Why are the results of 'mint sport' called 'errors'?
MasonG
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I equally embrace the term Mint Sport. Its international term for all this creative fun gets which made annually & globally. Personally, I am in love with & always promote "Shenanigans", which is my homage to Cartman on South Park,while Collector's Clearing House, Coin World Error Guru Mike Diamond uses Assisted. He is a true master of words, but we all get to same conclusion. Errors are always mistakes, but for those who care & see the difference know what's up with witnessing the one-off productions. And for those who vote with their wallets, we are all quite happy to add these odd & curious oddities to our collections. But of course, some are haters in or out of the error hobby. ALL USA MINTS LEAK Errors.
Thank You, please continue to hate and thus you keep admission price down. It's all legal and some are thought provoking, not just random riddled out of coinage stream boo-boos. But the fact coinage stream gets riddled and then gets released by somebody is little different to me. All this madness should get scrapped but that's not happening. This activity has gone on for century or more if you are paying attention. These flawless error goodies are welcomed. Just be happy unique coinage exists.
I don't hate. I'm just asking why a lot of these things that are intentionally created are called 'errors'.
Because sometimes it is hard to prove intent.
So they are grouped together with the apparently unintentional actual errors.
If you are not working in the Mint, then its just best guesses. Some are easy guesses like San Fran S Mint error production, but as I said from observations and dating back to 1979 researching US MINT errors a few decades earlier:
all USA Mints Leak.
If the rules we think exist in reality do exist, then we'd have a negligible fraction of errors, that is if riddled errors did not also find a way out to dealers.
Here is a proof Ike Dollar overstruck off-center on a Peace Dollar that was authenticated by NGC, but not labeled ‘mint error’. I bought and sold it twice, prior to being certified.
That seems reasonable. I think it's beyond unlikely that it was created otherwise than intentionally.
“Here is a proof Ike Dollar overstruck off-center on a Peace Dollar that was authenticated by NGC, but not labeled ‘mint error’. I bought and sold it twice, prior to being certified.”
During the transactions of buying and selling it twice, no one who saw it had any confusion regarding how it came to be.
And the TPG didn't see any reason to call it an error. Refreshing.
@MasonG
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Here is a similar over the top ‘mint error’ that WAS certified as such:
I’m confused! What was the name of the midnight minter
@Zoins
That’s a secret😉🤫
Errors?
Do you think it's an error or intentionally created?
@MasonG
Intentionally created.
It’s a famous coin.
If it's hard to tell between mint sport and mint error, the TPGs will err on the side of mint error.
This is the same as using the term "pattern" (made for Mint experiments) for "fantasy coin" (made only for customers). Since it's hard to identify if a "piece de caprice" is or is not a fantasy coin, they are all called patterns.
And the graphic you included calls it an error, which is the reason for this thread.
edited to add... I'm not saying these items are not interesting or desirable or collectible or anything. I'm asking why they're called 'errors' when they're clearly not.
Most assisted mint errors are designated as mint errors by both PCGS and NGC. They are also labeled as such by Fred Weinberg, Jon Sullivan, myself, Heritage Auctions, SB Auctions etc etc.
That is the industry standard as of now.
This has been discussed in great length in several previous threads in the PCGS forum.
In the future, should PCGS and NGC create a STANDARD to apply to which mint errors are accidental and which are not, I believe that everyone will follow it.
Because it makes it easier to sell, always follow the money.
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@Zoins stated:
“This is the same as using the term "pattern" (made for Mint experiments) for "fantasy coin" (made only for customers). Since it's hard to identify if a "piece de caprice" is or is not a fantasy coin, they are all called patterns.”
Excellent analogy.
@coinbuf...
I didn't say this:
2) Buy some ammo..... if you're just gonna blow it it's fun to blow someone else's money. 45-70 is $50 a box of 20
For the record...
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It's hard, so there's no point in trying to get it right? Ok.
@LindyS
Thats a very dramatic and exciting mint error!
Haha, must have been left over from a previous post I copied, fixed it.
My Collection of Old Holders
Never a slave to one plastic brand will I ever be.
If you want to do it, just do it. Start a catalog of Mint Sport.
Don't ask others to do something you won't do yourself
I'm working on two projects, so I have my hands full!
I have noticed that something like this happens here when the website autosaves your comments before you post them.
I may have missed it but I do not recall seeing him ask anyone to do anything other than clarify and answer a question.
My Collection of Old Holders
Never a slave to one plastic brand will I ever be.
??? I'm not asking anybody to do anything. I just asked why.
You missed it. Here it is
Then who are you expecting to "get it right" when you said the following?
I think you need to take your ego out of the equation and read that again, he did not ask anyone to do anything.
My Collection of Old Holders
Never a slave to one plastic brand will I ever be.
No ego. The post is asking for a change. Who should be driving that change?
Are you saying no change is desired from his post?
Nobody. I was paraphrasing your comment about "piece de caprice" / fantasy coins. You're the one who's saying there's no point in trying to get it right.
Okay, that's incorrect. I said it's not possible to get it right.
Again take your ego out of the equation, he is not asking for a change, you and a few others have a chip on your shoulder and take things like this out of context and attempt to twist it.
My Collection of Old Holders
Never a slave to one plastic brand will I ever be.
There is no ego. I'm just reading his words. I ask you to do the same. Don't project your thoughts on to others.
Like you are, funny.
My Collection of Old Holders
Never a slave to one plastic brand will I ever be.
I'm not saying anything about you.
If you let me, I may be able to have an intelligent conversation with him.
??? In response to my earlier question:
"Do you think it's an error or intentionally created?"
@Byers said:
"Intentionally created."
He seems confident about the possibility of getting it right.
edited to add.. at least sometimes.
I did not say you were saying anything about me, but you are with Mason.
My Collection of Old Holders
Never a slave to one plastic brand will I ever be.
Yes, please let us have our conversation. It's hard for me to respond to him when you're projecting on to me.
My Collection of Old Holders
Never a slave to one plastic brand will I ever be.
Feel free to propose that to our hosts. Everyone can have their own thoughts.
Do you have an issue with discussing mint errors on this forum? Are you a hater?
So now you want me to do the work, see how you are.
My Collection of Old Holders
Never a slave to one plastic brand will I ever be.
I'm not the one asking for a change. And it's your idea after all.
Why not it would benefit you and a couple of others, too much work for you?
My Collection of Old Holders
Never a slave to one plastic brand will I ever be.
It doesn't matter why not. I'm not asking for the change. You are.
Once again you need to take your ego out, I'm not asking for anything just suggesting a way for you and your kind to find a better way to enjoy yourselves.
My Collection of Old Holders
Never a slave to one plastic brand will I ever be.
It's fine the way it is. There's no ego
Are these coins worth less if intentionally created than true errors. Any thoughts