@WQuarterFreddie said:
Update: So PayPal has initially denied my fradulent claim without ever contacting me to discuss my situation before making their decision:🙄
"An update about your case
We've completed our review of your unauthorized activity case, and we’ve determined there was no unauthorized use.
there's your mistake right there. you initiated the payment, so there was no unauthorized use.
this was a payment for goods and services. you should have waited for the bad tracking number to not work for a week or two then filed a claim for non-fulfillment.
@WQuarterFreddie said:
Update: So PayPal has initially denied my fradulent claim without ever contacting me to discuss my situation before making their decision:🙄
"An update about your case
We've completed our review of your unauthorized activity case, and we’ve determined there was no unauthorized use.
there's your mistake right there. you initiated the payment, so there was no unauthorized use.
this was a payment for goods and services. you should have waited for the bad tracking number to not work for a week or two then filed a claim for non-fulfillment.
I filed the claim with a full explanation of what happened hoping a human would look at it and call me to discuss the case. Obviously, I was wrong and I believe a computer made the decision and not a human.
I am hoping the appeal will get me to a live person. If not, I am hoping my bank will validate the dispute if PayPal doesn't make it right🤞
@WQuarterFreddie said:
Update: So PayPal has initially denied my fradulent claim without ever contacting me to discuss my situation before making their decision:🙄
"An update about your case
We've completed our review of your unauthorized activity case, and we’ve determined there was no unauthorized use.
there's your mistake right there. you initiated the payment, so there was no unauthorized use.
this was a payment for goods and services. you should have waited for the bad tracking number to not work for a week or two then filed a claim for non-fulfillment.
I filed the claim with a full explanation of what happened hoping a human would look at it and call me to discuss the case. Obviously, I was wrong and I believe a computer made the decision and not a human.
I am hoping the appeal will get me to a live person. If not, I am hoping my bank will validate the dispute if PayPal doesn't make it right🤞
Update from Moderator:
Thanks for reporting this.
The user has been banned.
I assume that the contact process at PayPal is heavily automated, and I have no idea what your options are/were, but the charge was not "unauthorized".
Hopefully they will present another way to claim fraud. Maybe the appeal will elevate it to an actual human.
Very discouraging, though. What are the added protections we pay for when we use PayPal? Maybe it takes a bit longer to get to the fraud stage.
@JBK said:
I assume that the contact process at PayPal is heavily automated, and I have no idea what your options are/were, but the charge was not "unauthorized".
Hopefully they will present another way to claim fraud. Maybe the appeal will elevate it to an actual human.
Very discouraging, though. What are the added protections we pay for when we use PayPal? Maybe it takes a bit longer to get to the fraud stage.
Exactly! I agree and thank you for your support. I knew it wasn't unauthorized use but it was the only option I could choose at the time to notify PayPal.
You would think PayPal would want to know immediately instead of making me wait 20 days to prove I never received the coins.
Also, this is why I am being transparent and posting updates so other members can learn from my mistake. Hopefully I will get my money back but if not I will not dwell on it. Just learn from it and move on.😎
@WQuarterFreddie said:
Update: So PayPal has initially denied my fradulent claim without ever contacting me to discuss my situation before making their decision:🙄
"An update about your case
We've completed our review of your unauthorized activity case, and we’ve determined there was no unauthorized use.
Based on our review, we found this transaction is consistent with your PayPal payment history."
I have filed an appeal and am waiting for a response from PayPal.
Also, I have now filed a dispute with my bank since PayPal denied my claim.
Also, my buddy Teddy sent me this email:
Good morning,
I got notifications from paypal which says you said you aint aware of the money you
Please let me know what’s going on
Anyways I already issue a refund back to your account
Unfortunately, he lied. The money has not been refunded as of now and he has not sent me a tracking number. I have not and will not respond to his email.
As you can see his email is grammatically incorrect which is a huge red flag that this guy is a scammer. Still licking my wounds over my mistake😫
I will provide updates accordingly. For now, Teddy is winning😤
If the email he sent you above matches the email address associated with the Paypal account you sent the money to, show this to Paypal. In it he states he already sent you a refund.
Nope. The email for the PayPal account is different too. I missed so many warnings! I was in a hurry and really didn't notice any of it until I saw others posting about him.
