I've seen his listings on the BST. The coins themselves seemed fine, but his weird way of listing stuff and his terms made me decide no way I'd ever buy a coin from him. This thread basically confirms it. I've seen other threads in the past where he would just pull listings. No thanks.
Colin Dickerson, a class act. 👏
My short list of sellers I'd never deal with has just added a name.
Over $110?
Man, this reminds me of that Dave Chappelle skit "When Keepin' it Real Goes Wrong."
I'll never understand the hills people choose to die on.
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
@OPA said:
I do not deal with BST sales, that do not allow for them to be paid via reg. PP. Never had an issue. This could have been avoidable if done so.
Agree. 3% for the safety and "insurance" of the charge back.
Hi Leo, I truly appreciate your offer but I'll respectfully decline. I'm OK, out a few dollars but it's not going to break me. My goal was to call attention to this seller so no one else may go through what I did, it was truly frustrating. When I saw his post showing his new Morgan purchase I had to finally speak up on the forum.
To all of you who have been supportive, thank you as well. I didn't expect the 2 threads to get all this attention but I'm glad that they have. We're all in this together and 99.99% of the folks here are truly stand-up people.
@ponderit said:
silverpop, please respond to my last 7 or 8 messages regarding the 2 Mercs I bought from you but which never arrived via USPS. You're well aware that these never got here as per USPS. I've sent you all the communications I've had with them. You didn't ship these with insurance and your excuse for not doing so is lame. You will not communicate with me by either email or PM here on the forum. I saw your post about your new Morgan and at least know you're still alive.
I've done hundreds of transactions here on the BST and have NEVER had any problems, certainly nothing as remotely as screwed up as this has been with you. Many of the forum members know me and have sold coins to me, never with a problem.
For those wondering, I offered Colin $110 for 2 Mercs he listed on the BST. He agreed, wanted a check, I sent the check, it cleared and he sent the coins. Then the coins went missing with the last updates from USPS on 3/30 "out for delivery" and then on 3/31 "Alert: Awaiting delivery scan". That's the last info I've gotten. I talked to the PO 3 times early on. Their guess is the package was destroyed "due to a spill". Apparently they had a couple of liquid breakages around that time. As far as I know that might be true or the thing was stolen. Either way, Colin has the money and I have no coins.
When I asked Colin if he had insured the package his response was "no, if I had it would have been more pricey". Had he asked me I would have paid for the insurance.
I've sent him numerous inquiries both by PM here on the forum and to his email address. He hasn't responded for over a month. My guess is I'm screwed on the $110. I know this isn't his fault and neither is it mine. I wish he'd insured the package and for the life of me I can't imagine not insuring it unless as the seller I was willing to self-insure and hope for the best.
Sorry to do this here and I expect blow-back from some of you, but I'm totally frustrated with silverpop's lack of communication. Maybe he'll see this one...
Bill
Seller is obviously responsible for making this right if the package cannot be found. Just curious if you have talked to your actual postmaster to see if he/she can initiate a search. It was apparently out for delivery, meaning it was on someone's truck... but the driver never scanned it as delivered. Priority mail shipping I assume? Or was it first class with some sort of tracking added? Physical address or PO Box?
What in the world do you mean by that? Do you know what coins you sold him? Do you know how much money he paid you for them? Do you know how you shipped the coins? Do you know the address you shipped to? Why don't you take a little personal responsibility here and try to find out what happened instead of just washing your hands of it? This is one of your customers. You got his money but he didn't get your coins. How fair of a deal does that sound to you? Your customer service is horseshit, pal. Someone like you shouldn't be dealing with the public. It's his job to get you your money and your job to get him his coins. You failed in your job. You need to make this up to him. If you can't figure it out and get him his coins you have to apologize and give him his money back. You've no right to it. Imagine Amazon Prime tells you they shipped your order and if you didn't get it that's your hard luck, how long do you think they'd be in business treating customers like that? Amazon Prime would be breaking their backs trying to find out what happened and making their customer right. Any reputable seller would. Get a clue on how to treat your customers or get out of this, they don't need this.
@silverpop
Why in the world won’t you make this right? It’s not that much money to flush your name down the toilet. This is severely messed up.!
What’s up?
The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
... have talked to your actual postmaster - I talked to the branch 3 times, the supervisor twice early on and she did initiate a search but didn't find it. She thought very possibly it was involved in a spill from a broken package. I feel like she really did go out of her way to be helpful and do everything she could.
... it was apparently out for delivery, meaning it was on someone's truck - PO told me that "out for delivery" doesn't necessarily mean it was actually on the truck when given that designation. On a side-note, I've had the same carrier for 15 years or so. He's delivered hundreds if not thousands of packages to us in that time (mostly my wife's ), never had a problem.
