowed in a public school.
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Anyone for "DEO EST GLORIA" like on the patterns??
In politicians we trust??
who get worked up about it on either side of the issue need to simmer down. Your life isn't adversly
affected whether or not your coins and currency say "In God we Trust."
Yes, that's right.. In God I do Trust, but I know that, and that's what matters most to me. Whether it says
that on my currency, I really couldn't care. But since it's there, I don't see any point in removing it either.
It was added during the McCarthy anti-Communist athiest Soviet fervor, so remember that was the context
for it's inclusion on currency. But I really don't see the point in removing at this point.. no big deal.
Jeremiah 17:7
"Do not put your trust in princes, in mortals, in whom there is no help."
Psalm 146:3
"Happy is the nation whose God is the Lord, the people whom he has chosen as his heritage."
Psalm 33:12
I pray for anyone who disputes these truths, God has blessed America people, PRAISE him for it. Amen!
Joe
P.S. Remember it's freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM it!
You are correct that "IN GOD WE TRUST" was on our coins long before that, however, Congress did not make it our National Motto until the mid 1950's.
Yes, yes, Fatman, you are correct. Those that want the motto off the coins & currency are just off the mark. Should we remove the pyramid with the all seeing eye? I'm not a mason, nor do I believe in any of the ancient Egyptian religions, but I don't find the symbols on it offensive.
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<< <i>And, yes there should still be prayers in school! Society would be much better if God wasn't kick out!
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No way... prayer can be in private, religious schools--I have no problem with that. >>
We prayed in school when I was a kid - look at all the harm that did.
We did a lot of stuff in school when I was a kid, that if we had continued doing, perhaps the world wouldn't be the mess it is today.
As an aside, you (Jeremy) are opposed to religon in public school. The flag of Israel which adorns your posts - is it representative of the nation or religon?
Normally I look forward to seeing what you have to say in your posts. In this topic, however, you're just off the mark. When one has nothing of substance to say, they resort to using semantics in an argument, as you have. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
-Robert
p.s. you didn't respond to my hypothetical either ... what would your reaction be if the motto on our coinage was "in no god we trust"? You'd be offended wouldn't you?
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<< <i>p.s. you didn't respond to my hypothetical either ... what would your reaction be if the motto on our coinage was "in no god we trust"? You'd be offended wouldn't you? >>
The majority of folks would be offended by "In No God We Trust"
a very small minority wants to do away with "In God We Trust"
should the vast majority do without just to appease a very small minority, or should the small minority learn to live with it, until such time as the small minority can sway public opinion to make themselves the vast majority?
Are you suggesting that if the majority of the people want something a certain way, that they're right? If there was a vote, today, on whether speed limits should be raised by 20mph on all roads across the country, I'm sure it would pass with flying colors. That doesn't mean it's wise or right to do so, however.
-Robert
I didn't realize your question was literal. In this case yes I believe the majority of people should learn to live without IGWT on the coinage. I think the teaching is there in just about every religion, maybe not word-for-word, but I believe the concept is present, to "do unto others as you would have others do unto you"....since you already answered that most people would be offended by "in no god we trust" then I take it you don't like to have atheists push their beliefs onto you. Then why do you insist on doing it to others?
My favorite US coin is a 1908 St. Gaudens without the "In God We Trust" slogan.
Atomic
p.s. I'm not scarred for life or anything. I don't care for the slogan, but I don't feel compelled to do anything about it. I have a friend who was brought up in an ultra religious family who is now radically anti-religious. He rants at length about the IGWT slogan, especially after a couple of beers. Me, I prefer to rant about things that have more imact on me, like Bush's economic policies.
Vladimir: That's what you think.
