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  • HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,151 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @HoneyMarket

    What a flashback but off track for the thread.

    " If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
  • jshaulisjshaulis Posts: 837 ✭✭✭✭

    Everything (proof and uncirculated) available this morning.

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  • jshaulisjshaulis Posts: 837 ✭✭✭✭

    Uncirculated gone already.

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  • cagcrispcagcrisp Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭✭✭

    2023 MORGAN SILVER DOLLAR UNC NO MINT MARK 260,706 (29)
    2023 MORGAN SILVER DOLLAR UNC NO MINT MARK - 40 COIN 330 -
    2023 MORGAN SILVER DOLLAR PROOF (S) 305,711 +13,522
    2023 MORGAN SILVER DOLLAR PROOF (S) - 40 COIN 385 + 99
    2023 PEACE SILVER DOLLAR UNC NO MINT MARK 258,886 + 2
    2023 PEACE SILVER DOLLAR UNC NO MINT MARK - 40 COIN 338 -
    2023 PEACE SILVER DOLLAR PROOF (S) 285,055 +10,899
    2023 PEACE SILVER DOLLAR PROOF (S) - 40 COIN 386 +91

  • SPalladinoSPalladino Posts: 868 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cagcrisp said:
    2023 MORGAN SILVER DOLLAR UNC NO MINT MARK 260,706 (29)
    2023 MORGAN SILVER DOLLAR UNC NO MINT MARK - 40 COIN 330 -
    2023 MORGAN SILVER DOLLAR PROOF (S) 305,711 +13,522
    2023 MORGAN SILVER DOLLAR PROOF (S) - 40 COIN 385 + 99
    2023 PEACE SILVER DOLLAR UNC NO MINT MARK 258,886 + 2
    2023 PEACE SILVER DOLLAR UNC NO MINT MARK - 40 COIN 338 -
    2023 PEACE SILVER DOLLAR PROOF (S) 285,055 +10,899
    2023 PEACE SILVER DOLLAR PROOF (S) - 40 COIN 386 +91

    .

    Steve Palladino
    - Ike Group member
    - DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
  • HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,151 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SPalladino

    Nothing like a spreadsheet to present stats in a neat easy to read and understand format.👍

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  • ProofCollectionProofCollection Posts: 6,082 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @alefzero said:
    Got my BU grades in. Only one 69. Dropping off the proofs at Long Beach. I know; the first strike was probably a waste of money, but the compulsion was there.

    Awesome results! I get the compulsion to do FS. ON these you're right, I don't think it's worth the money but OTOH I think it's kind of a crime not to.

  • SPalladinoSPalladino Posts: 868 ✭✭✭✭✭

    PCGS and NGC percent grading 70 update.

    The overall rate of 70s for both uncs and proofs look pretty good, but still predominated by the big boy submissions (moreso the proofs than the uncs), with minimum 70 requests. (compare percent of total population graded columns for FDOI+AR versus base label+First Release)
    Collector submissions (First Strike and base label) have a lower rate of 70s than the overall rate (because of the minimum grade 70 dominated FDOI/AR labels). As these collector submissions gain a higher percentage of the total population graded, the overall rate of 70 will drop a bit.
    Peace uncs and Peace proofs tend to have a lower rate of 70 than do the Morgan uncs and proofs.
    .

    .
    Although the total number of base label submissions are low, check out the rate of 70s for the base label populations :o

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    - DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
  • spyglassdesignspyglassdesign Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow PCGS is particularly tough on the proofs base labels so far...

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  • SPalladinoSPalladino Posts: 868 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ProofCollection said:

    @alefzero said:
    Got my BU grades in. Only one 69. Dropping off the proofs at Long Beach. I know; the first strike was probably a waste of money, but the compulsion was there.

    Awesome results! I get the compulsion to do FS. ON these you're right, I don't think it's worth the money but OTOH I think it's kind of a crime not to.

    .
    Looking at the numbers*, First Strike is garnering a higher rate of 70 than is the base label. IOW, it is perhaps the better option for a collector, despite the cost.
    .

    .
    (* the numbers may or may not also indicate: a) better quality coins being submitted via FS than base label, b) low totals at this point, not reflective of the rate of 70s as more coins are graded.)

