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Test your instincts, which coin is fake

CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited October 5, 2021 3:42PM in U.S. Coin Forum

While dark side for sure may of us have to make snap decisions on coins over photo that we may not have specific diagnostic info memorized. Take a try and see. If these were on eBay any you were a buyer where would you put your money?

Test your instincts, which coin is fake

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  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 5, 2021 4:03PM
    Coin on the right (1912)

    @PerryHall said:
    Where's the "We need better pics" option?

    Right next to the better picture option on EBay? Maybe Clearner nails should have been an option.

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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,552 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin on the right (1912)

    I like the toning on the 1912, but the details just seem a little off…especially the date.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,437 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin on the left (1908)

    The coin on the right seems to have sharper detail.

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin on the left (1908)

    The coin on the right has sharper detail and much more distinct reeding. I don't know much about this series of coins so this is just a guess on my part.

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  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,956 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin on the left (1908)

    @PerryHall said:
    The coin on the right seems to have sharper detail.

    Actually I was thinking just the opposite focusing on the detail of the cape.

    Judging from the edge pics I think the left one is fake IF both coins are silver. If I was making a fake silver coin I wouldn't use more silver than the real one so I think the lesser coin is the fake.

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  • Jzyskowski1Jzyskowski1 Posts: 6,650 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Both

    Both

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  • Are those holes on the edge of the LH coin?

  • RH coin’s edge appears thicker.
    Thicker for more weight?

  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,584 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Neither

    Leaning towards both real, but if one has to be fake then I'd vote the one on the right.

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  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin on the right (1912)

    @CopperLad said:
    Are those holes on the edge of the LH coin?

    No, ink splotches

  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 5, 2021 4:28PM
    Coin on the right (1912)

    @CopperLad said:
    RH coin’s edge appears thicker.
    Thicker for more weight?

    Assuming the same specific density right? No weights given ;)

  • jedmjedm Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My guess is that the coin on the right is fake 1912

  • nwcoastnwcoast Posts: 2,880 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin on the right (1912)

    My guess that the one on the right just looked too even and refined.
    The old “too good to be true” saying comes to mind. Tiny scratches and all.
    Just a hunch and admittedly could be way off the mark.

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  • erwindocerwindoc Posts: 5,193 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin on the right (1912)

    My guess is the 1912. Strike is weaker and Id guess something to accelerate the toning.

  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin on the right (1912)

    Wow at this point it’s 10 to 10. Fun stuff I’ll do a reveal in the early am EST time tomorrow. Night all

  • @Crypto said:

    @CopperLad said:
    RH coin’s edge appears thicker.
    Thicker for more weight?

    Assuming the same specific density right? No weights given ;)

    Ink, not holes on the edge. Thickness shot down, I am out of ideas.

  • dlmtortsdlmtorts Posts: 742 ✭✭✭
    Coin on the right (1912)

    I voted that the coin on the right is fake. The 2 in the date looks wrong. Just my swag.

  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,111 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin on the right (1912)

    The obv exhibits several details that I don't like. But that's just me. Peace Roy

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  • streeterstreeter Posts: 4,312 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 5, 2021 6:03PM
    Coin on the right (1912)

    RH, The toning is almost identical on both sides. Same characteristics as fake Morgans. Darker perimeter toning.

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  • kazkaz Posts: 9,223 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin on the right (1912)

    the coin on the right just has a mushiness to the details especially on the obverse. The surfaces have an odd sheen too.
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  • Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 5,866 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin on the right (1912)

    I’m thinking the one on the right is fake. Less sharp small details, almost like not struck completely but maybe just less small details on the dies.

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  • jayPemjayPem Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin on the right (1912)

    1912 fake.

    Luster and metal flow on the 1908 look right to me, 1912 surfaces look flat and wrong.
    I have avoided pulling one out of the cabinet for comparison, but the detail on the head, face and hands of the 1912 also look whack... having had plenty of these over the years, I'm hoping my memory serves well 😅

  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Both

    I think the 08 may be authentic, but if forced to make s quick call, I would pass on both.

  • Aegis3Aegis3 Posts: 2,908 ✭✭✭
    Coin on the right (1912)

    I'd say the 1912 is fake, not that I'm certain. BTW, the reverses are shown upside-down.

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  • JonBrand83JonBrand83 Posts: 488 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin on the left (1908)

    Changed my mind after voting.

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  • What they said. The 12 is fake.

