1898 Barber Quarter NGC MS67+ Will it CAC?
blackhorse360
Posts: 300 ✭✭✭
Hey guys I’m trying to decide what I want to do with this quarter. I’m thinking about selling it but haven’t decided yet. I know if by some rare chance I can get a CAC sticker it drastically changes the game. It’s a Super nice 1898 Barber quarter NGC MS67+. PCGS has only graded 1 in this grade and I think NGC has only graded 1 or 2 as well. I’ve included pictures of the coin what do you guys think my odds are of getting a CAC sticker. Thank you! 
0
Comments
Not good imho. But worth a shot.
"It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
It can't hurt to try. Sometimes, PCGS and NGC have different ideas of toning they find acceptable / attractive. There's no way I can get a feel for a toned coin without actually having it in hand.
"Seu cabra da peste,
"Sou Mangueira......."
Either a cross or a CAC or both could help the value.
Thanks for your input, Captain Obvious!
Thank you guys for all the input. Do you think I have a pretty good chance of PCGS crossing it?
It's a cool coin. I love the date too. I'll be honest, based on the photo, I don't see a 67+ coin. I'd say you might have low odds of crossing it into a PCGS 67+ holder. 1) The stars aren't fully struck up 2) The cheek has some stuff going on...marks etc. Doesn't mean it's not a desirable coin however.....Just might not make the 67+ grade at PCGS. That's a tough grade to attain for any MS Barber coin.
Just for reference, here is a PCGS MS-67. No plus. It looks pretty clean in terms of surfaces, and has a full strike.
No one can definitely decide from a photo. It is simply worth the attempt.
I apologize for being unnecessarily (and unusually) succinct.
Impossible to say from the photo. It is worth the attempt.
I don't think that JA will view this toning as a plus. Not attractive IMO.
I just love how the grading companies give lofty grades to coins with negative eye appeal. No CAC from me.
I will say this for the naysayers. NGC photos suck as a rule.
When you are playing in the upper reaches of the grading scale nothing is certain. Opinions, opinions and more opinions.
You miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
-Wayne Gretzky
-Michael Jordan
-Michael Scott
Ounce by ounce the stack grows .
Mostly true - coin could look much better in hand. Why not send it for the CAC?
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Only one opinion matters. Send it in. Good luck
After the recent CAC'd toned Peace dollar thread, I now view anything as possible...
Thank you guys. Your always a great help. I’m going to send it in I’ll keep you updated
I’d wager it’s already been reviewed by CAC.
"Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
I don’t think so, but it may be worth a try.
Maybe, but no one to know unless Heritage can tell you.
A lot of the original toning JA approves of is not attractive at all. There are some real butt-ugly CAC coins out there, IMO.
And so it begins...
Poof
There are some real butt-ugly CAC coins out there, IMO.
FIFY
I thought with numismatics we were still allowed to express our opinions of said coins? Why the mention of "POOF" ????
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
What is going on at the cheek? Is that just toning or something affecting the surfaces?
Those are HA's photos, though I don't think it changes your point much
"It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
When we start down the CAC road, it always goes poof.
It is funny, though, that you even mention CAC. Why isn't it an ugly coin in PCGS plastic? If CAC agrees with PCGS, isn't that prevailing market sentiment not anything specific to JA/CAC?
If you made the coin yourself, then it has a chance. If you bought the coin out of a major auction, then it has practically zero chance. But good luck to you
As for me - Not gonna buy that dance. Don’t see it as A or B coin. The dark toning on back of neck obv a real turnoff for me.
However / At least take your turn at bat and give CAC a try. It’s up to him.
Until you do it all we can say is "send it and find out". Anything else is blowing smoke.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
Based on #2, I truly believe you will not succeed in getting the sticker. But to give you peace of mind, for only a few bucks, you can give it a shot!
Let us know how you make out.
Steve
My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
I agree with others, no way to predict.... Pay your money and try... Let us know what happens. Cheers, RickO
Well to be a nit picker and in jest it is in an NGC holder, not PCGS!
A better question for the OP to ask himself: will I still like the coin when it fails CAC?
"Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
Glad you decided to send it in.
Wayne
Kennedys are my quest...
Did this coin CAC?
My problem with the coin in the OP is I had to pause. This coin for me required no pause. I would be surprised if it didn't CAC.
These are all CAC 67’s. The second one is a 67+. One thing I do notice, as @Eldorado9 has stated, is that these seem to have a better strike where you can see the detail in the facets of each star. Most likely yours has made a trip to JA before, since it was sold on heritage, but it couldn’t hurt to try.
Side note- I’m in love with the last one and I had to post both obv and rev. I don’t know why but it seems like the most beautifully toned coins to my eye happen to be barber coinage.
Founder- Peak Rarities
Website
Instagram
Facebook
I don’t think the strike of the stars would have any bearing on whether CAC would sticker the coin.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
To answer your question I love the the coin as it is now.I’m simply asking the question about the possibility.
A few more pertinent data points to consider - the coin realized $3500 in 2015 vs an $11,500 price guide
Has anyone asked HA if the sent it to CAC? They would probably tell you.
1 - I don’t care for the toning but don’t think that alone would preclude it from stickering.
2- It looks like there is chatter on the cheek. I find it distracting and it should IMHO keep it from stickering.
3- Throw in your next submission and let’s see. It could make for a fun thread. 😊
There’s your answer OP. If this was a high end piece, it would certainly already have a sticker and likely would already be in PCGS plastic.
I was told a few years ago that they generally send anything worth near $1K or more into CAC automatically.
Yet on the opposite side of the coin...
CAC has stickered many coins they rejected once when viewed a second time.
My experience has been otherwise. I bought some mint state 1850s gold that subsequently stickered on the first attempt a few years ago.
Very telling. I would be very happy with this quarter as an MS-66 but no harm in trying for a CAC sticker first.
In fact, if you fail CAC will waive their fee assuming you submit it as a collector.
If you are successful then I would try to cross it to PCGS at 67 not 67+.
Why is that? Isn’t the strike a component of a coin’s grade?
Nothing is as expensive as free money.
You loose nothing by submitting it. Why not try?
It is best to just ask. I don't see any reason why they wouldn't tell you, unless they simply don't want everyone asking them on every coin.