Possible 1930 S Wheat Cent Overdate? 🤔
WiskyTangoFoxtrot
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I can’t determine if underneath the zero is a 5, an 8, or an accidental “S.” So I figured I’d post a few pictures of it & see what others have to say.
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I see nothing, looks like a case of microscope induced pareidolia.
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Ya I don't see anything either.
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Nothing there.
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@WiskyTangoFoxtrot... Welcome aboard. Very good pictures, but there is nothing there but surface damage and the hit on the 0.... Much like seeing images in clouds, our imaginations can see things in surface irregularities of coins - usually due to wear, handling, damage.. all Post Mint Damage (PMD). Cheers, RickO
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I’ll just leave this here and see if anyone decides pareidolia is still as useless as a excuse or answer as to why they see something differently than another..
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Or maybe a little outline to point your eyes in the direction to see how I see it..
I’m no expert, but the design of the “2” used in the 1920’s does match the outline I have made under the 3. And I’m not saying that it’s perfect or even visible with ease, but to straight deny that it’s even a possibility based on all the strange things that have made it onto coins over the years, such as other over dating like on the 1918 D, 8 over 7 Buffalo Nickel, or the 1942, 42 over 41 Liberty Dime.
Whatever it might be, it's not obvious. If 40x magnification is required to see some artifact on a coin, it's probably not worth going through the trouble of whatever you want to do with the coin. Nice pictures though.
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@anablep, I was simply looking for a confirmation of the possibility, not an outright rejection because it’s not as definitive. And I don’t remember asking if it was worth anything either. It’s for my own personal collection of oddities & mishaps. I don’t want to sell it, but if it was a kind of over date variety, who better to bring it to than the attention of the largest group of collectors on any given forum?
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The 2 appears too large for the size of a 2 used by the mint.
The 8 would be too small for the size used by the mint.
Sorry, it's not what you think it might be.
Still don't see it 😕
@ifthevamzarockin,
Here I have 2 1920 cents, side by side so you can see that even though they are both from the Philadelphia mint, there are still noticeably different profiles of the 2 that was used.
Here is the 1920 side by side the 1930 and remarkably the outline of the 2 in question under the 3, looks not only to be a similar size, but also follows the same design profile of the 2 on the 1920.
@ifthevamzarockin, obviously the design profile of the 0 is different, and if I had a 1928 to put side by side with the 1930, you would probably notice that the 8 is of similar design and size to that of the questionable 8 under the 0 of the1930 coin.
If you try doing a photo overlay you will see the size difference.
Notice how tall the 8 is.
Here are a couple of photos for you to play with.
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The examples of “over dating” you mentioned are different from the coin you posted in that they are visible and don’t require the use of imagination.
Of course, you’re free to “see” whatever you want, even if it’s not there. And while I could be wrong, I suspect that you’re just having some fun. Regardless, I hope you enjoy your coin.
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You are free to think or see whatever you like on that or any coin, I'm sure that if you look hard enough you will have no trouble imagining a bunny rabbit face too. However, I'll not be falling down the microscope rabbit hole with you, all I see is a well circulated wheat cent, great for a wheat cent folder.
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I'd like to put an O in there pat
Don't you think that someone would have noticed an overdate in the 90 years since it was minted? Overdates are not unique. Every coin of that die would have the same overdate.
@jmlanzaf, unless, I don’t know, a worker at the mint happened to take a 28’ Penny and put it directly onto the press thinking it would be a cool memento of their job at the mint? Haven’t crazier one off coins come out over the years with a similar stories? Hell, maybe they decided to reuse a die, and I happened to find a coin that had been struck by it before it wore out to where it wasn’t as noticeable. I can only speculate, but then again, that’s all you can do too. And no, I don’t think that someone may have noticed that in the last 90 years, most people tend to be oblivious to the finite details of pocket change.
nothing there just a beat up penny
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I'm with the OP. He needs to send it to PCGS, express service . . . . . .
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I think the consensus is to save your money because there is nothing special about this coin, and it's definitely not an overdate. The people here have seen many, many overdates, and photos of many others, and no one believes it's an overdate or even the possibility of an overdate. But if you are determined, send it in, and pay the tuition.
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You don't think you're just seeing things?
OP likes to post these things and can come up with tons of excuses as to why he's right and everyone else is wrong.
So...put up or shut up. Send them in and post the results. Otherwise this is a waste of time and server space.
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"I was simply looking for a confirmation of the possibility, not an outright rejection" TRANSLATION: If you can't tell me I am correct, don't comment.
A double struck coin is not the same as an overdate.
Occam's razor. "Anything can happen" is not evidence.
People may be oblivious. Variety specialists are not.
I'm not speculating. I'm looking at the coin objectively.
You need to study further.
We are all wrong. You have a very special coin. Send it for grading.
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Its like a bad penny, it keeps turning up
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It is a bad penny, which is why it keeps showing up.
Because people keep responding to it!
OH NO! Now I just did - sorry...........
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@Pizzaman. No, I don’t think I’m “just seeing things.” I posted this to hear the opinions of others, and though I don’t necessarily agree with the majority of responses, it doesn’t mean that I dislike any of them for giving their opinions.
After further research, I have come to realize that I may have used the wrong terminology to describe what I see on the coin in my original post, causing people to hyper-focus on just that particular point of it not being an “overdate.” Really what I should’ve asked is, if it was a “Class 3 Doubled Die” instead.
Very intellectually agile of you. You asked if it has a "5, an 8, or an accidental S" under the zero? That was your initial question that made us hyperfocus on the question you asked.
Now that we are refocussed on the correct question: Not a class 3 doubled die.
@Russell12. Not true by a long shot. I’m all for being proven wrong, and will gladly accept and acknowledge that I am wrong, when someone can actually prove me wrong either by explanation, or through physical evidence. Opinions about why any one individual thinks that it is not what my query asked about, provides neither.
TRANSLATION: If I’m not learning anything because you’re giving me an opinion based on the feeling of your personal experience or education, but you’re not providing any reasoning, knowledge or logic to your analysis in response, why should I have blind faith to accept it without further clarification or question?
Explanation: what you see on your coin is the result of contact marks, circulation marks, and other marks – well, after the coin had been in circulation. your coin is not a Mint error of any kind or type. I’m sorry to say.
Your coin did not leave the US Mint looking like that at all in 1930
It's funny to me that your photos and comments are filling in my moving on questions so to say.
After all this, I'm moving on again, saving this coin for another time.
I'd like to thank you for your passion on this subject.
I hope these photo's will fill in some blanks. Please note in your first photo, north of the 3, is a scratch like image of a 2.
Same as in my photo. If I track down any other information that helps you ? You can count on me to share the damage.
You're asking us to prove a negative. The burden is on you to prove the affirmative. [Prove that you're not a bank robber.]
There is no evidence of doubling.
There is no evidence of an overdate. You just heard from the foremost error expert in the US. But I'm sure that won't convince you either. It's just pareidolia.
Describe the sort of explanation or physical evidence that you will accept as a proof.
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@jmlanzaf. I’ve already accepted that it’s not an overdate as I had previously stated that I was wrong for using that term incorrectly, hence why I asked about the possibility of a class 3 doubled die, to which both you & Mr. Weinberg have replied and said that was not the case either. So I’m past asking what it could be, but I did respond to a few comments, one to acknowledge my incorrect use of terminology, and the other to more or less stand my ground in my expectation to gain new knowledge through these discussion threads.