@SimonW said:
What was the date of the 1/2 real you bought?
1756 LM JM 1/2R
Do not have any image, the coin now is in transit...Guess that by the end of the week it will arrive.
BTW, I just checked today about the 1/2R, because I placed the order DEC.10.2023 and they told me, that are checking the inventory, and appears that they cannot find the coin. So a problem there to get my money back. Also on the 4R, I tried to buy it and got a problem with the use of my CC, that needed some other step (Similar to an old try out to buy in Spain), so end up closing the buy. In short no coins.
@ELuis said:
BTW, I just checked today about the 1/2R, because I placed the order DEC.10.2023 and they told me, that are checking the inventory, and appears that they cannot find the coin. So a problem there to get my money back. Also on the 4R, I tried to buy it and got a problem with the use of my CC, that needed some other step (Similar to an old try out to buy in Spain), so end up closing the buy. In short no coins.
On both coins I was not lucky, first time happens to me, and on both coins.
Just got a mail with something like this:
Unfortunately, there was an inventory discrepancy and your order was cancelled. We are processing any applicable refund which can take 3-5 business days to reflect. We sincerely apologize for the error and any inconvenience...
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Nevermind me over here drooling over your 2R Lima. @Plus00Vltra that was a strong first post. Welcome! Anyone who collects pillar minors is my friend (and nemesis 😜😂)
Santiago, 1 real transitional, 1791/0. Very rare type with the king's title reading "IV" instead of the usual "IIII". Only 3-4 examples known. ex Medina.
Santiago mint minors in good condition are VERY RARE, specially those bearing the portrait of Carlos III.
If you have any, in any condition, please post them; I would love to see them.
@Eddi said:
Here are some minors from the Santiago mint.
Santiago, 1 real transitional, 1791/0. Very rare type with the king's title reading "IV" instead of the usual "IIII". Only 3-4 examples known. ex Medina.
Santiago mint minors in good condition are VERY RARE, specially those bearing the portrait of Carlos III.
If you have any, in any condition, please post them; I would love to see them.
Eddi it is so rare to see these minors from Santiago but, with that said, your examples are way, way above in quality/originality than the few I have seen.
100% - That's a really special grouping you have there.
Those who's collecting interests lie outside of pillars and portraits just wouldn't be able to appreciate how truly special they are but I certainly do, and I can honestly tell you I am ridiculously jealous. Bravo!
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Hey, thanks all. Despite staying away from social media for as long as possible, l learned in 2023 the importance of forging relationships in the digital sphere. Any significant numismatic research I do online inevitably leads me back here as you all are the go-to fount of knowledge. Thanks again, glad to dive in.
Eddi it is so rare to see these minors from Santiago but, with that said, your examples are way, way above in quality/originality than the few I have seen.
100% - That's a really special grouping you have there.
Those who's collecting interests lie outside of pillars and portraits just wouldn't be able to appreciate how truly special they are but I certainly do, and I can honestly tell you I am ridiculously jealous. Bravo!
I certainly agree, I have found collecting Santiago colonial minors very challenging, and have never actually seen more than a handful of 1/2R and 1R from the period between 1773 and 1788 in condition better than VF (with the exception of 1778 and 1788).
Let me also commend you on the coins you have posted here - I similarly have to admit I am jealous of your collection
^ about Guatemala Pilar coins, the ones I have seen 1/2R or 1R are holed.
For you guys that do auction buys, at least there is a 1R at GC - Guatemala 1765-G P Silver Real KM-24 PCGS VG-10
Only one graded, just in case...
@ELuis said:
^ about Guatemala Pilar coins, the ones I have seen 1/2R or 1R are holed.
For you guys that do auction buys, at least there is a 1R at GC - Guatemala 1765-G P Silver Real KM-24 PCGS VG-10
Only one graded, just in case...
Will be interesting to see at what price it ends. Not a country I collect I have my hands full with Mexico and Peru.
Also, I have three other guatemala 1R coins, two of them are about this same grade...they're G6 coins. I don't think this should be in VG10 holder, personally. No details at all and the rim is weak at the bottom and the top of the pillar side.
@WCC yeah, it's dark, not quite as dark as the NGC pics I posted. I could have dipped it, but I liked it well enough, not worth the potential negative reprocussions. Dark is better to me than dipped and stripped.
Based on current posts and discussion:
This coin is in an old (but not first generation) NGC holder in MS63, and was tied for top pop until someone recently (likely one of you!) submitted a ringer MS66.
Now that it is knocked from the pedestal, I am likely submitting it for a PCGS show crossover, hoping for a better grade and better photography... Would any of you talk me out of trying?
