@Inspired70 said:
All the CC's are super tough in quality. Well done getting one of the four key's.
Just curious. Are you saying the 70-CC is one of the 4 toughest Seated Dollars to obtain.
@No Headlights: Not saying it is one of the four toughest to obtain, simply one of four of the tough Carson City run in the 1870's. IMHO, if you exclude the 1873-S(no known examples) and the 1870-S(only 9 known), I would say the four toughest in the entire series are the 1851, 1852, 1871-CC & 1873-CC to find in good quality.
@Inspired70 said:
All the CC's are super tough in quality. Well done getting one of the four key's.
Just curious. Are you saying the 70-CC is one of the 4 toughest Seated Dollars to obtain.
@No Headlights: Not saying it is one of the four toughest to obtain, simply one of four of the tough Carson City run in the 1870's. IMHO, if you exclude the 1873-S(no known examples) and the 1870-S(only 9 known), I would say the four toughest in the entire series are the 1851, 1852, 1871-CC & 1873-CC to find in good quality.
@Walkerfan said:
I really like all of my Seated Dollars and I think that I'll do well down the road. Haven't really overpaid yet, either.
Overpaid is relative. Where do you draw the line?
When I say overpaying; I usually refer to paying beyond NGC and PCGS retail price guide listing values. A lot of people go by the graysheet but I think that it is usually understated. You can also look at auction records but Seated dollars sell, so infrequently, that those results tend to be antiquated, as well. My advice to you is to pay as much as it is worth to you. If you pay more than you’re comfortable with, then you’re overpaying. I have paid twice as much, for certain pieces, than I probably should have, but don’t regret it and was happy to acquire them.
Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍
@Walkerfan said:
I really like all of my Seated Dollars and I think that I'll do well down the road. Haven't really overpaid yet, either.
Overpaid is relative. Where do you draw the line?
When I say overpaying; I usually refer to NGC and PCGS retail price guide listing values. A lot of people go by the graysheet but I think that it is usually understated. You can also look at auction records but Seated dollars sell, so infrequently, that those results tend to be antiquated, as well. My advice to you is to pay as much as it is worth to you. If you pay more than you’re comfortable with, then you’re overpaying. I have paid twice as much, for certain pieces, than I probably should have, but don’t regret it and was happy to acquire them.
@amwldcoin
This seemed to be going quickly. So don't know the seated, except the cc a little because I am just one of those who looks cc's up, so I did a quick check. There are some that don't come up to often at auction and this can be an indicator of how often they come around. So for 51, 52 or even 54, 55 and the remaining cc's (I am sure there are others) how much would you be willing to bend on the look or the grade versus maybe waiting years for the next one at the correct grade and look?
@lilolme said: @amwldcoin
This seemed to be going quickly. So don't know the seated, except the cc a little because I am just one of those who looks cc's up, so I did a quick check. There are some that don't come up to often at auction and this can be an indicator of how often they come around. So for 51, 52 or even 54, 55 and the remaining cc's (I am sure there are others) how much would you be willing to bend on the look or the grade versus maybe waiting years for the next one at the correct grade and look?
Hmmm, Not so much worried about finishing this set as having nice coins. This is because the 70-S is a stopper akin to holding back a volcano. I doubt 1 that matches what I'm looking for(does it even exist) ever becomes available during my fleeting time left here even if I have the bucks! There are 3 of the 4 you mention coming up in the next few weeks I have no interest in!
That answers it. Wait until the right one comes around. I asked because often (including me) one will bend a little on the tougher ones. That does not mean grab any piece that comes along. Oh and I didn't consider the 70 S. Another league.
The Norweb example is amazing. Viewing and grading the raw example in the James A. Stacks Sr. sale was a thrill. She graded MS-62 just as Duncan and I predicted.
@lilolme said:
That answers it. Wait until the right one comes around. I asked because often (including me) one will bend a little on the tougher ones. That does not mean grab any piece that comes along. Oh and I didn't consider the 70 S. Another league.
I will add this, If 1 I need can be purchased at a price I can move it along at I will buy it. I might have 1 like that showing up today or tomorrow. Tis another that's impossible to judge from the pics. So far I'm batting a thousand on that so I figure it's time to strike out.
Great coins and a cool set to build! I have a single type seated dollar and it's got that dark, original look like yours, they're definitely pleasing like that.
@lilolme said:
That answers it. Wait until the right one comes around. I asked because often (including me) one will bend a little on the tougher ones. That does not mean grab any piece that comes along. Oh and I didn't consider the 70 S. Another league.
I will add this, If 1 I need can be purchased at a price I can move it along at I will buy it. I might have 1 like that showing up today or tomorrow. Tis another that's impossible to judge from the pics. So far I'm batting a thousand on that so I figure it's time to strike out.
