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ebay will be in Oklahoma City for the 2025 World's Fair of Money - Booth 832
MsMorrisine
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are you going to talk to them?
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I'd love to talk to them about counterfeits and why ai is determining there is no violation when text and pictures are provided
I'd ask them why can't places like pcgs and cac and more can't report, directly to ebay, counterfeits of their items
why i've reported coins with copy on them and others listed as gold eagles where the description says "plated" and my report is rejected
etc
and ask them what they are selling with these ads:
complete my collection of what? gilliigan's island characters?
I still like dawn wells best on that show 😊
I,'m sure Mrs. Howell got to a lot of members here at one time.😀
Why? (does eBay plan to be there).
I'm going to try to talk to them there.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
When you guys talk to eBay, please be polite and respectful. Please do NOT threaten them with physical violence nor attempt to take any hostages. Thank you and please provide us with a report of your interaction with them.
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"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Fortunately, I can't be there...
Be prepared for a long line that will eventually route you to a representative in India.
Yeah... been seeing those ads by ebay on certain websites!! Sorry ebay.... not the type of collection I am working on at this stage of my life! Probable AI at work in some form or manner.
You might as well talk to a brick. They have their business model, and it's working for them. Their standard response to pointing out a counterfeit to them is, "This item is consistent with our policies." That says it all.
Someone just posted this thing, which is in a bogus PCGS holder on another site. I'm sure that it conforms to eBay listing policies. You know you are off to a bad start when it says "Morgan" on the slab label.
It seems to have become acceptable to list any holder company as certified coins now. NNC SEGS NMI and all the other off brands are listed in abundance now.
https://www.autismforums.com/media/albums/acrylic-colors-by-rocco.291/
The booth will surely be staffed by some lower level employees that have no influence on corporate policy at all.
What is the potential of them eventually ending up in a lawsuit (even class action) for allowing counterfeits to KNOWINGLY be sold on their venue?
@MsMorrisine (and all), I was amused by that ad... and grateful that I don't see too many of them. I'll share the secret: ad blockers. (Which a lot of you probably know - but here's how to level up). There's a great ad blocker called uBlock Origin. I originally installed it in my Chrome browser as it was one of the few (the only?) one that blocks annoying YouTube ads. A few months back, Chrome changed its architecture and made it infeasible for uBlock Origin to function. They created a "lite" version but it wasn't as good.
So I downloaded the latest Firefox browser and changed my default browser to Firefox, and promptly installed uBlock Origin. (It asks a few questions at first, which I just take the default on). It blocks TONS of garbage. This reduces your access to hot pictures of Mary Ann and Ginger, of course. But blocking the garbage minimizes frustration and reduces bandwidth/loading time. It's a great tool.
Disclosures: I have no stake in uBlock Origin (or Firefox) but I would recommend them to any friend. (In fact, I installed this combo on my 91-year-old neighbor's PC, even though it meant she had to learn something new, which she tells me is uncomfortable for her). I also am a Windows PC user and I don't know if this solution is available on Apple or mobile phones.
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Perhaps, but I plan to see if I can get a name and contact information for someone who will listen. I understand that it’s a long shot but I look upon this as an opportunity.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Thanks, I don’t think that they will understand your authority in this matter, though. Wear your forum coronation bling, mustard stains on your drawers, and take an updated CV.
" "This item is consistent with our policies." That says it all. "
Yep. And translated, it means something like.... ' Hey, it makes money for us!! Thanks for your concern... but we con't care! '
It has always been acceptable. You are not, however, allowed to is the numerical grade.
What would be nice, would be if we could get Pcgs's table right next door to eBays.
Wayne
Kennedys are my quest...
We had mixed feelings about attending, much less setting up at the OKC ANA. Talked with many others who were hesitating.
OKC and vicinity a “ coin town “ ? Oklahoma and its surrounding area a hub for tornadoes with US weather increasingly unpredictable and devastating in its intensity at ANY time of the year. Direct non-stop flights to OKC few and far between and expensive. Examining the online ANA bourse floor map, as of 2 weeks ago there were quite a few unassigned tables, and up front too.