    Steve Palladino
    - Ike Group member
    - DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
  • SPalladinoSPalladino Posts: 868 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @spyglassdesign said:
    Wow PCGS is particularly tough on the proofs base labels so far...

    agree, but with such a low number graded, the percentage of 70s for the proofs is likely not reflective of the longer term rate.

    Steve Palladino
    - Ike Group member
    - DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
  • jshaulisjshaulis Posts: 837 ✭✭✭✭

    Both uncirculated avaliable this morning, the peace in quantity.

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  • jshaulisjshaulis Posts: 837 ✭✭✭✭

    @jshaulis said:
    Both uncirculated avaliable this morning, the peace in quantity.

    Morgan gone quickly, Peace available at limited numbers.

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  • HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,151 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My grandkids "Sydney & Hunter's Seeds of Hope" have a garden in their backyard and grow, sell and donate a variety of vegetables for the local food cupboard for the needy. I have a number of Shiny Silver Coins put away for them as a reward for their caring & generosity. o:) I also enjoy some of their fresh tomatoes.

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  • sfs2002usasfs2002usa Posts: 846 ✭✭✭

    I noticed the array or nice proof coins but I just grow San Marzanos and Heirlooms.

  • RichRRichR Posts: 3,858 ✭✭✭✭✭

    At least your tomatoes aren't "lemons"!

  • Herb_THerb_T Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Goldminers said:
    These 2023's are very nice looking, and I did get a couple plus a pre-sale graded 70, but the sandblasted cameos just seem too "modern". I also would like to know how they are actually made. What does the silver planchet look like before striking? Is it sandblasted or polished?

    Regardless, I keep looking at this photo, and sure wish the Mint would actually do a "historic" version like the real ones they did 125 years ago. This one just is absolutely stunning, and I sure wish I could afford it. Nothing today seems to even come close.


    Put the proof in your pocket with other change and your keys. It will just look like the others!

  • GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 3,949 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I decided to pick a few out of the garden this morning.

    My US Mint Commemorative Medal Set

  • robecrobec Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 25, 2023 7:39PM

    Has anyone seen a TrueView of any of the new Proof or MS Peace and Morgan dollars.

    CoinFacts doesn’t show any and so far I haven’t found any Cert numbers that have one.
    You would think with the thousands that have been graded there would be some posted somewhere.

    - Bob -

    MPL's - Lincolns of Colorimage
    Central Valley Roosevelts

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,046 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @robec said:
    Has anyone seen a TrueView of any of the new Proof or MS Peace and Morgan dollars.

    CoinFacts doesn’t show any and so far I haven’t found any Cert numbers that have one.
    You would think with the thousands that have been graded there would be some posted somewhere.

    It always takes time for TVs to post.

  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,276 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 26, 2023 4:17AM

    @robec said:
    Has anyone seen a TrueView of any of the new Proof or MS Peace and Morgan dollars.

    CoinFacts doesn’t show any and so far I haven’t found any Cert numbers that have one.
    You would think with the thousands that have been graded there would be some posted somewhere.

    No, but in the between time here are my Unc 100th Anniversary 2021 Morgan and Peace $1 TrueViews.

    Both 70's First Strike


    PCGS Price Guide: $285

    PCGS Price Guide: $435

  • robecrobec Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @robec said:
    Has anyone seen a TrueView of any of the new Proof or MS Peace and Morgan dollars.

    CoinFacts doesn’t show any and so far I haven’t found any Cert numbers that have one.
    You would think with the thousands that have been graded there would be some posted somewhere.

    It always takes time for TVs to post.

    I understand it takes time. Even considering that, with a combined Peace and Morgan MS total of close to 30,000 graded since being released, I thought at least one or two would show up in either CoinFacts or posted in one of the threads.

    - Bob -

    MPL's - Lincolns of Colorimage
    Central Valley Roosevelts

  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,276 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 26, 2023 8:36AM

    @robec said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @robec said:
    Has anyone seen a TrueView of any of the new Proof or MS Peace and Morgan dollars.

    CoinFacts doesn’t show any and so far I haven’t found any Cert numbers that have one.
    You would think with the thousands that have been graded there would be some posted somewhere.

    It always takes time for TVs to post.