- Samuel Beckett, Waiting For Godot
<< <i>Frank
I didn't realize your question was literal. In this case yes I believe the majority of people should learn to live without IGWT on the coinage. I think the teaching is there in just about every religion, maybe not word-for-word, but I believe the concept is present, to "do unto others as you would have others do unto you"....since you already answered that most people would be offended by "in no god we trust" then I take it you don't like to have atheists push their beliefs onto you. Then why do you insist on doing it to others? >>
you are entitled to your opinion that the majority should bend to the whim of the minority, misguided as it may be.
I don't want atheist beliefs foisted on me, but if I lived in a country where atheists were the majority, I would have to learn to live with it - or move - or change public opinion at the grassroots level and build a nation of non-atheists.
For the time being, In God We Trust adorns our coinage, and I think it's a good thing.
Sad
Tom
Of course you get a say. Do whatever you want. Build churches, pray, go all out. But keep it seperate from the government as the government should be neutral and fair to all parties with or without a religion. People have no choice but to deal with currency, go to school, etc. If you want to build a church, have a gathering in your house, or whatever, that's fine, as long as people have a choice to NOT go to it. Force it on people, however, and you're flat out wrong, no matter how much in the majority you are.
Frank
you are entitled to your opinion that the majority should bend to the whim of the minority, misguided as it may be.
There was a time when the majority of people were in favor of slavery. I suppose the minority who were opposed were wrong, too. You're entitled to your opinion that the majority is always correct and entitled to what they want, misguided as it may be.
<< <i>There was a time when the majority of people were in favor of slavery. I suppose the minority who were opposed were wrong, too. You're entitled to your opinion that the majority is always correct and entitled to what they want, misguided as it may be. >>
well actually Robert, in your misguided attempt to disprove my position - you made my point for me.
You see, the majority were in favor of slavery. Those opposed changed public opinion at the grassroots level and slavery was abolished, which was the part of my statement you conveniently left out.
thanks for playing.
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Let's put, In God We Trust on every building, sign and document. Let's even add "One nation, under god" Remember that beautiful motto? This nation was founded and survives by faith in God. No grey area here.
<< <i>I support 100% seperation of church and state. >>
You can not have 100% separation of church and state. Atheism is a religion, agnostisism is a religion. Belief in aliens is a religion. Scientology is a religion.
Many do not remember from their studies that "The Church" was a very powerful political system used to keep kings and lords in power and downtrod common citizens.
As many have said, there is freedom of religion in this country, but not freedom from religion. The senate and house pray every day, there is a reverend (or chaplain or something) on the payroll and all over the armed services. Moses and the ten commandments adorn the Supreme Court building (Moses is Jewish by the way, as are the Ten Commandments)
In God We Trust should remain on our money. The money is backed by NOTHING else but our faith in the US system. When people look at their money it no longer says "Silver Certificate" and our circulating coinage doesn't have precious metal backing.
my quick answer is "no". Leave it on the coinage.
BTW, the majority of our forefathers were Deists...
John
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Perhaps I was correct.
Would ya'll fell the same way if a Government put In Allah we Trust on their coins?
How about on US Coins?
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The most precious of all, the unborn are being murdered for convenience but this word is too harsh for the liberals, no lets call it a medical procedure instead.
Prayer in school is now forbidden thanks to the liberals.
One nation under God. Nope the liberals changed that too!
The liberals destroyed an Alabama Justice because he broke the law according to them by not removing the Ten Commandments but the liberals cheer the Gay marriages being performed in California even thou it is against California law and the majority of this country is against same sex marriage.
Say anything against Gays or affirmative action and the liberals label you a Homophobe or a Racist.
The liberals are trying their best to condemn the movie The Passion as something horrible yet they promote and stand behind all the filth on TV and the internet.
Laws are being passed by liberal groups that 80% of this country are totally against.
Wake up America before the liberal political machine destroys everything this country stands for.
It makes me sick!!!
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You know what? Maybe our coins should be dateless. After all, isn't our measurement of date based on the BC/AD belief in the
birth of Christ? Other religions have different calenders but it's the Christian belief that rules the dates on coins. Why isn't that
offensive, or is it just that people want to tackle the motto first?
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