... priority mail shipping I assume? Or was it first class with some sort of tracking added? Physical address or PO Box? - I asked Colin how it was sent, answer, "first class retail mail package with tracking #". It was addressed to my physical address...
I asked Colin several times via email and PM to file a lost / stolen claim as the PO suggested. He's not communicated with me since early April so I have no idea if he did or not. I highly doubt it, he's got my money, I think that's all he cares about. With the package being uninsured First Class I don't know if a claim could be filed anyway.
Anyway, I appreciate the questions but I feel like I did everything I could do to get info from the PO, and having a seller like this is one of the more frustrating things I've dealt with in a long time.
I have zero hope that I'll ever see a dime (modern / circulated) let alone the $110. I messed up and trusted someone I didn't know on the BST. As others have stated, the No Paypal / personal check only should have caused me concern but it didn't. I'm a trusting person by nature and this time it cost me, he's not trustworthy. I've made peace with it and as I said in my original post, Karma's a Bitch.
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I asked Colin several times via email and PM to file a lost / stolen claim as the PO suggested. He's not communicated with me since early April so I have no idea if he did or not. I highly doubt it, he's got my money, I think that's all he cares about. With the package being uninsured First Class I don't know if a claim could be filed anyway.
Anyway, I appreciate the questions but I feel like I did everything I could do to get info from the PO, and having a seller like this is one of the more frustrating things I've dealt with in a long time.
I have zero hope that I'll ever see a dime (modern / circulated) let alone the $110. I messed up and trusted someone I didn't know on the BST. As others have stated, the No Paypal / personal check only should have caused me concern but it didn't. I'm a trusting person by nature and this time it cost me, he's not trustworthy. I've made peace with it and as I said in my original post, Karma's a Bitch.
Again, thank you all for your support,
Bill
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If uninsured there is nothing to claim against. Unfortunate. My first thought was a porch pirate after delivery since no signature was required.
@ponderit said:
silverpop, please respond to my last 7 or 8 messages regarding the 2 Mercs I bought from you but which never arrived via USPS. You're well aware that these never got here as per USPS. I've sent you all the communications I've had with them. You didn't ship these with insurance and your excuse for not doing so is lame. You will not communicate with me by either email or PM here on the forum. I saw your post about your new Morgan and at least know you're still alive.
I've done hundreds of transactions here on the BST and have NEVER had any problems, certainly nothing as remotely as screwed up as this has been with you. Many of the forum members know me and have sold coins to me, never with a problem.
For those wondering, I offered Colin $110 for 2 Mercs he listed on the BST. He agreed, wanted a check, I sent the check, it cleared and he sent the coins. Then the coins went missing with the last updates from USPS on 3/30 "out for delivery" and then on 3/31 "Alert: Awaiting delivery scan". That's the last info I've gotten. I talked to the PO 3 times early on. Their guess is the package was destroyed "due to a spill". Apparently they had a couple of liquid breakages around that time. As far as I know that might be true or the thing was stolen. Either way, Colin has the money and I have no coins.
When I asked Colin if he had insured the package his response was "no, if I had it would have been more pricey". Had he asked me I would have paid for the insurance.
I've sent him numerous inquiries both by PM here on the forum and to his email address. He hasn't responded for over a month. My guess is I'm screwed on the $110. I know this isn't his fault and neither is it mine. I wish he'd insured the package and for the life of me I can't imagine not insuring it unless as the seller I was willing to self-insure and hope for the best.
Sorry to do this here and I expect blow-back from some of you, but I'm totally frustrated with silverpop's lack of communication. Maybe he'll see this one...
Bill
This is unacceptable and totally lame on the seller's part who should be reimbursing you in full. Until tracking shows a package is delivered, it is the responsibility of the seller to make the buyer whole in the event the package doesn't arrive. Whether insurance was purchased or not is irrelevant.
Sounds like neither stepped up and discussed whether the package would be insured or not. That it was assumed it would be insured......this matter usually gets attention or it should have been brought up when the price and how the payment is to be made. The seller may be a youngster or with little experience and may not understand how the real world works. And this could be said about the buyer, making certain insurance was added.
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
@ponderit said:
silverpop, please respond to my last 7 or 8 messages regarding the 2 Mercs I bought from you but which never arrived via USPS. You're well aware that these never got here as per USPS. I've sent you all the communications I've had with them. You didn't ship these with insurance and your excuse for not doing so is lame. You will not communicate with me by either email or PM here on the forum. I saw your post about your new Morgan and at least know you're still alive.
I've done hundreds of transactions here on the BST and have NEVER had any problems, certainly nothing as remotely as screwed up as this has been with you. Many of the forum members know me and have sold coins to me, never with a problem.