  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,477 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin on the right (1912)

    Don't know the series.
    Pretty sure the one on the right is fake. It has the look of a lot of fakes I saw in China, where they try to give patina for an aged look.

    If it's real, and I'm wrong, then I'm really glad I don't collect those.

    Don't really like the one on the left either, but it may well be real.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin on the right (1912)

    The coin on the right.... details are soft and does not look like a weak strike... Cheers, RickO

  • mbogomanmbogoman Posts: 5,202 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 6, 2021 5:05AM
    Coin on the left (1908)

    Mushy details on the one on the right. If I had to choose one as fake, that would be the one...

    Edit: I just realized that my vote was the opposite of what I meant. "Read the fine print, Jim, you dummy!!!"

  • JMS1223JMS1223 Posts: 1,108 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin on the left (1908)

    How do you change your vote? I am now leaning towards both are fake.

  • sellitstoresellitstore Posts: 3,003 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Coin on the right is definitely fake-100%. I'd have too compare the one on the left to a genuine coin and I'm too lazy to do so now.

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  • TradesWithChopsTradesWithChops Posts: 640 ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 6, 2021 7:32AM
    Neither

    Really dont like either of the coins, regardless if they are fake or not. specifically, I dont like th erims on the right one. they appear to change width at several locations. Also, neither rim extend all the way to the edge like I would expect. additionally, normally there is a bit of space on these between the details and the rim whereas these coins dont have much space at all.

    im no expert in these coins, though. That's just what stood out to me.

    edit: looking a bit harder, i think they are both definitely fake. The right one the rims are awful. The left one has details all the way to the rim in the obverse and reverse.

    edit2: I realize now i selected neither but meant both. whatever. lol

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  • DCWDCW Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin on the right (1912)

    The coin on right looks like it has lost detail, especially on the torso which has turned Lady Liberty's gown into a bikini?

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  • AercusAercus Posts: 381 ✭✭✭✭
    Coin on the right (1912)

    Admittedly not my series or even country, but the one on the right has a fabric that just appears wrong. Also, the denticles are weird. I can't say the left is definitely good, but the right is extremely suspect.

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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ok so my very first thought was the coin on the right was fake but I have changed my mind. I can forgive central devices not being struck up but periphery design? Nope

  • TradesWithChopsTradesWithChops Posts: 640 ✭✭✭✭
    Neither

    but periphery design? Nope

    jinx. thats what i argued 30 minutes ago :D

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  • TradesWithChopsTradesWithChops Posts: 640 ✭✭✭✭
    Neither

    also, this post has taught me i shouldnt pull all nighters before taking exams. answering the exact opposite of your reasoning is not a great thing. LOL

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  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,169 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin on the left (1908)

    I'm seeing weakness in strike along the edge detail on the 1908 whereas the 1912 appears to be better struck... the edge thickness and "spots" on the 1908 looked suspect to me. I'm glad there's no money involved!

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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,483 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 6, 2021 7:58AM

    Both coins were struck at Bombay... Not to be more negative than usual, I would pass on both. Neither have the look in terms of die prep that I would expect to see. I dislike the 1908 more than the 1912. These have become very collectible in high grades and the condition of these does not help the cause in my view as to determining authenticity from an image. I am not voting...

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  • TurtleCatTurtleCat Posts: 4,628 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin on the right (1912)

    I just wish I kept the AU version I had bought back 30 years ago. They cost so much more now.

  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin on the right (1912)

    coin on the right :)

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  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin on the right (1912)

    Now I think the one on the right is bad based on the air bubbles that appear in the edge reading.?
    But the flag detail is missing from the one on the right?>
    I'll now say both are fake.

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  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 9,016 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin on the right (1912)

    The coin on the right doesn't have the same details as the one on the left. In the case of only one coin to look at I would have purchased either one though.

  • Off_Cent_erOff_Cent_er Posts: 164 ✭✭✭✭
    Coin on the right (1912)

    I voted the 1912. The obverse just looks off to me with the weak details in the central areas. Too mushy.

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  • bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would pass on both. The 1912 date looks off to me. The 1908 has weakness on the reverse that I’m suspicious of.

  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,827 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin on the left (1908)

    Well, I wouldn't buy either without knowing a whole lot more about them. My answer is a WAG.

  • DelawareDoonsDelawareDoons Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Both

    if the 08 is real, it's whizzed. The '12 is definitely fake.

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  • baddogssbaddogss Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin on the right (1912)

    Wow, my WAG was correct, maybe I'm learning something after all. That was fun. Thanks.

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