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Which 1875-cc double-dime do you like better? - Updated

BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,593 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited August 27, 2022 8:34PM in U.S. Coin Forum

I'd love to hear people's comments about each of these coins.

  • Which has better eye appeal?
  • Which has better strike?
  • Which is graded higher?
  • Which is more "original"
  • Which one do you like better?

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  • DisneyFanDisneyFan Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Which has better eye appeal?  #1 - clearer date
    Which has better strike? #1  - clearer LIBERTY
    Which is graded higher? #1 - "less" wear on eagles chest
    Which is more "original" #2 - darker toning
    Which one do you like better? #2 - if lower grade, less money
    

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  • HigashiyamaHigashiyama Posts: 2,103 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 27, 2022 6:39AM

    @BryceM -- great post, interesting comparison!

    I also prefer # 2, due to the color and luster.

    Number 1 seems to have the stronger striker, and perhaps a slightly higher grade; I assume they are both AU50ish?

    Higashiyama
  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,593 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:
    I prefer coin number 2, due to its more original and uniform appearance.

    Mark, could you elaborate? Are you talking about the similarity of toning between the obverse and reverse, or the distribution of toning across and around the devices & fields? Or other?

  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,349 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You want me to decide????

    nah, won't happen. Love them both!

    bob :)

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 11,081 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BryceM said:

    @MFeld said:
    I prefer coin number 2, due to its more original and uniform appearance.

    Mark, could you elaborate? Are you talking about the similarity of toning between the obverse and reverse, or the distribution of toning across and around the devices & fields? Or other?

    Bryce, I was talking primarily about the the distribution of toning across and around the devices and fields.

    Here’s an additional reason I prefer coin number 2:
    Even if coin number 1 is graded higher, while perfectly acceptable, the rub on Liberty’s legs distracts me more than anything I see on coin number 2.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,593 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld

    Thanks.

    I'm interested to see what others have to say. I'll share my thoughts (and the grades) tonight.

  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 27, 2022 7:04AM

    Neither :s

    I really like #2 but can't get past the tiny gash on her chin/jaw and once seen it's like an eyeball magnet as that's all I see like the Tootsie Roll song. It's bad enough on this design Ms. Liberty looks like she left her dentures at home when posing for the obverse.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Number two.... better in all categories. Cheers, RickO

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,010 ✭✭✭✭✭

    id take the second one as well. both are nice coin

  • KliaoKliao Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 27, 2022 7:35AM

    I would choose number 2 for all questions with the exception of better strike which I see the first coin being superior in terms of strike. Overall, I'll take coin #2.

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  • Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 3,978 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like #2 better, it just looks more appealing to me.

    Mr_Spud

  • pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 6,356 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Count me with the majority, based on the images I like the overall look and fabric of #2 more, although #1 certainly is no slouch


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  • Bigbuck1975Bigbuck1975 Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like the look of the 2nd coin

  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭✭✭

    At a quick glance #2
    After a longer look #2
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  • TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,734 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm surprised as usually I agree with the consensus. Not this one.
    Which has better eye appeal? 1
    Which has better strike? 1
    Which is graded higher? 2
    Which is more "original" 1
    Which one do you like better 1

    Tom

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 11,081 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TPRC said:
    I'm surprised as usually I agree with the consensus. Not this one.
    Which has better eye appeal? 1
    Which has better strike? 1
    Which is graded higher? 2
    Which is more "original" 1
    Which one do you like better 1

    Look at how coin number 1’s color around the protected areas (such as the obverse stars and date, as well as the reverse lettering) is darker than in the fields. That makes me think it’s been lightened and not as original as coin number 2.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • Becky7474Becky7474 Posts: 103 ✭✭✭

    I pick #2.

  • DelawareDoonsDelawareDoons Posts: 3,078 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Which has better eye appeal? 2
    Which has better strike? 1
    Which is graded higher? 1
    Which is more "original" 2
    Which one do you like better 2

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  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 7,477 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Fewer contact marks on #2... better surfaces and if the toning isn't too dark, I pick #2.

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  • TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,734 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 27, 2022 12:03PM

    @MFeld said:

    @TPRC said:
    I'm surprised as usually I agree with the consensus. Not this one.
    Which has better eye appeal? 1
    Which has better strike? 1
    Which is graded higher? 2
    Which is more "original" 1
    Which one do you like better 1

    Look at how coin number 1’s color around the protected areas (such as the obverse stars and date, as well as the reverse lettering) is darker than in the fields. That makes me think it’s been lightened and not as original as coin number 2.

    Hmmm! Well, I always respect your opinion and I do see what you mean. To me, coin 2 is awfully dark, nearing terminal state. However, I downloaded and enlarged the pics hoping to see what I thought appeared to be some hairlines in the left obverse field of coin 2. I did not see any. But it turns out that in the right obverse field of coin 1, in the area you note, there do appear to be some very minor hairlines, so perhaps you are correct. I do think the rub on the leg takes coin 1 out of the MS category, while coin 2 could be unc due to its overall lustrous appearance even with the softer strike (or wear) on the eagle's breast. But the color of coin 2 is not my favorite.