For those wondering, I offered Colin $110 for 2 Mercs he listed on the BST. He agreed, wanted a check, I sent the check, it cleared and he sent the coins. Then the coins went missing with the last updates from USPS on 3/30 "out for delivery" and then on 3/31 "Alert: Awaiting delivery scan". That's the last info I've gotten. I talked to the PO 3 times early on. Their guess is the package was destroyed "due to a spill". Apparently they had a couple of liquid breakages around that time. As far as I know that might be true or the thing was stolen. Either way, Colin has the money and I have no coins.
When I asked Colin if he had insured the package his response was "no, if I had it would have been more pricey". Had he asked me I would have paid for the insurance.
I've sent him numerous inquiries both by PM here on the forum and to his email address. He hasn't responded for over a month. My guess is I'm screwed on the $110. I know this isn't his fault and neither is it mine. I wish he'd insured the package and for the life of me I can't imagine not insuring it unless as the seller I was willing to self-insure and hope for the best.
Sorry to do this here and I expect blow-back from some of you, but I'm totally frustrated with silverpop's lack of communication. Maybe he'll see this one...
Bill
This is unacceptable and totally lame on the seller's part who should be reimbursing you in full. Until tracking shows a package is delivered, it is the responsibility of the seller to make the buyer whole in the event the package doesn't arrive. Whether insurance was purchased or not is irrelevant.
Sounds like neither stepped up and discussed whether the package would be insured or not. That it was assumed it would be insured......this matter usually gets attention or it should have been brought up when the price and how the payment is to be made. The seller may be a youngster or with little experience and may not understand how the real world works. And this could be said about the buyer, making certain insurance was added.
Leo
Once paid for the merchandise, the seller is obligated to get it into the hands of the buyer. He’s free to take the risk of not insuring the package, but the risk doesn’t transfer to the buyer. If the seller wanted the risk to rest upon the buyer, it was incumbent upon him to make that clear to the buyer. It doesn’t sound as if the seller did that.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
The seller has been a member on these forums for 20 years, so he's no youngster. He's got the buyers money and the buyer has no coins. He needs to refund the money.
@ponderit said:
silverpop, please respond to my last 7 or 8 messages regarding the 2 Mercs I bought from you but which never arrived via USPS. You're well aware that these never got here as per USPS. I've sent you all the communications I've had with them. You didn't ship these with insurance and your excuse for not doing so is lame. You will not communicate with me by either email or PM here on the forum. I saw your post about your new Morgan and at least know you're still alive.
I've done hundreds of transactions here on the BST and have NEVER had any problems, certainly nothing as remotely as screwed up as this has been with you. Many of the forum members know me and have sold coins to me, never with a problem.
For those wondering, I offered Colin $110 for 2 Mercs he listed on the BST. He agreed, wanted a check, I sent the check, it cleared and he sent the coins. Then the coins went missing with the last updates from USPS on 3/30 "out for delivery" and then on 3/31 "Alert: Awaiting delivery scan". That's the last info I've gotten. I talked to the PO 3 times early on. Their guess is the package was destroyed "due to a spill". Apparently they had a couple of liquid breakages around that time. As far as I know that might be true or the thing was stolen. Either way, Colin has the money and I have no coins.
When I asked Colin if he had insured the package his response was "no, if I had it would have been more pricey". Had he asked me I would have paid for the insurance.
I've sent him numerous inquiries both by PM here on the forum and to his email address. He hasn't responded for over a month. My guess is I'm screwed on the $110. I know this isn't his fault and neither is it mine. I wish he'd insured the package and for the life of me I can't imagine not insuring it unless as the seller I was willing to self-insure and hope for the best.
Sorry to do this here and I expect blow-back from some of you, but I'm totally frustrated with silverpop's lack of communication. Maybe he'll see this one...
Bill
This is unacceptable and totally lame on the seller's part who should be reimbursing you in full. Until tracking shows a package is delivered, it is the responsibility of the seller to make the buyer whole in the event the package doesn't arrive. Whether insurance was purchased or not is irrelevant.
Sounds like neither stepped up and discussed whether the package would be insured or not. That it was assumed it would be insured......this matter usually gets attention or it should have been brought up when the price and how the payment is to be made. The seller may be a youngster or with little experience and may not understand how the real world works. And this could be said about the buyer, making certain insurance was added.
Leo
I disagree. It is the seller's responsibility until the tracking number shows the package as delivered. The onus for delivery to that point is on the seller's part not the buyer's. Furthermore, insurance (if any) is for the protection of the SELLER, not the buyer.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
It's just a head scratcher. $110 can be made back (and more) in a single transaction. Throwing it all away, his reputation... for the cost of dinner and drinks for two at Applebee's. It's beyond strange and hard to believe.
I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.
@NeophyteNumismatist said:
It's just a head scratcher. $110 can be made back (and more) in a single transaction. Throwing it all away, his reputation... for the cost of dinner and drinks for two at Applebee's. It's beyond strange and hard to believe.
