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Something you own, or can reasonably hope to buy one day, in roughly the 10K price range, and tell us a little about it. Can be a US or world coin, banknote, beer can, comic book, baseball card, or any other collectible. My hope is to illustrate how much (or, sometimes, how little) 10K can buy, depending on what one collects.
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
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Interesting thread. I recently bought this one (@ a slight premium due to its exceptional eye appeal). It was one of the final pieces for my basic H10C type set. The “only” one left to complete it is the impossible (for me) 1792 in just about any grade. There are 10 coins in the set, so I consider it complete @ 90%.
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Well, you said anything, and you like World, so I'll cross post a little bit because it just arrived yesterday and I'm still infatuated. It's a bit over $10k but here it is.
Genroku Koban (1695-1710)
This 17.8g coin is one of the two keys to the Koban set. Its issuance marked a severe drop in the gold purity, down to 56.4% from the prior era Keicho's 85.7%. The high silver content allowed for some nice toning and gives this coin a warm orange glow. It's very difficult to find these without chopmarks (or at all) but they give the coin some nice character.
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The PCGS price guide on this one is over $10,000 but I just bought it about a year ago for significantly less than $10,000. I needed a no drapery for my Type sets and it was hard to find a decent one that was affordable. This one popped up on eBay as an auction but had a make offer button, so I quickly made an offer and the seller accepted it. I think I found the auction minutes after the seller posted it.
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I’ll go with a pair of patterns, which will be about 10K for the pair. They’re not especially rare as patterns go, but there aren’t many collectible patterns after 1885 so they’re distinctive in that way.
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This 1793 Half Cent is on the Grey Sheet for $10,000 in VF. It is in an NGC VF-35 holder. It has great color and hard, smooth surfaces, but it has a couple of rim issues.
It was among the first half cents that the first United States mint issued in the summer of 1793. It was the first coin that was patterned after the Libertas Americana medal which commemorated the American and French victory over the British during the American Revolutionary War. It bears the closest resemblance to that medal because Ms. Liberty is facing left. All of the Liberty Cap large cents have her facing right.
The designer's identity is in the air. Some say it was probably Joseph Wright. Others might say Henry Voigt. Whoever it was, it appears that the reverse of the 1793 Half Cent and the 1793 Wreath cent were made by the same hand. There workmanship on the reverse is very similar.
According to Dave Bowers' "Guide Book of United States Type Coins," the number of surviving 1793 half cents is between 535 and 1,050 pieces. That would make it similar in rarity to a 1793 Chain Cent, according to those numbers, but the Chain Cent is more popular and brings higher prices.
"The first half of 1964 was an extraordinary and historic period for the Beatles and they had very little down time. They started off the year with a 3-week residence at the Olympia Theatre in Paris, coming back home to England on February 4th, and barely with enough time to catch their collective breath, only 3 days later they left for New York to appear on the Ed Sullivan Show. This 2 week trip also saw them perform live at the Washington Coliseum, then jet down to Miami for a week – during with they taped a few more Ed Sullivan appearances. On March 2nd the Beatles began 6 weeks of filming for their first feature movie “A Hard Days Night”, wrapping up on April 24th, all the while recording some of the songs that would appear on the album of the same name.
Here is a beautifully scripted Beatles autograph set, signed on April 29, 1964 – just five days after completing filming “A Hard Days Night” - and obtained when The Beatles performed live in concert at the ABC Cinema in Edinburgh, Scotland, while on the Spring 1964 U.K. tour. They did two shows that evening: one at 6:30 and one at 8:50. Backstage on this night, a piece of blank off-white index card measuring 6” X 4” was autographed by The Beatles."---Frank Caiazzo
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Just bought. Currently for sale on ebay for $21,000
Out of my league unfortunately.
This is not a value realm in which I comfortably play. However, here's a coin that I own that is near the OP's restrictions.
Here's a profile of Naftzger that was part of the reason I sought this provenance:
"John Kleeberg submitted the following recollections of Ted Naftzger. He writes, "I knew him quite well, although my acquaintance was acquired in an unusual manner - as one of his adversaries in ten years of litigation." -Editor
Roy Edgar (Ted) Naftzger, Jr. was born into two wealthy families of Southern California, the Naftzgers and the Vickers. Naftzger grew up surrounded 360 degrees by rules, which he rebelled against to such an extent that he got packed off to military school.
Naftzger started college at Stanford, but finished up at the University of Southern California in 1948, where he was elected president of his fraternity, Beta Theta Pi. After graduation Naftzger sold insurance.
