Feelings about die variety attributed on slab
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How do you feel about the die variety attributed on the TPG label? I am mostly thinking about people that collect by die marriage, but everyone’s input would be of interest.
Feelings about die variety attributed on slab
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I really don't care since I'm a type collector and have no interest in die marriages. I suppose the presence of a die marriage on a label could result in the coin being more expensive, but most likely a dealer who knows to price such a coin higher also knows to attribute it if the number isn't on the label, so it doesn't really matter.
Die marriage is more info and more info is good!
So you would send a common date MS63 Morgan of a common VAM to be attributed even though it will cost $50 to add the information to a $50 coin?
I voted 'It's a must' because I didn't see 'depends on the coin' as an option. For me, it is a must if the coin has a variety that is worth attributing.
While I'm a variety guy, I have experienced times where the variety attribution on the slab can have a negative effect. The first thing that comes to mind are ultra-common VAMs. I have sold certified attributed examples and certified examples with no attribution, and I always seem to do better with the coins that have no attribution on the holder if the VAM is common.
Like @cmerlo1 says:
If I care about the variety, it should be on the slab.
If I don't care about the variety, it doesn't need to be on the slab.
Don't fit in any of the 4 responses...
When it is a scarce/ rare die variety it is a must for me to have the correct attribution labeled; otherwise not so much
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If I collected it because it was a variety, I would want the variety confirmed/authenticated. Plus, it makes it easier to remember why I collected the coin in the first place.
I went with "I prefer that my coins be attributed, but not a big deal either way". I would prefer that they are attributed as I am currently pursuing major varieties in a particular series but at this time I do not find it financially sound to send in coins that are not labeled appropriately for the variety. For the more rare varieties, I would certainly reconsider attribution if and when I chose to sell.
doesn't matter to me as i'm not into that select area of collecting
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I really don't care. The only problem comes if they get it wrong. Then it can result in some refunds and hassles.
I agree. But that's a little different than "it's a must", isn't it?
I don’t make the choices in this poll.
This one fit the best as I generally focus on what I care about
Either way works for me
@burfle23
Although I voted for a preference, there should be another option to attribute rare varieties that have additional rarity value.
A recent auction had some extreme rarities R-6 to R-7 that were not slab attributed or described. It can also make a difference for estates.
If it's a rare die marriage I like it cited on the cert. And as a practical matter it is sometimes easier to sell when a cert look-up reflects its rarity value.
Lance.
I have a number of references and try to attribute everything I can, raw or slabbed. The more info, the better, plus it's a good learning experience IMO. However, I'm OK if it's not printed on the slab. I just add a small sticker with the info.
I also use a small sticker and neatly print the information using a fine point sharpie.
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I have a significant number of variety Buffalo nickels in PCGS and NGC holders that are not attributed, only identified with a hand written sticker on the slab. Since I know what they are there is no need to have them attributed now. When it comes time to sell, that will be a different story.
I don't mind the variety listed on the label. I actually kind of like it. But I would prefer that if the coin still used the same coin number as the base instead of getting a new coin number. Reason... the true pop reports can get confusing on pop higher when using the coin lookup by number.
I actually own a couple of slabbed examples with raw varieties noted on the label and are not...
Given all the other oddball info that's on labels, absolutely! Peace Roy
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The problem with this is that entirely too often the TPGs--all of them--get it wrong.
And it seems to always go in the wrong direction, ie, calling a common R-2 die marriage an R-5--never the other way.
Edit to add: For example, at least 3 of the 17 1827s attributed by PCGS as O-127 are actually 106s. Those are just the ones I've physically seen in hand.
Really doesn't matter to me, but with tougher die marriages, if I was a seller, I might send them in for attribution, depending on the rarity and the coin.
What I hate is when they are attributed WRONG. Rather have them off the holder if that's the case.
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Right. We've seen that often enough. When it's wrong I make sure it is corrected.
Lance.
I didn’t vote because there was no option for “It depends”. For my seated dime variety set, it is critical. For the type set I had, I really didn’t care.
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It is not important to me, but would not bother me if it was done. I know many collectors are interested in this attribute, so it would be great for them. Cheers, RickO
More information is always better, so long as it is accurate. Even so, the majority of time the information is esoteric.
Unless the TPG has identified on the label the attribute, I am not interested in adding it into my collection.
Wayne
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I don't consider myself a big collector but I have 2 attributed coins, one is an 1853 50 cent DDR FS801. This coin was very important to me to get attributed, it was given to me by my father raw in a box of coins he had. I also have an 1858 50 Cent Type 2 Reverse WB 110, I could have cared less about that and didn't feel like I paid a premium for it so it is what it is.
You are potentionally leaving money on the table when it comes time to sell. Some dealers that I approached to sell a nonattributed variety would not buy the coin unless it was attributed by a TPG.
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Doesn’t matter either way.
I have several CBH’s that are mis-attributed on the label. If you are going to collect by variety you need to be able to attribute yourself. If you can’t identify the variety yourself and you are interested in varieties than it is time to close your wallet and pick up a few books.
Not my exact preference for an answer, but the closest of the choices.
If I'm an attribution collector, then of course it must be on the slab, If not what the difference.
Jim
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I agree but when it is time to sell if you state the correct variety anyone looking at the coin who cares about the variety should be able to easily verify your assertion.
But there are a lot of plastic collectors out there who know very little about what is actually in the slab.
I would choose option 5: if it’s an important variety I will add it.
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But it depends if it’s something good or not a big deal.
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some registry sets require varieties on the label