This one is definitely for the record books!
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Came home last night and pulled this baby out of my pocket change and have been racking my brain all night trying to find any article, video, forum post or anything to explain what I’ve found. Maybe y’all can help me understand how this even could’ve happened!!
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What is it you think happened?
@MWallace, I honestly have no clue. I want to test it for silver content, but don’t know if I even should or if I should just send it to PCGS and let them do their assessment before they slab it for me.
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I think you should just spend it.
@WiskyTangoFoxtrot... Welcome aboard. Your coin has severe Post Mint Damage (PMD) and as such, warrants no numismatic premium and certainly not worth the expense of sending to a TPG. It is just spending money. Cheers, RickO
@coinJP. Have you ever found one before? And if you have, would you have spent it knowing that it could possibly be the only one in existence?
It got damaged from banging around in a coin counter too long.
She looks like Madonna's new face.......
For anyone who plans to spend their time trying to explain why this coin is nothing out of the ordinary, see here from the OP: https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1087149/possible-1930-s-wheat-cent-overdate
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It's most valuable spent as a tip or given to a kid
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Thanks for the heads up.
So many people to ignore now. Thanks for acting like children y’all..
Send it to PCGS, I'd use the Express service, good luck.
The coin is damaged. There is no mystery.
When you continue to not listen, people assume you are not serious about learning.
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Looks like it spent a few days in a Walmart parking lot.
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I think this is a find of a lifetime!
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Obvious damage. Worth $1.
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This one is an obvious troll, probably an alt of a previous banned member. Note how he tagged Fred Weinberg, Fred never commented on his 1930-s thread, but yet he knows that Fred is an expert.
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Amazing discovery, I didn't think those things circulated.
Yes I've found a few actually in circulation. They are worth $1.
@WiskyTangoFoxtrot —
Post photo of coin with question. (If poster knows answer he should not post question.)
Informed people endeavor to answer.
Assimilate the information.
Appreciate the help, say, “Thank you.”
Disagree, say, “Thank you.”
Coin forum is about objects, not egos.
Egos are funny.
This thread is entertainment. Keep posting this crap for me.
To old men, “acting like children, y’all” is sort of a compliment, I don’t mind,
Coins can be pretty, look around.
@DeplorableDan, I’ve read some of Mr Weinberg’s literature. I’m well aware of whom he is.
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@Fraz, if the forum isn’t about egos, and it’s about objects like you say, how come some of the people with higher amounts of posts speak as though they’re comments shouldn’t be challenged or debated? That sounds kind of narcissistic don’t you think? Much like, being egotistical isn’t it?🤨🤔
Edit- Never-mind, don't know why I bothered to engage in conversation. Move along gentlemen, do not pass go and do not pay the troll toll.
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@DeplorableDan, not once did I say, or state that it was or that I thought it was an error. I simply asked how this may have happened. And considering that the Sac $1 is made of Manganese Brass, with a copper core, I thought it was a little odd that the surface looked to be more silver-like than what would be expected from that amount of “wear” which would be the copper core since 88.5% of the coin is copper, and of the other metals used in the composition, make up the brass surface. So….?
@DeplorableDan, If I had an idea, I would have stated my own theory on how this happened, but if you read my first response to @MWallace, I honestly don’t know. Thus you’ve all ignored the fact that I’ve given a response to being asked what I thought it was, and have continued to berate and belittle me thinking that’s going to somehow make me magically come up with a better answer.
I noticed you show a close up of the date and mintmark. Is there something there you are trying to point out or something there I should be looking for?
That is not analogous.
You posted asking how "this" could have happened without specifying what "this" was. You included a closeup of the damage to the date so the obvious assumption here was that you thought the damage was an error.
I've seen tens of thousands of golden dollars (Sacs, presidential, etc.). The outer clad layers can take on a variety of colors ranging from a light color to a dark brassy color.
Your coin is completely normal.
prove it then
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how much you want for her slabbed?
get it done then let me know I am very interested.
@cheezhed, nothing particular about the magnification of the date and mint mark, it was just difficult to read with the lighting and surrounding damage in that one picture.
Sorry to say that this Sac. dollar and the 1930 cent, as many others have told you, is just damaged from contact Marks/ circulation – the color might be off because manganese can change color a bit depending on where it’s been in circulation, but in either case your coin is worth face value, and it’s not an error coin of any kind or type – as numerous other very qualified posters have said.
The reverse is also struck off center if you need any additional evidence to consider.
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@JBK, I'm curious, if a normal Sac weighs 8.1 grams, and this coin when weighed, amounts to 7.87 grams, that would mean the total weight of the Brass clad layer that is completely missing from this coin, would only amount to .23 grams? That’s taking into consideration that copper, zinc, manganese and nickel are used to make that brass as well. I’m honestly asking if that sounds like an accurate weight measurement of the amount of brass contained in the clad layer in comparison to the weight of the rest of the coin?
Hi, here's a bit of something you can do at home to determine if it's silver:
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First, you never mentioned weight as an issue or question previously.
Second, there are acceptable tolerances for all coinage issues. Is your coin within tolerances?
Third, if your coin was missing the outer layer then the pure copper core would be exposed and would be a different color.
While Fred and many other's have given their opinions, the OP still doesn't listen and also bashes some for their opinions. You have a heavily circulated Sac with environmentally damaged color. I can never understand why people take the time to become a member hear to get knowledgeable answers about coins, and then just bash those giving the opinions. If you don't believe in the opinions you have received, send it off to pcgs and waste your money and quit wasting peoples time!!!
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@FredWeinberg, thank you for your input. Unfortunately not many of the other “qualified posters” were able to offer an explanation of why it wasn’t something unusual or unique, but that it just wasn’t. I thank you for being more specific in your response. I will continue to hear from others though, and I hope if anyone finds one like this, they will add pictures of it to this feed.
I’ve personally never seen brass become this light in color, ever, so to me this is extremely unique, especially because manganese is used to increase the strength, toughness, stiffness, wear resistance, and hardness of the brass itself. I’m pretty sure that why Niki Lauda used manganese engine components in his Formula One car back in the 70’s, because they were lighter and stronger than the standards of that time.
I'm guessing garbage disposal find... I realize that coins can incur similar damage from parking lots but I'm just trying to think outside the box.
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They technically aren't brass. Brass is copper and zinc.
They are brass in appearance, most of the time. The specific alloy is, as far as I know, unique to the dollar coins, so experience with dollar coins is relevant.
Just a suggestion, for the benefit of all involved. In the future, when making an inquiry to the forum,
along with good photos, a brief explanation as to just what the suspected issue is- would be helpful.
In this case, it being metal composition and color, including a normally colored coin along with this one, and a written explanation of one’s suspicions would be very helpful while evaluating the coin in question.
Photos can be less than perfect when evaluating color, so when first opening this thread, it was the overall major features and wear to this coin that the viewer was jumping on.
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@JBK, this is per the usmint.gov website, the name of the clad layer and percentages of metals used to produce both the coin and clad are as follows:
Manganese brass composition:
77% copper
12% zinc
7% manganese
4% nickel
Golden Dollar's overall composition:
88.5% copper
6% zinc
3.5% manganese
2% nickel
Many thing can cause discolorations on coins.
Heat can cause all sorts of colors.
Here are a couple that the discoloration was caused by heat, they are not plated.