In 1952 his father died and Naftzger inherited a huge fortune. He never needed to work for a living again, and he didnt - professional managers operated his ranches. Naftzger's life was filled with hobbies: playing tennis, growing roses, deep sea fishing, and flying his private airplane, as well as collecting coins.
Naftzger began by filling a penny board with Lincoln cents. In 1938 a maiden aunt in Freeport, Illinois sent him a box of coins, including large cents.
Naftzger was a secretive man. In March 1938 he joined the American Numismatic Association, although his name and number (6809) were concealed from the membership; the membership list in the Numismatist jumps from 6808 to 6810.
On Saturdays Naftzger worked in the coin shop of Sam M. Koeppel at Eighth Street and Broadway in downtown Los Angeles. Insofar as Naftzger had a mentor, it was Koeppel. In Koeppels shop Naftzger met Howard Rounds Newcomb. Later Naftzger would obtain, via Koeppel, Newcombs library and inventory cards, although he kept his ownership a secret. (The cover of the first Robbie Brown sale by Superior may have photographs of books from Newcombs library.) Naftzger also obtained Koeppels collection of colonial notes; he consigned this to New Netherlands in 1976.
Besides large cents, Naftzger also collected U.S. gold and New Jersey coppers the latter collection was sold to William ODonnell via Tony Terranova, and auctioned by Stacks in January 2001. Naftzger beat out Harry Bass in a competition for an 1815 half eagle. The dealer who bought the coin had obligations to both Naftzger and Bass, and the dealer chose to sell to Naftzger. This would have important consequences.
In the 1990s, when the American Numismatic Society was considering whether to embark on litigation with Naftzger, the board of trustees, dominated by collectors, was dragging its heels until Harry Bass weighed in.
Naftzgers big acquisitions in large cents occurred from 1954 onwards, when he bought the collections of T. James Clarke, James Sloss, Edward Schwartz, Emanuel Taylor, and Ray Gallo. Naftzger would combine the better pieces with his collection and sell off the duplicates under the name of the former owner.
Naftzgers own name never appeared. He concealed himself behind Abe Kosoff, and only emerged more into the open after he and Kosoff got into an argument concerning a prooflike USAOG $20 of 1853, and their friendship ruptured. (But thats a scandal for another day)
Naftzger was perplexed by a problem with the T. James Clarke collection, which he had bought for $30,000 during the 1954 Christmas week. The Clarke collection was in little coin boxes, with the pedigrees marked on the back. When matched against the plates of the auctions, the coins didnt match. Naftzger would puzzle over this question for decades.
At the end of July 1967, Robert S. Carter, a large cent collector and toy dealer, introduced Naftzger to Dr. William Herbert Sheldon, Jr. in Portland, Oregon, where Sheldon spent his summers. As Naftzger got to know Sheldon and his collection, he realized where the missing coins from the Clarke collection had ended up Sheldon had switched out the coins.
In a visit to New York, Sheldon, Dorothy Iselin Paschal and Naftzger visited the ANS and looked at its large cent collection. In the litigation, Naftzger filed affidavit after affidavit denying such a visit, until I searched through decades worth of visitors books and discovered his signature.
On April 19, 1972 Sheldon sold his collection to Naftzger for $300,000. Naftzger figured the collection was really worth $456,000. The collection was cheap because the coins were hot. Sheldon had built up his collection by theft.
Sheldon switched coins from the Williams collection (offered by Abe Kosoff), from the Anderson-Dupont consignment at Stacks, from the T. James Clarke collection, and from the Gaskill collection, as well as his large scale plundering of the ANS collection.
And when Naftzger got the coins back to California, he discovered that Sheldon had fooled him again. Six of the top coins in the collection had been switched out.
He combined the collection with his own and sold off the duplicates in the New Netherlands sale of November 14-15, 1973. Although Naftzger would later claim that this sale was made without any reserves, He bought in pieces he thought were going too cheap. Naftzger netted $281,000, but his cost basis was so low that he still showed a profit. In effect, Naftzger had substantially improved the quality of his collection for a net cost of only $19,000.
Naftzger kept his ownership secret until 1991. In that year Bill Noyes published a photo book of the finest large cents, built around Naftzgers collection. Now the ANS could plate match Naftzgers coins to its own records, and saw that Sheldon/Naftzger possessed many of the Clapp/ANS coins.
The ANS proposed to Naftzger to discuss how the matter could be resolved with fairness and dignity. Naftzger refused all overtures and did his best to squelch any attempts by the ANS to reach out to the large cent collecting fraternity, EAC, with similar offers.