    Tom

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 11,081 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TPRC said:

    @MFeld said:

    @TPRC said:
    I'm surprised as usually I agree with the consensus. Not this one.
    Which has better eye appeal? 1
    Which has better strike? 1
    Which is graded higher? 2
    Which is more "original" 1
    Which one do you like better 1

    Look at how coin number 1’s color around the protected areas (such as the obverse stars and date, as well as the reverse lettering) is darker than in the fields. That makes me think it’s been lightened and not as original as coin number 2.

    Hmmm! Well, I always respect your opinion and I do see what you mean. To me, coin 2 is awfully dark, nearing terminal state. However, I downloaded and enlarged the pics hoping to see what I thought appeared to be some hairlines in the left obverse field of coin 2. I did not see any. But it turns out that in the right obverse field of coin 1, in the area you note, there do appear to be some very minor hairlines, so perhaps you are correct. I do think the rub on the leg takes coin 1 out of the MS category, while coin 2 could be unc due to its overall lustrous appearance even with the softer strike (or wear) on the eagle's breast. But the color of coin 2 is not my favorite.

    I understand about the darker color on coin 2, though I don’t mind it. I was speaking more about its apparent superior originality compared to coin 1.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 11,657 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 27, 2022 12:35PM

    They both look great imo. I would gladly accept the left-over.

    If I had to make a choice between these two...number two would have to do.

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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 22,188 ✭✭✭✭✭

    One of these must be your 20C NEWP you mentioned earlier. B) Both are excellent but I’m with the majority, I like the 2nd one better although the above seems to have a better strike.

    Looking, they both appear to be AU58. Both are excellent regardless of which you chose. 👍

  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,593 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very interesting comments so far.

    Perhaps my photography isn't up to snuff these days.......

  • spyglassdesignspyglassdesign Posts: 1,437 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like number 2 due to the toning looking more even and natural as Mark noted ... But based on ms liberty the gash on her chin is distracting so for that device I'd say #1. I'd say #1 for strike alone, it definitely looks stronger/less wear. I would guess #1 would be the higher grade overall based mainly on strike and wear, but #2 could pull it out or maybe even based on potential luster, if it's full of luster and the first is not. Based on recent experiences I'd be a little concerned with the area to the right of ms liberty and how the toning encircles the stars.

    The both have their stronger parts (looks/potential luster, strike etc). Both nice coins no matter how you look at it! Congrats!

  • logger7logger7 Posts: 7,768 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Both are superb in terms of your criteria as far as I see them.

  • scotty4449scotty4449 Posts: 662 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think those are both really nice. Too hard to choose!

  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 8,666 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like the first one on top.

    A little better detailed and more original to me.

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  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,057 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Both are nice, but I like #1.

  • WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 6,120 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like the appeal of #2 but would love the loser.
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  • Batman23Batman23 Posts: 4,991 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Which has better eye appeal? 1
    Which has better strike? 1
    Which is graded higher? 2
    Which is more "original" 2
    Which one do you like better? 1

  • kazkaz Posts: 9,012 ✭✭✭✭✭

    1 has a better strike
    2 is more original; On #1, the light areas in the right obv field and under the eagle's right wing suggest some judicious cleaning or lightening in the past.
    I think #2 has better eye appeal.
    I think #2 is graded higher.
    I prefer #2.

  • JBNJBN Posts: 1,750 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Excellent one.
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  • privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,001 ✭✭✭✭✭

    2

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  • DisneyFanDisneyFan Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Broadstruck said:
    Neither :s

    I really like #2 but can't get past the tiny gash on her chin/jaw and once seen it's like an eyeball magnet as that's all I see like the Tootsie Roll song. It's bad enough on this design Ms. Liberty looks like she left her dentures at home when posing for the obverse.

    Actually #1 appears to have two smaller gashes on her chin.

  • lilolmelilolme Posts: 2,320 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Your comment make sense. I am not a photographer but I do know how the photo is take can have a big impact on what one sees. Your photos appear to be more what I call having a flat light or even light over the coin (although #2 does have a little hot spot). This versus one that has a more direct point of light(s). These will produce what some call hot spots or luster beams I say. The flat light gives a more detailed picture. The hot spots show the luster of the coin. I look at coins under a lamp in general and I like the hot spots because that is what I am used to seeing on a coin. Oh and hiding hairlines is not a problem and why grading proofs from photos is kind of senseless. Good thread and like the reading.

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  • spyglassdesignspyglassdesign Posts: 1,437 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yeah I too thought they might be high grade au because of the shield and the birds chest... Perhaps theya re just weak strike points instead?

    Either way thanks for sharing! Nice coins!

  • ChangeInHistoryChangeInHistory Posts: 2,970 ✭✭✭✭✭

    1, I don't necessarily like the retoning color on the second one.

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 22,188 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great thread and interesting update. 👍

  • msch1manmsch1man Posts: 808 ✭✭✭✭

    Great thread. This quote from @BryceM "After many years in the hobby I've learned that my initial impression when seeing a coin rarely changes the longer I own it." really rings true for me. It's easy to try to talk yourself into a coin despite a flaw of some sort that caught your eye, especially if potential acquisitions are few and far between, but it never seems to turn out well in the long run.

  • DisneyFanDisneyFan Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭✭✭

    While coin #1 is the nicer coin, I did not expect both coins to be of the same grade. I thought i could save some money if I could buy coin #2. This shows the range within a grade, even a grade of MS62.

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