    I understand it takes time. Even considering that, with a combined Peace and Morgan MS total of close to 30,000 graded since being released, I thought at least one or two would show up in either CoinFacts or posted in one of the threads.

    The only reason I had my 2021 Morgan and Peace TrueViewed was the 100th Anniversary attribution, FWIW.

    I doubt we will be seeing a whole lot of TrueViews when there are so many being sold for 2023, although the proofs are a first year issue in well over a century.

    .....Just my 2¢

  • MetroDMetroD Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @robec said:

    I understand it takes time. Even considering that, with a combined Peace and Morgan MS total of close to 30,000 graded since being released, I thought at least one or two would show up in either CoinFacts or posted in one of the threads.

    2023-S $1 Morgan Dollar First Strike, DCAM (Proof)
    Currently Featuring PCGS Certs: 47199610, 47199611, and 47199612.

    2023-S $1 Peace Dollar First Strike, DCAM (Proof)
    Currently Featuring PCGS Certs: 47199613, and 47199614.

  • jessewvujessewvu Posts: 5,065 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 26, 2023 2:22PM

    I found something pretty cool in a 2023 Morgan/peace dollar box . Should I wait to see if PCGS will certify it before posting it here? I don't think there are any more like it, but it's not impossible.

  • 1madman1madman Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jessewvu said:
    I found something pretty cool in a 2023 Morgan/peace dollar box . Should I wait to see if PCGS will certify it before posting it here? I don't think there are any more like it, but it's not impossible.

    PCGS has to have knowledge of what it is to determine their decision to certify it. Might as well post it here to give them a heads up.

  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,276 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jessewvu said:
    I found something pretty cool in a 2023 Morgan/peace dollar box . Should I wait to see if PCGS will certify it before posting it here? I don't think there are any more like it, but it's not impossible.

    You're secret is safe here.......................talk to me.

  • jessewvujessewvu Posts: 5,065 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I was going to call and send a picture Monday..

  • SilverPlatinumSilverPlatinum Posts: 245 ✭✭✭

    @jessewvu said:
    I found something pretty cool in a 2023 Morgan/peace dollar box . Should I wait to see if PCGS will certify it before posting it here? I don't think there are any more like it, but it's not impossible.

    :D PCGS does not certify organic matters.....That has to be published so everyone knows the Quality Control of the mint....

  • robecrobec Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MetroD said:

    @robec said:

    I understand it takes time. Even considering that, with a combined Peace and Morgan MS total of close to 30,000 graded since being released, I thought at least one or two would show up in either CoinFacts or posted in one of the threads.

    2023-S $1 Morgan Dollar First Strike, DCAM (Proof)
    Currently Featuring PCGS Certs: 47199610, 47199611, and 47199612.

    2023-S $1 Peace Dollar First Strike, DCAM (Proof)
    Currently Featuring PCGS Certs: 47199613, and 47199614.

    Thank you!!

    - Bob -

    MPL's - Lincolns of Colorimage
    Central Valley Roosevelts

  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,276 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 26, 2023 5:32PM

    @jessewvu said:
    I was going to call and send a picture Monday..

    Calling and talking to a CSR on a Monday is virtually impossible....just sayin'

  • HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,151 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 26, 2023 6:05PM

    @jessewvu said:
    I found something pretty cool in a 2023 Morgan/peace dollar box . Should I wait to see if PCGS will certify it before posting it here? I don't think there are any more like it, but it's not impossible.

    Did it have a 302 in pen on the label
    Like this

    💵💵💵💵💵

    I am getting it certified as a
    USPS B70 LATE DELIVERY

    " If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,046 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @HATTRICK said:

    @jessewvu said:
    I found something pretty cool in a 2023 Morgan/peace dollar box . Should I wait to see if PCGS will certify it before posting it here? I don't think there are any more like it, but it's not impossible.

    Did it have a 302 in pen on the label
    Like this

    💵💵💵💵💵

    I am getting it certified as a
    USPS B70 LATE DELIVERY

    It had a 302 scratched into the coin!

  • jessewvujessewvu Posts: 5,065 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Goldbully said:

    @jessewvu said:
    I was going to call and send a picture Monday..

    Calling and talking to a CSR on a Monday is virtually impossible....just sayin'

    I have my own people, on the inside. :D

  • MtW124MtW124 Posts: 411 ✭✭✭✭

    Sent my unopened box of unc peace dollars in. We will see if they call and say there’s a golden ticket inside …..or not.

  • HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,151 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Good luck with that 🤞

    Most of them were “ randomly inserted” in their big customers orders

    " If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,276 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @HATTRICK said:
    Good luck with that 🤞

    Most of them were “ randomly inserted” in their big customers orders

    I’m far from a big customer.

    Just sayin’
    😎

  • RockdogzRockdogz Posts: 145 ✭✭✭

    @Goldbully said:

    @HATTRICK said:
    Good luck with that 🤞

    Most of them were “ randomly inserted” in their big customers orders

    I’m far from a big customer.

    Just sayin’
    😎

    Same Here!!

  • HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,151 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 28, 2023 3:30PM

    @Goldbully said:

    @HATTRICK said:
    Good luck with that 🤞

    Most of them were “ randomly inserted” in their big customers orders

    I’m far from a big customer.

    Just sayin’
    😎

    Engage brain before opening mouth or typing. "MOST" Just sayin' B)

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    It created a perceived rarity that enabled us to sell $ 2.50 bears for $250.00 plus.
    Yes only twelve per store the first month then millions after that.

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  • HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,151 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Rockdogz said:

    @Goldbully said:

    @HATTRICK said:
    Good luck with that 🤞

    Most of them were “ randomly inserted” in their big customers orders

    I’m far from a big customer.

    Just sayin’
    😎

    Same Here!!

    Ditto above Just sayin' B)

    " If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
  • cagcrispcagcrisp Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭✭✭

    w/e 08/27/2023 sales...

    2023 MORGAN SILVER DOLLAR UNC NO MINT MARK 260,709 +3
    2023 MORGAN SILVER DOLLAR UNC NO MINT MARK – 40 COIN 330 –
    2023 MORGAN SILVER DOLLAR PROOF (S) 307,102 +1,391
    2023 MORGAN SILVER DOLLAR PROOF (S) – 40 COIN 360 (25)
    2023 PEACE SILVER DOLLAR UNC NO MINT MARK 258,888 +2
    2023 PEACE SILVER DOLLAR UNC NO MINT MARK – 40 COIN 338 –
    2023 PEACE SILVER DOLLAR PROOF (S) 285,405 +350
    2023 PEACE SILVER DOLLAR PROOF (S) – 40 COIN 377 (9)

  • SPalladinoSPalladino Posts: 868 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cagcrisp said:
    w/e 08/27/2023 sales...

    2023 MORGAN SILVER DOLLAR UNC NO MINT MARK 260,709 +3
    2023 MORGAN SILVER DOLLAR UNC NO MINT MARK – 40 COIN 330 –
    2023 MORGAN SILVER DOLLAR PROOF (S) 307,102 +1,391
    2023 MORGAN SILVER DOLLAR PROOF (S) – 40 COIN 360 (25)
    2023 PEACE SILVER DOLLAR UNC NO MINT MARK 258,888 +2
    2023 PEACE SILVER DOLLAR UNC NO MINT MARK – 40 COIN 338 –
    2023 PEACE SILVER DOLLAR PROOF (S) 285,405 +350
    2023 PEACE SILVER DOLLAR PROOF (S) – 40 COIN 377 (9)

    .

    Steve Palladino
    - Ike Group member
    - DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,276 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Speaking of Pinehurst, they have already sold 375, 2023-S Proof $1 Morgan and Peace Silver Dollar 2pc Set PCGS PR70DCAM FS Flag Label via eBay.

    Pinehurst eBay Link

  • HATTRICKHATTRICK Posts: 2,151 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 29, 2023 5:43PM

    @Goldbully said:
    Speaking of Pinehurst, they have already sold 375, 2023-S Proof $1 Morgan and Peace Silver Dollar 2pc Set PCGS PR70DCAM FS Flag Label

    They have a wide assortment of labels for the uncirculated and proof coins and a few golden tickets certified on their website as well as EBay

    " If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
  • MtW124MtW124 Posts: 411 ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 30, 2023 8:40AM

    Well, my order of my unopened box of uncirculated Peace Dollars arrived at PCGS and is in the system. I didn’t receive a call about a golden ticket so I guess I’m going to get the grade I get.

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