Naftzger sold his frontline collection of early date large cents in February 1992 in a transaction that netted him $6.8 million, and bought another ranch with the money. Shortly after that he commenced a lawsuit against the ANS in California. Early in 1996 the California Court of Appeals ruled against Naftzger on his statute of limitations argument. With neither the facts nor the law in his favor, Naftzger should have settled then; but this was not a normal lawsuit, and Naftzger was not a normal litigant. Extensive discovery ensued, followed by a trial, followed by appeals. Litigation continued into the twenty-first century until Naftzger finally returned the cents.
Naftzger always wrote in green ink, using green Pentel pens. I dont know why he chose green perhaps a reaction to Walter Breens use of purple ink. Even his stationery was printed in green. It is true that he would send valuable coins through the regular mails. He would wrap a cent between two pieces of cardboard, put it into an envelope marked PHOTOS DO NOT BEND in green ink and drop the envelope in a mailbox. He did not send coins registered mail because that would require a trip to the Beverly Hills Post Office, where there was insufficient parking space.
Many people in EAC were referred to by nicknames invented by C. Douglas Smith Jaws East, Jaws West, the Mad Monarch. Naftzgers nickname was God; Naftzger reveled in this nickname, partly because he lived in the Los Angeles neighborhood of Mount Olympus. Occasionally Naftzger would sign letters with his nickname spelt backwards DOG.
Litigation with Naftzger was a bizarre experience. He scrawled all over the deposition transcript that was sent to him for correction, changing a number of answers that read yes to no, each time in that strange green ink. (Deposition testimony and the corrections are provided under penalty of perjury, so changing the answer yes to no can have serious legal consequences.)
His memory lapses in his deposition (which lasted three days) and in the 1997 trial (which lasted a month) were more convenient than credible. His denials on the witness stand were so bizarre that the judge put her head in her hands. But as the years went on not all his memory lapses were strategic. It was Alzheimers, or a closely related form of mental degeneration, that brought about his death."
(edit to credit source: https://nnp.wustl.edu/library/periodical/9414 )
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A well-struck 63 sold for $15K back in 2011 (the $15K coin may have been an AU 63!!-given a pass for luster and strike, so GLAD that I PASSED!!).
Another NGC graded 63 (not as nice as mine) sold for over $24K, back in 2017, at Stacks-Bowers. My bid was blown out of the water!! It is a PCGS 64, now.
I got this 63 in 2018. Paid MUCH less than I was willing to. Paid over $10K, though, (after negotiation). This coin scores a one-in-a-million for strike and originality. Not sure if the dealer knew what he had.
I also bought my 1917-D Rev., 1921-D 64, and 1917-S Obv. 64 from same dealer. My 1917-S Obv. looks 65 and I paid HALF of what a scruffy, flat, 64 sold for, at Heritage, in that same year.. I saw that dealer last year at the ANA WFoM and wanted to tell him about my set and how much I APPRECIATED the coins that I got from him over the years. But he was REAL rude and gave me the brush-off. There was A LOT of talk about meetups and such with board members but nobody ever followed through. I flew in on business, so I didn't mind walking the floor for 4 hours, on a Friday, by myself. I DID meet @MrEureka and had a GREAT conversation with him. He showed me a COOL error that I will post when I find the image.
Here it is! It was nice talking to you that day, Andy! This one is worth about $10K X 4 LOL.
Also saw @PTVETTER very briefly but he was in a rush to get back to his table. He DID tell me about his latest Mercury Dime upgrade, which was interesting to hear.
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Great write up about Naftzger Catbert.
As a recent Beatles fan, I find that really really cool!
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10k is a little bit out of my price range/comfort zone however, I own a few things that are that much, or more mostly because I was at the right place at the right time and got good deals on these things…
As I call it “The Fish Tray” Is an ice cream dish made by Gorham in 1883.
All of the work is completely done by hand. It is a literal masterpiece in Silver, however, I paid much much less when I bought it back in 2012.
I didn’t know how good of an item I was buying. I figured it was a good deal, but I was astonished about a year later when I found out it’s true value, I paid around 825? I can’t remember the exact number anymore, but it was based purely on the Silver price at the time.
A little over a year later, a dealer offered me exactly 10 grand just going off of a photograph:
It weighs around 30 ounces, but from what I understand in the right auction, it could potentially be worth significantly more, I’ve kept it all these years because it is exactly the type of silver I like to collect and it’s one of the only true masterpieces I can own given my financial situation.
