@JeffM said:
Knowing how I screw things up, I am not clicking on anything in my subscriptions. I won't even open the page to look at them. I checked it a little while ago, and I got the "check your address and CC information" e-mail from the Mint. So, I'm good. The last thing I want to do is click on anything on the subscription page! I might mistakenly cancel all my subscriptions and dump them unexpectedly in someone else's subscription list (and it's not Christmas yet!)..
Buddy
You sound kinda down in the dumps. Although I hear you about fumble fingers. Done that one bidding Hang in there and I’ll cross my fingers for you and well the cat will do the best he can 🤠🤞🏽
@RichR said:
I reduced my proof orders by 1 each...and I increased the RPs
Same here. 1 each uncirculated and proof and for me a stretch of my budget and 2 RP sets. Might as well. As my grandson sez “ do it grandpa, you won’t have to teach me new swear words when the orders open on release day. Besides you have a prescription for what ever you like!😂”.
Well my prescription is now up to 2 RP sets.
Kids say amazing things, eh? 🤠
@JeffM said:
Knowing how I screw things up, I am not clicking on anything in my subscriptions. I won't even open the page to look at them. I checked it a little while ago, and I got the "check your address and CC information" e-mail from the Mint. So, I'm good. The last thing I want to do is click on anything on the subscription page! I might mistakenly cancel all my subscriptions and dump them unexpectedly in someone else's subscription list (and it's not Christmas yet!)..
Buddy
You sound kinda down in the dumps. Although I hear you about fumble fingers. Done that one bidding Hang in there and I’ll cross my fingers for you and well the cat will do the best he can 🤠🤞🏽
Gee, thanks! I crossed mine, too! And to be extra safe, I also crossed my.......uh, never mind!
I went in to cut back on my subscriptions - whoops too late - already showing TBD for release date and orders are processing. I hope there ends up being demand for these.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
Just watched utube Silver Wolverine and he says when he called the US mint they said the last day to cancel the UNCs was last Friday and not today. Therefore those who canceled since Friday were not canceled and if you check the subscription page it has TBD which is for 2024 issue.
My friend called the mint and the customer service said the same thing.
I am totally confused
Does anyone know what is happening
Just watched utube Silver Wolverine and he says when he called the US mint they said the last day to cancel the UNCs was last Friday and not today. Therefore those who canceled since Friday were not canceled and if you check the subscription page it has TBD which is for 2024 issue.
My friend called the mint and the customer service said the same thing.
I am totally confused
Does anyone know what is happening
Well if that's the case a lot of us are going to be having much smaller wallets very quickly 😬
Just saw a news story on ABC. They were showing the 2023 Peace Dollar and said it is now back in circulation. LOL
Don't count on getting these in the CoinStar machine. At least they were correct when they said there is already collector interest in the coins.
The only circulation will be between Dealers, Flippers and Collectors.
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
@Goldbully said:
Mint only processed my One Morgan dollar and not the Peace dollars.
What's up with that? I have 12 on order.
CC hit for one Morgan.
Same (1 Morgan, 4 Peace, only the Morgan billed or far and showing on my 'orders' page). I called. They said it will take perhaps another 24-48 hours for all of the subscriptions to be processed into billed orders.
Steve Palladino - Ike Group member - DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
The mint had originally been reported as saying that at least 10% of the mintage would be held for day of release sales. For the Morgan and Peace uncs, that would be 27,500 each. It looks like there will certainly be more than 30K of each available on Thursday, perhaps more than 40K of each, depending on how many they are holding back for the FUN show, mint on-site sales, and replacement/exchanges.
Steve Palladino - Ike Group member - DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
Just watched utube Silver Wolverine and he says when he called the US mint they said the last day to cancel the UNCs was last Friday and not today. Therefore those who canceled since Friday were not canceled and if you check the subscription page it has TBD which is for 2024 issue.
My friend called the mint and the customer service said the same thing.
I am totally confused
Does anyone know what is happening
So you think they are indicating the return for next year. Good catch. I’m thinking that is correct because my annual mint set sez tbd and that’s for next year. Thanks 🙏
@alohagary said:
...if you check the subscription page it has TBD which is for 2024 issue.