I think everyone is missing the point
HE DOESN'T THINK HE DID ANYTHING WRONG!
That's the problem
I don't think anyboby will be able to convice him otherwise
I hope he mans up, but, I'm not holding my breath.................
@Greenstang said:
Well, you won’t be able get in touch with him anymore,
he has deleted his profile. I
Too new to know how this affects his standing on the forum.
Good, his reputation was toast anyway, good riddance.......
I think everyone is missing the point
HE DOESN'T THINK HE DID ANYTHING WRONG!
That's the problem
I don't think anybody will be able to convince him otherwise
I hope he mans up, but I'm not holding my breath.................
A hard disagree.
He'd have to be dull-witted not to know he is wrong.
Pig-headed is probably more like it.
Either way, it's a sad way to go through life.
He's just set his profile to private again. He did the same thing soon after we realized there was a USPS problem. That was also a very frustrating part of this. I was still able to send him emails but of course no responses form him.
Sorry for all my posts, just trying to keep things accurate. Everyone's been very supportive,,, very much appreciated.
I’m not sure that any further piling on is going to change anything here. The seller is by now aware of the forum consensus and can choose how to proceed.
I always ignored silverpop's posts as it seemed like he wasn't all there. A few years ago he was posting lots of random coins for $3 and $4 and the silver value was $5. His posts just didn't make any sense.
Unfortunately, the last year or so he has offered some nicer stuff ($50 - $150 range) but his posts were still funky and said name your price and he would often back out of sales that other members had committed to buy.
Still, I am sure he had some happy buyers over time or we would have seen a few dozen of these posts.
I am sorry he is being ridiculous. It just confirms the thought he isn't all there.
@gumby1234 said:
Paying by personal check is nor an issue. I used personal checks for my transactions buying from members. Once the check cleared they SENT the coins.
And you have no recourse if the coin doesn't arrive or is never sent. The personal check protects the seller not the buyer.
I had a package ripped open somewhere enroute to me.
Since the tracking showed delivered the seller wouldn't do anything about it. I can see where silverpop is coming from. After a few times of the buyer saying he didn't get it should be enough tho. Mine was bought off Ebay instead of BST
@bearcave said:
I had a package ripped open somewhere enroute to me.
Since the tracking showed delivered the seller wouldn't do anything about it. I can see where silverpop is coming from. After a few times of the buyer saying he didn't get it should be enough tho. Mine was bought off Ebay instead of BST
That’s another argument for insurance.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I can't imagine why neither discussed the insurance on sending the coin. I don't care who I deal with, I have always asked that question. It's my money I'm sending, I want insured. why would I not see that end of the transaction is taken care I'm not going to just assume it's taken care of It is a good idea to make certain the money you spend is insured and not just assume it is or will be. It is not known whether the seller is incapacitated in some way, mentally or physically, regardless> @MFeld said:
@ponderit said:
silverpop, please respond to my last 7 or 8 messages regarding the 2 Mercs I bought from you but which never arrived via USPS. You're well aware that these never got here as per USPS. I've sent you all the communications I've had with them. You didn't ship these with insurance and your excuse for not doing so is lame. You will not communicate with me by either email or PM here on the forum. I saw your post about your new Morgan and at least know you're still alive.
I've done hundreds of transactions here on the BST and have NEVER had any problems, certainly nothing as remotely as screwed up as this has been with you. Many of the forum members know me and have sold coins to me, never with a problem.
For those wondering, I offered Colin $110 for 2 Mercs he listed on the BST. He agreed, wanted a check, I sent the check, it cleared and he sent the coins. Then the coins went missing with the last updates from USPS on 3/30 "out for delivery" and then on 3/31 "Alert: Awaiting delivery scan". That's the last info I've gotten. I talked to the PO 3 times early on. Their guess is the package was destroyed "due to a spill". Apparently they had a couple of liquid breakages around that time. As far as I know that might be true or the thing was stolen. Either way, Colin has the money and I have no coins.
When I asked Colin if he had insured the package his response was "no, if I had it would have been more pricey". Had he asked me I would have paid for the insurance.
I've sent him numerous inquiries both by PM here on the forum and to his email address. He hasn't responded for over a month. My guess is I'm screwed on the $110. I know this isn't his fault and neither is it mine. I wish he'd insured the package and for the life of me I can't imagine not insuring it unless as the seller I was willing to self-insure and hope for the best.
Sorry to do this here and I expect blow-back from some of you, but I'm totally frustrated with silverpop's lack of communication. Maybe he'll see this one...
Bill
This is unacceptable and totally lame on the seller's part who should be reimbursing you in full. Until tracking shows a package is delivered, it is the responsibility of the seller to make the buyer whole in the event the package doesn't arrive. Whether insurance was purchased or not is irrelevant.