It’s an honor to be the caretaker of this piece for the time being.
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That’s gotta be worth a fortune in today’s market!!!
Especially, since it’s all signed at the same time, in the same ink and includes Lennon’s signature.
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Outstanding PF-65 Cam, CAC Trade Dollar....Right in your price range. These normally don't come anywhere near as nice.
A few of my coins in my 12 piece gold type set, years ago were10 grand or more, but that doesn’t really count, I guess the only other coin I have that’s worth more is the Turban Head $10
Wholesale is around 14K, I think retail is 20K so I know it’s worth somewhere in that range. I did a big bullion trade to pull this one off.
Going on what I had in the Silver that I traded, my cost on this piece is 8300? I know it’s an approximate guess and again, out of my price range typically, but it’s an honor to be the caretaker of this coin. I’ve had it about three years now.
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This denarius of Augustus and a triumphal arch was a hair under $10K and probably the finest known of the type. The depicted arch is believed to be the single span arch originally erected in the Roman forum and here clearly dedicated to the victory of Octavian over Antony and Cleopatra. This arch was later replaced by a triple span arch, which is also depicted on coins of Octavian/Augustus.
These 3 from my set are around that price range.
XF45 and #4 in the condition census.
XF40 and lowest total population of San Francisco seated quarters.
VF20 and the most common of the 1870-73cc seated quarter rarities.
Well, 10k originally but well over 35k now.
This is a pattern for a "Peace" crown, struck in 1926 and not even in the Royal Mint collection until Sir Charles Osman donated one to them many years later. Likely less than 3 outside the Royal Mint, not sure if the Royals in GB have this in their collection.
I actually had two of them but had to sell one some years ago, and retained that which came down through the widow (along with the other 5 pattern silvers for the upcoming new coinage of 1927 - not accepted as these were awarded to Kruger-Gray) of the original designer - Derwent Wood. This was translated and engraved under Humphrey Paget. Rarrisimo might be a term for it.
Well, just Love coins, period.
Back in the early 70’s, my brother had a copy of X-Men #1. I was more of a Spider-Man and Hulk fan, but he loved X-Men. Anyway, it was the most valuable comic book either one of us owned at the time, worth about $20 IIRC.
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My dad had amazing fantasy 15, the first appearance of Spider-Man. My grandma threw it away because she didn’t like the monsters.
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I went searching for a coin to choose and came across a picture of a row of books which worth probably about $10k
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You don't want to know what AF 15's sell for...
And even worse what they did sell for just a few years ago at the peak for SA books before things cold down a lot. Back then a 6.5 sold for 225 000$+. Now things are back down to Earth but still not a cheap book.
I do know and it will be for more than my inheritance, not that that matters
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If this can make you feel any better Golden Age is were you want to be there are just to many copies of Silver Age keys. I have been following the comic book market since about 1990. What happened a few years back will likely not happen again price wise for SA keys people just flood the markets with sales and it pushes prices down. GA rarity makes sure that does not happen. There are grade rarities for the SA.
I own two kidneys, but would only consider parting with the lower graded one.
Here we have a commissioned casket designed and executed by Walter Scherf and Co., Nurnberg circa 1903 in the German Jugendstil style. Made for the retirement of the commanding general der Infantry, 5th division, Hermann Ritter von Haag. Mixed metals, pewter with gold wash applied, sterling top, burl walnut inlays. The top, inside presentation and battle dates are all had chased. Inside panel is a birds eye view of Nurnberg. It weighs in at 17 lbs. Battle dates are all from his earlier military carrier during the Franco-Prussian war of 1870, 1871. A remarkable piece IMO and unique for sure. I actively collect works by this maker but even the museum in Nurnberg had never seen something like this, though rumored to exist. It should go back to a German museum; assuming they still want it.
Here are two. One over $10k one under $10k from acquisition.
P55 believed to be the junior cousin from the Bowers Merena sale of Bass Jr. III.
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This isn’t $10k but you said roughly and one of the 4 most expensive coins I ever bought, still mine.
OOps photo had location in the metadata.
The trick is to collect things that will rise dramatically in value in the future.
Many years ago I wrote to Neil Armstrong to ask for an autographed picture. For the cost of a postage stamp I got this photo which was for some reason signed but not inscribed as he normally did. It is supposedly one of the Holy Grails of space autographs.
Current value is probably moving toward the vicinity of $5000 on a good day. Someday it will make $10,000.
Exactly what I paid
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1995 Nissan Hardbody pickup V6 XE 4x4.