So you think they are indicating the return for next year. Good catch. I’m thinking that is correct because my annual mint set sez tbd and that’s for next year. Thanks 🙏
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Other evidence (see the sales page for each product) suggests, yes, the uncs may be back 2024 (see screenshot). However, the mint could cancel the "future" subscriptions at their discretion, should the product not be offered or change (eg, if RP set is not offered in 2024, it would be likely that the mint would cancel all standing RP subscriptions going forward into 2024).
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Steve Palladino - Ike Group member - DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
So you think they are indicating the return for next year. Good catch. I’m thinking that is correct because my annual mint set sez tbd and that’s for next year. Thanks 🙏
I could be wrong but I believe your TBD for the annual mint set is for this year which is yet to be released at an undetermined date
@SPalladino said:
The mint had originally been reported as saying that at least 10% of the mintage would be held for day of release sales. For the Morgan and Peace uncs, that would be 27,500 each. It looks like there will certainly be more than 30K of each available on Thursday, perhaps more than 40K of each, depending on how many they are holding back for the FUN show, mint on-site sales, and replacement/exchanges.
Unless the 10% includes everything other than online sales. Why hold back inventory that could have been pre-sold, and risk having demand fall off a cliff if they turn out not to be big Day 1 winners?
My guess is that there will not be 27.5K available online at noon on Thursday, and that those that are available will quickly sell out. My other guess is that anyone loading up to flip, because they have been conditioned to do so by other quick sell outs, will be sorely disappointed with MS70s now available for $135 each.
Over 200K have already been very efficiently distributed by the Mint, and they are being offered for resale, graded, at prices regular folks cannot match, let alone beat. There is not a sufficient residual demand to support amateur wannabee flippers this time around, but there will be few enough offered online at noon that they are sure to sell out fast. JMHO.
@smuglr said:
I do think the TBD indication for the uncirculated dollars indicates a plan - at least at this time - for there to be further annual releases.
Sorry. I was referring to the clad proof set. Released here. I get a couple every year.
@SPalladino said:
Other evidence (see the sales page for each product) suggests, yes, the uncs may be back 2024 (see screenshot). However, the mint could cancel the "future" subscriptions at their discretion, should the product not be offered or change (eg, if RP set is not offered in 2024, it would be likely that the mint would cancel all standing RP subscriptions going forward into 2024).
FWIW, I always thought that the inclusion of 2023 in the name of the 'reverse proof set' was interesting. There are no years in any of the other M&P subscription offerings (i.e., uncirculated, or proof).
@SPalladino said:
The mint had originally been reported as saying that at least 10% of the mintage would be held for day of release sales. For the Morgan and Peace uncs, that would be 27,500 each. It looks like there will certainly be more than 30K of each available on Thursday, perhaps more than 40K of each, depending on how many they are holding back for the FUN show, mint on-site sales, and replacement/exchanges.
Unless the 10% includes everything other than online sales. Why hold back inventory that could have been pre-sold, and risk having demand fall off a cliff if they turn out not to be big Day 1 winners?
The ABPP, to my knowledge, has access to 10% of the total mintage. That's it
The mint has also been reported to have said that 10% of the total mintage will be reserved for the day of release sales. Two different things. My comment was regarding the latter, not the former.
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My guess is that there will not be 27.5K available online at noon on Thursday, and that those that are available will quickly sell out. My other guess is that anyone loading up to flip, because they have been conditioned to do so by other quick sell outs, will be sorely disappointed with MS70s now available for $135 each.
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The mint data suggest otherwise WRT the amount that will be available. No disagreement WRT flipping.
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Over 200K have already been very efficiently distributed by the Mint, and they are being offered for resale, graded, at prices regular folks cannot match, let alone beat. There is not a sufficient residual demand to support amateur wannabee flippers this time around, but there will be few enough offered online at noon that they are sure to sell out fast. JMHO.
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None have been distributed. Offers online to date are pre-sales of "promised" product.
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My comments attempting to provide/analyze mint data have purposely steered clear of flipping conjecture. I don't know why you reply regarding flipping, when I have made no conjecture on the matter. (although I do not disagree)
Steve Palladino - Ike Group member - DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
@SPalladino said:
The mint had originally been reported as saying that at least 10% of the mintage would be held for day of release sales. For the Morgan and Peace uncs, that would be 27,500 each. It looks like there will certainly be more than 30K of each available on Thursday, perhaps more than 40K of each, depending on how many they are holding back for the FUN show, mint on-site sales, and replacement/exchanges.