Hindsight truly is 20/20 because there were so many warning signs and I missed them all until I looked back at everything 😩
That being said I do plan to mention his email that he claims to have refunded my payment. Hopefully PayPal will accept it as documentation. 🤞
I posted in BST awhile back looking for specific semi-numismatic bullion from 2007. A month ago I discovered the exact same post copy and pasted from a different account. There are numerous scams going on with these message boards; I am surprised at how vulnerable members make themselves without knowing it.
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I just got the following PM in response to one of my World coin BST wantlist items.
New user, registered August 24. I note the similar language and same last name as one of the earlier scam attempts posted above.
Glad I had already read this thread. The old "hey, this third party has one" solicitation triggered my spidey-sense, though I've certainly got this thread to thank for that, as it might not have raised a red flag with me previously.
I just replied "thanks" to the PM, but obviously have no intention of emailing Anderson Owens or whoever that is.
I shall now flag this very post of mine so the mods will see it.
Just tell the scammer to send you the coin prior to paying for it and never deal with a non-forum member third party stranger. It's always dangerous buying from someone who is not a member of "The Circle of Trust."
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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@lordmarcovan said:
I just got the following PM in response to one of my World coin BST wantlist items.
New user, registered August 24. I note the similar language and same last name as one of the earlier scam attempts posted above.
Glad I had already read this thread. The old "hey, this third party has one" solicitation triggered my spidey-sense, though I've certainly got this thread to thank for that, as it might not have raised a red flag with me previously.
I just replied "thanks" to the PM, but obviously have no intention of emailing Anderson Owens or whoever that is.
I shall now flag this very post of mine so the mods will see it.
I got the exact same message this morning from JM33 to email Anderson.
The fraudster is back.
Beware guys!
Yorkshireman,Obsessed collector of round, metallic pieces of history.Hunting for Latin American colonial portraits plus cool US & British coins.
@lordmarcovan said:
I just got the following PM in response to one of my World coin BST wantlist items.
New user, registered August 24. I note the similar language and same last name as one of the earlier scam attempts posted above.
Glad I had already read this thread. The old "hey, this third party has one" solicitation triggered my spidey-sense, though I've certainly got this thread to thank for that, as it might not have raised a red flag with me previously.
I just replied "thanks" to the PM, but obviously have no intention of emailing Anderson Owens or whoever that is.
I shall now flag this very post of mine so the mods will see it.
I got the exact same message this morning from JM33 to email Anderson.
The fraudster is back.
Beware guys!
Someone should e-mail Anderson and ask for pics. If he follows through with pics, tell him you'll send him a check and that he should stand by his mail box waiting for it.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
@lordmarcovan said:
I just got the following PM in response to one of my World coin BST wantlist items.
New user, registered August 24. I note the similar language and same last name as one of the earlier scam attempts posted above.
Glad I had already read this thread. The old "hey, this third party has one" solicitation triggered my spidey-sense, though I've certainly got this thread to thank for that, as it might not have raised a red flag with me previously.
I just replied "thanks" to the PM, but obviously have no intention of emailing Anderson Owens or whoever that is.
I shall now flag this very post of mine so the mods will see it.
I got the exact same message this morning from JM33 to email Anderson.
The fraudster is back.
Beware guys!
Someone should e-mail Anderson and ask for pics. If he follows through with pics, tell him you'll send him a check and that he should stand by his mail box waiting for it.
I already did ask for photos of some coins.
Stay tuned…
We’ll see what happens
Yorkshireman,Obsessed collector of round, metallic pieces of history.Hunting for Latin American colonial portraits plus cool US & British coins.
I got one too. Funny thing is it was in response to a BST post in the foreign coin BST from many years ago in my old original MrSpud account from a decade ago that I can’t even access.
I got scammed by the same person teddy. Good thing I pay with PayPal. It wasted my time but I got my money back. Don’t pay cash unless you know person otherwise also use card to pay.
From my experience, PayPal is great to pay, but with a credit card. That way you can make a claim, if needed, through either PayPal or your credit card.
PayPal claims take a long time, while you prove your case.
Claims through credit cards almost always immediately go in the cardholder’s favor.
Simply call the number in your card. A person will assume your explanation is accurate, and money is refunded usually right away.
The credit card company will then investigate to confirm.