But, as so many also said, it IS the ANA. So in the end we decided to attend. Hoping for the best.
But, as I previously said, global warming and erratic high intensity destructive weather will increasingly impact the venue choice and frequency of coin and collectable shows.
A few years ago eBay’s table at a Rosemont ANA show had coupons for $10 off (maybe $15). Coins were excluded.
I ended up getting some garden tools with it; thanks eBay.
all 3 were off kitco
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I am from Oklahoma so I am unashamedly biased in favor of this show being held in OKC. With that said, I am also realistic enough to admit that OKC does have it's limitations/drawbacks. However, don't let the fear of severe weather prevent you from attending the ANA in OKC. Most parts of the country have their own unique severe weather issues, whether that be tornados, earthquakes, wildfires, hurricanes, etc. Additionally, while tornados can happen any time, late August is not typically severe weather season in Oklahoma, not to mention that the data suggests "tornado alley" is actually shifting eastward.
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tornado alley is moving east
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What if the booth is manned by AI "people" projected on screens behind the table?
I thought that too. When I used to try to sell a SEGS coin as uncertified it would still get taken down. Now it appears acceptable even in a title.
https://www.autismforums.com/media/albums/acrylic-colors-by-rocco.291/
it appears selling counterfeits is acceptable too.
i've reported a few "obvious violations of replica" policy. coins with "copy" on them(not allowed) and "gold coin!!" but the description says plated but not the coin- the coin has 1oz .999, etc
reports denied! i think i only had 1 success.
Is the easy solution charging for listings? Maybe refund the charge if the item sells?
Just because no one complained or they handbrake yet found it doesn't mean it's acceptable
I imagine it'll just be a booth with a chatbot kiosk and a low-level employee whose only job is to keep it up and running.
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I was told there is a new eBay Numismatic Manager installed but can't get his name or contact info; I am so disgusted with this I now "Don't Care"...
An AI creation?
I'd rather see ACEF's table next to that wretched hive of scum and villainy. For those that do engage, be sure the bot hears "eBay" and "causing harm" in the same sentence with regard to their handling of fakes.
Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
and they need a special report entry for plated coins and other counterfeit bullion.
also, i wouldn't just call them replicas, i'd use counterfeit too, maybe replica is broader? how about "counterfeit holders, stickers and labels?
FYI in case the subject comes up
Judith from eBay's Coin Community Watch group has passed away
https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/toledoblade/name/judith-stair-obituary?id=1740535
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1055726/whatever-happened-to-judith
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a quote from the ANA itself
https://www.money.org/125yearsofcollecting/ (part I)
ebay's report function is now virtually totally useless. they have taken an enormous step backwards. gigantic. galactic.
I was among a group of numismatists who worked with Judith to combat fraud on eBay. She was obviously very dedicated and great to work with. I think things started going downhill as soon as her position was terminated.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Also need a way to report raw coins listed as being certified. I hate that crap crapping up my search results. Like with fakes, when those get reported ebay AI comes back and says it's fine.
http://ProofCollection.Net
Great news!
Shawna, formerly with Blue Moon Coins, will be signing your coin slabs before they go up for auction on her "Shawna's Sexy Numismatic Collectibles" eBay Storefront.
it took me 16 minutes to get a reply once.
perhaps they need some demonstrations of their automated rejection service
Reports rarely accomplish anything these days. However, there has been (and still is) a way to report the practice you described. The practice of including the names of grading companies in listings of ungraded coins falls under the violation of “Keyword Spamming”, which is an option in reporting.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@Pnies20 @pursuitofliberty Ebay reps at ANA - man this takes me back to Pittsburgh
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That was a fun night.
BHNC #248 … 130 and counting.
after the ana maybe you 3 could share stories
ANA members get in free. I am a member, I don't have a membership card, how do I get in?
With a photo identity card, they can probably look your name up on their member list.
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"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
register online?
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