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A truly challenging GTG - $2.50 1908 Gold Indian

KurisuKurisu Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭✭✭
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I'll post the grade/cert tomorrow night.

Max size TrueView for your guessing pleasure.
Have fun! :blush:

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,412 ✭✭✭✭✭

    These are hard enough to grade in-hand and almost impossible from pics. Looks like an AU58 if I had to guess.

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  • clarkbar04clarkbar04 Posts: 4,970 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63

    MS66 taste on an MS63 budget.
  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,975 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Why is it any more challenging than most other Indian $2.50 and $5 GTG threads?

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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks AU53 to me.

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  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,822 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As has been said, these are tough to grade from photos. I don't see why it can't be an MS64. It seems to have really nice surfaces and luster. Nothing too distracting.

  • logger7logger7 Posts: 8,674 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like wear on the eagle's wing, but that is apparently how they are struck. Above average unc..

  • jclovescoinsjclovescoins Posts: 1,926 ✭✭✭✭✭

    55

  • MaywoodMaywood Posts: 2,473 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS63.

  • spyglassdesignspyglassdesign Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I see fairly clean fields, and a little strike weakness on the reverse... I'd guess 63/64. Luster looks decent but hard to tell.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice gold coin.... I would guess 63. If that is wear on the Eagle's wing, then 58...if not, 63. Cheers, RickO

  • pcgscacgoldpcgscacgold Posts: 2,943 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU58/MS63. Nice looking coin.

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  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,169 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It looks at least as nice as my 58... maybe a little better. I'll say 62

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,975 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 27, 2022 7:37AM

    Edited - I originally guessed MS64. Then I focused on the obverse scratches above BLP and above/left of stars 1 and 2. Those, along with the ones in the upper left and upper right reverse fields lead me to MS63.

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  • fathomfathom Posts: 1,776 ✭✭✭✭✭

    58

  • KliaoKliao Posts: 5,608 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63

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  • Coin FinderCoin Finder Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have to go with AU58+, slight pvc on the tip of eagles wing, small scratches in the fields. The discoloration on the usual high parts of the wing and neck keeps it in au territory in my book, however this coin could easily pass for a MS62+ because of the wonderful obverse...

  • Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 5,841 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’ll say 58, but I usually get these incuse coins grades wrong because the image always creates an optical illusion that the devices are raised and my eye is drawn towards what would be the high points if it wasn’t incuse. It’s something like that.

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  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 3,500 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think it's a 58.

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  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,240 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63 is my first thought and I will stick with that guess

  • Mike59Mike59 Posts: 320 ✭✭✭

    58 if wear but 63 if strike

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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll say 58

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  • sweetwillietsweetwilliet Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭

    ok, I’ll give it a shot, but gold is not my forte by any stretch. Looks as struck to me, I think the slight rub appearance some are mentioning on the reverse wing is just the strike. luster full, few marks, I’ll go 65.

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  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,575 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That coin looks mint state. It isn't a case of a weak reverse strike, but rather the original reverse die lacked feather detail at the top of the eagle's wing. In my opinion the color is good, the surfaces are good and I am not seeing anything that is egregiously wrong in terms of hits, marks, scrapes or scratches. These can come nice and I will give it an oddball grade of MS63+.

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,975 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TomB said:
    That coin looks mint state. It isn't a case of a weak reverse strike, but rather the original reverse die lacked feather detail at the top of the eagle's wing. In my opinion the color is good, the surfaces are good and I am not seeing anything that is egregiously wrong in terms of hits, marks, scrapes or scratches. These can come nice and I will give it an oddball grade of MS63+.

    I don’t see anything oddball about that grade guess.😉 I considered three grade possibilities: 63, 63+ and 64.

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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,998 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1. If not 58.
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  • RelaxnRelaxn Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭✭✭

    65 or cleaned AU details

  • erwindocerwindoc Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS63

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,298 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS-64, but one of the problems with grading from a True View photo is that the coins sometimes look better than the are. The reverse is always lacking detail at the top of the Eagle’s wing, and some graders seem to forget that.