Unless the 10% includes everything other than online sales. Why hold back inventory that could have been pre-sold, and risk having demand fall off a cliff if they turn out not to be big Day 1 winners?
The ABPP, to my knowledge, has access to 10% of the total mintage. That's it
The mint has also been reported to have said that 10% of the total mintage will be reserved for the day of release sales. Two different things. My comment was regarding the latter, not the former.
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My guess is that there will not be 27.5K available online at noon on Thursday, and that those that are available will quickly sell out. My other guess is that anyone loading up to flip, because they have been conditioned to do so by other quick sell outs, will be sorely disappointed with MS70s now available for $135 each.
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The mint data suggest otherwise WRT the amount that will be available. No disagreement WRT flipping.
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Over 200K have already been very efficiently distributed by the Mint, and they are being offered for resale, graded, at prices regular folks cannot match, let alone beat. There is not a sufficient residual demand to support amateur wannabee flippers this time around, but there will be few enough offered online at noon that they are sure to sell out fast. JMHO.
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None have been distributed. Offers online to date are pre-sales of "promised" product.
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My comments attempting to provide/analyze mint data have purposely steered clear of flipping conjecture. I don't know why you reply regarding flipping, when I have made no conjecture on the matter. (although I do not disagree)
Agreed. I wasn't referring to ABPPs. I was referring to FUN and Mint store allocations. I'll bet you anything they are included in the 10% hold back, and are not on top of it, as they will indeed be "day of release sales."
Also, by "distributed" I meant pre-sold via subscription or to ABPPs. They are already "distributed" insofar as they are already spoken for and in the virtual hands of people who have already lined them up for bulk rate grading and resale.
Just watched utube Silver Wolverine and he says when he called the US mint they said the last day to cancel the UNCs was last Friday and not today. Therefore those who canceled since Friday were not canceled and if you check the subscription page it has TBD which is for 2024 issue.
My friend called the mint and the customer service said the same thing.
I am totally confused
Does anyone know what is happening
On the Registry side, currently there is the MORGAN AND PEACE DOLLARS 100TH ANNIVERSARY SET, CIRCULATION STRIKES (2021); it'll be interesting to see if 2023 Morgan and Peace Dollar will be added to this registry or if 2023 will begin a new registry set.
Of course, GovMint/MCM is offering these coins slabbed, graded, and signed by John Mercanti (the man who has signed 6 billion NGC labels). WTF does Mercanti have to do with the 2023 Morgan and Peace dollars? (However, they did say that the Morgan is his favorite.) I just have to laugh. This guy signs EVERYTHING!
Here’s some fun facts and food for thought, this morning.
The W proof 2023 is now unavailable, mintage a gazillion
The congratulations set, mintage 40,000( I know the only difference is $2 and some fancy packaging, but they command a premium over regular proof W’s). Red button all bright and shiny. Available? YUPPERS Alrighty now what were we talking about, potential flip. Maybe 🤔
Two things of note. I have an order posted for 2 Morgans when I reduced to 1 on Sunday which leads me to believe the cutoff was processed on Saturday or even Friday as someone else has said.
Also stock level for the Morgan now shows as 46,160. Could this be the amount available at 12:00 tomorrow ?
Pease stock level shows 181,633. As My Peace order does not show yet, I assume they are still processing them and stock level has not been updated.
Tomorrow will tell however, remember that box of chocolates thing.
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
Comments
Buddy
You sound kinda down in the dumps. Although I hear you about fumble fingers. Done that one bidding Hang in there and I’ll cross my fingers for you and well the cat will do the best he can 🤠🤞🏽
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
I reduced my proof orders by 1 each...and I increased the RPs
Same here. 1 each uncirculated and proof and for me a stretch of my budget and 2 RP sets. Might as well. As my grandson sez “ do it grandpa, you won’t have to teach me new swear words when the orders open on release day. Besides you have a prescription for what ever you like!😂”.
Well my prescription is now up to 2 RP sets.
Kids say amazing things, eh? 🤠
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
Gee, thanks! I crossed mine, too! And to be extra safe, I also crossed my.......uh, never mind!
It appears that RP subscriptions are done for the day
I went in to cut back on my subscriptions - whoops too late - already showing TBD for release date and orders are processing. I hope there ends up being demand for these.
Yes indeed. They are processing.
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
I was wrong. The RP is now available 😎
bullionexchanges.com
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
CC show pending charges for each of the uncirculated issues.
"First Delivery", "Advanced Delivery" ? Looks as though we've reached the absurd zone.
I 'released' 5 Peace Dollar BU yesterday. Not interested anymore.
fka renman95, Sep 2005, 7,000 posts
Beautiful holder (picture from Ebay)
Alert. Alert
Just watched utube Silver Wolverine and he says when he called the US mint they said the last day to cancel the UNCs was last Friday and not today. Therefore those who canceled since Friday were not canceled and if you check the subscription page it has TBD which is for 2024 issue.
My friend called the mint and the customer service said the same thing.
I am totally confused
Does anyone know what is happening
Well if that's the case a lot of us are going to be having much smaller wallets very quickly 😬
https://www.the4thcoin.com
https://www.ebay.com/str/thefourthcoin
Mint only processed my One Morgan dollar and not the Peace dollars.
What's up with that? I have 12 on order.
CC hit for one Morgan.
CC hit for both Morgan and Peace.
Hope they clear everything up
As the cancelation deadline should be today and not last Friday
Just saw a news story on ABC. They were showing the 2023 Peace Dollar and said it is now back in circulation. LOL
Don't count on getting these in the CoinStar machine. At least they were correct when they said there is already collector interest in the coins.
The only circulation will be between Dealers, Flippers and Collectors.
Planning on doing some permutations this year myself. I did the same with a number of 2021 coins in the dual coin holder: https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vQg1EzLGY2jKW84m0QuFvQgwoudu4voItvgnJZkyHCVCOlFkUmGGpZ1p_2L6j1cyRI4hBnuJJ5RbGUE/pub
- Ike Group member
- DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
Same with me.
Same (1 Morgan, 4 Peace, only the Morgan billed or far and showing on my 'orders' page). I called. They said it will take perhaps another 24-48 hours for all of the subscriptions to be processed into billed orders.
- Ike Group member
- DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
The mint had originally been reported as saying that at least 10% of the mintage would be held for day of release sales. For the Morgan and Peace uncs, that would be 27,500 each. It looks like there will certainly be more than 30K of each available on Thursday, perhaps more than 40K of each, depending on how many they are holding back for the FUN show, mint on-site sales, and replacement/exchanges.
- Ike Group member
- DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
One of each charged to my credit card. Thanks 🙏
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
So you think they are indicating the return for next year. Good catch. I’m thinking that is correct because my annual mint set sez tbd and that’s for next year. Thanks 🙏
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
.
Other evidence (see the sales page for each product) suggests, yes, the uncs may be back 2024 (see screenshot). However, the mint could cancel the "future" subscriptions at their discretion, should the product not be offered or change (eg, if RP set is not offered in 2024, it would be likely that the mint would cancel all standing RP subscriptions going forward into 2024).
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- Ike Group member
- DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
Yeah they're goin' for it. This is the best product since ASE.
I could be wrong but I believe your TBD for the annual mint set is for this year which is yet to be released at an undetermined date
I do think the TBD indication for the uncirculated dollars indicates a plan - at least at this time - for there to be further annual releases.
Unless the 10% includes everything other than online sales. Why hold back inventory that could have been pre-sold, and risk having demand fall off a cliff if they turn out not to be big Day 1 winners?
My guess is that there will not be 27.5K available online at noon on Thursday, and that those that are available will quickly sell out. My other guess is that anyone loading up to flip, because they have been conditioned to do so by other quick sell outs, will be sorely disappointed with MS70s now available for $135 each.
Over 200K have already been very efficiently distributed by the Mint, and they are being offered for resale, graded, at prices regular folks cannot match, let alone beat. There is not a sufficient residual demand to support amateur wannabee flippers this time around, but there will be few enough offered online at noon that they are sure to sell out fast. JMHO.
Sorry. I was referring to the clad proof set. Released here. I get a couple every year.
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
FWIW, I always thought that the inclusion of 2023 in the name of the 'reverse proof set' was interesting. There are no years in any of the other M&P subscription offerings (i.e., uncirculated, or proof).
Source: https://catalog.usmint.gov/morgan-and-peace-dollar-2023-two-coin-reverse-proof-set-subscription-NL.html
Of course, future offerings are subject to change.
The ABPP, to my knowledge, has access to 10% of the total mintage. That's it
The mint has also been reported to have said that 10% of the total mintage will be reserved for the day of release sales. Two different things. My comment was regarding the latter, not the former.
.
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The mint data suggest otherwise WRT the amount that will be available. No disagreement WRT flipping.
.
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None have been distributed. Offers online to date are pre-sales of "promised" product.
.
My comments attempting to provide/analyze mint data have purposely steered clear of flipping conjecture. I don't know why you reply regarding flipping, when I have made no conjecture on the matter. (although I do not disagree)
- Ike Group member
- DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
Agreed. I wasn't referring to ABPPs. I was referring to FUN and Mint store allocations. I'll bet you anything they are included in the 10% hold back, and are not on top of it, as they will indeed be "day of release sales."
Also, by "distributed" I meant pre-sold via subscription or to ABPPs. They are already "distributed" insofar as they are already spoken for and in the virtual hands of people who have already lined them up for bulk rate grading and resale.
I cancelled on Sunday, no hit on my cc.
fka renman95, Sep 2005, 7,000 posts
On the Registry side, currently there is the MORGAN AND PEACE DOLLARS 100TH ANNIVERSARY SET, CIRCULATION STRIKES (2021); it'll be interesting to see if 2023 Morgan and Peace Dollar will be added to this registry or if 2023 will begin a new registry set.
fka renman95, Sep 2005, 7,000 posts
Of course, GovMint/MCM is offering these coins slabbed, graded, and signed by John Mercanti (the man who has signed 6 billion NGC labels). WTF does Mercanti have to do with the 2023 Morgan and Peace dollars? (However, they did say that the Morgan is his favorite.) I just have to laugh. This guy signs EVERYTHING!
[This guy signs EVERYTHING!]
For a fee...I too will sign anything! Toilet paper...no problem...live alligator...you got it!
USED toilet paper??
I may have to take you up on that offer!
[USED toilet paper??
I may have to take you up on that offer!\
I'll also send you back your OGP!
Still sounds like a crappy offer 😂😂😂
Although I shouldn’t poo poo another collectors taste 😂😂😂
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
BTW...you'll probably get a laugh out of this...
Out of the blue, my wife asks...do you need me to help you buy any coins from the Mint...anything coming up?
She usually mans the phone furiously redialing or hitting refresh on the second laptop.
So I explained..."Actually, that's so 2022...they have a new subscription process now...no fuss, no muss!"
So she asked, "You mean no more cursing and throwing shoes against the wall and scaring the dog at noon?"
"That's right...you got it!"
So here's the kicker...she looked dejected and said, "Oh well...I liked helping out..."
I have a solution. Tell her she can hold the toilet paper as you sign it.
[I have a solution. Tell her she can hold the toilet paper as you sign it.]
Actually, she'll run your credit card!
I haven't seen any charges yet 😳
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CC dinged for both
Here’s some fun facts and food for thought, this morning.
The W proof 2023 is now unavailable, mintage a gazillion
The congratulations set, mintage 40,000( I know the only difference is $2 and some fancy packaging, but they command a premium over regular proof W’s). Red button all bright and shiny. Available? YUPPERS Alrighty now what were we talking about, potential flip. Maybe 🤔
🎶 shout shout, let it all out 🎶
CC just hit for 12 Peace $1's.
Tomorrow noon should be interesting.
Two things of note. I have an order posted for 2 Morgans when I reduced to 1 on Sunday which leads me to believe the cutoff was processed on Saturday or even Friday as someone else has said.
Also stock level for the Morgan now shows as 46,160. Could this be the amount available at 12:00 tomorrow ?
Pease stock level shows 181,633. As My Peace order does not show yet, I assume they are still processing them and stock level has not been updated.
Tomorrow will tell however, remember that box of chocolates thing.
I concur with your numbers. Looking forward to Thursday Noon time. 😉
We’re in for watching. Good luck everyone.
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