PayPal will subsequently send a notice saying they noticed you handled a claim through your credit card, and close out the transaction.
lots of time scam can be avoided if you pay more attention to the details. Same as buying on eBay. Paying attention to the details can avoid buying counterfeit items. I just bought a counterfeit medal. When I look back I should have known better. Well, another claim with eBay that will take another 20 days to get my money back. It just waste time. One more thing I want to add, don't just rely on 100% feedback to buy. Some 100% feedback sellers on eBay do sell counterfeit coins
He does send pics - he sent me pics lifted straight from a then-current Ebay listing. It was a relatively hard to find coin with only one EBay listing and therefore easy to tell.
@Mgarmy said: @lord- did you post this in the BST as well?
No, but when I went to do that just now, I see that others have blown the bugle.
This incarnation of the snake is probably about to get mod-slain, but it's important for everyone to recognize the style and MO here, for when the scammer comes back under yet another new identity.
I loved the picture he sent me - lifted straight from one of my threads!
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It would be funny if someone put a "WTB 1815 Large Cent Any Grade" post on the BST to see if Anderson Owens has one for sale.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Just signed up Anderson Owens to receive emails from NAMBLA.
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well scammers chose their targets and what better place to pull a scam then a coin site, many possible targets to chose from and maybe if they keep going someone will bite
Well I wish I had seen this early I hang my head in shame for falling for it. On 8/1/21, He told me he had the Johnson Rev PR I was looking for. Sent me a picture of the one he claimed he had. It started smelling bad about half way through but the money had already been sent.
@RayB said:
Well I wish I had seen this early I hang my head in shame for falling for it. On 8/1/21, He told me he had the Johnson Rev PR I was looking for. Sent me a picture of the one he claimed he had. It started smelling bad about half way through but the money had already been sent.
How did you pay? If it's PayPal, call them immediately. If by check, call your bank and tell them to stop payment.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
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there's your mistake right there. you initiated the payment, so there was no unauthorized use.
this was a payment for goods and services. you should have waited for the bad tracking number to not work for a week or two then filed a claim for non-fulfillment.
This person needs to be banned.
I filed the claim with a full explanation of what happened hoping a human would look at it and call me to discuss the case. Obviously, I was wrong and I believe a computer made the decision and not a human.
I am hoping the appeal will get me to a live person. If not, I am hoping my bank will validate the dispute if PayPal doesn't make it right🤞
Update from Moderator:
Thanks for reporting this.
The user has been banned.
At least that got done!😎
I assume that the contact process at PayPal is heavily automated, and I have no idea what your options are/were, but the charge was not "unauthorized".
Hopefully they will present another way to claim fraud. Maybe the appeal will elevate it to an actual human.
Very discouraging, though. What are the added protections we pay for when we use PayPal? Maybe it takes a bit longer to get to the fraud stage.
Call them,,,, unlike eBay a person will answer the phone,
402-935-2050
888-221-1161
Exactly! I agree and thank you for your support. I knew it wasn't unauthorized use but it was the only option I could choose at the time to notify PayPal.
You would think PayPal would want to know immediately instead of making me wait 20 days to prove I never received the coins.
Also, this is why I am being transparent and posting updates so other members can learn from my mistake. Hopefully I will get my money back but if not I will not dwell on it. Just learn from it and move on.😎
Thank you! I will try that and post my results.
Yes, call Paypal. You will be made whole if you paid goods and services.
If the email he sent you above matches the email address associated with the Paypal account you sent the money to, show this to Paypal. In it he states he already sent you a refund.
Nope. The email for the PayPal account is different too. I missed so many warnings! I was in a hurry and really didn't notice any of it until I saw others posting about him.
Hindsight truly is 20/20 because there were so many warning signs and I missed them all until I looked back at everything 😩
That being said I do plan to mention his email that he claims to have refunded my payment. Hopefully PayPal will accept it as documentation. 🤞
I posted in BST awhile back looking for specific semi-numismatic bullion from 2007. A month ago I discovered the exact same post copy and pasted from a different account. There are numerous scams going on with these message boards; I am surprised at how vulnerable members make themselves without knowing it.
Update: Big shout out to GRANDAM!🥇🏆🥳🥳🥳🥳
I will share the details soon. Just in case Teddy is monitoring this forum.🤫
Nice Freddie…congrats man
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Thank you! Many thanks to the members who offered their help and kind words. I will post what PayPal told me soon😉
I've been following this closely. I'm so glad this seems to be working out for you finally, that must be a big relief!
It is a big relief! Thank you! Will celebrate after I get this resolved 😂🤣
Wayne
Kennedys are my quest...
