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Setting the record straight on the finest known 1795 Overton 120 Flowing Hair Half Dollar

BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,133 ✭✭✭✭✭

This is a recent purchase. I spotted this piece at the 2022 Summer FUN show. The price was high, but I really liked it.

I have had very hard time capturing the way this piece looks in person. Here are photos of it from the dealer and from Heritage who sold it in 2015.

The dealer photos. This is the general look of the coin, but the luster is missing.


Here are the Heritage photos.


There are less than 20 known examples of this Overton variety. Heritage sold this piece in 2015 when it was in an NGC MS-62 holder. Subsequently it was cracked out and sent to PCGS where it got an AU-58.

The condition census on this variety is, this coin, an AU-58, an EF sharpness piece that is in a "cleaned" holder, two VF-30 pieces and VF-20. I bought this for the type, which means some Overton collectors might view it as "wasted on me." Nevertheless, I know what it is and would like to set the record straight for those who maintain information about condition census coins.

Here are my poor efforts to photograph this coin.


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  • pcgscacgoldpcgscacgold Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for sharing @BillJones
    You have an outstanding collection of American History. Always interesting to see examples of how the two grading companies see things differently. Enjoy the piece.

  • FloridafacelifterFloridafacelifter Posts: 1,285 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 18, 2022 10:28AM

    Congratulations that’s a beautiful example- I really like those early halves- I have a 1794 O-105 I bought for my type set as well, similarly not for variety purposes.

  • kazkaz Posts: 9,195 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A beautiful example and the backup ain't no slouch either!

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,501 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There's nothing wrong with that. Wtg on a nice pickup

  • pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 6,993 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Gorgeous looking example Bill! <3

    Love the under-grade "back-up" piece too!!


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  • lilolmelilolme Posts: 2,673 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice one. Good job finding and getting that upgrade.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BillJones .... Those are great coins. I am not versed on Overton numbers, but really appreciate quality coins from this period in American history. Cheers, RickO

  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,817 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice

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  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,160 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Beautiful... and inspiring!

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  • NysotoNysoto Posts: 3,818 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is a great flowing hair type coin as it is well struck throughout, a lot of these have striking weakness.

    Some interesting pricing on an example of the 1795 O-120 I purchased last year. There are around 17 known and about half are details coins with issues. The lone graded VG showed up at auction, PCGS has it valued at $7500 and type at $2150. It realized $2040, apparently I was the only variety bidder (my high bid was over 2x the PR), which is very unusual.

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,133 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 20, 2022 11:11AM

    @Nysoto said:
    That is a great flowing hair type coin as it is well struck throughout, a lot of these have striking weakness.

    Some interesting pricing on an example of the 1795 O-120 I purchased last year. There are around 17 known and about half are details coins with issues. The lone graded VG showed up at auction, PCGS has it valued at $7500 and type at $2150. It realized $2040, apparently I was the only variety bidder (my high bid was over 2x the PR), which is very unusual.

    I have noticed the same issues with some varieties of the 1795 Flowing Hair Dollars. This piece, from my collection, is graded EF-40. It is really an EF-45 from the technical aspect because there is luster within the protected parts within the stars and letters. Yet the detail in the hair and the eagle suggest even a lower grade than EF-40.


    This piece is a no questions asked Choice Mint State piece. Yet the details, which are as struck are not perfectly sharp. When you add a little wear, the sharpness grade goes down rather quickly.

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  • carabonnaircarabonnair Posts: 1,423 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Congratulations on a really nice purchase! It is surprising how few people collect these by die variety - in the long run I think it makes sense to get the added rarity if you can.

  • carabonnaircarabonnair Posts: 1,423 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Nysoto said:
    That is a great flowing hair type coin as it is well struck throughout, a lot of these have striking weakness.

    Some interesting pricing on an example of the 1795 O-120 I purchased last year. There are around 17 known and about half are details coins with issues. The lone graded VG showed up at auction, PCGS has it valued at $7500 and type at $2150. It realized $2040, apparently I was the only variety bidder (my high bid was over 2x the PR), which is very unusual.

    I saw that one, but didn't bid because I already had two examples!




    The reverse of this die marriage was the workhorse of the Flowing Hair type, but the obverse was short-lived, due to the break from the rim through the 7 and then further into the die.

  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 7,261 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Am excited for you Bill knowing the satisfaction that come from landing the prize. Thank you for sharing the news and the details about its rarity and the context therein.

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