This thread serves as a warning. It was a good lesson for everyone who participated. If you don't know the coins from a series stick to major TPG slabbed coins.
One tell on the 08 ...to me... Was that there is a little luster hidden around the date. The RH 12 just has that 'perfect' look that has been seen on a lot of bad Morgans. I think the way they might achieve this look is by using a rotary tumbler with only tissue paper wadded up as an abrasive. Ammo reloaders use this method sometimes to clean the outside of brass casings.
Cool idea for a thread. I'll guess the one on the right is fake. Maybe it's just the mushy strike that makes me think that. Pretty good counterfeit, whichever it is.
EDIT: Answered before I saw it was a poll with a "both" option. I might have chosen that!
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does anyone know how to see the entire voting group for one of the choices. i'm pretty sure i randomly chose 1912 but am not certain.
even after pulling up an authentic one, i could argue some good and bad points for both, based on my extremely limited experience with this type coin.
I don't believe there's a way to view an entire voting group. If you were just trying to find out how you voted, congrats, you just did!
@streeter said:
One tell on the 08 ...to me... Was that there is a little luster hidden around the date. The RH 12 just has that 'perfect' look that has been seen on a lot of bad Morgans. I think the way they might achieve this look is by using a rotary tumbler with only tissue paper wadded up as an abrasive. Ammo reloaders use this method sometimes to clean the outside of brass casings.
There is also a common die crack on the 1908 and the denticals on the 12 are wrong but this is correct.
The 1912 is fake. The biggest tell for me is the denticles. These were made on screw presses (except for the London issues), and the 1908 has the "twisted denticles" that are on genuine coins, most easily seen on the lower right reverse on the coin shown (upper left of the upside-down picture). The 1912 does not have these anywhere on the coin, and the denticles are quite weak on the reverse. There is also not enough sharp detail in Britannia's garb.
Edit: OK, late to the game and posted after the answer was revealed.
One cool note for those who don’t know; the mint mark is really well hidden inside the middle fork of the trident on the Obv. B for Bombay. Thanks for playing
Another thing about the '12 is that weird sheen to the surfaces that I call "Beijing mint frost," doesn't seem to cartwheel but has a frosty look to it. Thanks Messydesk for the comment about the twisted dentils; I saw those and vaguely remembered something about them on genuine examples but couldn't pin it down until you posted.
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Nice thread @Crypto , thanks
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This thread serves as a warning. It was a good lesson for everyone who participated. If you don't know the coins from a series stick to major TPG slabbed coins.
One tell on the 08 ...to me... Was that there is a little luster hidden around the date. The RH 12 just has that 'perfect' look that has been seen on a lot of bad Morgans. I think the way they might achieve this look is by using a rotary tumbler with only tissue paper wadded up as an abrasive. Ammo reloaders use this method sometimes to clean the outside of brass casings.
Cool idea for a thread. I'll guess the one on the right is fake. Maybe it's just the mushy strike that makes me think that. Pretty good counterfeit, whichever it is.
EDIT: Answered before I saw it was a poll with a "both" option. I might have chosen that!
@291fifth there is a recent thread with a fake PCGS slab. So I guess that wouldn't work either unless you can spot a fake slab.
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does anyone know how to see the entire voting group for one of the choices. i'm pretty sure i randomly chose 1912 but am not certain.
even after pulling up an authentic one, i could argue some good and bad points for both, based on my extremely limited experience with this type coin.
I don't believe there's a way to view an entire voting group. If you were just trying to find out how you voted, congrats, you just did!
Great thread indeed!
Very educational and a stark reminder as to just how beguiling some of these counterfeits can be.
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There is also a common die crack on the 1908 and the denticals on the 12 are wrong but this is correct.
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Both look fake to me. Rgds!
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The 1912 is fake. The biggest tell for me is the denticles. These were made on screw presses (except for the London issues), and the 1908 has the "twisted denticles" that are on genuine coins, most easily seen on the lower right reverse on the coin shown (upper left of the upside-down picture). The 1912 does not have these anywhere on the coin, and the denticles are quite weak on the reverse. There is also not enough sharp detail in Britannia's garb.
Edit: OK, late to the game and posted after the answer was revealed.
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One cool note for those who don’t know; the mint mark is really well hidden inside the middle fork of the trident on the Obv. B for Bombay. Thanks for playing
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I think the one on the left is real but I'm not certain about the denticles (beads) on the reverse. Big difference from the coin on right.
Another thing about the '12 is that weird sheen to the surfaces that I call "Beijing mint frost," doesn't seem to cartwheel but has a frosty look to it. Thanks Messydesk for the comment about the twisted dentils; I saw those and vaguely remembered something about them on genuine examples but couldn't pin it down until you posted.
Great thread @Crypto , interesting and educational.
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I've owned and seen enough of them that it was an easy exercise for me.
Thanks for the post.
I enjoyed following it.
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