    When I was looking for ideal type coin for my type set, I saw a number of 1908 quarter eagles that I thought were under graded. Given the issue with the reverse, I decided that 1908 was less than the idea high grade type coin. I ended up buying a 1925-D that had a lot of luster. Later I bought one of the conservatively graded 1908 coins in MS-64.

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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,398 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS 63

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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    classic! changing the cert to GTG. :+1:

    i guessed 65 before opening the thread but i was a bit off. ;)

    58 or 62. a bit scuffy/scratchy but a nice indian.

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  • TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,805 ✭✭✭✭✭

    58

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  • dunkleosteus430dunkleosteus430 Posts: 476 ✭✭✭✭

    MS-63

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  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,604 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63.

  • mark_dakmark_dak Posts: 1,133 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No way on the 58's! Obverse has amazing detail and I'm attributing the weakness on the reverse to strike or TV not picking up detail that may be there.

    I'm going for the full MS64 even though I know its generally difficult to get that grade to come back. Good luck... beautiful coin!

    Mark

  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 10,997 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU58

  • CoinHunter4CoinHunter4 Posts: 372 ✭✭✭✭

    Love how you changed the cert number to GTG!

    Since you called it a challenging one, I'll go out on a limb and guess 64+

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  • lermishlermish Posts: 3,305 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I also will give this an out there guess only because you said it is a tough one. UNC Details - Filed Rims.

    (Otherwise, with no truly challenging comment, I'm at 64+)

  • marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,321 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks 55 to me.

  • kazkaz Posts: 9,218 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll go with 62

  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,604 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @mark_dak said:
    No way on the 58's! Obverse has amazing detail and I'm attributing the weakness on the reverse to strike or TV not picking up detail that may be there.

    I'm going for the full MS64 even though I know its generally difficult to get that grade to come back. Good luck... beautiful coin!

    Mark

    Isn’t the weak top wing normal on the 08?

  • PumpkinheadPumpkinhead Posts: 55 ✭✭✭

    Real nice luster, and definitely mint state… The fields are a little messy, so I think a 63

  • Bigbuck1975Bigbuck1975 Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Unc details scratched? I’ll admit not my series but looks to be scratched above initials above date?

  • OldIndianNutKaseOldIndianNutKase Posts: 2,710 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll be out there a ways with MS65. I do not think the issue on the top of the wing is wear because there would be other areas showing some wear as well and I cannot find them. Hard to evaluate the scratches in the fields on the TrueView.

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  • tcollectstcollects Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Somewhere between 53 CAC to 66+ no CAC

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,412 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Smudge said:

    @mark_dak said:
    No way on the 58's! Obverse has amazing detail and I'm attributing the weakness on the reverse to strike or TV not picking up detail that may be there.

    I'm going for the full MS64 even though I know its generally difficult to get that grade to come back. Good luck... beautiful coin!

    Mark

    Isn’t the weak top wing normal on the 08?

    Yes, the feathers are non-existent on the top of the wing on all 1908 $2.5. This design defect was corrected by the mint on the dies for subsequent years.

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  • DollarAfterDollarDollarAfterDollar Posts: 3,215 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS 62

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  • PedzolaPedzola Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll go 61.

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,975 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Below (subject to accounting errors) is a tally of the grade guesses, thus far. I excluded any guesses that included more than one possibility.

    (1) 53
    (2) 55
    (7) 58
    (1) 58+
    (1) unc. details
    (1) 61
    (3) 62
    (10) 63
    (1) 63+
    (3) 64
    (1) 64+
    (2) 65

    If, as per 16 of the 33 guesses, the coin graded less than MS63, I’ll be shocked. But it wouldn’t be the first time.

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  • pcgscacgoldpcgscacgold Posts: 2,943 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No way to tell from TV's if there is wear. If graders could use photos to grade we could all save money and just send pictures to them. It's all guessing when you do not have the coin in hand.

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  • privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,509 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63

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