Coin also shows a 6/5, although it is a subtler example of the overdate.
@Plus00Vltra said:
Based on current posts and discussion:
This coin is in an old (but not first generation) NGC holder in MS63, and was tied for top pop until someone recently (likely one of you!) submitted a ringer MS66.
Now that it is knocked from the pedestal, I am likely submitting it for a PCGS show crossover, hoping for a better grade and better photography... Would any of you talk me out of trying?
Coin also shows a 6/5, although it is a subtler example of the overdate.
That's cool! I'd take it. Looks like like it has nice luster. The die rust is really cool! What generation holder is it in?
The Guatemala 1756 is a really heavily clashed die I believe. Either that or it was stamped once and then again. It's very interesting. I've actually got it in at PCGS at the moment getting graded, they'll take better pics than I have and I'll post them later. You'll certainly find it interesting.
I don't actively collect Guatemala mint colonials, but did pick up this 1R one up out of curiosity some years ago.
I really like how crude they are compared to other Columnario minors from the same era from Mexico, Lima, Potosi.
@Eddi said:
How does Brad Yonaka rank the Guatemala 1 real coins of this era with regard to scarcity?
From 1754-1771 only 4 (out of 32 coins listed) coins are considered scarce & uncommon the rest are all rare to extremely rare to possibly unique. Altogether Yonaka's books lists 32 coins that includes regular dates and varieties.
Scarce = Yonaka observed 8-10 examples
Uncommon = Yonaka observed 11-20 examples
Guatemala 1 reales are by no means an easy series to collect and I doubt many show up for sale in a 12 month period.
Collecting this series is a lifetime goal and ''impossible'' to fully complete. Even if someone has the funds that does not mean they will find the coins they want. A lot of these coins are in long term collections and I highly doubt those collectors want to sell unless they upgrade a coin then maybe they will consider selling the lower grade example.
Lets ask the members here how long have they been collecting this series from Guatemala (1 real 1754-1771) and how many coins out of the 32 Yonaka lists do they own. No need for them to specify dates that is private and I understand they don't want extra competition for the missing dates in their collection.
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1751 or 1757?
I own the 1752 Peru NGC XF-40 2R. Seen one better not graded (after it was sold) in a Sedwick auction.
Also own the 1752 Peru 1R as AU "details". It has slight damage (planchet flaw I think) on the pillar side but is otherwise "original".
BTW, I just checked today about the 1/2R, because I placed the order DEC.10.2023 and they told me, that are checking the inventory, and appears that they cannot find the coin. So a problem there to get my money back. Also on the 4R, I tried to buy it and got a problem with the use of my CC, that needed some other step (Similar to an old try out to buy in Spain), so end up closing the buy. In short no coins.
On both coins I was not lucky, first time happens to me, and on both coins.
Just got a mail with something like this:
That sucks, sorry @ELuis
I think I may know the dealer, I’ve had similar experiences with them…twice. ¿Numismatica Peiró?
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Sorry this is happening to you ELuis.
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And to confirm that many of these coins are not avail in a great condition et-al, but maybe just fine - not mine, just found these on my net search:
First post, testing the waters:
Very nice thanks for sharing and welcome to the boards!!!
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Welcome!
A beautiful example.
Charles III Album
Charles III Portrait Set
Charles IV Album
Charles IV Portrait Set
Spanish Colonial Pillar Set
Glad to see you posting
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Nevermind me over here drooling over your 2R Lima. @Plus00Vltra that was a strong first post. Welcome! Anyone who collects pillar minors is my friend (and nemesis 😜😂)
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Very nice 2R, thank you for sharing! it is an old friend, I loved the toning on it and luster on hand.
Here are some minors from the Santiago mint.
Santiago, 1 real transitional, 1791/0. Very rare type with the king's title reading "IV" instead of the usual "IIII". Only 3-4 examples known. ex Medina.
Santiago mint minors in good condition are VERY RARE, specially those bearing the portrait of Carlos III.
If you have any, in any condition, please post them; I would love to see them.
Eddi it is so rare to see these minors from Santiago but, with that said, your examples are way, way above in quality/originality than the few I have seen.
100% - That's a really special grouping you have there.
Those who's collecting interests lie outside of pillars and portraits just wouldn't be able to appreciate how truly special they are but I certainly do, and I can honestly tell you I am ridiculously jealous. Bravo!
This thread just keeps giving!
Charles III Album
Charles III Portrait Set
Charles IV Album
Charles IV Portrait Set
Spanish Colonial Pillar Set
Welcome!
