@stevek said:
Exactly who designed the plays and game plan for Brady to execute?
The coaching staff not just the head coach. Coordinators makes big money for a reason. Elite QBs also have a lot more to do with calling plays at the line than a coach does. Great teams can win with a bad coach, great coaches cant win with a bad team
"Great teams can win with a bad coach"
The only time I recall that happening in the NFL with a "bad" coach, was with Barry Switzer, because Jimmy Johnson had left him such a powerhouse of a team.
Of course you're right about the coaching staff. However in the case of Bill Belichick, he had control over all of that as well. He picked that staff which led to great things.
And yes a smart QB such as Brady can make good decisions with audibles. However the better coaches teach them how and when to do that. Those audibles are often game planned as well, as all coaches have tendencies, and a genius such as Belichick knows his opponents tendencies, and how they might react to a certain offensive formation. Brady sees that, trained for it, and quickly makes the audible.
I dont think Mike Shanahan was a particularly good coach but he won two SBs with Elway, Davis and company.
QB obviously isnt enough, but theres been some great QBs over the last 30 years that have made coaches look much better. Just ask the Chargers lol
I wouldn't consider Shanahan a "bad" coach. I'd even rate him above average. In any event, you're right about Elway making a coach look better.
Defenses can also make a coach look better. Look at the 1985 Bears which many consider the greatest team in the history of the NFL. Yes, they had Walter Payton, a great running back, but it was that killer defense which made that team into a legend.
I thought you might mention Mike Ditka as a "bad" coach example who won a Super Bowl. I wouldn't rate Ditka as bad, but certainly not good, probably mediocre to below average would be his rating. Despite the high accolades for that 1985 Bears team, it's the only Super Bowl they ever won.
Id consider Shanahan average at best being generous. His run in Denver he basically inherited the roster that got him the two SBs and their best run. For the most part they got progressively worse the longer he was there. He was also a disaster in Washington.
Ditka I dont know enough to really have an opinion from his coaching other that back in the 80s there was a value to just having a ruthless mean guy firing people up even if they werent the best with the Xs and Os.
Pretty good take on Ditka. Coaches like that can have a great effect on players. They can get guys to want to jump on a grenade. The flip side is that it is hard to do that long term.
I'm pretty sure this is the game I was referring to earlier when Ditka began wildly screaming at a number of his players on the sidelines. I'm guessing it was during the 3rd quarter break when they were behind. What struck me as odd at the time watching the game on TV, was the Bears the previous season had won the Super Bowl. This game was meaningless late in the season, as the Bears had a nice winning record, and a post season spot wrapped up. So why was Mike going into such a tirade? I recall that the announcers didn't say it like that, but they implied that it was a bit odd as well. Well it did work for this game, the Bears as you can see from the box score, came back to win it in the 4th quarter. But it's interesting that the Bears with this great team, went on to lose the first playoff game at home, in a game whereby the Bears must have been a heavy favorite. Perhaps the Bears players were growing tired of Ditka's antics, and got burnt out from it?
@RiveraFamilyCollect said:
It's difficult for me to accept Belichick as a great coach, he had the greatest quarterback of all time to bolster his record and has marred his reputation with repeated cheating scandals. He might be one of the most overrated coaches in all of football.
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@RiveraFamilyCollect said:
It's difficult for me to accept Belichick as a great coach, he had the greatest quarterback of all time to bolster his record and has marred his reputation with repeated cheating scandals. He might be one of the most overrated coaches in all of football.
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no he is correct , bill is a fraud and may not win another game
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Pretty good take on Ditka. Coaches like that can have a great effect on players. They can get guys to want to jump on a grenade. The flip side is that it is hard to do that long term.
I'm pretty sure this is the game I was referring to earlier when Ditka began wildly screaming at a number of his players on the sidelines. I'm guessing it was during the 3rd quarter break when they were behind. What struck me as odd at the time watching the game on TV, was the Bears the previous season had won the Super Bowl. This game was meaningless late in the season, as the Bears had a nice winning record, and a post season spot wrapped up. So why was Mike going into such a tirade? I recall that the announcers didn't say it like that, but they implied that it was a bit odd as well. Well it did work for this game, the Bears as you can see from the box score, came back to win it in the 4th quarter. But it's interesting that the Bears with this great team, went on to lose the first playoff game at home, in a game whereby the Bears must have been a heavy favorite. Perhaps the Bears players were growing tired of Ditka's antics, and got burnt out from it?
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wow, this thread is back from the dead!!
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
no he is correct , bill is a fraud and may not win another game
@4for4. I remember him.
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I thought for sure that 4for4 would be back. I thought he would take a little break and bust back in.
It is looking like i was wrong.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
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He's here, in a different form, afaik
oh, I didnt know. I pretty much post here and the trading card section.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.