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NEWP- 1942 Type 2 5c PR65, and a Major Milestone! (GRADE UPDATE)

FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 2,845 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited February 14, 2023 2:39PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Today arrived the last part of the 1942 proof set that I have been putting together, marking an end to a four year journey. It's been a long ride, but a super fun one. Here's the NEWP:

This coin is IMO a dead ringer for the CAM plate coin on CoinFacts, and looks better than the rest of the CAM coins. So much so, in fact, that I don't even care what the label says, so I fixed it. :lol:

It is a stunner.

Here's the rest of the set:




I may end up replacing the half at some point, probably for one with some originality to it. I do love how there is some mix between the contrasted pieces and the original toned ones. I'm super proud of this set!

Young Numismatist, Coin Photographer.

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  • TomBTomB Posts: 20,725 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Terrific accomplishment and you should be proud of this set!

    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

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  • MaywoodMaywood Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice set, the sense of completion is always comforting. Next: the upgrade journey begins!! B)

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice looking set.

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  • Peace_dollar88Peace_dollar88 Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Stunning.

  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,246 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice set. Great addition to your collection.
    Jim


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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is a great set of coins... and a significant year for me (birth year). Great achievement and you are justifiably proud of it. Cheers, RickO

  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great set, congrats

    Frank

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  • gonzergonzer Posts: 2,989 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Choice! Upgrade on the Merc in the future?

  • divecchiadivecchia Posts: 6,527 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Congratulations on putting together a terrific looking set!!!

    You should be proud of your accomplishment and at such a young age.

    Donato

    Hobbyist & Collector (not an investor).
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  • Glen2022Glen2022 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭✭

    Please advise the grades of the coins. Thanks

  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 2,845 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The grades are:
    Cent: PF64RD CAM
    Nickel Type 1: PR67
    Nickel Type 2: PR65
    Dime: PF64
    Quarter: PR66
    Half: PR66

    Young Numismatist, Coin Photographer.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,007 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Congratulations and very well done!

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • MJDMJD Posts: 87 ✭✭✭

    I finished my 42 set a few years ago. It was a fun set to put together, as well as being very affordable.

  • psuman08psuman08 Posts: 232 ✭✭✭

    Congrats on completing your set!

  • WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 6,341 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice set.
    Congratulations.
    Wayne

    Kennedys are my quest...

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,472 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The 1942 six piece Proof set is a great source for type coins. You have the War Nickel, Mercury Dime and Walking Liberty Half Dollar which are all "unusual." Despite a mintage of 27,600, I think that the Proof War Nickel is a special coin and somewhat of a bargain at the current levels.

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  • dunkleosteus430dunkleosteus430 Posts: 471 ✭✭✭✭

    Nice job. Will you attempt to complete the rest of the 1936-1942 proof sets, continue to upgrade that one, do something else, or a combination of those things?

    Young Numismatist

  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 2,845 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @dunkleosteus430 said:
    Nice job. Will you attempt to complete the rest of the 1936-1942 proof sets, continue to upgrade that one, do something else, or a combination of those things?

    My next focus is completing my set of 1936-42 proof quarters, though I have hit a roadblock at the 1939. I may have to put that one on hold and start looking for a 1937. I'll figure it out :smile:.

    Though I must say - a set of 1938-42 Jefferson nickels is particularly tempting.

    Young Numismatist, Coin Photographer.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,472 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I completed a 1936 to 1942 Proof set run at the Summer FUN show. It's interesting that the 1939 is giving your trouble. The biggest trouble I had was that buying Proof coins on the Internet is tough because of the photography issues.

    Here is my 1939 quarter, which is a PCGS PR-66.

    For whatever reason I have been drawn to the 1938 Jefferson Nickel perhaps because it is the first of its kind.

    Here is the way Schlag designed it.


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  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 2,845 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BillJones

    I can find coins that have good obverse details, but never both obverse and reverse together. The coin you posted is a great example, I'd be pretty happy with that one. I can't afford anything over 66 right now though.

    Here's my 1938 nickel. I really like the adopted design, and although many rave about the original Schlag design, I find it a bit cartoonish and unfit for national coinage. It appears the director of the mint in 1938 didn't appreciate the design as much either. Here's my 1938:

    Young Numismatist, Coin Photographer.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,472 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 28, 2022 2:26PM

    I can find coins that have good obverse details, but never both obverse and reverse together. The coin you posted is a great example, I'd be pretty happy with that one. I can't afford anything over 66 right now though.

    The 1938 Jefferson Nickel I posted is graded PR-66.

    I found that the best way to buy these Proof coins is to hit every table at a large show, like FUN. A small dealer had that one and was ready to sell it for Grey Sheet bid.

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  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 2,845 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BillJones said:

    I can find coins that have good obverse details, but never both obverse and reverse together. The coin you posted is a great example, I'd be pretty happy with that one. I can't afford anything over 66 right now though.

    The 1938 Jefferson Nickel I posted is graded PR-66.

    I found that the best way to buy these Proof coins is to hit every table at a large show, like FUN. A small dealer had that one and was ready to sell it for Grey Sheet bid.

    My apologies, I missed that. I would have gladly snapped that 1939 up if I had the opportunity then! :smile:

    Great coin, you should be happy with that one!

    Young Numismatist, Coin Photographer.

  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 19,679 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FlyingAl said:

    This coin is IMO a dead ringer for the CAM plate coin on CoinFacts, and looks better than the rest of the CAM coins. So much so, in fact, that I don't even care what the label says, so I fixed it. :lol:

    I agree about the cameo. PCGS was late to the game adding the CAM/DCAM designations to coins, although I think they had started about when that label was being used. Big jump in value as a cameo. Might want to give it a shot.