Ah, judging from pictures. That would be a little easier if the pics were all created equal but then..............Not!
OUCH! Well 3 outta 4 isn't a bad record. I'm not one to return coins so ya'll bash this one enough to make me change my mind. If the trends continue upwards I do think I can get out of this coin unscathed so to speak and use it as a place holder! The coin is white and does have luster which causes the darker look in the fields. Curious what the consensus thinks this 1 is worth being a little tougher date.
Edit...guess I should add it's in a PCGS 53 holder.
@lilolme said:
Based on your previous reply to my question, then this is a no. It would definitely be bending and maybe more than a little but not sure of that.
It's certainly a no for the end goal...but maybe a place holder.
@Walkerfan said:
Maybe I'm WRONG but I LIKE it.....
It's OK if you like dipped white coins...but that's not what I am after. To give an idea...the 48 looked white in the pictures also. This coin was so overlit you couldn't tell and did give hints it might have that nice light skin.
1856 is a tough date. Your example does not appear to have excessive field hairlines. Although it looks like some are on the holder - even if all of the scratches to the left of Liberty and the one on her were on the coin, it still would be a decent example IMHO. Good strike for a date that often comes otherwise. Although impossible to tell from a photo, the obverse area below Liberty suggests some remaining luster. No toning dots of consequence and the gasketed holder testifies to the coin's stability. Rim is unmarred.
I would vote 'keep'. I have to think you would go a long time before seeing a nicer 56.
Your progress on this tough series is noteworthy bordering on amazing.
What a task you have ahead of you! I have been working on an 1840s set for about the last decade, I admit not in a very focused way, and out of 11 coins I have about 6 that I am really happy with. All I can say is be patient, keep looking, and maintain good health as you are in a marathon not a sprint or even a 10K!
@Walkerfan said:
Maybe I'm WRONG but I LIKE it.....
It's OK if you like dipped white coins...but that's not what I am after. To give an idea...the 48 looked white in the pictures also. This coin was so overlit you couldn't tell and did give hints it might have that nice light skin.
Sorry I have to go the other way on this 56. Acknowledged it is one of the tougher dates in the 50’s ex 51 & 52 and they are super hard to find in good condition. That said, I just don’t think it fits the look of the rest of your collection @amwldcoin. You are doing such a good job in a short period of time with a great eye and consistent look across the coins you have added. Just think this 56 is an outlier to that look and would send it back if it were me and hold out for a stellar 56 that matched your look(no matter how long it takes). They will come around eventually, especially if you are not married to having a CAC example.
@Walkerfan said:
Maybe I'm WRONG but I LIKE it.....
It's OK if you like dipped white coins...but that's not what I am after. To give an idea...the 48 looked white in the pictures also. This coin was so overlit you couldn't tell and did give hints it might have that nice light skin.
Sorry I have to go the other way on this 56. Acknowledged it is one of the tougher dates in the 50’s ex 51 & 52 and they are super hard to find in good condition. That said, I just don’t think it fits the look of the rest of your collection @amwldcoin. You are doing such a good job in a short period of time with a great eye and consistent look across the coins you have added. Just think this 56 is an outlier to that look and would send it back if it were me and hold out for a stellar 56 that matched your look(no matter how long it takes). They will come around eventually, especially if you are not married to having a CAC example.
I'll admit that it's not original, as his other coins are. But, I don't mind a dipped coin, if done properly. I DO respect your opinion, though. MOST of my Liberty Seated coins are original. I do have one dipped coin (1860-O) and I paid up for her. She looks great and not a dull white. She's undergraded, too. To each his own.
Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍
@Walkerfan said:
Maybe I'm WRONG but I LIKE it.....
It's OK if you like dipped white coins...but that's not what I am after. To give an idea...the 48 looked white in the pictures also. This coin was so overlit you couldn't tell and did give hints it might have that nice light skin.
Sorry I have to go the other way on this 56. Acknowledged it is one of the tougher dates in the 50’s ex 51 & 52 and they are super hard to find in good condition. That said, I just don’t think it fits the look of the rest of your collection @amwldcoin. You are doing such a good job in a short period of time with a great eye and consistent look across the coins you have added. Just think this 56 is an outlier to that look and would send it back if it were me and hold out for a stellar 56 that matched your look(no matter how long it takes). They will come around eventually, especially if you are not married to having a CAC example.
I will replace it when I find another! I'm OK with the price I paid and feel I shouldn't have a problem getting my money out of it, possibly even a little more after studying things a bit more. I do value your input! It absolutely doesn't fit the look I'm after!
@amwldcoin said:
Here’s a pleasing mostly white coin I will replace when the right toned coin comes along.
Whats the grade on this one?
What do you think? I will say this after doing all these dollars with my phone. It absolutely does not show luster which this coin has plenty of! It is easier to get accurate color if your in a hurry though.
@Walkerfan said:
Maybe I'm WRONG but I LIKE it.....
It's OK if you like dipped white coins...but that's not what I am after. To give an idea...the 48 looked white in the pictures also. This coin was so overlit you couldn't tell and did give hints it might have that nice light skin.
Well done! She fits that originality and look you are going for. Very tough date and one I have struggled with for a long time with my own set. Cheers to both your progress and your good eye!
Wasn’t going for 58’s but the price was right and I really like the coin! It’s lighter than my phone picture. Actually for a change the true view is pretty much spot on.
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@No Headlights: Not saying it is one of the four toughest to obtain, simply one of four of the tough Carson City run in the 1870's. IMHO, if you exclude the 1873-S(no known examples) and the 1870-S(only 9 known), I would say the four toughest in the entire series are the 1851, 1852, 1871-CC & 1873-CC to find in good quality.
I agree with @Crusty the 72s is a tough date and they typically do not come nice. My 72s in my set.
I agree with your top 4 100%. Thank you
Let’s knock out the toughest date in the 40’s.
An easier date I might upgrade at some point.
@amwldcoin That 1848 is a knockout!!
I agree with you, as I don't restrict myself to only PCGS or PCGS/CAC coins.
I really like all of my Seated Dollars and I think that I'll do well down the road. Haven't really overpaid yet, either.
Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍
My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947):
https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/
LOL! I do think it's the nicest so far!
Right now I am(PCGS only CAC or no)....might change if the well stays dry!
Overpaid is relative. Where do you draw the line?
IMO, you only time you will find out if you overpaid is when you go to sell..........
Mike
My Indians
Danco Set
When I say overpaying; I usually refer to paying beyond NGC and PCGS retail price guide listing values. A lot of people go by the graysheet but I think that it is usually understated. You can also look at auction records but Seated dollars sell, so infrequently, that those results tend to be antiquated, as well. My advice to you is to pay as much as it is worth to you. If you pay more than you’re comfortable with, then you’re overpaying. I have paid twice as much, for certain pieces, than I probably should have, but don’t regret it and was happy to acquire them.
Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍
My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947):
https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/
Sounds like we think the same way!
@amwldcoin
This seemed to be going quickly. So don't know the seated, except the cc a little because I am just one of those who looks cc's up, so I did a quick check. There are some that don't come up to often at auction and this can be an indicator of how often they come around. So for 51, 52 or even 54, 55 and the remaining cc's (I am sure there are others) how much would you be willing to bend on the look or the grade versus maybe waiting years for the next one at the correct grade and look?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=wwmUMvhy-lY - Pink Me And Bobby McGee
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=D0FPxuQv2ns - Ruby Starr (from 'Go Jim Dandy') Maybe I'm Amazed
RLJ 1958 - 2023
Hmmm, Not so much worried about finishing this set as having nice coins. This is because the 70-S is a stopper akin to holding back a volcano. I doubt 1 that matches what I'm looking for(does it even exist) ever becomes available during my fleeting time left here even if I have the bucks! There are 3 of the 4 you mention coming up in the next few weeks I have no interest in!
That answers it. Wait until the right one comes around. I asked because often (including me) one will bend a little on the tougher ones. That does not mean grab any piece that comes along. Oh and I didn't consider the 70 S. Another league.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=wwmUMvhy-lY - Pink Me And Bobby McGee
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=D0FPxuQv2ns - Ruby Starr (from 'Go Jim Dandy') Maybe I'm Amazed
RLJ 1958 - 2023
48 is a tough date to find decent especially in choice AU. The only 70s $ I really like is the Norweb specimen (AU58 CAC)….
B
If we get our entire Seated Dollar "club" together I think the Norweb specimen would still be a pipe dream! But, damn nice coin.
Jim
The Norweb example is amazing. Viewing and grading the raw example in the James A. Stacks Sr. sale was a thrill. She graded MS-62 just as Duncan and I predicted.
Jim,
There is a cool video on YouTube featuring the 70s $? Here is a snap shot… between the 8 of us we may have a shot!
Thanks B. Great video of an impossible (almost) coin.
Jim
I will add this, If 1 I need can be purchased at a price I can move it along at I will buy it. I might have 1 like that showing up today or tomorrow. Tis another that's impossible to judge from the pics. So far I'm batting a thousand on that so I figure it's time to strike out.
Great coins and a cool set to build! I have a single type seated dollar and it's got that dark, original look like yours, they're definitely pleasing like that.
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You're moving really fast on this series, as I think I'd be at like 2-3 coins a decade from now.