WOW, I'm very glad I read all of this because I'm new. I really never thought about that. Thank you all, really!
I just got the following PM in response to one of my World coin BST wantlist items.
New user, registered August 24. I note the similar language and same last name as one of the earlier scam attempts posted above.
Glad I had already read this thread. The old "hey, this third party has one" solicitation triggered my spidey-sense, though I've certainly got this thread to thank for that, as it might not have raised a red flag with me previously.
I just replied "thanks" to the PM, but obviously have no intention of emailing Anderson Owens or whoever that is.
I shall now flag this very post of mine so the mods will see it.
@lordmarcovan UGH he is back.
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Just tell the scammer to send you the coin prior to paying for it and never deal with a non-forum member third party stranger. It's always dangerous buying from someone who is not a member of "The Circle of Trust."
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
@lord- did you post this in the BST as well?
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Would somebody tell the grifters I just fell off the truck and need some help? I've fallen and I can't get up.
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein
I got the exact same message this morning from JM33 to email Anderson.
The fraudster is back.
Beware guys!
Someone should e-mail Anderson and ask for pics. If he follows through with pics, tell him you'll send him a check and that he should stand by his mail box waiting for it.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I already did ask for photos of some coins.
Stay tuned…
We’ll see what happens
I got a message today from a scammer. JM33... Telling me to email an address about a coin I am interested in. Very sketchy.
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I got one too. Funny thing is it was in response to a BST post in the foreign coin BST from many years ago in my old original MrSpud account from a decade ago that I can’t even access.
Any, here’s a screen shot in case it helps
Mr_Spud
I got scammed by the same person teddy. Good thing I pay with PayPal. It wasted my time but I got my money back. Don’t pay cash unless you know person otherwise also use card to pay.
From my experience, PayPal is great to pay, but with a credit card. That way you can make a claim, if needed, through either PayPal or your credit card.
PayPal claims take a long time, while you prove your case.
Claims through credit cards almost always immediately go in the cardholder’s favor.
Simply call the number in your card. A person will assume your explanation is accurate, and money is refunded usually right away.
The credit card company will then investigate to confirm.
PayPal will subsequently send a notice saying they noticed you handled a claim through your credit card, and close out the transaction.
lots of time scam can be avoided if you pay more attention to the details. Same as buying on eBay. Paying attention to the details can avoid buying counterfeit items. I just bought a counterfeit medal. When I look back I should have known better. Well, another claim with eBay that will take another 20 days to get my money back. It just waste time. One more thing I want to add, don't just rely on 100% feedback to buy. Some 100% feedback sellers on eBay do sell counterfeit coins
He does send pics - he sent me pics lifted straight from a then-current Ebay listing. It was a relatively hard to find coin with only one EBay listing and therefore easy to tell.
No, but when I went to do that just now, I see that others have blown the bugle.
This incarnation of the snake is probably about to get mod-slain, but it's important for everyone to recognize the style and MO here, for when the scammer comes back under yet another new identity.
I loved the picture he sent me - lifted straight from one of my threads!
Scammer sent me this yesterday.
He’s using some kind of bot to auto post in response to key words on the BST maybe?
Mr_Spud
I’m thinking spam bot, too
I got a couple messages from JM33 telling me to reach out to andersonowens01@gmail.com for the items I'm looking for. This should be interesting...
I received the same email from JM33. Thanks to all for the heads up.
It would be funny if someone put a "WTB 1815 Large Cent Any Grade" post on the BST to see if Anderson Owens has one for sale.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Just signed up Anderson Owens to receive emails from NAMBLA.
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Anderson Owens...
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I have a few of those struck by Dan Carr, so…
well scammers chose their targets and what better place to pull a scam then a coin site, many possible targets to chose from and maybe if they keep going someone will bite
coin and banknote dealer since 2003
I'm not sure I'd want my email address out there like that. Somebody could sign you up for a bucketload of spam.
I'm sure the spammer set the email account up himself to facilitate his anonymous scam.
Repetition of ignorance is ignorance raised to the power two.
he try to scam me too, fortunely i came here to check the name and just appear
Well I wish I had seen this early
I hang my head in shame for falling for it. On 8/1/21, He told me he had the Johnson Rev PR I was looking for. Sent me a picture of the one he claimed he had. It started smelling bad about half way through but the money had already been sent.
How did you pay? If it's PayPal, call them immediately. If by check, call your bank and tell them to stop payment.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire