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High grade 1915 buffalo nickel (proof) do you have any problems with this holder?

BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,719 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Here is a high grade buffalo nickel from 1915 (a proof) slabbed by our host. Do you find any problem or problems that would
cause you to pass on this coin if you were looking to buy?

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  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,738 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 19, 2022 6:37PM

    Doesn’t look like a proof to these eyes and even has what look like handling marks hidden in the Buffalo on the rev. Hairlines yes but coin clangs are rare of proofs right? Pcgs has seen it in hand so maybe I am wrong but I have seen dozens of missattributed holders PF Vs MS

    The Y in liberty looks very mushy for a proof compared to other examples but that could be an artifact of the photo quality too

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  • RelaxnRelaxn Posts: 1,016 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I do not know the PUP of the 15 but just in my quick glance.. Do not believe this is a MPB.
    Rims, Liberty, reverse front leg... All look off...

    But WYDIK

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,317 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The last two letters in the word “LIBERTY” are very weak. That seems odd for a Proof.

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  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,719 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I guess I should have posted the holders originally, all have missed the points so far.

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  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks fine to me. Why don’t you share what’s you think is wrong with this coin?

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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,659 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What are the 2 marks on the obverse in the hair area? Maybe it's nothing

  • MartinMartin Posts: 999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The label on the back? I don’t Remember that for that slab? Only a guess
    Martin

  • lilolmelilolme Posts: 2,741 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am not a buffalo person at all so my guess is going to be totally different.
    That black thread on the buffalo shoulder?

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  • Dug13Dug13 Posts: 273 ✭✭✭

    ^^ Ditto ^^

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  • stockdude_stockdude_ Posts: 487 ✭✭✭

    Wasnt the question about the holder and not the coin?

  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,493 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Other than the insert sitting low, I don't know what to say.

    Guess sometime it's the holder that should be bought (no - scrutinized maybe), not the coin.

    Pete

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  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BuffaloIronTail said:
    Other than the insert sitting low, I don't know what to say.

    Guess sometime it's the holder that should be bought (no - scrutinized maybe), not the coin.

    Pete

    I have no idea what it is. It's an active Ebay listing from a reputable seller in a reputable slab that appears to be graded correctly. Please share rather than just waiting for someone to say something. Sure, there appears to be a chip in the holder. Is that it?

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  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BuffaloIronTail Apologies, I thought you were the OP due to the similarities in handles. My mistake.

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  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 13,996 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Doesn't look at all like a proof to me.

    When in doubt, don't.
  • cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 7,925 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The excess plastic in the opening of the gasket is obscuring the rims.

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  • FloridafacelifterFloridafacelifter Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Left in the sun too long and the gasket melted around the reverse rim?

  • MaywoodMaywood Posts: 2,476 ✭✭✭✭✭

    With some visible damage to the capsule showing are you suggesting that it may have been tampered with and the coin switched??

  • 1Bufffan1Bufffan Posts: 655 ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 20, 2022 6:14AM

    there is no arcing die crack on the reverse, to many dings on the rear leg, plus the green Vergis hiding in the hair on reverse shoulder to me seems to be just a high-grade business strike. I would pass on this one. as far as the holder it looks fake to me.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I will sit here with popcorn and cabernet, waiting for 'the rest of the story'... I have the patience of a saint.... :D;) Cheers, RickO

  • DRUNNERDRUNNER Posts: 3,874 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Interesting post. Well . . . . . I am certainly going to revisit whenever this gets cleared up . . . . .

    Drunner

  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭

    All I can see is the crack in the holder by the cert. But is the coin last auction and cert checks out so do you think it was cracked out and replaced?



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  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,493 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1Bufffan said:
    there is no arcing die crack on the reverse, to many dings on the rear leg, plus the green Vergis hiding in the hair on reverse shoulder to me seems to be just a high-grade business strike. I would pass on this one. as far as the holder it looks fake to me.

    I tend to agree with you. The coin itself has more dings and dangs than I would figure would be on a proof.

    The coin possibly was mis-handled at one point, but then why a 66 grade?

    Wonder if there is a True View of it.

    Pete

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  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The first images aren’t the best. The holder images, however, are pretty telling that this coin is a proof.

    The details are full, sharp rims, matte fields, the whole thing. I don’t know why the OP posted this one but I hope he has a good reason because it is an active listing.

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  • numismanumisma Posts: 3,877 ✭✭✭✭

    Here's a photo of the coin from Heritage's 2008 sale of the same coin (Sale #1118, Houston, 12/2008). The coin and the holder remain the same since 2008.

  • clarkbar04clarkbar04 Posts: 4,970 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Even the "FIVE CENTS" looks mushy. Maybe a bus strike struck from proof dies.

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  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,141 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The only thing I see, other than scratches and nicks, weak rims, is the cracked case that runs from top right corner down to the lower right edge of information tab.
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  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,719 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just talked to the owner of the coin and they said the hair atop the bison is actually under the plastic.
    a nice bonus from the slabbing team i guess.

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  • lilolmelilolme Posts: 2,741 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Guessed one.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=wwmUMvhy-lY - Pink Me And Bobby McGee
    .
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  • FloridafacelifterFloridafacelifter Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sure it’s not a cricket antenna? Seems like there was one missing from the cricket slab.

  • zodiac65zodiac65 Posts: 275 ✭✭✭

    The rims are too sharp and thin!

    Yes, it was already said, the gasket is probably obscuring the rims (maybe a lot).

    Even so, when I look at all of CoinFacts pics for a 1915 proof,
    all of the rims are flat and wide.

    I don't see the same on this coin, obscured, or not.

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  • OldIndianNutKaseOldIndianNutKase Posts: 2,710 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think you should just buy it at a good price and submit it to PCGS for a regrade. Just to see if it is really a PR the second time around.

    OINK

  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,738 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree the PVC is a problem too

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  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,719 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This coin is not mine. I would never buy it because of the imbedded (pubic?) hair that rests atop the bison towards the
    center of the reverse of the coin. I contacted the seller and was advised that the hair was in the slab lying on the coin itself.
    And what also makes it somewhat undesirable is the "melted" plastic wring that wraps around the coin. And this has
    been an interesting thread as some of the participants have pointed out that it may not be a proof, but more likely than not it is since pcgs has slabbed it as such.

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  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BUFFNIXX said:
    This coin is not mine. I would never buy it because of the imbedded (pubic?) hair that rests atop the bison towards the
    center of the reverse of the coin. I contacted the seller and was advised that the hair was in the slab lying on the coin itself.
    And what also makes it somewhat undesirable is the "melted" plastic wring that wraps around the coin. And this has
    been an interesting thread as some of the participants have pointed out that it may not be a proof, but more likely than not it is since pcgs has slabbed it as such.

    Hmmm, A reholder could take care of the problems you mention. Perhaps the seller can do this and then see if you might like it. Of course if you think that pubic hair has forever infected the coin with coodies I guess it's a no go! :#

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,390 ✭✭✭✭✭

    you feel the black thing 1/8" long is a hair?

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,254 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @davewesen said:
    you feel the black thing 1/8" long is a hair?

    It sure looks like a hair.

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @davewesen said:
    you feel the black thing 1/8" long is a hair?

    Not only a hair but a pubic hair! :#

    I can't stop laughing about this. He should post it to the humor thread!

  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,009 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @davewesen said:
    you feel the black thing 1/8" long is a hair?

    It sure looks like a hair.

    looks like a thread to me. A hair would not likely bend into a hairpin shape like that.

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  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,493 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Connecticoin said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @davewesen said:
    you feel the black thing 1/8" long is a hair?

    It sure looks like a hair.

    looks like a thread to me. A hair would not likely bend into a hairpin shape like that.

    That's either hair nor there...................................

    Pete

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,254 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 23, 2022 3:25PM

    @Connecticoin said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @davewesen said:
    you feel the black thing 1/8" long is a hair?

    It sure looks like a hair.

    looks like a thread to me. A hair would not likely bend into a hairpin shape like that.

    You might consider other hair types than Scandinavian.

    But it could also be a fiber.

  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,998 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 23, 2022 3:51PM

    Edited to say I don’t think it’s a pubic hair.

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  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @crazyhounddog said:
    Edited to say I don’t think it’s a pubic hair.

    Are you an expert in pubic hairs? >:):#

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