Sounds like neither stepped up and discussed whether the package would be insured or not. That it was assumed it would be insured......this matter usually gets attention or it should have been brought up when the price and how the payment is to be made. The seller may be a youngster or with little experience and may not understand how the real world works. And this could be said about the buyer, making certain insurance was added.
Leo
Once paid for the merchandise, the seller is obligated to get it into the hands of the buyer. He’s free to take the risk of not insuring the package, but the risk doesn’t transfer to the buyer. If the seller wanted the risk to rest upon the buyer, it was incumbent upon him to make that clear to the buyer. It doesn’t sound as if the seller did that.
Where does the buyer take responsibility? It was his money he should have wanted/seen to it that it was insured. It's a very simple question. But the buyer didn't ask about the insurance until his coins failed to show up. lol
Another problem may be, perhaps the seller is incapacitated in some way, mentally or physically and in all reality, shouldn't be conducting transactions entirely by themselves.
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
Where does the buyer take responsibility? It was his money he should have wanted/seen to it that it was insured. It's a very simple question.
It’s a very simple answer - When the buyer receives the coin.
Exactly. It's not a very difficult concept to understand.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
@leothelyon said:
I can't imagine why neither discussed the insurance on sending the coin. I don't care who I deal with, I have always asked that question. It's my money I'm sending, I want insured. why would I not see that end of the transaction is taken care I'm not going to just assume it's taken care of It is a good idea to make certain the money you spend is insured and not just assume it is or will be. It is not known whether the seller is incapacitated in some way, mentally or physically, regardless> @MFeld said:
@ponderit said:
silverpop, please respond to my last 7 or 8 messages regarding the 2 Mercs I bought from you but which never arrived via USPS. You're well aware that these never got here as per USPS. I've sent you all the communications I've had with them. You didn't ship these with insurance and your excuse for not doing so is lame. You will not communicate with me by either email or PM here on the forum. I saw your post about your new Morgan and at least know you're still alive.
I've done hundreds of transactions here on the BST and have NEVER had any problems, certainly nothing as remotely as screwed up as this has been with you. Many of the forum members know me and have sold coins to me, never with a problem.
For those wondering, I offered Colin $110 for 2 Mercs he listed on the BST. He agreed, wanted a check, I sent the check, it cleared and he sent the coins. Then the coins went missing with the last updates from USPS on 3/30 "out for delivery" and then on 3/31 "Alert: Awaiting delivery scan". That's the last info I've gotten. I talked to the PO 3 times early on. Their guess is the package was destroyed "due to a spill". Apparently they had a couple of liquid breakages around that time. As far as I know that might be true or the thing was stolen. Either way, Colin has the money and I have no coins.
When I asked Colin if he had insured the package his response was "no, if I had it would have been more pricey". Had he asked me I would have paid for the insurance.
I've sent him numerous inquiries both by PM here on the forum and to his email address. He hasn't responded for over a month. My guess is I'm screwed on the $110. I know this isn't his fault and neither is it mine. I wish he'd insured the package and for the life of me I can't imagine not insuring it unless as the seller I was willing to self-insure and hope for the best.
Sorry to do this here and I expect blow-back from some of you, but I'm totally frustrated with silverpop's lack of communication. Maybe he'll see this one...
Bill
This is unacceptable and totally lame on the seller's part who should be reimbursing you in full. Until tracking shows a package is delivered, it is the responsibility of the seller to make the buyer whole in the event the package doesn't arrive. Whether insurance was purchased or not is irrelevant.
Sounds like neither stepped up and discussed whether the package would be insured or not. That it was assumed it would be insured......this matter usually gets attention or it should have been brought up when the price and how the payment is to be made. The seller may be a youngster or with little experience and may not understand how the real world works. And this could be said about the buyer, making certain insurance was added.
Leo
Once paid for the merchandise, the seller is obligated to get it into the hands of the buyer. He’s free to take the risk of not insuring the package, but the risk doesn’t transfer to the buyer. If the seller wanted the risk to rest upon the buyer, it was incumbent upon him to make that clear to the buyer. It doesn’t sound as if the seller did that.
Where does the buyer take responsibility? It was his money he should have wanted/seen to it that it was insured. It's a very simple question. But the buyer didn't ask about the insurance until his coins failed to show up. lol
Another problem may be, perhaps the seller is incapacitated in some way, mentally or physically and in all reality, shouldn't be conducting transactions entirely by themselves.
Leo
In what way does the insurance benefit the buyer? I’m confused by your point. In an insurance settlement, the money goes to the seller.
Where does the buyer take responsibility? It was his money he should have wanted/seen to it that it was insured. It's a very simple question. But the buyer didn't ask about the insurance until his coins failed to show up. lol
Another problem may be, perhaps the seller is incapacitated in some way, mentally or physically and in all reality, shouldn't be conducting transactions entirely by themselves.