Ah, judging from pictures. That would be a little easier if the pics were all created equal but then..............Not!
https://youtube.com/watch?v=wwmUMvhy-lY - Pink Me And Bobby McGee
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=D0FPxuQv2ns - Ruby Starr (from 'Go Jim Dandy') Maybe I'm Amazed
RLJ 1958 - 2023
The Norweb example is CRUSTY. 😃 No wonder you like it! LOL It’s a great coin!!
Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍
My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947):
https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/
OUCH! Well 3 outta 4 isn't a bad record. I'm not one to return coins so ya'll bash this one enough to make me change my mind. If the trends continue upwards I do think I can get out of this coin unscathed so to speak and use it as a place holder! The coin is white and does have luster which causes the darker look in the fields. Curious what the consensus thinks this 1 is worth being a little tougher date.
Edit...guess I should add it's in a PCGS 53 holder.
Based on your previous reply to my question, then this is a no. It would definitely be bending and maybe more than a little but not sure of that.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=wwmUMvhy-lY - Pink Me And Bobby McGee
.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=D0FPxuQv2ns - Ruby Starr (from 'Go Jim Dandy') Maybe I'm Amazed
RLJ 1958 - 2023
It's certainly a no for the end goal...but maybe a place holder.
You'd never see a CAC sticker on a coin like that. Just sayin.
"It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
LOL! I was curious if it had been to CAC! I've seen worse!
Maybe I'm WRONG but I LIKE it.....
Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍
My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947):
https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/
It's OK if you like dipped white coins...but that's not what I am after. To give an idea...the 48 looked white in the pictures also. This coin was so overlit you couldn't tell and did give hints it might have that nice light skin.
1856 is a tough date. Your example does not appear to have excessive field hairlines. Although it looks like some are on the holder - even if all of the scratches to the left of Liberty and the one on her were on the coin, it still would be a decent example IMHO. Good strike for a date that often comes otherwise. Although impossible to tell from a photo, the obverse area below Liberty suggests some remaining luster. No toning dots of consequence and the gasketed holder testifies to the coin's stability. Rim is unmarred.
I would vote 'keep'. I have to think you would go a long time before seeing a nicer 56.
Your progress on this tough series is noteworthy bordering on amazing.
What a task you have ahead of you! I have been working on an 1840s set for about the last decade, I admit not in a very focused way, and out of 11 coins I have about 6 that I am really happy with. All I can say is be patient, keep looking, and maintain good health as you are in a marathon not a sprint or even a 10K!
Sorry I have to go the other way on this 56. Acknowledged it is one of the tougher dates in the 50’s ex 51 & 52 and they are super hard to find in good condition. That said, I just don’t think it fits the look of the rest of your collection @amwldcoin. You are doing such a good job in a short period of time with a great eye and consistent look across the coins you have added. Just think this 56 is an outlier to that look and would send it back if it were me and hold out for a stellar 56 that matched your look(no matter how long it takes). They will come around eventually, especially if you are not married to having a CAC example.
I'll admit that it's not original, as his other coins are. But, I don't mind a dipped coin, if done properly. I DO respect your opinion, though. MOST of my Liberty Seated coins are original. I do have one dipped coin (1860-O) and I paid up for her. She looks great and not a dull white. She's undergraded, too. To each his own.
Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍
My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947):
https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/
I will replace it when I find another! I'm OK with the price I paid and feel I shouldn't have a problem getting my money out of it, possibly even a little more after studying things a bit more. I do value your input! It absolutely doesn't fit the look I'm after!
Let’s finish the S mints!
Hot diggity Dog!! That's a NICE ONE!!
Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍
My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947):
https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/
I am very happy with it!
Here’s pictures with a little more light. That is luster all around the obv. periphery
59s $ is very tough! Congrats on crossing a tough one off the list.
Wow it's almost like you found a gumball machine that spits out PCGS seated dollars
Excellent example to my eye. Congratulations. LSD collection 1/4 complete in one month - wow!
Here’s a pleasing mostly white coin I will replace when the right toned coin comes along.
Whats the grade on this one?
Mike
My Indians
Danco Set
What do you think? I will say this after doing all these dollars with my phone. It absolutely does not show luster which this coin has plenty of! It is easier to get accurate color if your in a hurry though.
Wow, your rapidly moving right along!
Much quicker than me building my "Toned Silver Eagle" Dansco album.
Good for you, dude.
Very beautiful, as well.
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--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.Sorry I have to go the > @amwldcoin said:
Well done! She fits that originality and look you are going for. Very tough date and one I have struggled with for a long time with my own set. Cheers to both your progress and your good eye!
The perfect look in my opinion.
Wasn’t going for 58’s but the price was right and I really like the coin! It’s lighter than my phone picture. Actually for a change the true view is pretty much spot on.
Geez - you're a high speed collector. I'm thinking speed chess for some reason.
Wish I had your bankroll. Peel a few thousand my way?
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