Market value between 8k-12k
I wish I never sold the CC eagle
A bit north of 10k but closer to 10 than 20.
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Wow!!!
A lot of bang for the buck if you ask me 🤷♂️.
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It is a Fraser. Someday I would like to get a Remington.
Preface to my story: I collect the entire series of Capped Bust Half Dimes by Logan-McCloskey variety: both die marriages and remarriages. There are 124 total. I've been "avid," although some people think I'm "rabid." One of the toughest R7's of the set is the 1832 LM-9.2. I knew of five examples, including the best (AU-58 CAC), and second-best (AU55). In fact, I bid on both of those coins in two separate auctions - but didn't have the funding (or the stomach) to carry my bids to victory. When one of my comrades won the AU55 at auction, he sold me his old set piece, in G4 Details - Cleaned. He'd owned it for fifteen years! I was happy to get it.
Now my story: one day a collector offered an 1832 half dime to a guy I'll call Dealer One. Dealer One sought a confirmation of attribution from Dealer Two. Dealer Two called an expert I'll call, um, Expert. Expert is a friend of mine, and he called me. He said, there's a nice 1832 LM-9.2 in VF and if you want it you better call Dealer One pretty quickly. Which I did! Dealer One had the coin off at PCGS but we struck an agreement in principle. The coin came back VF 30. Then Dealer One and I "got down to brass tacks" as the saying goes and he told me, "Expert said that this is a five-figure coin, you OK with that?" and I replied, "I'm still listening!" I knew Dealer One dealt in good material, so I even inquired as to what else he had in bust half dimes. Two others sounded interesting (one of which, an 1832 LM-10.x, we didn't even know the remarriage of - there are four). But I figured it was a good marriage, whichever remarriage, and Dealer One has a return policy if it turned out to be a dupe I didn't need, so I bought all three.
Below is my 1832 LM-9.2, which fits perfectly in the theme of this thread. Epilog: this coin went on to earn a CAC green sticker. (And the icing on the cake was, the MS64 coin turned out to be LM-10.3, an R6 remarriage, which was a fine upgrade over my previous set piece in AU53). And I ate ramen noodles for the next few months. :-)
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The 10k threshold is one I haven't breached when purchasing Coins or Currency (yet), and I don't think anything else I own has caught up with that mark (yet) ... except this one. I have a few that are worth half the mark, maybe even over half, but this is the star of the stable, price wise.
With a mintage of 47,150, the 1815/2 is the overall key mintage in the Capped Bust Half series, and there is only one Die Marriage for the date. Usually considered the second most difficult overdate behind the infamous 1817/4 (or at least the second priciest one), problem free examples in AU are difficult coins and do not seem to show up often. Sometimes after spartan appearances over a few years, they come available in streaks, as happened over this winter, with three lovely AU's changing hands (including this one).
Mine is the later, slightly more difficult Die State, and PCGS graded her AU53, which I agree with. Last sold publically in 2016 from what I was able to find, she came from Part II of the Hamilton Collection, and had previously been in the Chalkley Collection from 1990. Based on everything I was able uncover, she was really only in those three collections (plus the one I bought her from, a collector who remains anonymous) since at least 1985.
In both of the previous sales she was in a rattler holder at a slightly lesser grade, with the later appearance having a green bean. She had been upgraded when I found her this last winter. The rattler certification (with green bean) is still an active certification. I am going to send her in for JA to review in my next box, as I think it is worthy still at the higher grade.
I was all in for a maybe 15% less than 10.k, but I wouldn't consider selling her for even the full current PCGS guide, which is nearing 15% over.
So, it's what 10.k, plus or minus a coupe grand, looks like to me.
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That is EASILY one of the finest Neil Armstrong signed WSS litho in existence.
This 1854 $2.5 is in the ballpark.
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This 1839-O quarter eagle is on the Grey Sheet for $9,900. It's probably worth more than that because it's a PCGS AU-58 with a green CAC bean. This was the first issued of gold coins from the New Orleans Mint. The dies are rotated 180 degrees (medal turn) which is a characteristic of the die variety.
For those who like Calvin and Hobbes, here is a signed litho of the last comic printed before Bill Watterson’s retirement. These were sent to newspaper editors that he was syndicated in.
Golden Age is scarcer... but also has less demand. The demand is always at least as important as supply.
Couple Gs more than that, gorgeous coin.
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My car used to be worth $10K once. It's ideal security for large coin shows. Nobody will touch it.
This is my wife running a 10K.