Leo
Others have already answered, but you are ignoring them because you want your opinion to be the accepted "correct" one.
It is NOT incumbent on the buyer to insure, or worry about insuring, the package.
Now, a buyer who REALLY wants to make sure they get the package may ask/offer, but it isn't their responsibility to do so.
It is the RESPONSIBILITY of the seller to "self insure" and accept all risks or to charge/pay for the insurance otherwise, at which point, the buyer could negotiate it out or back off. If they negotiated it out, then I would likely agree with your stance. Removed from that, no, I do not agree with you even mentioning the responsibility of the buyer in regards to insurance.
I also do not, as others do, compare this to a major business like Amazon. Not even close.
It's most likely that poor packaging was used, it went through the USPS machines, was ripped apart, and there was NOTHING inside to identify the recipient. Likely was only on the outer layer, which, again, is poor planning/packaging.
The subject person of all this is someone I have avoided any transactions with over all the years, and have largely avoided even interacting with on the forum as something was always "off" and he was always argumentative with folks.
" In what way does the insurance benefit the buyer? I’m confused by your point. In an insurance settlement, the money goes to the seller. "
Exactly. While insurance may be the way to go in many cases, it still depends on a co-operative seller. The seller is the one who purchases the insurance when shipping. If a claim is to be made on the shipment, it is the seller who has to initiate the claim. If the claim is paid, it is the seller who gets reimbursed. Then, in a perfect world, the seller refunds the money to the buyer (if not already done so.)
Years ago.... I purchased a coin that was sent insured. Never received it.... notified the seller. The seller said he sent the coin insured, so it was now up to me to 'file' a claim and followup on it. Yeah, right!! I don't remember if I succeeded in convincing the person to file a claim or not.... or perhaps had to eat the loss.
In most cases, the shipping charges are going to be well below what the items are worth anyway. The buyers money should have been saved by the seller until the buyer received the items.
Understanding and knowing shipping terms and laws is fundamental if wading into the realm of buying and selling where shipping is involved. Terms to be familiar with "Free on board" known as FOB, "FOB Origin" and "FOB Destination."
Knowing who's paying for shipping as a separate cost for the item being purchased and shipped helps in determining whether FOB Destination or FOB Origin is applicable, thus when transference of responsibility occurs between Seller to Buyer and who files insurance claims against the shipper.
People and businesses weigh the cost of a transaction and their reputation; doing the right thing doesn't always equate to what the laws says but the law doesn't prevent the Seller from making the Buyer whole inorder to retain the Seller's good name.
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silverpop or whomever it is now, what a worthless stain on this hobby.
I've seen his listings on the BST. The coins themselves seemed fine, but his weird way of listing stuff and his terms made me decide no way I'd ever buy a coin from him. This thread basically confirms it. I've seen other threads in the past where he would just pull listings. No thanks.
10-4,
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My registry sets
Colin Dickerson, a class act. 👏
My short list of sellers I'd never deal with has just added a name.
Over $110?
Man, this reminds me of that Dave Chappelle skit "When Keepin' it Real Goes Wrong."
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At this pace he’ll be the most LOLed person on the forum. I wonder why.
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My brother, its $110. Just pay it back
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Agree. 3% for the safety and "insurance" of the charge back.
Very sad..... Seller has responsibility - fact, not opinion. Cheers, RickO
Indeed, very disappointing to read all of this….
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Hi Leo, I truly appreciate your offer but I'll respectfully decline. I'm OK, out a few dollars but it's not going to break me. My goal was to call attention to this seller so no one else may go through what I did, it was truly frustrating. When I saw his post showing his new Morgan purchase I had to finally speak up on the forum.
To all of you who have been supportive, thank you as well. I didn't expect the 2 threads to get all this attention but I'm glad that they have. We're all in this together and 99.99% of the folks here are truly stand-up people.
Thanks, Bill
The thread title might read “nevermind”, but many of us DO mind - a great deal.
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Time for a bump
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Does silverpop sell items on ebay? Though one does have some protection as a buyer there, just sayin'......
This guy deserves a good spanking!! BUMP
Seller is obviously responsible for making this right if the package cannot be found. Just curious if you have talked to your actual postmaster to see if he/she can initiate a search. It was apparently out for delivery, meaning it was on someone's truck... but the driver never scanned it as delivered. Priority mail shipping I assume? Or was it first class with some sort of tracking added? Physical address or PO Box?
