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GTG: Freshly graded PCGS Walking Liberty

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GTG: Freshly graded PCGS Walking Liberty

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  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,428 ✭✭✭✭✭
    67

    I would have guessed MS67+, but it wasn't an option. So...

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  • alaura22alaura22 Posts: 3,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    68

    WOW, full skirt lines, full thumb as good as it gets
    MS-68

  • MarkInDavisMarkInDavis Posts: 1,711 ✭✭✭✭
    68

    Looks virtually flawless and lustrous. Looking at it on my phone, but having trouble finding any hits. A couple miniscule black dots. Awesome coin.

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  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 3,402 ✭✭✭✭✭
    67

    There’s barely a mark on that one. Great coin!

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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,532 ✭✭✭✭✭
    67

    I'm in the 67 camp as well

  • sweetwillietsweetwilliet Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭
    66

    Beautiful coin. I guessed 66, but could easily be higher.

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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,165 ✭✭✭✭✭
    66

    Sweet!

  • JBNJBN Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭✭✭
    66

    42-P is typically well struck. So I held back to 66.
    That is a beautiful half. No distractions or noise, perfect fields.
    Congratulations.

  • WilliamFWilliamF Posts: 831 ✭✭✭✭✭
    66

    Super clean lustrous 66, 67 would not be a shock at all but 66 was my initial impression, I love that you put anything lower than 64 in your poll :lol:

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  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,222 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I submitted for grading this year a 1941 P MS Walker that looks similar to the 1942 P posted above.

    My 1941 graded MS65 (I thought it would grade a 66).

    So my guess for the 1942 P pictured above is MS66.

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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,509 ✭✭✭✭✭
    67

    I see nothing that would preclude this from being a 67....and I'm generally a little stingy on walker GTGs.
    The bloom, strike, and mark free surfaces warrant it, IMO.

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  • AdamLAdamL Posts: 165 ✭✭✭
    67

    I voted 67, although I think it actually looks better than my '42 in a PCGS 67 slab.

  • jtlee321jtlee321 Posts: 2,364 ✭✭✭✭✭
    67

    Looks like an upper tier 67 to me. Nice flashy luster with a decent strike and clean fields. If it's any lower, I'd be very disappointed.

  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    65

    The obverse looks MS65 to me and heck a True-View shot by Phil easily adds 2 points so I can see the higher guesses.

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  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭✭✭
    67

    Yikes, thats a beautiful Walker, I'm going with 67 only because it's looks like the pics are trueview and not the actual coin pics in hand .

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  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,068 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm going to wait for the results. Absolute great looking Walker with such clean fields.
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  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 7,275 ✭✭✭✭✭
    68

    Intuition tells me that our OP is disappointed with the grade assigned so my top of the range guess is likely wrong.

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,801 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 12, 2022 6:30PM
    67

    @Broadstruck said:
    The obverse looks MS65 to me and heck a True-View shot by Phil easily adds 2 points so I can see the higher guesses.

    What distractions do you see on the obverse that make it look 65 to you? Or is it a case of “ownership adds a point”, but lack of it subtracts one or two?

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  • shishshish Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS-67

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  • Eldorado9Eldorado9 Posts: 2,371 ✭✭✭✭✭
    67

    That ain't no 65, and it ain't no 66 either. That's at least a 67. Nice coin.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,801 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 12, 2022 6:37PM
    67

    @Eldorado9 said:
    That ain't no 65, and it ain't no 66 either. That's at least a 67. Nice coin.

    Based on the images, many of us agree with you. But we don’t know what the coin actually looks like in hand. I’ve learned not to be too surprised when grades are revealed.

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  • Eldorado9Eldorado9 Posts: 2,371 ✭✭✭✭✭
    67

    @MFeld said:

    Based on the images, many of us agree with you. But we don’t know what the coin actually looks like in hand. I’ve learned not to be too surprised when grades are revealed.

    Generally agree, although I'd still be slightly shocked if it came back less than 67.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    67

    That is a super WLH and an outstanding year,...... Booming luster, just a marvelous coin. I guess MS67.... and it is a 67 to me, no matter what the label says... :D Cheers, RickO

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,301 ✭✭✭✭✭
    67

    67, Beautiful!

  • DelawareDoonsDelawareDoons Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for all the feedback so far. Will post the grade tonight along with my commentary.

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,801 ✭✭✭✭✭
    67

    @Broadstruck said:
    The obverse looks MS65 to me and heck a True-View shot by Phil easily adds 2 points so I can see the higher guesses.

    What, about the obverse, looks 65 to you?

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  • 68

    In the photo the only very tiny mark I could find is on the arm between the elbow and the hand. If the actual coin in hand looks as good as the picture I'd say MS68 or the graders needed another cup of coffee!

  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    66

    Very nice it’s not only about marks it strike and luster as well has two but needs just a little more strike but a very nice coin love it. I went with MS-66 but may make it into a 67 holder, I would of bought it.