8 Reales Madness Collection
@JohnnyCache , thank you, sir!
I certainly agree, I have found collecting Santiago colonial minors very challenging, and have never actually seen more than a handful of 1/2R and 1R from the period between 1773 and 1788 in condition better than VF (with the exception of 1778 and 1788).
Let me also commend you on the coins you have posted here - I similarly have to admit I am jealous of your collection
Here a Lima 4 reales 1771 Ex Manuel Vidal Quadras y Ramon Collection (1892). Also plated on his catalog.
To all here please feel free to share as many coins as you like. I am sure all of us here love having coins to look at.
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^ about Guatemala Pilar coins, the ones I have seen 1/2R or 1R are holed.
For you guys that do auction buys, at least there is a 1R at GC - Guatemala 1765-G P Silver Real KM-24 PCGS VG-10
Only one graded, just in case...
Will be interesting to see at what price it ends. Not a country I collect I have my hands full with Mexico and Peru.
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Yeah, I've been watching it. @ELuis
It may be the only one graded at PCGS, but NGC has an XF in their census. That's the one I REALLY want! 😂
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Also, I have three other guatemala 1R coins, two of them are about this same grade...they're G6 coins. I don't think this should be in VG10 holder, personally. No details at all and the rim is weak at the bottom and the top of the pillar side.
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This one is probably a lower grade than the 1765, but not THAT far off. This would probably be a 4, that would be a 6
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This is in a 4 holder and has virtually the same amount of wear as the 1765
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This is graded as an F12, it has WAY more detail than the 1765 VG10 at GC. Rant over.
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This is the VG10 in question
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Grade IMO is due to "eye appeal". Too dark
@WCC yeah, it's dark, not quite as dark as the NGC pics I posted. I could have dipped it, but I liked it well enough, not worth the potential negative reprocussions. Dark is better to me than dipped and stripped.
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Already at 550$ with almost a week left.
https://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/1511688/Guatemala-1765-G-P-Silver-Real-KM-24-PCGS-VG-10
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Yeah, I'm sure the advertising here didn't help keep the price low. 😂
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OH WOW.
Is that a F over ꓞ?
Based on current posts and discussion:
This coin is in an old (but not first generation) NGC holder in MS63, and was tied for top pop until someone recently (likely one of you!) submitted a ringer MS66.
Now that it is knocked from the pedestal, I am likely submitting it for a PCGS show crossover, hoping for a better grade and better photography... Would any of you talk me out of trying?
Coin also shows a 6/5, although it is a subtler example of the overdate.
That's cool! I'd take it. Looks like like it has nice luster. The die rust is really cool! What generation holder is it in?
The Guatemala 1756 is a really heavily clashed die I believe. Either that or it was stamped once and then again. It's very interesting. I've actually got it in at PCGS at the moment getting graded, they'll take better pics than I have and I'll post them later. You'll certainly find it interesting.
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I don't actively collect Guatemala mint colonials, but did pick up this 1R one up out of curiosity some years ago.
I really like how crude they are compared to other Columnario minors from the same era from Mexico, Lima, Potosi.
There used to be a forum etiquette about not posting about current auctions so as to not drive up the price for potential buyers.
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That makes sens. I will not do so moving forward.
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Much to my chagrin 😂
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Sold for 900$ all-in.
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I’m aware
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Did you win it?
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No, I was underbidder. Someone really needed it. That’s a lot for a VG in my opinion.
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Did you win it? > @SimonW said:
Not cheap that is for sure. But it is a very date as you know hence the price.
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How does Brad Yonaka rank the Guatemala 1 real coins of this era with regard to scarcity?
From 1754-1771 only 4 (out of 32 coins listed) coins are considered scarce & uncommon the rest are all rare to extremely rare to possibly unique. Altogether Yonaka's books lists 32 coins that includes regular dates and varieties.
Scarce = Yonaka observed 8-10 examples
Uncommon = Yonaka observed 11-20 examples
Guatemala 1 reales are by no means an easy series to collect and I doubt many show up for sale in a 12 month period.
Collecting this series is a lifetime goal and ''impossible'' to fully complete. Even if someone has the funds that does not mean they will find the coins they want. A lot of these coins are in long term collections and I highly doubt those collectors want to sell unless they upgrade a coin then maybe they will consider selling the lower grade example.
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Eddi:
Lets ask the members here how long have they been collecting this series from Guatemala (1 real 1754-1771) and how many coins out of the 32 Yonaka lists do they own. No need for them to specify dates that is private and I understand they don't want extra competition for the missing dates in their collection.
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