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What in the world do you mean by that? Do you know what coins you sold him? Do you know how much money he paid you for them? Do you know how you shipped the coins? Do you know the address you shipped to? Why don't you take a little personal responsibility here and try to find out what happened instead of just washing your hands of it? This is one of your customers. You got his money but he didn't get your coins. How fair of a deal does that sound to you? Your customer service is horseshit, pal. Someone like you shouldn't be dealing with the public. It's his job to get you your money and your job to get him his coins. You failed in your job. You need to make this up to him. If you can't figure it out and get him his coins you have to apologize and give him his money back. You've no right to it. Imagine Amazon Prime tells you they shipped your order and if you didn't get it that's your hard luck, how long do you think they'd be in business treating customers like that? Amazon Prime would be breaking their backs trying to find out what happened and making their customer right. Any reputable seller would. Get a clue on how to treat your customers or get out of this, they don't need this.
@silverpop
Why in the world won’t you make this right? It’s not that much money to flush your name down the toilet. This is severely messed up.!
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... have talked to your actual postmaster - I talked to the branch 3 times, the supervisor twice early on and she did initiate a search but didn't find it. She thought very possibly it was involved in a spill from a broken package. I feel like she really did go out of her way to be helpful and do everything she could.
), never had a problem.
... it was apparently out for delivery, meaning it was on someone's truck - PO told me that "out for delivery" doesn't necessarily mean it was actually on the truck when given that designation. On a side-note, I've had the same carrier for 15 years or so. He's delivered hundreds if not thousands of packages to us in that time (mostly my wife's
... priority mail shipping I assume? Or was it first class with some sort of tracking added? Physical address or PO Box? - I asked Colin how it was sent, answer, "first class retail mail package with tracking #". It was addressed to my physical address...
I asked Colin several times via email and PM to file a lost / stolen claim as the PO suggested. He's not communicated with me since early April so I have no idea if he did or not. I highly doubt it, he's got my money, I think that's all he cares about. With the package being uninsured First Class I don't know if a claim could be filed anyway.
Anyway, I appreciate the questions but I feel like I did everything I could do to get info from the PO, and having a seller like this is one of the more frustrating things I've dealt with in a long time.
I have zero hope that I'll ever see a dime (modern / circulated) let alone the $110. I messed up and trusted someone I didn't know on the BST. As others have stated, the No Paypal / personal check only should have caused me concern but it didn't. I'm a trusting person by nature and this time it cost me, he's not trustworthy. I've made peace with it and as I said in my original post, Karma's a Bitch.
Again, thank you all for your support,
Bill
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If uninsured there is nothing to claim against. Unfortunate. My first thought was a porch pirate after delivery since no signature was required.
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Paying by personal check is nor an issue. I used personal checks for my transactions buying from members. Once the check cleared they SENT the coins.
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Sounds like neither stepped up and discussed whether the package would be insured or not. That it was assumed it would be insured......this matter usually gets attention or it should have been brought up when the price and how the payment is to be made. The seller may be a youngster or with little experience and may not understand how the real world works. And this could be said about the buyer, making certain insurance was added.
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Once paid for the merchandise, the seller is obligated to get it into the hands of the buyer. He’s free to take the risk of not insuring the package, but the risk doesn’t transfer to the buyer. If the seller wanted the risk to rest upon the buyer, it was incumbent upon him to make that clear to the buyer. It doesn’t sound as if the seller did that.
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The seller has been a member on these forums for 20 years, so he's no youngster. He's got the buyers money and the buyer has no coins. He needs to refund the money.
@silverpop
Man up and do the right thing. Apparently he is not an honest man. You should be ashamed of yourself.
I disagree. It is the seller's responsibility until the tracking number shows the package as delivered. The onus for delivery to that point is on the seller's part not the buyer's. Furthermore, insurance (if any) is for the protection of the SELLER, not the buyer.
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It's just a head scratcher. $110 can be made back (and more) in a single transaction. Throwing it all away, his reputation... for the cost of dinner and drinks for two at Applebee's. It's beyond strange and hard to believe.
I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.
I think everyone is missing the point
HE DOESN'T THINK HE DID ANYTHING WRONG!
That's the problem
I don't think anyboby will be able to convice him otherwise
I hope he mans up, but, I'm not holding my breath.................
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Well, you won’t be able get in touch with him anymore,
he has deleted his profile. I
Too new to know how this affects his standing on the forum.
Good, his reputation was toast anyway, good riddance.......
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A hard disagree.
He'd have to be dull-witted not to know he is wrong.
Pig-headed is probably more like it.
Either way, it's a sad way to go through life.
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He's just set his profile to private again. He did the same thing soon after we realized there was a USPS problem. That was also a very frustrating part of this. I was still able to send him emails but of course no responses form him.
Sorry for all my posts, just trying to keep things accurate. Everyone's been very supportive,,, very much appreciated.
All the best,
Bill
I’m not sure that any further piling on is going to change anything here. The seller is by now aware of the forum consensus and can choose how to proceed.
I always ignored silverpop's posts as it seemed like he wasn't all there. A few years ago he was posting lots of random coins for $3 and $4 and the silver value was $5. His posts just didn't make any sense.