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  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭✭✭
    67

    65 Wow! That's why True Views are for looks, not accuracy.

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,801 ✭✭✭✭✭
    67

    As I posted earlier: “I’ve learned not to be too surprised when grades are revealed.”

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 7,275 ✭✭✭✭✭
    68

    Wonder if grader turnover is responsible? Hard to believe that grade!

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  • DelawareDoonsDelawareDoons Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 13, 2022 4:32PM

    @Steven59 said:
    65 Wow! That's why True Views are for looks, not accuracy.

    I can grade and have been offered jobs as a grader. It's not a 65, nowhere near. This is just straight up botched. Guess it happens, but very frustrating. I have my issues with TV's but in this case, they're very accurate. Well struck, booming luster, free of marks, hairlines, or other defects. I'll post a gif of it once it's back in hand.

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  • privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,474 ✭✭✭✭✭
    65

    Send to CAC for a chance at gold.

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  • DelawareDoonsDelawareDoons Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @privatecoin said:
    Send to CAC for a chance at gold.

    Yeah, thinking about it. Depends on how bogged down they are, I'm not paying $35 to try it since I know it'll green if it doesn't gold.

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  • privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,474 ✭✭✭✭✭
    65

    @DelawareDoons said:

    Yeah, thinking about it. Depends on how bogged down they are, I'm not paying $35 to try it since I know it'll green if it doesn't

    Well if it greens, I'll buy it. I only have an MS62 so far. ;)

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  • DelawareDoonsDelawareDoons Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @privatecoin said:

    Well if it greens, I'll buy it. I only have an MS62 so far. ;)

    I wouldn't sell it for less than 66+ money regardless of bean status. ;)

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  • MaywoodMaywood Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    66

    @Eldorado9 said: That ain't no 65, and it ain't no 66 either. That's at least a 67. Nice coin. I'd still be slightly shocked if it came back less than 67.

    You may commence with your shock, however slight!! :p

    For Walkers, 1942-P is perhaps the most submitted date, they come looking very, very nice with great luster and superb detail. At that and judging only from the picture, this coin exhibits a little central weakness on the reverse even as the obverse looks hammered. Most of the 1940's "P" mint coins look pretty good and this one looks exceptional.

  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 3,402 ✭✭✭✭✭
    67

    Ouch! The five month wait on that one must sting a bit more than usual. I can't see a reason to call that a 65.

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  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 13, 2022 6:33PM
    67

    Send it economy - it will get a 7 then you will get charged $10 for a “service adjustment”. Sadly, it does not work the other way — you don’t get a refund for a regular submission that gets an “economy” grade.

  • DelawareDoonsDelawareDoons Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Connecticoin said:
    Send it economy - it will get a 7 then you will get charged $10 for a “service adjustment”. Sadly, it does not work the other way — you don’t get a refund for a regular submission that gets an “economy” grade.

    It was sent econ.

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  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭✭
    67

    @DelawareDoons said:

    It was sent econ.

    Ah, ok, since you had a Trueview thought it was sent regular. Never mind.

  • Eldorado9Eldorado9 Posts: 2,371 ✭✭✭✭✭
    67

    @Maywood said:
    @Eldorado9 said: That ain't no 65, and it ain't no 66 either. That's at least a 67. Nice coin. I'd still be slightly shocked if it came back less than 67.

    You may commence with your shock, however slight!! :p

    For Walkers, 1942-P is perhaps the most submitted date, they come looking very, very nice with great luster and superb detail. At that and judging only from the picture, this coin exhibits a little central weakness on the reverse even as the obverse looks hammered. Most of the 1940's "P" mint coins look pretty good and this one looks exceptional.

    Unless the photo is not accurate in some significant way, that does not look like a current 65 Walker to me.

  • Coin FinderCoin Finder Posts: 7,225 ✭✭✭✭✭
    66

    The neck and face have hits and its not fully stuck up. I will say a 66 max..

  • ShaunBC5ShaunBC5 Posts: 1,734 ✭✭✭✭✭
    67

    Sorry about the grade. Looked very 67 to me.

  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,222 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As I mentioned above a similar 1941 P half I submitted in February, 2022 that I thought warranted an MS66 grade (shot 67) came back an MS65.

    :'(

  • MaywoodMaywood Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 14, 2022 5:32AM
    66

    @Eldorado9 said: Unless the photo is not accurate in some significant way, that does not look like a current 65 Walker to me.

    Then the question bears asking: Is the image in the OP an edited version of a TrueView or an image taken by the owner?? I would prefer to see an image of the TrueView for a better analysis. Opening the OP image in a different window to view a larger version it doesn't look as perfect, showing central strike weakness. Also, my experience has shown that I should trust the graders at PCGS(all 3-4 of them who assessed this coin in-hand) over a forum member viewing images of the coin, even if that might be the owner who considers himself an above average grader. Ownership skews perception no matter what we each think.

    This isn't to say the coin wouldn't grade differently or higher if submitted again at any service level, but what would that prove?? Remember, this is a 1942 "P" mint coin, if it were a different date/mm combination it might be viewed differently by the PCGS graders.

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