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1895 s $20 Would the mark on the cheek be considered scratched

KtpKtp Posts: 68 ✭✭
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Wondering if the mark on the cheek would make this grade as scratched details only















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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,481 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Unfortunately it looks like a light staple scratch. I’d say odds of a straight grade are 50-50.

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    KtpKtp Posts: 68 ✭✭

    Kinda my thought as well. I go back and forth on it. It does seem to start in the contact mark around the middle of the nose. I sent it off so will no for sure someday.

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,047 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Based on the pictures of the entire coin, my guess would be a straight grade.

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    RexfordRexford Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No, too minor to result in a details grade

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    KtpKtp Posts: 68 ✭✭

    Fingers crossed. Will post results whenever I get it back

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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,938 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It would probably straight grade unless the scratch is much more visible in-hand than in the photos.

    Way too many photos posted. Edit, edit, edit!

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    KtpKtp Posts: 68 ✭✭

    Ha! Fair enough. Just tried to give an over all look in varied light at different angles.

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    TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think it'll straight grade!

    Tom

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    fathomfathom Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Straight. Maybe net graded.

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    commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,078 ✭✭✭

    Should straight grade. I don't think PCGS will break out the electron microscope and look at it 15 different ways.

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    Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 8, 2022 10:54PM

    Nice coin let us know how she grade’s out.



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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,418 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Straight grade. That scratch will be considered by the graders when they assign a grade and may cause them to drop the grade a point from what it would have graded if it weren't present on your coin. Also, could we get a few more pics? ;)

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,047 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @fathom said:
    Straight. Maybe net graded.

    Isn’t every coin other than an MS70 or PF70 “net graded” for various imperfections?

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Ktp ... Welcome aboard.... I think it will straight grade. Honestly, the ding below the eye concerns me more.... Let us know what grade it receives. Also, what grade do YOU think it will get. Cheers, RickO

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    TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    2,756 pictures are a bit much.

    okay should grade

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    airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 21,908 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'd give it decent odds of straight-grading. It's not strong enough to be an obvious "oh jeez, that coin has a scratch I can't unsee" candidate, so this is the type of scratch where it depends on how it hits the light. If it's relatively minor at any angle (even if noticeable) I imagine it should grade. If, as the coin is being rotated under light, it flashes like a headlamp and becomes super obvious, it could be deemed distracting enough to warrant a details grade. It will hurt the grade regardless, but without seeing it in hand (and even then, it's probably still going to be luck of the draw) I can't say with more certainty.

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    fathomfathom Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @fathom said:
    Straight. Maybe net graded.

    Isn’t every coin other than an MS70 or PF70 “net graded” for various imperfections?

    Yes. And in this case a more specific rationale it would not details IMO.

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    ms71ms71 Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It being a $20, I expect it to straight grade. $20s seem to get a little more leeway for dings, light scratches, dark (sometimes blackish) bag friction on the cheek, etc.

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    KtpKtp Posts: 68 ✭✭

    Ricko if I had to guess I would say 64. I have 10 other liberty $20 and they are all 62’s and 63’s. This is far superior to all of those. In hand not much is noticeable to me. Looking at photos of 64’s it looks more mark free than the ones I have seen on Pcgs, heritage, stacks, etc… I haven’t seen enough in person yet to be super confident.

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    Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 7,618 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 9, 2022 8:12AM

    Looks to me like what wb called a big hit or major mark. I would wager straight grade.

    Can’t see it going any higher than 61.

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    moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ms71 said:
    It being a $20, I expect it to straight grade. $20s seem to get a little more leeway for dings, light scratches, dark (sometimes blackish) bag friction on the cheek, etc.

    I would expect double eagles, being such big heavy coins, to have more dings and chatter etc. than smaller coins. They may well get more leeway for straight grading.

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    lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 7,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Welcome to the Forums! I think I'd need to see more pictures to know for sure... :wink:

    Seriously though... as others have already said, I also think it would likely straight-grade. The first two close-up images seemed to highlight the light scratch, which then disappeared when viewing the entire coin...

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    WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 6,347 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hey @Ktp Welcome aboard.
    I hope that it will straight grade for you.
    Outstanding pictures but far too many.
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    SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,250 ✭✭✭✭✭

    One more photo and I can tell for sure.

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    KtpKtp Posts: 68 ✭✭


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    KtpKtp Posts: 68 ✭✭

    Came back ms 62

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    pcgscacgoldpcgscacgold Posts: 2,637 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice coin.

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    pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 6,592 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Ktp said:
    Came back ms 62

    Nice looking 62


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