Unfortunately, the last year or so he has offered some nicer stuff ($50 - $150 range) but his posts were still funky and said name your price and he would often back out of sales that other members had committed to buy.
Still, I am sure he had some happy buyers over time or we would have seen a few dozen of these posts.
I am sorry he is being ridiculous. It just confirms the thought he isn't all there.
And you have no recourse if the coin doesn't arrive or is never sent. The personal check protects the seller not the buyer.
I had a package ripped open somewhere enroute to me.
Since the tracking showed delivered the seller wouldn't do anything about it. I can see where silverpop is coming from. After a few times of the buyer saying he didn't get it should be enough tho. Mine was bought off Ebay instead of BST
That’s another argument for insurance.
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Yes it is @MFeld !!
This thread is helpful to forewarn possible future buyers.
I can't imagine why neither discussed the insurance on sending the coin. I don't care who I deal with, I have always asked that question. It's my money I'm sending, I want insured. why would I not see that end of the transaction is taken care I'm not going to just assume it's taken care of It is a good idea to make certain the money you spend is insured and not just assume it is or will be. It is not known whether the seller is incapacitated in some way, mentally or physically, regardless> @MFeld said:
Where does the buyer take responsibility? It was his money he should have wanted/seen to it that it was insured. It's a very simple question. But the buyer didn't ask about the insurance until his coins failed to show up. lol
Another problem may be, perhaps the seller is incapacitated in some way, mentally or physically and in all reality, shouldn't be conducting transactions entirely by themselves.
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It’s a very simple answer - When the buyer receives the coin.
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Exactly. It's not a very difficult concept to understand.
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In what way does the insurance benefit the buyer? I’m confused by your point. In an insurance settlement, the money goes to the seller.
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Others have already answered, but you are ignoring them because you want your opinion to be the accepted "correct" one.
It is NOT incumbent on the buyer to insure, or worry about insuring, the package.
Now, a buyer who REALLY wants to make sure they get the package may ask/offer, but it isn't their responsibility to do so.
It is the RESPONSIBILITY of the seller to "self insure" and accept all risks or to charge/pay for the insurance otherwise, at which point, the buyer could negotiate it out or back off. If they negotiated it out, then I would likely agree with your stance. Removed from that, no, I do not agree with you even mentioning the responsibility of the buyer in regards to insurance.
I also do not, as others do, compare this to a major business like Amazon. Not even close.
It's most likely that poor packaging was used, it went through the USPS machines, was ripped apart, and there was NOTHING inside to identify the recipient. Likely was only on the outer layer, which, again, is poor planning/packaging.
The subject person of all this is someone I have avoided any transactions with over all the years, and have largely avoided even interacting with on the forum as something was always "off" and he was always argumentative with folks.
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" In what way does the insurance benefit the buyer? I’m confused by your point. In an insurance settlement, the money goes to the seller. "
Exactly. While insurance may be the way to go in many cases, it still depends on a co-operative seller. The seller is the one who purchases the insurance when shipping. If a claim is to be made on the shipment, it is the seller who has to initiate the claim. If the claim is paid, it is the seller who gets reimbursed. Then, in a perfect world, the seller refunds the money to the buyer (if not already done so.)
Years ago.... I purchased a coin that was sent insured. Never received it.... notified the seller. The seller said he sent the coin insured, so it was now up to me to 'file' a claim and followup on it. Yeah, right!! I don't remember if I succeeded in convincing the person to file a claim or not.... or perhaps had to eat the loss.
Insurance protects the seller so he can refund the buyer.
Insurance enriches the shipper...
The seller doesn't need 3rd party insurance to guarantee delivery to the buyer.
This was $100 sale. I would never buy insurance at that level. But I would ALWAYS refund the buyer.
The bigger mistake here is engaging in a cash transaction. None of this happens if the buyer insists on a PP transaction.
In most cases, the shipping charges are going to be well below what the items are worth anyway. The buyers money should have been saved by the seller until the buyer received the items.
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I have had successful purchases with him in the past, but I certainly would think twice about it now.
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Understanding and knowing shipping terms and laws is fundamental if wading into the realm of buying and selling where shipping is involved. Terms to be familiar with "Free on board" known as FOB, "FOB Origin" and "FOB Destination."
See North America under this link for guidance of the above terms and their meaning with examples: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FOB_(shipping)
Knowing who's paying for shipping as a separate cost for the item being purchased and shipped helps in determining whether FOB Destination or FOB Origin is applicable, thus when transference of responsibility occurs between Seller to Buyer and who files insurance claims against the shipper.
People and businesses weigh the cost of a transaction and their reputation; doing the right thing doesn't always equate to what the laws says but the law doesn't prevent the Seller from making the Buyer whole inorder to retain the Seller's good name.
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