SLQ. Under, Over or Correct.
ironmanl63
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I am recovering from trigger finger surgery on both hands and to distract from the discomfort decided to show this coin for discussion.
1930 25C PCGS MS64+ failed CAC approval.
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these photos were previously taken by me. I will reshoot with my white balance corrected as soon as I am able.
Not a collector, but I feel it to be undergraded. Your fields and bodies look mighty clean to me. JMO
Here is a photo of PCGS MS66+ from CoinFacts. Compare.
Jim
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It looks like a nice coin and I don't see an issue with it. Are there a patch of hairlines somewhere that we don't see in the images? Alternatively, do you think it might have a bit of PVC on the surfaces? If you simply asked if it would receive a CAC sticker I would have said yes.
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No hairlines that I can see. I can not see any PVC but I am not well versed in being able to detect it. A weak spot in my ability to evaluate coins. When I received the coin back from CAC there was not a red PVC sticker. I think it might have failed because they see some rub or weak strike. I thought the coin would be a lock green sticker. I like the coin a lot and am very interested in what other posters may see that I have missed.
I say it is undergraded, or at least deserves the CAC. I see no major contact marks or distractions. Luster is good, strike is not terrible.
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I saw some other posts in other threads stating CAC doesn't like plus grades. So maybe they agree it's a 64 but not a 65? Still a beautiful coin; nothing negative that I can see so I say under.
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When I looked I thought about the line on the obverse at about 8 o/c coming off of the rim into the coin.
@Tramp CAC does not consider the + when evaluating coins for a CAC sticker. For this coin, if it was approved, then the CAC sticker would represent a solid for the grade of 64 only (no plus considered).
Edit - took a screen shot. This is what I was wondering about.
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Grade looks right, but no CAC is puzzling, something we can't see on the surface that is holding back the bean?
BTW, hope your recouperation is successful. Painful, I'm sure. Terrible issue, have only had infrequent occurrences and you have my sympathy. But now over I hope. For those who frequent CAC, does color bother JA?
Jim
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The coin is so very close to FH as well!
It has trace friction, hence the no bean ... my opinion.
See reverse, eagles breast and base of wing.
Is it graded right? Tough question. To the purist, maybe not. They might say AU64+. To the overall market, yes ... also my opinion.
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What a gorgeous coin! I really don't know much about CAC (never submitted to a dealer who would send in on my behalf) but I sure can't see where any problems would prevent it from obtaining "the bean". I don't see any field rubs. I DID notice the minuscule dark spot under the shield. Could that be the culprit? Also, looking at the PCGS online grading guide, weakness in the"dots" at the lower left around the shield is consistent even with higher grades and your coin has more lines visible on the "inner shield" than some of the photos of higher grades. (Please excuse my lack of technical terminology.) So, I sit clearly confused about the grade.
Hope the finger surgery is successful. As a pianist here, that would be a major bummer. Already had a kidney transplant so I don't need any more excitement. 😐
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I need to add, I love it! It's an outstanding looking coin!!
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Todd - BHNC #242
Just a WAG here but there might be some rub on the front leg down to below the knee. My guess is that CAC might have felt it was a 63 at best due to this. It looks like a nice coin but that's the only thing I can think of that might keep it from CAC.
jom
I don’t like the dark spot - shield area. Could that have caused CAC not sticker it? I can’t see any other reason it could have failed at CAC. It is average quality IMO. Now the one that sold at Heritage 4/19 nicer and would say it’s PQ.
Looks correct to me, Maybe dipped and re- toned for the CAC denial.
Probably some high point friction on the knee, which maybe caused the coin to net grade at 64 with PCGS. I think CACG would only grade it AU 58+ therefore as they are purists
Correct.
The only thing I see that may prevent the CAC bean, is the lack of feather detail on the Eagle breast and what appears to be slight rub on the knee of Liberty. Actually a nice SLQ. Cheers, RickO
You can only see the line at certain angles mostly it is non existent without a glass.
I think this is the most likely explanation.
The spot is almost unnoticeable without a strong loop. I really doubt it is the reason for no bean.
Can you not request, for a fee or not, JA to explain why it was rejected?
Jim
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I am more and more convinced this is the reason. The coin is still a keeper for my collection. I like it and it is the only SLQ I own. I would like to acquire a nice 1917 type 1.
You can ask and he will give a reason. I sent this coin about 2 years ago and did not ask at the time. I believe that ship has sailed. This is one I might resubmit with some other coins I will be sending.
Thanks for the well wishes after the surgery.
Are your photos current or from 2 years ago?
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
From 2 years ago. They are fairly accurate. May look slightly different when I reshoot with new white balance setting.
I looked at that coin and disagree. I have not seen it in hand but I really like mine. Different strokes for different folks. My coin has a very thick and rich luster that may not be showing in the pics.
The coin does not look dipped at all. Full thick luster.
Failed CAC approval? It didn't "fail" anything. Another expert simply agreed with the assigned grade.
Just my 2¢
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I'm too bothered by the crooked obverse TV photo with IGWT tilting down instead of straight to provide an opinion.
The color on the TV makes the coin look like it lacks originality... or the color is not original.