  • bagofnickelsbagofnickels Posts: 349 ✭✭✭✭

    Congrats on the set. Those are sweet! 36-42 proofs are super cool coins. Nothing like the feeling of accomplishment and being genuinely happy and proud of said accomplishment.

  • Eldorado9Eldorado9 Posts: 2,106 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A truly beautiful set of proofs Buddy. Congrats! You have a great eye for quality pieces.

  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 2,845 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @messydesk said:

    @FlyingAl said:

    This coin is IMO a dead ringer for the CAM plate coin on CoinFacts, and looks better than the rest of the CAM coins. So much so, in fact, that I don't even care what the label says, so I fixed it. :lol:

    I agree about the cameo. PCGS was late to the game adding the CAM/DCAM designations to coins, although I think they had started about when that label was being used. Big jump in value as a cameo. Might want to give it a shot.

    I will probably go ATS in due time. I just got a submission back from PCGS, and I had to agree that they have been really tough on any CAM/DCAM material. I'm not going to risk it with something like this (CAM decisions on 1936-42 proofs are always liners), so I think that will be the best choice. The 1938 I posted above is currently ATS, so how they grade that one will give me recent data from both services on how they are grading these coins (I expect a star on the 1938).

    Young Numismatist, Coin Photographer.

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 23,080 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Perfect GEM proof!
    Congratulations.
    The scarcer PCGS slab is a nice bonus too.

    peacockcoins

  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,381 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think the Proof silver war nickels are completely underappreciated issue, And really rare in Cameo. Your mirrors might be a little shower for the designation but the frost is there, or it might make it as that was a tough era for PCGS and cam. I have a half dozen or so war nickel proofs and typically pick them up when I see them attractive and cheap. Here is my most recent

  • fiftysevenerfiftysevener Posts: 896 ✭✭✭✭

    I own only one ANACS coin thus far. I bought this because it is the deepest '36 to '42 quarter I've seen.

  • fiftysevenerfiftysevener Posts: 896 ✭✭✭✭

    @fiftysevener said:
    I own only one ANACS coin thus far. I bought this because it is the deepest '36 to '42 quarter I've seen.

    ANACS Pf 67. I think this is a special coin as no cameo quarters have been certified. This one is not cameo but has reaally deeeep mirrors. No hairlines are evident but a couple ticks are noticeable up close and probably only Pf 66 and what a great example to show. My set actually includes a NGC Pf 67 CAC coin.

  • WalkerloverWalkerlover Posts: 695 ✭✭✭✭

    @FlyingAl said:
    The grades are:
    Cent: PF64RD CAM
    Nickel Type 1: PR67
    Nickel Type 2: PR65
    Dime: PF64
    Quarter: PR66
    Half: PR66

    Nice attractive set, only critique is the dime doesn’t seem to have FB.

  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 2,845 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerlover said:

    @FlyingAl said:
    The grades are:
    Cent: PF64RD CAM
    Nickel Type 1: PR67
    Nickel Type 2: PR65
    Dime: PF64
    Quarter: PR66
    Half: PR66

    Nice attractive set, only critique is the dime doesn’t seem to have FB.

    The dime does not have FB due to a clogged reverse die. However, this die pair remains one of the best detailed die pairs with the obverse being fully detailed. It is of note that this coin was struck by one of the die pairs that produced cameo coins, albeit quite a bit later in the die life (yes, some CAM coins also show a lack of FB).

    Young Numismatist, Coin Photographer.

  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,318 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A very nice set!
    I also have a non-FB Proof '42 dime, but in the case of the one I have it's just a crappy strike. :D

    Collector, occasional seller

  • FloridafacelifterFloridafacelifter Posts: 1,152 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice set and a job well done- congratulations!

  • lilolmelilolme Posts: 2,453 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @messydesk said:

    @FlyingAl said:

    This coin is IMO a dead ringer for the CAM plate coin on CoinFacts, and looks better than the rest of the CAM coins. So much so, in fact, that I don't even care what the label says, so I fixed it. :lol:

    I agree about the cameo. PCGS was late to the game adding the CAM/DCAM designations to coins, although I think they had started about when that label was being used. Big jump in value as a cameo. Might want to give it a shot.

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    A little information on:
    The OP holder has a 7 digit cert so it is an early Gen 4.0 (from Oct 98 to Feb 2002) - Not sure when they changed from 7 to 8 digits (maybe 99/00?). Checking a few pop report books, it appears that the CAM / DCAM was being used in April 1997 (first photo below) but no 1942 approved. The first one I see with a CAM / DCAM was April 2002 (second photo below - April 2001 had none approved). So when that was hollered there were no CAM / DCAM approved for 42.

    https://www.pcgs.com/holdermuseum/Gen4.0
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  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 2,845 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @lilolme

    Thank you for this information. I suspect that PCGS was probably looking for quite a nice CAM coin to be the first, as it was probably going to be subject to some scrutiny. I do think this one is quite contrasted in hand.

    If you or @messydesk wants to see a video of the coin, or anyone for that matter, feel free to PM me your email and I will gladly send a video.

    Young Numismatist, Coin Photographer.

  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 2,845 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I did send this Type 2 nickel in with the 1938 nickel in my other thread to NGC. It came back as a PF66, which is nice point bump that likely pays for the grading, but I was really looking for a CAM. I will probably try the coin again, but I think that may be a bit. I'll see :smile:.

    It is ridiculously hard to get a designation on these Proofs. One day I'll get it though :smile:.

    Young Numismatist, Coin Photographer.

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